Hunger

Subject: BS: Your $ realities in this new age
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 10:33 AM

Are you fired, layed off, shut down? How will you pay rent and live now or in 90 days?


As our Senate still obstructs the House Bill to fund people with a subsistence livable wage while in isolation, a tax cut or the Federal weekly half billion dollars to prop up a failed market will not help.

Before riots begin you have to impress upon your government of your immediate needs immediatly. Ignore the silent least of us at your own real peril.

For many this will be the last time to petition your representative.

or: are you snug as a bug in your rug?

Subject: RE: BS: Your $ realities in this new age
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 10:47 AM

Be coy if you like but bigger issues are afoot.
I'm doin OK despite being snubbed like a bug in a high traffic rug.

Subject: RE: BS: Your $ realities in this new age
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 10:53 AM

This is about those who need the help Most get it First

All $queamishness aside.

Subject: RE: BS: Your $ realities in this new age
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 11:16 AM

All restaurants need to be funded so our truck drivers, cabbies and pilots to eat and sustain supply chains. Restaurants are a simulus for suppliers and will help the comy mor than bailing out cruise ships
$ = food.


ADMIN Please change Title to 'Hunger' *    people are wierd about money.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: meself
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 11:46 AM

Well, if there were ever an argument for a guaranteed annual income - not to mention universal healthcare - this is it.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Charmion
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 12:16 PM

In Ontario, the fast-food joints are still grappling with the notion of letting truck-drivers walk up to their drive-through windows.

Our federal and provincial governments swallowed the then-bitter pill of socialized medicine fifty years ago. I'm interested to see how this epidemic will affect the policies of Doug Ford, our Trump Mini-Me premier, whose first act upon taking power was to cancel a guaranteed income pilot project.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: meself
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 02:33 PM

Why do I have the feeling that if we ever get a guaranteed annual income, it will be preceded by a hundred years of "pilot projects"? There was a rather successful one, to my understanding, in Dauphin, Manitoba, about fifty years ago, IIRC.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 05:02 PM

meself, FDR made the CCC and it WORkED.

Here is a tidbit of a covid treatment that works;
Blood from survivors of the covid infection when spun down to plasma and injected into a new infection patient seems to help.
It is not known if we can scale for many to get this tretment but at least it exists.

For those of us who know Tony Fauci professionally/personally, he is a world class ass hole who yells and screams at subordinates. It is like poetic justice to see him have to deal with Trump tantrums on camera.

Now a finding from Italy: men over 60 are twice as likely to become infected than women. The reason is unknown but may be cultural.
Nothing else works that way.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 05:04 PM

I'll release inside info here instead of the 1000 post -pandmic thread

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 20 - 07:13 PM

Covid can occur in an aerosol at a 5 micron level capable of being caught by a mask.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: leeneia
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 10:21 AM

I have a friend who lives in an assisted living high rise. She just told me that they no longer have maid service or cleaners. So that's another group of working people suddenly without any income.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Iains
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 10:37 AM

Superb timing!
The Hungry Gap is the in-between-seasons period after winter vegetables but before the availability of early spring crops - normally April to June

Subject: RE: * Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 10:40 AM

The justice dept.(Trump's attorney general Barr) has been in meetings with Supream Court Justices to allow for arrests and detentions to be conducted without trials.
I do not yet know how this differs from current federal quarantine law.

The Republican Senate has been arguing sine 11 days agi that bailouts only go to corporations while Democrats (Chuck Schumer) is wanting the people to have paychecks. Treasury secretary Mnuchin only wants small business to be elible for loans.

In the last crises the middle class bailed out corporations.
How about the poor and middle class getting a bailout this time?

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 10:51 AM

There are to be no evictions or foreclosures for 6 months.

Landlords will only be paid if paycheckes are federally paid for now.
This will help the economy than bailing out big oil and cruise ships.

It will cost 2 trillion which is the same amount that failed to turn the stock market around this month.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 02:39 PM

There are 15 million restaurant workers mostly out of work.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 05:51 PM

What will 4 Trillion dollars buy?

Enough for everyone to live on for 2 years.
26 people to go to Mars
Enough for big corps to give their CEO and shareholders a profit
Or give a token check to workers and give the rich trickle down cash.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: mg
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 06:17 PM

cruise ships could be sanitized and used for housing for low-risk people, with frequent checks, rules about congregating, parties, drinking etc. they could offset a lot of their losses and would have no fuel expenses.

I see many many good things that will come out of this eventually...don't know how long it will take and there will of course be horrible stories. But we will move toward free energy for one thing, which means we can transport water, which means many colonies could be set up in low-water places. We will supplement agrofarming with many many more farm colonies, where people who do not do well under capitalism will grow food for themselves in former food deserts, and pass on surplus. There will be more people working at home, working fewer hours, moving out of big cities to dying communities...

some of the crazy tax laws will have big enterprises paying a reasonable amount of taxes...people will stock more provisions for longer periods of time, easing up on future toilet paper rushes etc..which they will bypass anyway by buying portable bidets.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 07:11 PM

Alternatively, and far more likely, in a few months' time it'll be as you were.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 07:23 PM

Golf courses are better for low cost housing than ships. Ask Carter.

The President says "we want to help the worker but if the business owners go broke in the meantime thats just being pennywise and dollar foolish."

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: mg
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 08:28 PM

ships already have plumbing and rooms and kitchens. And they will probably be sitting idle for quite some time.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 04:39 AM

I, and far more likely, in a few months' time it'll be as you were.
I wish I shared your optimism.Unlike Sars, swine flu,bird flu and Marberg, this present pandemic is far from being under control. The measures requested of the public are being ignored, social distancing is largely a joke. Actions have consequences. Italy today - how many countries overwhelmed by mid april? As yet testing in the wider community is practically non existant. Without knowing rates of infection in the general population projections are "uncertain" to say the least. The economic decisions coming into place and the general tone of responses worldwide suggest this pandemic will be a world changing event and will not be over in a couple of months. The other side will be a changed landscape. Back in Mar 9, 2020 - "The director general of the WHO has recently spoken of a narrowing of the window of opportunity to control the current epidemic"
Looking at photographs of crowds sunning themselves yesterday in the uk. it appears a flippant attitude is being taken to socialdistancing and self isolation, not helped by the refusal of the labour leader to heed the advice of the Government and their medical advisors. If those photos in todays papers are representative of the country at large the pandemic will spiral totally out of control. The behaviour of the leader of the opposition will lead others to emulate him and spread infection far and wide. That is a given.

Mackinsey report:
Exponential case-count growth is hard to internalize unless you have experienced it before. Managers who haven’t experienced this or been through a “tabletop” simulation are finding it difficult to respond correctly. In particular, escalation mechanisms may be understood in theory, but companies are finding them hard to execute in reality, as the facts on the ground don’t always conform to what it says in the manual. Crisis case studies are replete with examples of managers who chose not to escalate, creating worse issues for their institutions.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that the virus’s reproduction number (the number of additional cases that likely result from an initial case) is between 1.6 and 2.4, making COVID-19 significantly more transmissible than seasonal flu (whose reproduction number is estimated at 1.2 to 1.4)

A view!
www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/risk/our-insights/covid-19-implications-for-business

Until the daily count of numbers tested positive drops the effectiveness of control measure is unknown.The inherant time lag between the two does nothing to help either

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 06:37 AM

The reasson why people in the states are having to piece together info for themselves is because the Trump administration ordered federal health authorities to treat high-level discussions on the coronavirus as classified material.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 07:54 AM

If you need proof; https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-clas

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 10:09 AM

State Role-
Expand existing hospital capacity
Stay at home Emergency Order
Testing away from hospitals

Two different Facts -
Young people can get it and transfer it.
18-49 year olds represent 53% of total cases - Older people with underlying illnesses can die from it.


OPINION:

think ahead
Don't be reactive
Economic issues will occur
Anticipate emotional hardships
Avoid emotional isolation
40%-80% will get this within 9 months.
It will be hard but it will be OK - this is not armaggedon.
Challenges can make you great.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 10:25 AM

GOOD NEWS Your target should be September to have an effective antibody treatment shot - It is not a vaccine.
source Bio CEO Dr. Glanville

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 11:33 AM

Donuel your link does not work. However the one below   does and updates daily

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
It gives a more detailed breakdown including the US. The last column gives a count of positives per million of population. This is the only direct comparison between countrie, despite a disparity of data quality. TO gauge government actions it is a far better metric ro go by.
e.g Ireland has a figure of 183
The uk 84
Italy 978
Spain 708
Switzerland 988

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Charmion
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 01:15 PM

Tune in to the https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-cov.

The information is for and about Canadians, but it is at least honest.

You may also wish to check out https://www.cbc.ca/news/coronavirus-guide-explainer-1.5497009.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Charmion
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 01:16 PM

Hey! Those links worked a minute ago! WTF???

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 03:03 PM

A bill was promised last week but while virtually all of us are sitting at home with no paycheck coming the Senate is still obstructing and the vote is tied 25 25 but new rules make 60 votes the winning vote. So workers are out of luck. Who thinks half of all Republicans will change their vote.

In this 2 trillion dollar bill, down from 4 trilion which is a concession by democrats. The impasse now is a 500 billion dollar slush fund that republicans want free and clear from any rules.

Another vote was supposed to be at 3 but there is no sign for it.
To be fair the democrats want this opportunity to roll back many of the republican sins/cuts.

In this gun fight showdown there is alot of blinking and twitching but no one has pulled the trigger.

The infection rate doubles everyday while Congress dithers.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 03:46 PM

You heard from your PM that Canada officially shuts down tommorrow night.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 07:34 AM

Desperation for a deal in Congress to save workers is down to life or death today. (2 weeks late and counting)

Bluster, lie , shill , obstruct, $ grab , name calling have all become weapons of death.

Mitch McConnel has become one of the historic villains of all time.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 10:47 AM

Over here the foodbanks have closed down, so those facing delayed welfare payments, are appealing assessment decision, or are facing sanctions have lost another safety net to be able to feed their families.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 10:49 AM

That is dreadful.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:11 AM

POLITICAL PARTISANSHIP has penetrated nearly every facet of American life. Today it influences not only Americans’ decisions at the ballot box, but also their views on race, immigration, the environment and helping the poor. Even scientific beliefs now fall along partisan lines. As Americans face the threat of a pandemic of covid-19, will their political beliefs affect how they respond.

Twice as many Democrats are worried and take measures to avoid infection than conservatives. This is in part to the deliberate fake news campaign of the right staring with FOX news which has labeled pandemic a hoax fom the beggining.

Will the death totals reflect this polarity? I do not know.
America’s conservatives see things differently.

U.S. workers are every bit as exposed to the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic side effects as their peers across the pond. Unlike their British counterparts, however, American laborers aren’t guaranteed affordable health care if they lose their jobs, nor any amount of paid sick leave should they take ill. And yet, despite our workers’ unique vulnerability to the harms of illness and unemployment, congressional Republicans are not only unwilling to support universal paid leave or make an open-ended commitment to covering 80 percent of workers’ salaries but are also fighting to protect the right of bailed-out corporations to fire as many workers as they see fit.

On Sunday, the Senate failed to reach an agreement on an already belated economic relief package, a development that’s left small-business owners and laid-off workers reeling and financial markets tumbling. The mainstream press has attributed the Senate’s inaction to “Washington infighting,” or else to Democratic intransigence. But Chuck Schumer’s caucus didn’t vote down the Republican bill over some minor detail, or because it insisted on dictating the left’s preference on an issue that genuinely divides blue and red America. Rather, the key sticking point is that the GOP bill would empower the Trump administration to dole out $500 billion in bailout money to corporations of its own choosing — without forbidding bailed-out firms from laying off their workers. This arrangement would not only allow the hotelier-in-chief to plow public money into his companies and those of his cronies but also enable those firms to spend our government’s dollars on maintaining outsize executive compensation instead of retaining employees.

Senate Democrats have other conditions they would like to attach to the corporate bailouts, and some quibbles with other sections of the existing bill. But the GOP’s insistence on subsidizing corporations that fire workers in the middle of a pandemic appears to be the Democrats’ paramount concern.


THE POSITIONING BEGINS — here are some problems with the bill, as flagged by a democrat.


7,061 people are talking about this
Critically, the Republican Party’s opposition to requiring bailed-out firms to retain at least 90 percent of their workers does not reflect the uniquely pro-management bent of public opinion in the U.S. The disparity between the Tory and GOP stances has approximately nothing to do with any ideological divergence between their mass constituencies.

Data for Progress, a progressive think tank, released a poll Monday gauging public support for Elizabeth Warren’s list of conditions for corporate bailouts. Many of the senator’s stipulations attracted mere plurality or only narrow majority support. But when asked whether companies that accept government aid should be required to maintain their payrolls, 74 percent of respondents said yes. The requirement was nearly as popular with GOP voters as it was among Democratic ones, with 70 percent of self-identified Republicans approving.


Senate Republicans have also insisted on (1) limiting an increase in unemployment benefits to three months, (2) making the bill’s cash-assistance provision a onetime payment instead of a subsidy guaranteed to recur for the duration of the crisis, and (3) capping relief funds for small business at a fraction of the level recommended by conservative economists like Glenn Hubbard and Michael Strain.

What makes Mitch McConnell’s principled stance in favor of subsidizing corporate layoffs and penny-pinching on aid to workers and small businesses most remarkable is that it runs directly counter to his party’s political interests. Donald Trump’s reelection is quite likely to hinge on whether economic growth resumes by midsummer. The bulk of the Democratic demands that McConnell is rejecting — more expansive aid to workers, consumers, state governments, and small businesses (that agree to retain their staff) — would increase the probability of a “V-shaped recovery,” and thus, of Trump renewing his lease on the White House.

Therefore, the gulf between the GOP’s response to the crisis and that of Britain’s Tories is not a product of public opinion or crass electoral concerns. Rather, it reflects the fact that the Republicans are not a normal conservative party, but a uniquely reactionary political formation. No other major party in the Western world rejects the concept of universal health care or disputes the reality of man-made climate change. The GOP is more adamantly opposed to the downward redistribution of resources, or any measure that tips the balance of power between workers and bosses in the former’s direction, than any center-right party in the developed world.

Republicans’ uniquely virulent strain of conservatism is undermining not only their response to COVID-19’s economic consequences but also to the public-health crisis itself. Even as U.S. hospitals and health-care workers are suffering from a shortage of masks and ventilators, President Trump has refused to invoke his authority under the Defense Production Act to force the mass production of those critical materials. Instead of conscripting domestic manufacturers into the figurative war on the coronavirus, the White House has attempted to arrange a voluntary consortium of firms interested in aiding with mask and ventilator production. According to the New York Times, this decision came at the behest of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Trump defended his approach Sunday on the grounds that “we’re a country not based on nationalizing our business.” Of course, invoking the DPA to temporarily commandeer a firm’s productive capacity is not tantamount to the nationalization of industry. Meanwhile, the voluntarist approach mandated by the GOP’s devotion to corporate prerogatives is not delivering the goods and it is not clear that any of it will arrive in time for the cities and the states that are hit the hardest, including New York.

The president’s laissez-faire approach to redressing potentially lethal shortages of critical medical equipment would be alarming enough in isolation. But it is especially disconcerting when combined with Trump’s recent signals that he intends to relax his administration’s social-distancing advisories in the near-term future. If the president is going to encourage businesses to reopen and public life to resume in a manner of days, the least he could do is use every authority at his disposal to expand treatment capacity at America’s hospitals.

But the ideological hang-ups (and/or fiduciary duties) of the American conservative movement won’t let him.

For this reason, the wealthiest nation in human history appears to be on the cusp of allowing mass business failures and layoffs — and then attempting to redress those preventable economic harms by prematurely suspending social-distancing measures, thereby condemning many of its people to death by suffocation in hospital hallways.

This outcome can still be averted. Senate Republicans have evinced some capacity for subordinating their ideological convictions to political and economic necessity. And Democrats certainly have their own responsibility not to let the perfect be the enemy of the “good enough for now.” Given the urgent necessity of getting cash in the hands of beleaguered workers and businesses, if the GOP is willing to table the debate over corporate bailouts — and immediately pass a bill dispensing cash assistance to households and aid to small businesses (that commit to retaining workers) — Democrats should play ball.

But McConnell is not offering such a deal. And so long as that’s the case, mainstream news outlets must not attribute the relief package’s delay to small-minded partisanship or Democratic intransigence, but rather to the Republican Party’s singular commitment to the prerogatives of plutocrats that this time has a cost of an extra 1 million dead.

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From The Economist, a subscription journal. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/03/11/in-america-even-pandemics-are-political

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 07:34 PM

The compromise was to give big corporations 500 Billion dollars and limit unemployment insurance. Doctors believe 2 trillion is too little to adequately fund the viral war.

There are big vandals and little vandals during these times.
For a glorius few there is the expansion of their moral imagination.
Even if they ask where the homeless will shelter in place or go so far as volunteer real help with food and shelter.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 07:45 PM

If you're going to copy and paste huge tracts of stuff, (a) tell us where you got it, or (b) save us from wading through a ton of text which contains no highlights or comments from you via a link.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: mg
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 08:42 PM

i am hoping and wondering as they start to have people return to work if they could test before allowing them back, and then insist on distancing, masks etc. keep elders quarantined, as they are the most likely to use scarce ventilators etc. (I think). Keep social groups from gathering for quite some time. release safe prisoners with places to support them early. give the rest soap at the very least, plus masks for all and probably lockdown I presume. they are not short of labor in prisons...should probably have prisoners do some serious disinfecting. (one at a time or in teams spread far apart).

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 12:34 AM

I posted the link, Steve. He did you a favor, you hit the paywall about a paragraph in but the graphs are interesting at the top.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: mg
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 02:23 AM

please everyone wear masks. all the time. make your own. you won't be taking them away from nurses. make extra and give them to bus drivers. hang them on a mask tree like they do elsewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoDwXwZXsDI&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoDwXwZXsDI&feature=youtu.be

make fun.. i don't give a rat's pituie.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 07:07 AM

I don't regard someone who posts a huge amount of copy and paste without either attribution or comment (or pruning or highlighting for that matter) as having done me a favour, Maggie. I've always regarded that as being against the spirit of discussion.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 08:55 AM

The House may vote on the Senate pandemic bill today and then it is up to Trump to sign it. Checks will arrive as soon as 3 1/2 weeks and as late as 4 months.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 09:22 AM

I should mention it was a unaminous Senate vote 96 - 0, possibly because Rand Paul is in quarantine with the infection.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: gillymor
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 09:53 AM

Steve's got a good point, you could wind up wasting your time with something off a bogus site like Breitbart or Guido Fawkes.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 02:03 PM

I am struck by the irony that the food that will keep red and blue America alive, including the Donald, will be harvestd by immigrants be they documented or not.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 05:55 AM

Still no final vote by the House and a quick verbal yea or nay voice vote has been blocked by a single republican from Kentucky.
With many members who have left town, an in person vote is delayed for days more.

Meanwhile Trump is busy rewriting history claiming incredible progess on everything doctors claim is totally absent.

It is not credible on any level.

Everything is 'going' to happen and the President has done incredible things is the subject of daily briefings. Even the celebratiom of the the unaminous corona bill is phony because it is not evn approved by the House or signed by the Prez

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 06:55 AM

A polarized pandemic in the US separates people with a realistic view from people who believe Trump and Q-Anon. This is bad news for all mitigtion efforts. With no uniform testing we can assume 1 million infections in the US. In 4 weeks that will be 100 million.

This ship of fools know the boat is leaking and the captain has lied.
When doctors and nurses take a break they cried.
They too are under a gag rule to obey or lose their deadly job.
The disese discussions are classified and cliffside were in a fog.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 01:38 PM

The Kentucy senator, who looks like a baby McConnel, was over ruled and the vote passed, finally.

It wouldn't hurt to ration while we wait some more.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 03:46 PM

Be it ever so humble there is no place better to stay at home

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 02:55 PM

The NRA is hungry to sell more guns.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/us/nra-sues-california-over-gun-store-closures/index.html

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 06:46 PM

Trump says he wants to send the Army to quarantine NYC yet he has failed to declare a national stay at home policy. He is talking out of his ass.

We will all know someone who is lost to the pandemic no matter what tint of rose colored glasses we choose to wear. There ae no words.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 11:22 AM

Fox news is starting to admit the reality of Covid 19. Fox anchors who proclaimed the pandemic as a hoax have disappeared possibly for fear of legal action.
Local monopoly Sinclair TV&radio media is constantly praising Trump supreme efforts in combating the virus.
My guess is that half of America is still on the fence regarding the pandemic realities.

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 11:49 AM

The Commander & Chief said he wants to see Churchs packed this Easter Sunday is likely to happen. Because of thier Pro Life president, white christian evavgelists are all in for their leader who now dangles death in front of govenors who are democrats and deny respirators.

Pastors lick the floor to prove the virus is fake. Church leaders are saying Covid 19 is from Gay people. The magical thinking of churchs is about denying climate change, science and evolution.

The utter moral bankrupcy of the evanglists to follow Trump instead of reasoned thinking is so monsterous they will not even protest guns that shoot up their own church. They will possibly win the Darwin award this year and suffer more deaths than their opponents who think .

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 06:14 AM

The sickest are always greener
In somebody else's State
You dream about going 'up' there
But that is a big mistake
Just look at the world around you
Right here at blue heaven's gate
Such wonderful things surround you
What is your ultimate fate?
In Quarantine
In Quarantine
Darling it's hotter
Down with a fever
Take it from me

Up in Montana they work all day
Out in the sun they slave away
The Navy's devotin'
Hospital boatin'
Docked in the bay
Out there all the fish is happy
As off through the waves they roll
The fish on the land ain't happy
They sad 'cause they got a cold
But folks on the land are lucky
Those on a cruise have a worser fate
One day when everyones sickly
eatin off the same ol' plates
In quarantine
In quarantine
Nobody beat us
We jus breathed dust
Stuff we can't see

Its the old folks who are on the hook
Lots of food for the young to cook
They got no troubles
Life is all bubbles
In quarantine out on the beach
In quarantine
Since life is sweet here
We got the beat here
Naturally (Naturally)

Even the doctor and the nurse
They get the surge an ride the hearse
We got the spirit
You got to hear it
Right here on line
Yeah, In quarantine
In Quarantine
playin the B ball
life is in free fall.
In Quarantine


(Under the sea)

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 06:47 AM

Viral loads?:
I have been wondering why the disparity in national death rates by a factor of 10.
It could be government propoganda or a real indication of how and how much virus is transmitted.
My question is what makes a mild case even in the elderly ?
A small viral load? genetics? lung health? ph values in tisues?

Conversly a fatal result is primarily due to other conditions?
Since people in their 30's die rapidly from viral pnumonia perhaps large viral loads are at play and not age alone.

Germany and China have the lowest death rates while Italy and US have the highest. Perhaps the number of cases is most flawed or the virus has a component like venom, the more - the worse. ??

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 07:08 AM

With a fast test to find if a person has Covis 19 antibodies, the immunity treatment has received a boost.
Germany is in the forefront of this research.
The timeline of an available treatment is still 1 year away since we don't know if this novel virus will behave like other corona virus.

Its a race to see if a treatment or a vaccine will come in first.

Subject: RE: Edit
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 09:54 PM

Under the sea tune

The sickest are always greener
In somebody else's State
You dream about going 'up' there
But that is a big mistake
Just look at the world around you
Right here at blue heaven's gate
Such wonderful things surround you
What is your ultimate fate?
In Quarantine
In Quarantine
Each little griever
Down with a fever
Take it from me

Up in Montana they work all day
Out in the sun they slave away
The Navy's devotin'
Hospital boatin'
Docked in the bay
Out there all the folks is happy
Like hot dogs snug in their roll
The old of the land ain't happy
They sad 'cause they got a cold
But folks on the land are lucky
Those on a cruise have a worser fate
One day everyones sickly
eatin off the same ol' plates
In quarantine
In quarantine
Nobody beat us
We jus breathed dust
Stuff we can't see

Its the old folks who are on the hook
Lots of food for the young to cook
They got no troubles
Life is all bubbles
In quarantine out on the beach
In quarantine
Since life is sweet here
We got the beat here
Naturally (Naturally)

Even the doctor and the nurse
They get the surge an ride the hearse
We got the spirit
You got to hear it
Above the streets
Yeah, In quarantine
In Quarantine
playin the B ball
life is in free fall.
In Quarantine
The mail man can play
The grocers on strings
The krauts rockin' out
The agent she sings
The spanic and the black
They know where it's at
An' oh that trumpet blow
Yeah, In quarantine
In quarantine
When the projects
Begin the concert
It's music to me (It's music to me)
What do they got? A Stienway grand?
We got a hot apartment house band
Each little fam here
Know how to jam here
In quarantine
Each little bug here
Cuttin' a rug here
In quarantine
Each giant whale here
Know how to wail here
That's why it's better
Under the weather
Ya we in luck here
Stuck in New York here
in quarantine

Subject: RE: Hunger
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 08:23 AM

I will end my chronicaling of events with this comment;

In this age of favoring the economy over the life spans of people, by the businessman/fascist tactics of the new conservatives, it is actually neccessary to remind the world that living IS AGING!

While the wealthy ruling class repeat and insist that "the cure must not be worse than the problem", YOU MUST NOT give in to the nonsense that your survival is unimportant compared to doing business.

With enough repetition/hypnosis people can be lured to the cliffs like lemmings. Its happened before. It sounds like it will happen again.
You may not need to be reminded that aging is living but the young are more easily indoctrinated than you.