BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 01:16 PM

i owe my friend steve a pint (steve d not steve s) promised for the day the pubs reopen if we -and the pubs- make it through. other than can we cancel all debts please? from student loans, to hospital trusts pfi scams, benefit loans, mortgages, car loans, bank loans etc. that's the way to boost an economy. free rent for pubs and other socially important enterprises. what's the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 01:14 PM

To break a resolution for a minute so people who seem not to be are aware of the position of very many rural dwellers in Ireland, and I presume in Britain
Many live on their own, have no family or close friends and are quite often reluctant to bother neighbours who, they believe have enough to cope with as it is
We live a mile outside town and on a fairly busy road which has been spookily quiet for some time now
Many are not as lucky as us and live in remote scattered farmhouses up fairly inaccessible roads
The local shops are simply not equipped to do home deliveries and social services are unable to cope at the best of times
I lived in Britain's capital for thirty years and read regularly of solitary people dying at home and nor being found for days - weeks - months in some cases
I even read about fire survivors who narrowly escaped death in a horrific inferno being refused the use of vacant property because that would have gone against the 'Private Property' ethos that dominates Britain - I'm sure you must have heard about this yourself :-)
The PLanet Zog that some people appear to inhabit may have this sort of thing in hand - not here, I'm afraid
If there's something us oldies have had to come to terms with is that despite having devoted our lives and taxes to our country, our best chances of staying alive are to rely on each other and not those who we put in power to look after our well being - they are far, far too busy looking after themselves to bother about us crumblies
Over and out - I'll go to confession tonight to ask forgiveness for my breaking my 'British Summertime' resolution !
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 01:01 PM

Effective testing and tracing would make distancing far better as when the authorities know who is affected and where they can concentrate their efforts in the right areas. In countries where testing is extensive the spread is better contained than in countries that are not testing as well as they could. Partisan support of the government of the day, whethet they are right or wrong, is simply foolish.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:50 PM

Though, I should qualify that with..

"Not too impressed so far..."

The future is no where near as clear cut as it was mere weeks ago,
when boris/dom celebrated victory...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:47 PM

Pat and I had not long finished discussing what we were going to do if 'cocooning' became compulsory fo people like us,

Compulsory or advisory. Does it make any difference when it is for your own benefit?

Gov i.e. states:If you are over 70 years of age or have a condition which makes you extremely medically vulnerable you are strongly advised to cocoon, to reduce the chance of getting COVID-19 and follow the face-to-face distancing measures below........... published 27/3/20

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:37 PM

Iains - sorry.. I don't have time / can't be arsed to click all your selective links...

Besides, I've already made my views clear in the past months,
that I'm not too impressed with the current bunch of hopefuls
competing for Labour Leadership...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:33 PM

Bonz - who does..???

I don't...

But it does depend on the specific medical advisers 'our govt' select to listen to..

We'll have to trust they are brilliant well qualified independent advisers,
and not carefully chosen to agree with partisan tory agenda...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:29 PM

As a reminder, here is what the WHO said:

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The World Health Organization called on all countries on Monday to ramp up their testing programs as the best way to slow the advance of the coronavirus pandemic, and also urged companies to boost production of vital equipment to overcome acute shortages.

“We have a simple message to all countries - test, test, test,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a news conference in Geneva, calling the pandemic “the defining global health crisis of our time”.


WHO calls for "change of mindset" to overcome pandemic shortages
“All countries should be able to test all suspected cases, they cannot fight this pandemic blindfolded.”
Without testing, cases cannot be isolated and the chain of infection will not be broken, he said.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:27 PM

if it's true, as reported by news media and bloggers..???]...

Do you really believe the posted video was faked?????????????
(after all it was brought to public attention by Guido, the man you have yet to catch lying!)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:26 PM

So you all think you know better than the medical advisers to our government!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:21 PM

Quoted in full so that I am not accused of taking it out of context:
And by the way, as of today this country has the capacity to carry out nine thousand tests a day but is managing just seven thousand. Germany is carrying out one hundred thousand tests a day and is expecting to double that in a few days' time. As we don't have a vaccine, the only really effective way to battle the virus is to test like crazy and trace all contacts. If South Korea can do it and Germany can do it, why can't we? Instead, as a result of past Tory policies (or lack of), we are ruining thousands of businesses, throwing millions out of work and building a massive debt for future generations to pay off the likes of which have never been seen.

Testing and tracing only serves to identify the problem.
Lockdown and 'Social Distancing' are measures that can actually be effective.
So to say that tracing and testing are an effective way to "battle the virus" is totally wrong, even if it does come from a self-proclaimed 'scientist'.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:12 PM

I object to her still stubbornly using the political suicide word "socialism"
[if it's true, as reported by news media and bloggers..???]...

She'll have to wise up to the realities of the outside world,
if she does become leader...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:04 PM

Just got a phnone call which reminded us how decent (most) people are deep down
Pat and I had not long finished discussing what we were going to do if 'cocooning' became compulsory fo people like us, which is likely when an elderly neighbour several years our senior called to ask us if we were managing to feed ourselves and saying her half-German son had offered to pick up anything we needed from town for as long as we needed him
Put's the Nigel Farages, Bernard Mannings, Jim Davidsons - and English absentee landlords firmly where they belong in the humanity stakes

"verging on criminal negligence..."
Amen to that - as long as they don't start feckin' about with Casualty, Holby City and Scott and Bailey :-)
Bad enough when the football gets them cancelled
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 11:59 AM

What level of doubts do you have that a labour administration would be able to deliver any good results???

I may or may not have doubts, Bonzo, but it just doesn't matter. We can say for certain what Boris has or has not done. You can only speculate what would have happened in other circumstances. There is no comparison. And you still haven't told us whether it is Rebecca Long-Bailey's gender, social status or place of birth that you object to.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 10:50 AM

Isn't it fascinating to see people championing the wishes of the people by describing pupulism as democracy when the same people have regarded the peoples decision with contempt when it runs counter to their own ?
I think that sums up both populism and today's take on democracy perfectly
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 10:47 AM

Right now it's more appropriate to consider all the costly time and tax payer's money wasting
ideological follies, white elephants, and vanity projects,
that all recent UK governments have been guilty of..

Time and money that should have been devoted to fundamentals
such as planning effectively for know plausible emergencies...!!!

They are guilty of populist distractions and stupidity verging on criminal negligence...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 09:47 AM

And by the way, as of today this country has the capacity to carry out nine thousand tests a day but is managing just seven thousand. Germany is carrying out one hundred thousand tests a day and is expecting to double that in a few days' time. As we don't have a vaccine, the only really effective way to battle the virus is to test like crazy and trace all contacts. If South Korea can do it and Germany can do it, why can't we? Instead, as a result of past Tory policies (or lack of), we are ruining thousands of businesses, throwing millions out of work and building a massive debt for future generations to pay off the likes of which have never been seen.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 09:40 AM

Trying to surmise wot Labour "would have done" in this crisis is just mischievous. The CONTEXT of this situation is TEN YEARS of the Tories running down the health service, and as I indicated yesterday, several years of unpreparedness, neglecting the findings of studies and even ditching them part-through in their brexit obsession. Of course Labour wouldn't have done any better had they won the election: the measures to deal with a crisis such as this one simply weren't in place, and that is one hundred percent the fault of successive inept TORY administrations. You Tories are all so adept at reminding us about the "mess you inherited from Labour" ten years ago (conveniently forgetting, of course, that there had been two years of a GLOBAL financial meltdown), and most of you are still using that stupid excuse. So it's about time YOU admitted responsibility for the current shambles. If you really must surmise, how about surmising how well Labour would have done ten years ago, when no-one waited more than the 18-week target for their ops, when A&E departments were running well and not being shut down, when we had thousands more doctors and nurses and when patients even in benign times weren't queuing on trolleys in corridors. Now that WOULD be a fair way of looking at it.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 09:15 AM

Worky - we cross posted..
interesting that we indpendently arrive at similar assesments of a bad situation..
Now that I read your post...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 09:12 AM

"Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 03:58 AM"

As far as the few BS threads I read goes..

Definitely "post of the year"...!!!

We'll never know how good a Labour politician Jim could have been,
but he is definitely one of my favourite elder thinkers,
worth respecting and reading [not deleting],
when he is on form...


As to politicians we do have now or in the future..

Just because we vote for the ones on our sides who put themselves forward in public,
doesn't mean they are up to doing the job well if they do get elected...

Blind uncritical loyalty in the face of obviously poor quality leadership
is a symptom and cause of far worse to come...

Europe learnt that lesson the hardest way, long ago in my Mother's childhood.
The survivors dreamt of and endeavoured to build a better future for humanity..

So futile..

.. and now we have boris and dom...
the politically equivalent devastation of a neutron bomb...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 09:00 AM

in my opinion there are plenty of things labour got wrong or could have done better - as an activitist i wish Jeremy corbyn had stood aside a couple of years ago, for example. any other supporters are also full of doubts and we were very amicably split over our choice to nominate the next leadership. more worrying for me is the blind devotion i see in the media and on here to what the government - boris johnson can do no wrong apparently. at it's worst thais adulation can lead to fascism - at best - while party loyalty is a good thing a good friend will have some doubts and be able to constructively criticise. the culling of questioning voices in the tory party is just sinister

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 08:50 AM

What level of doubts do you have that a labour administration would be able to deliver any good results???

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 08:36 AM

Spot on DMcG. Governments, or anyone for that matter, should not be judged by what they say they will do. Only by what they actually do. Sadly we are in the situation where politicians cannot be trusted to do anything they say they are going to do anyway so the only possible measure is results. Current crisis aside, I have serious doubts whether the current administration will be able to deliver any good results.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 08:32 AM

"and the consequences is sensible, "
Of course it is - and understandable when you consider how many Irish live in Britain
People here worry about the welfare of their families abroad - 11% of all N.H.S. workers are from Ireland
Once again Health representatives have been demanding why their staff are inadequately protected - one spokesman say that it is preventing many retired staff who wish to return to work during the crisis from doing so
How dare anybody suggest this is gloating ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 08:14 AM

The same is true of constant comparisons with what the Irish government is doing

No it isn't. Comparing what the UK does what other countries are doing and the consequences is sensible, whether those leaders be from Ireland, USA, China, Germany or anywhere else. What they do, and the consequences arising, can guide how the UK should or should not behave. If they do things that work, and we choose not to, it is right and proper to ask why not.

Comparing yourself to what people say who are in no position to do anything and there is no way to tell if or how well what they are suggesting would work is simply irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 08:02 AM

The same is true of constant comparisomns with what the Irish government is doing. In the latter case there would also appear a despicable element of gloating

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 07:42 AM

A prime example of whataboutism. Labour are in no position to bring any workers in to or from anywhere. The present government is being judged by what it does and it is failing to make the grade. Comparing that against what others may say is risible and dishonest.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 07:21 AM

Now for an   example of labour lunacy.
The country on lockdown and the halfwit wants to let 70,000 foreigners in. Plenty of young idle hands available in house (so to speak)We had a land army in ww2.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262160/Sky-News-Kay-Burley-European-workers-coronavirus-news-UK-latest-COVID19-cases-pandemic

and another ( Brought by Guido in video format for the non believers.)
Following in the footsteps of Ian Lavery, in a Zoom call to supporters last week, Rebecca Long-Bailey claimed that the coronavirus crisis gives Labour the chance to campaign. Talking to what she thought was a group of just supporters, the leadership candidate claimed:

   “The case in this crisis is being made very strongly for socialism and we need to make sure that people don’t forget that all of the support that we’re pushing for, it is socialism.“

For the avoidance of doubt, a few months of emergency measures taken now are not socialism, will take years to pay off, and would be disastrous to deploy in normal times.


https://order-order.com/2020/03/30/rebecca-long-bailey-claims-coronavirus-opportunity-labour-campaign/

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 06:58 AM

"NHS staff will die unnecessarily.”
Their pleas for adequate protection, which began long before the problem became a major one, seem still to be falling on deaf ears
Irish people with relatives in Britain are now demanding why the British Government has dragged its feet
Ireland took its first delivery of medical supplies from China yesterday - three days before its announced arrival
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 06:22 AM

So now Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of the coronavirus. He was last seen leaving number 10 just after Johnson made his broadcast saying he had tested positive for the virus.

We don't actually know if they had contact, but it seems extremely likely. Mixing with someone known to have the virus is not exactly a mark of genius, is it?

I suppose like Rees-Mogg, Cummings thinks his common sense means he should not follow expert advice but make his own judgements.

Like Boris, Cummings will probably get through this, as the vast majority do. Whether he will learn anything humility through it is another matter.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 05:40 AM

"The people have their way"

That would have been Thursday 12 December 2019.
It is rare we agree on anything!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 05:38 AM

From today's Labour List:

The UK’s coronavirus death toll rose to 1,228 over the weekend, including NHS doctors for the first time. NHS staff are only just starting to be tested now, amid increasing pressure also for personal protective equipment to reach frontline key workers urgently. Remember when the deputy chief medical officer confidently stated on March 20th that the problems around PPE had been “completely resolved”? The latest Lancet editorial was scathing. Editor-in-chief Richard Horton called the handling of coronavirus a “national scandal”, and concluded that as a result of delays and inaction: “Patients will die unnecessarily. NHS staff will die unnecessarily.”

The. Government's response has been inept, disorganised, complacent (herd immunity, anyone? Beat it in twelve weeks?) and tardy. And it's killing people.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 05:20 AM

HOLD the LINE people - it's working well so far
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 04:28 AM

populism
   a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

Now what brought this about in the UK?
Remember the Tory quote?
disgrace

The elite group was Labour defying the will of the people and refusing an election.
But populism won and the turkeys were not able to prevent a vote for Christmas.
Populism hammered Labour at the polls and an extremely popular government was voted in. The people regained theiur sovereignty again and destroyed those who would thwart them

Terrible things facts. They beat opinion pieces any day!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 03:58 AM

"and sadly became a tired weak covers band of itself..."
I agree with all of that Pfr with the exception of "weak"
Unfortunately, by abandoning the former old beliefs that they could run the world as wise, superior elders for the benefit of all, they found a quick-fix to getting what they want
Instead of 'working for the good of the people' as the best of them genuinely believed, they discovered 'Populism' - sell an idea to the people in any way available, then push it through, claiming it was what they had asked for
Brexit was their big breakthrough
The appeal to the traditional xenophobia that was built into by our (my generatn's at least) education system won Brexit - blame the foreigners and incomers for all our troubles and push through a massive leap in the dark which nobody had thought through, not even them
They did it using techniques that destroyed the career of one of their on leading politicians, Enoch Powell - Farage's 'invading hordes' poster was a simplified version of Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech
Since then, the Tories have cleansed their ranks of humanitarians and thinkers', and if one of either shows weakness, breaking of ranks or challenges to leadership they are frog-marched out
Cummins and his unelected team are an 'unthink tank' deliberately chosen to come up with an efficiently ruthless way to head for their Brave New World and leave the old velvet-glove tactics behind - his choice of language when building up that team is indicative of the shaking off of the old ways was the shape of things to come "weirdos and Misfits" - using a blog instead of going through 'the usual channels' of selection the Civil Service

After Brexit, Trump took the cue, appealed to America's redneck 'pioneer' streak and won the right to target Mexicans (to start with), build walls and take charge of the supposedly neural groups that run the country - the judiciary, the police, the Army - next stop, the Media
Shortly after, we in Ireland had a Presidential election where a totally unknown, Peter Casey, came from nowhere, appealed to Ireland's hatred of Travellers and got far too many votes - thankfully nowhere near enough

This is happening worldwide now - they are succeeding where the Nazis failed by turning people against their own less-fortunate fellow human beings
Frightening times - it will be interesting to see if the present crisis does anything to wake people up
Who knows, maybe it's Nature's way of restoring the balance !!!!

I'm afraid Stanron is proving as disappointing as the rest
Rather than providing thought-through or even interesting argument, he has resorted to one- liners and evasion - pity
How I miss MtheGM
Maybe the malaise that has inflicted the Tory leadership has spread to its supporters
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 03:11 AM

PFR How to deal with vibrant music

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 07:49 PM

She said his post was trolling. Nobody called him a troll. IMO, he does seem to like getting up people's noses. But again, it's what he does, not what he is.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 07:39 PM

"The Mod has pronounced me a troll."

Stan - how/where's that then...???

From what little I've mixed with you,
you struck me as one of the more sensible mudcat tory 'activists'...?????

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 07:04 PM

"The Mod has pronounced me a troll..."

Reminds me of that old Tommy Cooper joke:

Doctor! Doctor! (moving arm...) every time I do this it hurts!

(Doc): Well stop doing it then!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:43 PM

@ punkfolkrocker,   And if anyone be adversely critical of their performances, their inevitable response is to retort that another band would be worse with its current line-up.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 04:22 PM

Iains - just like the blinkered fans of an aging once mildly interesting rock band,
the current tory fan base don't understand,
are completely ignorant of, and biased against,
any other peoples far more vibrant tastes in music...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Stanron
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 04:22 PM

The Mod has pronounced me a troll. It looks like your side wins.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 04:11 PM

Good reasoned argument, Stanron. Any answer to my question yet?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 04:09 PM

But the dedicated loyal fanbase still keep dutifully buying their newest released crap CDs
and merchandise tat...

Yup!   populism is a wonderful thing. It placed the Torys back in power with a stonking majority.
Labour by conntrast cannot decide between waxed clinders or 78s, that nobody has the yoke to play them on anyway..... Thus like the graphophone they are consigned to the dustbin of history

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:57 PM

Stan - yeah I was told that by the English teachers at school and 6th form college..

But my factory council estate parents
didn't have an upper middle class privileged old-school-tie social network
of media and publishing contacts....

.. and also playing and partying in a band
was far more fun than sitting in a solitary room with nothing but a typewriter...

Having said that, one of my best mates from grammar school,
who did belong to a middle class arty farty family,
has become a successful novelist and media personality...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Stanron
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:37 PM

Dear pfr

your talents are wasted here. You should start writing novels.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:35 PM

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:32 PM

Jim - the tories are now like a more sinister version
of a vintage rock band that lost all original members,
lost all inspiration and direction,
and sadly became a tired weak covers band of itself...

..worst still, the new singer got his best mate in as manager,
who imposed his own dodgy musical personality on the old band...

Conservative Party in name only...

But the dedicated loyal fanbase still keep dutifully buying their newest released crap CDs
and merchandise tat...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 02:39 PM

"but my take on Labour ideology is that the 'whole' can be improved by lifting the 'bottom'."
Your take is wrong
Ihat nothing to do with personal wealth - it is based on equality of opportunity - the right for everybody to prove themself
You reduce that dream to "The politics of envy" - may your tongues fall out en mass
Who envies to be rich enough to have poor taste and little humanity - that's what epitomizes today's privileged
Your party once had principles - the dream that by sacrifice, poor people could better themselves
That has been long abandoned
I can think of a dozen leading Tories I once admired for something or other (I worked for some of them in London)
Now I'm hard pressed to think of one
Your Party has gone down the pan and it has taken Britain with it - go check the constant and repidly growing gap between haves and have nothings and tell me that's not so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 02:38 PM

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Jenny Harries:

    “To make it clear to the public, if we are successful we will have squashed the top of that curve which will be brilliant, but we must not then suddenly revert to our normal way of living, that would be quite dangerous. If we stop then all of our efforts will be wasted.”

    “Over time, probably over the next six months, we will have a three week review, we will see where we are going. We need to keep that lid on, and then gradually we will be able to hopefully adjust some of the social distancing measures, and gradually get us all back to normal.”

    “Three to six months ideally, and lots of uncertainty in that, to see at which point we can actually get back to normal. And it is plausible that it could go further than that.“

The video confirmation courtesy of Guido

https://order-order.com/2020/03/29/social-distancing-last-three-six-months-plausibly-longer/#comments