BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:50 PM

Que??????

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:47 PM

"Well I still await an explanation as to why a very recent poll puts the Tories way ahead of Labour, "
Try a hostile medie shit scared of what Crbyn offered and interference from a foreign power (israel) in branding Britain antisemitic - plus Brexit fatigue)
Do you really believe the British people to actually believe an old-school women roping racist moron who had to use taxpayers money to get his leg-over
If a public can be perasuaded for a cretin like Trump - given the right circumstances they'll vote for anybody - mayve even tommy Robinson
How's that ?

LEARN FROM HISTORY
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:40 PM

would anyone prefer at some stage to move to europe - maybe become swedish eh, turnip? ach, i guess you are just some lonely old robot in a kiev suburb. or maybe a retired old coloniast in some hertfordshire care home. whatever, whoever you are - lighten up, just a bit of banter isn't it - so very british - no need to be offensive or offended.

Subject: RE: BS: Clapping for the NHS
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:32 PM

DtG - Well.. it might not have been to begin with, but trust the tories to ruin anything good..

.. as your own link well demonstrates...

What about that town up in Derbyshire that moos to stay sane and celebrate unity..

Belper moo relieves lockdown misery

Wait till that's hijacked into MOO FOR BORIS...!!!


BAAAAAA FOR BORIS would be more appropriate...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:31 PM

Well I still await an explanation as to why a very recent poll puts the Tories way ahead of Labour, who are still slipping. This rather gives the lie t oall the drivelling on this thread. You can read all about in on Guido. (The man you have yet to find telling anything but the unblemished truth.)
and the jewel in the crown is that Boris rose from the bed on Easter Sunday. A Good omen or what?


https://order-order.com/2020/04/12/tory-government-sets-new-polling-record/
A very telling post in the comments section of the link:


Prepare for disappointment!

Look, no matter what your politics are most British people do not like nasty, sneering, abusive, sour people. And there are way, way too many people like that in the Labour party.

The sheer horribleness of Labour representatives mean that you are going to be out of power for the foreseeable future.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:29 PM

I want a bigger burger...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:16 PM

I am a bigger bugger...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:13 PM

800

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:13 PM

Bigger up, Dave? I fear those days are long gone... :-(

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:10 PM

It works as a relief valve for us, Pete, but has little effect on turnips. Where there is no sense there is no feeling.

I think the new UK mod is doing a good job in deleting some of his more offensive posts. I think this is a good thing. Leave the rest up to show the silly bigger up for what he is.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 12:00 PM

i don't know steve et al - we've tried ignoring him, appealing to his better side (no sign of it yet) we've asked him to stop his more offensive posts, asked him to give us a hint that he is more than a machine (or a turnip) - taken him on often enough in argument and got no sensible or meaningful response. quite clearly he is just a malign and crazy person. we have appealed a few times to mods to give us a break and again, no progress. he is here and there is nothing we can do about it. the uncomfortable fact is that we (well i do anyway) read his shorter posts and quite enjoy his more ridiculous, provocative contributions. we could try outright mockery, just an idea....

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 11:33 AM

We know that he's a far-right puppet being told what to say, chaps. Just ignore the silly sod!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 11:22 AM

"Of course if workingtonman does not like living in the UK he"
Exile all the bastards who date to criticise our beloved Fuehrer (until we can get away with shooting them, of course)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 10:42 AM

Empty vessels make most sound

Says the man responsible for about 15% of the posts on this thread. For once, I agree with him.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 10:18 AM

i do hope to return to an independent, european, progressive scotland before long and see more of my daughter in glasgow (and partick thistle, obviously). i'm also tempted to join my son in southern italy or our daughter in rural estonia. as far as england goes - i wouldn't mind a move. there are pockets of decency left but the general mood has got very bitter in recent years and though i'm tiring of all the turnips i would miss the countryside, the pubs and the beer. but who knows where we will all be in a year's time anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 09:51 AM

Of course if workingtonman does not like living in the UK he could always depart to another EU country once the lockdown is over. But I doubt he will. Snivelling on the sidelines is the most he is capable of, like most other lefties.
As they say: Empty vessels make most sound.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 09:32 AM

I see he is not returning to work immediately. Very sensible. Which Dominic is now in charge of the country? Raab or Cummings?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 09:23 AM

i too am delighted and even more so that he has decided to retire from public life

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 09:17 AM

I am delighted that johnson has been discharged from hospital!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 09:14 AM

hey turnip - the following isn't for you , don't think you'll like it and would not try to understand it of give a considered response. what was that phrase again pfr? every other significant party, church and charity group, community centre, and staff group in the uk understands that well-funded and resourced public services are the source of our security and community purpose. NHS and all other public services have come to the uk through the labour, trade unions and related progressive interests and represent the collective will of our the countries. of course a lot of these are (at least small s) socialist in spirit. which is why the tory party oppose and will do what they can to self -off and run down these services for the benefit of their rich friends. who can't understand that if someone is ill and needs help - then someone has to make money out of this. if a child needs educating - who makes money out of it? the uk tragedy is we have been sadled with these tories for centuries and even now some people believe that only the posh guys can run the show - it's not for the likes of us to think about that sort of thing. other mature republican countries have had their revolutions or whatever and benefit from the more egalitarian settled will of the people there (and p r) of course we need a healthy mix of capitalism here at a local level anyway. for a settled society comparable to other well-run european countries. we can go this way - aim for a german model say - or go american. it shouldn't be a difficult choice these days.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 09:13 AM

Iolanthe, I believe. Somehow I have only seen that once, as far as I recall. But it brought to mind a job interview I had when I was a callow youth of around 25. When they were asking about outside interests I mentioned Gilbert and Sullivan. The interview proceeded, but as one of the interviewers showed me out he whispered "I wouldn't mention Gilbert and Sullivan if I were you."

I was made an offer, but went elsewhere, so never did find out what his concern was. Presumably not fitting into some preconception of what 25 year olds should care about.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 09:02 AM

Mrrzy - I don't know if but I must look it up. Sounds wonderful :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 09:00 AM

And now for some Easter egg!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 08:59 AM

Because...

To end on a happy note, one can always count on Gilbert and Sullivan for a rousing finale, full of words and music and signifying - nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 08:57 AM

I can't resist...

Enter Fairies, with Celia, Leila, and Fleta. They trip round stage.

Fairies:
Strephon’s a Member of Parliament!
Carries ev'ry Bill he chooses.
To his measures all assent –
Showing that fairies have their uses.
Whigs and Tories
Dim their glories,
Giving an ear to all his stories –
Lords and Commons are both in the blues!
Strephon makes them shake in their shoes!
Shake in their shoes!
Shake in their shoes!
Shake in their shoes!
Shake in their shoes!
Strephon makes them shake in their shoes, in their shoes!

Enter Peers from Westminster Hall.
Peers:
Strephon’s a Member of Parliament!
Running a-muck of all abuses.
His unqualified assent
Somehow nobody now refuses.
Whigs and Tories
Dim their glories,
Giving an ear to all his stories
Carrying every Bill he may wish:
Here’s a pretty kettle of fish!
Kettle of fish!
Kettle of fish!
Kettle of fish!
Kettle of fish!
Here’s a pretty kettle, a kettle of fish!

All:
Strephon’s a Member of Parliament!
Carries ev'ry Bill he chooses.
To his measures all assent –
Carrying ev'ry bill he may wish,
Carrying every Bill he may wish:
Here’s a pretty kettle of fish!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 08:47 AM

But if it was the rocket man corbyn we would still be trying to make him understand the problem.
What a lucky escape that was!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 08:44 AM

"On grounds of simple logic your arguments are without merit,"
On the grounds of what is actually happening, your arguments are little more than propagandising anti-left hate mail
It's just been announced that, after today it is possible that Britain could become the country with the highest death rate in Europe - beating both Italy and Spain
The announcement was followed by a statement from a medical spokesman that medical workers working on the front-line are still doing so with woefully inadequate protection and other equipment - this has now become a constant plea that has been getting louder for well over a month
Our heroes here have passed it off as "leftie whingeing"
I can see their OBEs for loyalty to their party being forged now - the party' interest has long taken the place of concern for the British People - there has to be a special gong for that
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 08:15 AM

Its not just Labour MPs who have problems with numbers.

Wonder why our Resident Right-Wing Extremist isn’t shooting his barrack-room lawyer mouth off about Patel’s inability to read a number correctly? If it had been Diane Abbott who got her neck in a knot like that, we’d never hear the last about ‘Abbacus’ and ‘Abbopotamus’.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 08:11 AM

"Asked whether the UK could be the worst hit, Farrar told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “It is possible. Numbers in the UK have continued to go up. I do hope that we are coming close to the numbers reducing. But yes, the UK is likely to be certainly one of the worst, if not the worst affected country in Europe.”

He held up Germany as an example of a country with a lower death rate that had “very early on introduced testing on a scale that was remarkable and continued to do that and isolate individuals and look after those who got very sick”.

“By isolating those that were positive it meant they weren’t able to infect other people,” he said. There were undoubtedly lessons to learn from that, he added.

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There should be no lesson to learn from that at all. Because anyone who thinks for more than half a second understands that if a disease is contagious keeping people infected with it separate is probably a good idea. So finding people who are infected (i.e. testing) and then checking those who could be affected (tracing) is exactly what you should do as long as it is remotely feasible. And the only reasons it becomes infeasible is if you do not have enough tests or are unwilling to dedicate enough resources to the tracing. Even if tracing beyond a certain point becomes impossible - if the infected person went on a tube train and you don't know who else was on it, for example - you concentrate on tracing the rest and watching for new outbreaks. Saying "we should learn from this" is fairly close to a demonstration you or those in authority are incapable of learning any such thing.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 08:06 AM

You can’t blame the Secretary of State, or anyone else in govt, for the lack of PPE. This was an unprecedented event, as well as it been down to NHS procurement and individual NHS Trusts. Some have managed to ensure they have plenty, others do not. Those gaps are now filling up.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 07:53 AM

The election was before the Coronavirus crisis and before it became so obvious that the Tory party were instrumental in reducing the NHS to a dangerous level.

Another simple question. As the Tories have this massive majority, just who is responsible for the lack of action at the beginning of the crisis?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 07:23 AM

One question for you:
If the Tories are so terrible why are they so much more popular than Labour?
       On grounds of simple logic your arguments are without merit, or do you seriously believe the public supports mass murderers?

You do come up with some utter nonsense! Still carry on if it makes you feel better.
The majority of the population find your postings fatuous. Were this not true would not Labour be in power?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 07:13 AM

Using this forum during an epidemic epidemic to defend a party which is making deadly mistakes and has placed Britain high in the league of casualties is totally predatory - neo-vulturism
A real picture of what we are to expect
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 07:04 AM

Discussing the Labour party on a politics thread is perfectly acceptable. To put things in perspective though, while Labours failings give some people great amusement, the Tories failings are killing thousands.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 06:31 AM

New polling released by Opinium shows the Tories besting their previous in-government all time best poll set two weeks ago, to score 55%. Remarkably, despite new leadership, Labour slipped by a further percentage point to 29%, three points below the share Jeremy Corbyn managed in the 2019 General Election. The Tories will be frustrated May’s elections aren’t going ahead…

Onward and upward!
Tous les jours à tous points de vue je vais de mieux en mieux

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 06:27 AM

Is workingtnoman enjoying his second childhood?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 06:23 AM

Re COVID?19 Easter Sunday & urbi et orbi, imperialistic Catholicism & Anglicanism should be replaced by a Church of Italy ONLY, a Church of England ONLY, a Church of Germany ONLY, etc.; or, in WalkaboutsVerse, my poem "Further Anti-Imperialism"

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 06:19 AM

pfr - remind me of your phrase summing up typical right -wingers - was it mean-spirited, selfish, heartless sociopaths? i thought you had maybe inserted a turnip in there?

actually - right wingers are mean -spirited selfish heartless sociopaths works better on its own without turnip.

as does most things - except haggis i suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 06:11 AM

Diverting from the facts that the Tories are in charge and are fucking it p is your specialty
Your language leaves a lot to be desired.
A percipient blast from the past.


https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-abo

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 05:24 AM

As I say, we can but hope. But I promise not to hold my breathe in the meantime!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 05:19 AM

I’d strongly recommend that you don’t hold your breath as you wait for that unlikely epiphany, DMcG.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 05:03 AM

Sorry!


Here is the link

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 05:02 AM

< href="https://www.theguardian.com/focus/2020/apr/11/boris-johnsons-darkest-hour-one-week-that-shook-the-nation">'I owe them my life': how Boris Johnson's illness shook him, and the nation

By this account, Boris issued a statement on Saturday recognising that he owes them his life. Ok, I accept it could be PR, but it could also be a genuine recognition that he would not be alive without the NHS staff. Other people have said that Boris did not really believe in illness: it was just something to be worked through, and having time off because of it suggested a weakness of character. I can certainly imagine that Eton stressed the "Be a Man! Never show weakness" line, and his friends and colleagues seem to be suggesting he had that attitude.

A near-death experience can change a person, and it is quite possible that Boris comes out of this like the wedding guest:

He went like one that hath been stunned,
And is of sense forlorn:
A sadder and a wiser man,
He rose the morrow morn.

If so, he could come out with much more understanding of what it means to be ill, that many who claim illness are not malingerers, that NHS really does need the right equipment, that Patel's non-apology about being "sorry for what people feel" is totally inadequate and, in short, "a wiser man."

We can but hope.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 04:51 AM

Diverting from the facts that the Tories are in charge and are fucking it p is your specialty
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 04:36 AM

On a thread about UK politics how on earth can outlining the plethora of labour failings be considered diversionary?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 04:12 AM

With every post the diversion tactics become more and more desperate. How many thousands of deaths has Naz Shah or the Labour party been directly responsible for then?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 04:06 AM

The pathetic lefties seemto have a fixation on turnips. Thiis probably accounts for their poor quality posts.
Now for more on Naz Shah. So much for Starmer and eradicating antisemitism.
Nice to see starmer is carrying on magic grandad's mission to be totally unelectable.
Wonderful entertainment. Tories rule OK!!!!


Naz Shah

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 03:56 AM

"She was suspended from the Labour Party."
While inquiries too place - something the Tories have never done and wouldn't dare doing considering their appalling racist history, which doesn't seem to upset you two - why should it - that's what right-wing politics are about; race and class superiority   
Not wrong
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 07:45 PM

Seems that not-Priti and Hand-On-Cock have both demonstrated their entitled Tory credentials in the last couple of days, what with their patronising and condescending remarks about the brave front-line workers (which they themselves are not, of course, and wouldn't know how to speak properly to a nurse if they met one), and the people who KNOW that this shabby lot have failed to provide the proper safety kit for those workers...

A government that actually kills people...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 06:32 PM

Funny, that's what we said about shagabbott and corbyn press!!!