BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 06:02 PM

Tories - please don't sack Priti Patel..

We need her out in the public spotlight making a weasel-twat of herself,
as frequently, and as long as possible....

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 04:54 PM

Naz Shah's transgression occurred before she became an MP. She made a comment about Israel, not about Jews. It's all there for the seeing. She quickly apologised for her naivety and had a strip torn off her by Jeremy Corbyn. We've been here a thousand times on this forum and bringing it up again is vexatious. I suggest that you look up Naz's parliamentary career since she was first elected in 2015. She is far and away one of the most popular MPs in the country, despite being Labour, and with good reason. You could do worse than look into her back story too. No privilege, no Eton, no Bullingdon Club here. This country needs a lot more of remarkable people like her. But do feel free to cherrypick ancient history. The rest of us might like to take a broader view. Facts are best taken in context and in the round, but that's an aspect of life that serially eludes you.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 04:43 PM

Nice try Turnip.

Naz Shah made some poor, ill advised judgements when she re-posted a facebook post. That was in August 2014.

She was elected in parliament in May 2015. In April 2016 it was reported that she re-posted those comments in 2014 BEFORE she was elected.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 04:42 PM

i'm sure you are correct, turnip. here in cumbria we have arranged an extraordinary virtual constituency meeting to discuss the urgent matter of what the hell do we do about naz shah? this is the subject on everyone's lips - no mention of the new leader nor the fact that 2 well known and much-loved friends have recently died in our wee town.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 04:04 PM

Naz Shat(Shah) made her comments when she was a student - she retracted them and apologised
WRONG
She was elected MP in 2015 and suapended in 2016. Jeremy Corbyn condemned her posted comment as "offensive and unacceptable". She was suspended from the Labour Party.
Terrible things facts. and it is the Labour party under investigation for antisemitism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, not the Tories.
You appear confused.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 03:40 PM

North Warlingham actualy!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 03:36 PM

Do be nice to him, pfr. He's from Croydon, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 03:32 PM

It wasn't that long ago that a survey revealed that 48% of Tory voters admitted that they were racist. Can't be arsed to find it again. My reaction at the time was wot? Only 48%?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 03:31 PM

Bonz is in an awkward position..

No matter how hard he tries,
he's been deposed as mudcat's most bonkers right wing provocateur,
and worse than that,
is starting to show occasional slightly lefty tendencies..

Even to the point of occasionally posting some very sensible seemingly anti-tory points for debate...???

So as much as he tries to fight against the inner turmoil,
he may be experiencing a difficult uncomfortable later in life transition of political identity..

That must be painful very for him...!!!???

..and now that we are so used to his idiosyncrasies,
he's even becoming an almost likable old mudcat character...

poor old fella...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 03:14 PM

The left clearly demonstrate their spiteful school playground nature, that's why they are finished!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 03:00 PM

Naz Shat made her comments when she was a student - she retracted them and apologised
The Tories have yet to respond to the hundred or so accusations of antisemitism against local poliicans and activists
SOME MORE
These are not angry comments made in the heat of an argument - they are deep rooted attacks on Jewish People - in some cases in fascilitating antisemitism in volatile areas abbroad
Real spooky stuff and very much in line with your PARTY'S SORDID HISTORY Y and that's before you start on its attitude to those of OTHER CULTURES
AND COLOURS
THee Tory Party is institutionall racist asnd based on bigotry and has been throughout its existence as far back as THHE SLAVE TRADE
Now frig off with your unsubstantiated accusations
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 02:10 PM

Divert. Distract. Disconcert. They have nothing else.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 01:46 PM

Iains - how about the Liberals, or Greens for a change..
Just to relieve the monotony of your Labour obsession...


Liberals and greens are too insignificant to consider. Labour are fast closing the gap to join them.
I could draw attention to the magnum opus of the Tories but that would probably upset you, so best I draw attention to Labour deficiencies..
Ms Naz Shah has been named as Shadow Minister for Community Cohesion in Labour Leader, Sir Keir Starmer’s, new-look frontbench.

This was the MP that was suspended back in 2016 after admitting her comments were antisemitic.
She also tweeted:
Victims of abuse in Rotheram should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.

So much for community cohesion. You could not make it up.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 01:21 PM

"how about the Liberals, or Greens for a change.."
And take away a reliable guide for what not to (un) think - don't thinks so
His and Bozo's admiraition fo Labour's new leader is a perfect confirmation of what a gobshite he is
\Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 01:18 PM

that form of non-apology is increasingly popular 'i'm sorry if people feel.....' as if it's their problem. they would absolutely never say 'i'm sorry we have failed   ) (to keep people safe and people have died because of our chaotic mishandling of the situation)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 01:13 PM

Perhaps Nigel would like to analyse the difference between what Priti Patel said in the nightly press conference:

I’m sorry if people feel that there have been failings.

and what most people wanted to hear:

I'm sorry if there have been failings.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 01:10 PM

I like turnips. The only bit of culinary knowledge I took from my Dad was raw thinly sliced turnip sprinkled with salt and drizzled in oil. A lot nicer than it sounds and far healthier than his salt butties and raw bacon rind :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 01:04 PM

yep, better than most turnips

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 12:39 PM

Wow. Three in four minutes! He's grand entertainment value, if nothing else, eh, chaps? And what do I mean, "if?" :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 12:36 PM

Just an observation: considering that you regard the Opposition as a "total irrelevance", you don't half burble on about them a lot. Hundreds of times, I should say, over the last few months. You must be worried.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 12:36 PM

Iains - how about the Liberals, or Greens for a change..
Just to relieve the monotony of your Labour obsession...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 12:32 PM

Divert. Distract. Disconcert.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 12:20 PM

Interesting that every single shadow cabinet minister voted remain.
Another clear indication of how totally out of touch the new labour leadership is. It is a fine thing that they are now a total irrelevance.
We have competant professionals in charge, honed by years of experience since labour was booted out in 2010 after broon the loon gave away the gold reserves for a few cornflake packet tops.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 11:48 AM

The U.S virus list of casualties stands to top 1 quarter of a million and overtake Italy's
Trump says his efforts are the reason it is as light as it is
Those who the Gods wish to destroy....
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 11:48 AM

The foul smoking people will suffer.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 11:46 AM

...bonkers...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 11:45 AM

The election is done and dusted, Labour leadership selection is over..
The entire world is fighting back against a deadly virus..

Yet still be so pathologically obsessed with the Labour party...?????

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 11:40 AM

Nigel. Is nit picking over wording all you have? How about a comment on the plethora of lies that Johnson and his cronies have told?

Still, I suppose it's better than having to keep harking back to an ex Labour leader. Seeing as the government does have this massive majority I wonder how they are going to blame Corbyn for the thousands of unnecessary deaths caused by lack of action from the man at the top?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 11:25 AM

What a lucky escape that it was not Corbyn leading us through these troubled times. Still with an 80 seat lead we know what the electorate wanted.
Meanwhile back in la la land a Momentum splinter group has launched, calling themselves “Forward Momentum” with the aim of “refounding”, “democratising” and organising a “united response to the [Coronavirus] crisis”. Nothing helps organise a united response more than splitting your movement…
   Oh the joy!!!!!!

“If his forces are united, separate them.”
? Sun Tzu, The Art of War
(or in the case of labour simply find a comfortable chair and watch the ensuing self destruction.)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 10:45 AM

Raab in charge my god the MASSES being led by the ignorant, the man that did not know how important Dover was as a port

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 10:35 AM

"Ah.. but it's not a bus is it.. It's actually a private hire coach as defined by laws pertaining to aaaaaaagggghhh..."

SPLAT...!!!

Thanks for the chuckle, pfr.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 10:35 AM

"Go Balls" would be a good brand name for a farmer's livestock castration kit...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 10:25 AM

Goeball's got no balls at all
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 10:23 AM

Nigel - there will be practical consequences to your extreme pedantry..

If we were to yell "Nige, get out the way, there's a runaway bus hurtling towards you...!!!???"

by the time you got to

"Ah.. but it's not a bus is it.. It's actually a private hire coach as defined by laws pertaining to aaaaaaagggghhh..."

SPLAT...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 10:15 AM

John 11:35

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 10:00 AM

Anyway, back to the main event. No proof that Johnson tells lies? There is a whole site dedicated to it.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Feel free to disprove that lot.

There is NOT a "whole site" dedicated to proving That Johnson lies.
Despite the shortname URL, the page is headed: "The lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations of Boris Johnson and his government."

That's your main contention disproved in very short order.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 09:48 AM

WTF has that to do with UK politics Bonzo?

Anyway, back to the main event. No proof that Johnson tells lies? There is a whole site dedicated to it.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Feel free to disprove that lot.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 09:47 AM

"par for the course for lefties"

What an over-generalized unimaginative attempt at a dismissive insult..

However..

"Lesson from Goebbels: repeat a lie often enough and it will be believed,
Typical right wing propagandist behaviour"...

ok.. let's have a go at that then..

Typical right wingers are mean-spirited selfish heartless sociopaths...

Typical right wingers are mean-spirited selfish heartless sociopaths...

Typical right wingers are mean-spirited selfish heartless sociopaths...

Typical right wingers are selfish heartless mean-spirited sociopaths...

Typical right wingers are mean-spirited selfish heartless sociopaths...

That'll do nicely..

..Though, it aint really a proper lie, as it's not so far from objective truth...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 09:39 AM

and I've never taken an illegal drug of any kind)

Not have I. But one of the too many occasions when I have been decidedly slow on the uptake was a time when I entered a room where several colleagues were in conversation and they asked me if I had ever taken drugs.

I was a good 20 seconds into listing the various medications I had been prescribed before I released that was not what was meant ...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 09:31 AM

I gave up smoking at 8.05 PM on Feb 21 1978. No tobacco product has sullied my lungs ever since (and I've never taken an illegal drug of any kind). Do I count?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 09:26 AM

And what proportion, I wonder, of the folks who have died of coronavirus are smokers? That would be an interesting statistic I'd wager!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 08:29 AM

With Johnson's track record for being a stranger to the truth, if Number 10 denies anything we can safely conclude that it definitely happened.

Strong on rumur, hearsay and outright lies but again when challenged to provide proof they cannot.
Utterly pathetic behaviour.

what kind of a thicko are you :

A typical 10th grade level of insult in lieu of debate. About par for the course for lefties. Never, mind the levers of power are at least a generation away from your grubby little hands.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 06:35 AM

One question I think should be asked is that given politicians have now have discovered our key workers include not only NHS staff, but cleaners, delivery people, and many other low paid people, does the government stand by the immigration points system that would exclude many of these people?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 05:39 AM

"From Facebook"
They don't count unless it's from Dominic Cummins or one of his rightist "let 'em all die' goose-steppers - haven't you grasped that by now - what kind of a thicko are you :-)
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 05:37 AM

With Johnson's track record for being a stranger to the truth, if Number 10 denies anything we can safely conclude that it definitely happened.

Isn't it funny that those who were crowing about the Labour party being wiped out and BoJo being able to run the country unopposed are now complaining that Labour are not doing anything. The complete and utter fuck ups that were made early in the crisis are down to no one but the present, massive majority government. There is no way out of this one. Not even blaming Jeremy Corbyn will do.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 04:19 AM

About an hour ago in a live feed: "The Philippines has temporarily banned health workers from leaving for overseas jobs in an attempt to strengthen its own health systems."

I think I said below - I have said it in several places! - that I am surprised the Philippines is not doing more to entice its staff back from overseas to strengthen its own health systems. Preventing them leaving is a step towards that, I suspect.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 04:18 AM

Why did the government feel it was necessary to deny that Dominic Cummings – one of the main advocates of ‘herd immunity’ strategy despite not being a scientist let alone an epidemiologist (first degree = Ancient and Modern History ) argued that ‘if some pensioners die before their time, so be it.

Lesson from Goebbels: repeat a lie often enough and it will be believed,
Typical lefty behaviour. Unless you can prove the statement of course.
But none of you can, unlike Guido of course who can aleays come up with the goods.(as below)

I find it very telling that during this entire crisis Her Majesties Opposition Party has had absolutely nothing to say of note, other than carping and sniping in the background. It will not be the grass that has grown by the time labour obtains power, the little saplings will have become mighty oaks.
The electorate also takes note of facebook nonsense by labour councillors such as:
Cllr. Heselwood who wrote(about the PM)

    “It’s a publicity stunt-they we’re doing badly being criticised for their handling of this, next thing he’s in hospital in ICU-a publicity stunt fir sympathy and to change the narrative. Don’t fall for it”

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 03:53 AM

I'd be surprised if even a majority of these pertinent questions ever come to be asked by British journalists/reporters/presenters/time-servers.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 03:25 AM

Part of the answers to those questions lies in the decision to not build up our testing capability rapidly. We had echoes of it last night. The question was asked why are we still letting flights arrive from places with higher levels of infection than we currently have without testing or isolating the passengers? We were told the science said it would have little or no affect on the spread. Which is nonsense, I am afraid. True, adding x cases to a situation where you already have 100x has little impact, but as the advertisement has it 'every little helps'. Any one of those incoming passengers could start a new centre of infection if they go to an area that was relatively free from the infection.

More likely, the fact that a single jumbo could easily contain 400 passengers means that a policy of testing incoming flights would completely swamp our current testing facility. We tested 19,116 on 9/4, which is something like the equivalent of 40 jumbo jets.   So even testing one or two of these would divert a significant proportion from the front line. If you have the capability to test hundreds of thousands, you will have the capacity test incoming flights, but (in my opinion) the reason we don't test flights is that we don't have the capacity.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 02:39 AM

From Facebook

Here is the obligatory statement before posting anything that might be seen as critical of Boris Johnson. ‘I hope that Boris Johnson makes a swift and full recovery from Covid-19, and is able to resume his duties as soon as possible.’
I hope he recovers swiftly so he can answer a few questions.

Questions for Boris Re Covid-19 from Clare Donoghue.

In answer to those various ‘support Boris’ memes going round the internet: Yes, let’s hope Boris gets better quickly so he can answer the following 14 urgent questions:

1. Why did Boris and his government choose to ignore World Health Organisations guidelines on dealing with a pandemic, which are to test-trace-isolate?

2. Why instead did Boris choose to go for a non-peer reviewed dodgy policy of ‘let the country take it on the chin’ ‘herd immunity’?

3. Why did Boris chose to follow dodgy ‘herd immunity’ policy without ensuring the most vulnerable were shielded from catching Covid-19 through a strict lockdown protective bubble for them?

4. Why did Boris and his own father ignore social distancing rules for public health protection instead going down the pub and ‘shaking hands with everyone’?

5. Why did Boris and co only listen to the change in projection figures from Professor Neil Ferguson at Imperial in March when the Lancet had published data in January showing that ‘herd immunity’ strategy was likely to lead to ¼ million deaths in UK?

6. Why did the government feel it was necessary to deny that Dominic Cummings – one of the main advocates of ‘herd immunity’ strategy despite not being a scientist let alone an epidemiologist (first degree = Ancient and Modern History ) argued that ‘if some pensioners die before their time, so be it.’?

7. Why did Boris not use the 3-week window of opportunity when Covid-19 his S.E. Asia to review the government report from its own 2017 Exercise Cygnus which said that the UK was not equipped to cope with ‘a moderate ‘flu pandemic’ and use the 3 weeks to stock up on necessary PPE for medical staff and ventilators for patients?

8. Why did Boris reject offers from UK-based ventilator-making firms to sell their latest round of production to the UK government? With no offer from UK government this kit was quickly bought by other countries?

9. Why did Boris, while ignoring offers of kit from established UK firms, commission two companies which have no previous experience of making ventilators – Dyson and JCB – to start making ventilators for the UK? Could their being awarded this contract be anything to do with the fact that both companies are headed by CEOs who are big Tory-party donors?

10. Why did Boris reject the opportunity offered by the EU to pool procurement costs for necessary ventilator equipment despite the fact that the UK is one of the most under-resourced big economies in the EU for intensive care beds and ventilators having approximately only a quarter of the capacity that Germany has? Why did his office first say ‘we’re not in the EU anymore’ as a reason and then change it to he didn’t receive the email invite as it went to his spam folder?

11. Why did Boris downgrade World Health Organisation recommendations for what constitutes necessary protective personal equipment (PPE) for front-line medical staff working with highly contagious Covid-19 patients? The lack of PPE for medical personnel is evident in the numbers of doctors, nurses and care assistants who are contracting the illness and dying from it.

12. Why did Boris encourage retired NHS staff, who by their older age and associated vulnerability of underlying age-related health conditions are more at risk of infection, back into front-line work with Covid-19 patients without ensuring these (and all other) medical staff had sufficient and effective, WHO recommended PPE? It is no coincidence that the reported deaths of Drs from Covid-19 tend to be over 50 years old, some having come out of retirement to volunteer (e.g. Dr Alfa Saadu, 68 years old who died last week; Dr Anton Sebastianpillai in his 70s, Dr Abdul Mabud Chowdhury 53, and Dr Jitendra Rathod, 58 who all died this week from Covid-19 contracted while tending the sick).

13. Why do we have a steeply rising infection rate and death toll (currently standing at 65,077 confirmed cases and 7,978 Covid-19 deaths in hospital (so not counting those who have died at home or in care homes in that total in the UK as of 5pm on Wednesday 8th April 2020) when we compare this to South Korea which has a comparable size population (51.5 million people compared to 66.65 million in UK) who live predominantly in apartment blocks in highly urbanised areas, and has a total of 10, 423 confirmed Covid-19 cases and a total of only 204 – yes two-hundred and four deaths compared to our nearly eight-thousand and rising deaths?

14. Why the UK’s COVID-19 trajectory looks so bad that World-leading disease data analysts, The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle, have projected that the UK will become the country worst hit by the coronavirus pandemic in Europe, accounting for more than 40% of total deaths across the continent and predicts 66,000 UK deaths from Covid-19 by August, with a peak of nearly 3,000 a day, based on a steep climb in daily deaths early in the outbreak?