BS: Coviciousness

Subject: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 06:43 PM

News items I've seen today:

6 ambulances in Ramsgate, Kent, get holes drilled in their tyres by vandals.

Police in Yorkshire get spat at en masse by a mob of dozens of motorcyclists.

A bunch of teenagers in a village two miles from me hurl stones at a bus (now only carrying essential workers) and smash its windows.

A landlady in Edinburgh and a landlord in London summarily evict tenants because they're frontline NHS workers.

NHS staff get physically attacked for doing their job and anybody looking Oriental in public risks getting ukipped in the face.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 07:46 PM

Jeeze is a ukip the same as a codwhalloping?

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 07:47 PM

Coronavirus is changing how we work. Online scammers are taking advantage

Lifesavers 'harassed' by beachgoers defying crowd bans over covid19 fears following on from this incident Bondi Beach closed over crowds amid coronavirus pandemic

We've had people avoiding & insulting people of Chinese descent (or people who look like they are) A Malaysian student returned from New Year celebrations to find her landlady had put her possessions in the garden & left a nasty notice on the door. cartoon: chinese restaurant Open For Business

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 20 - 08:22 PM

Yeah. Hey Donuel, would you care to retract your slur against those Chinese people you went to dinner with?

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 04:44 AM

Stories like the OP will emerge, sadly many much as reported, though Fakebook will promulgate its usual crop of scurrilous crap that becomes de facto believed.

These are difficult times, there will be desperate people and the scum of society will find ways of using it for more than just surviving.

The old &/or confused will be targeted. There are plenty of random acts of kindness around, sadly also cover for the miscreants.

We should be looking out for each other............

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 04:56 AM

The ambulances had tyres slashed - -fact
regardless of what farce book has to say

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 05:03 AM

Rueters/BBC report Harvey Weinstein has COVID-19

we are indeed living in interesting times.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 05:30 AM

YOU CAN ADD THIS TO THE LIST just so anybody forgets is's not all mindless vandalism
Greed come into it too, and this was one of the early examples
AND ANOTHER
NOT JUST BRITAIN OF COURSE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 06:42 AM

Well if we vote for governments that normalise behaving like self-entitled little shits, then we are only getting what we deserve. To recycle a much used quote - get over it. (irony)

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 07:22 AM

"behaving like self-entitled little shits"
Don't think it's as easy as that in a society where 'entitlements' a few and often are a matter of survival to those who need them
There are the mindless few who abuse them but most people are contented to take what they need
I don't thing thare are many workers with offshore accounts ans shell companies to avoid paying what they are due to
It's far too easy to claim we're all generated by greed at heart
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 08:15 AM

Taiwan has 100 cases of corona in a nation of 25 million because they believe in freedom of information.

On the other hand Trump changes the name of the virus to the Chinese foreign virus like nicknaming a political foe.
Even worse he did this https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-clas

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 08:40 AM

Thatcher systemically tore communities apart, and turned materialism and dog eat dog into a virtue. Where people find they are not among the elite that are benefit from this, feel entitle to take what they want in other ways - culture of poverty

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 08:50 AM

If you did not get tested you can be assured you are not considered to be an elite. Second class citizens without 'fuk u $' in this society are expendable.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 09:38 AM

One of our neighbours has a daughter who is a veterinary nurse and a shepherdess.
She keeps her flock of sheep in another village not too near ours.
Saturday night a group of lads got horribly drunk in that village and at midnight were creating mayhem around the place. No-one called the Police unfortunately. On Sunday morning she went to check on the flock and found one ewe lying dead with her head bashed in, and a yearling lamb with a ripped foot and a hole in his head.
She called the Police but they weren't interested.
The yearling is called Merlin, and the vet treated him. I think the hole in its head was due to a crossbow bolt, and the ripped foot was from trying to escape in a panic.
She has Merlin at home on a lead, and brought him to see us. Dear little chap.
I sat and cried. How utterly disgusting - I just can't put it out of my mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 10:50 AM

Teens held for 'coughing in face' of elderly couple

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 10:53 AM

A minor public affray offence, or attempted murder...???

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 04:35 PM

Hey OP, Jack Campin I'm fascinated by your selection of events, considering your personal approval of the assassination of certain persons...So were you approving of those events you enumerated?

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 07:56 PM

Thieves steal oxygen from Manchester hospital

Subject: RE: BS: Cold but true news
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 09:51 PM

Madrid: Ice rinks have clverly been turnd into morgues.

Th case against old people:
On a coldly economic level, one might still ask: so what? Let’s take the U.K. as an example, since they are the most prominent proponents of the “herd immunity” strategy. Say that nothing is done to halt the spread and attempts to isolate vulnerable populations like the elderly fail. The over-70 crowd is literally decimated by the virus: One in ten of the infected die. Say that for adults under 70, by contrast, the death rate is half a percent. By the time 60 percent of the population is infected, that would mean approximately 600,000 deaths across the U.K. That sounds awful — but given the concentration of casualties among the elderly, the excess death rate would surely be lower, as over 450,000 Britons over the age of 70 already die annually, and those most-likely to be felled by the virus are also those most likely to die of other causes. And these are hardly the economy's most productive citizens; the economic impact of them dying earlier might even be positive.
Moreover, if the elderly were simply denied medical intervention for any reason and limited to the simplest forms of palliative care during the duration of the crisis, we could probably keep the medical system from being overwhelmed and provide adequate care for those capable of returning to productive work.
*

I hope nobody would be comfortable making an argument like that explicitly. But it lurks in the background of the all-purpose dismissiveness voiced by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity about the seriousness of the virus (who are following the President’s lead in doing so), or in pieces like this one by Heather Macdonald at the conservative cultural journal The New Criterion. It is implicit more generally in any purely economic read on the crisis. The fact is that only a portion of modern health care is aimed at enhancing productivity; much of it aims at improving and lengthening the lives of those whose most productive years are largely behind them. If you don't have any non-economic reason for valuing those lives — like the value of their presence in the world to children, grandchildren, neighbors, and friends, or simply the inherent dignity of being human — then it is hard to argue for spending scarce resources on them in normal times, much less in times of crisis.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 03:24 AM

Katie Hopkins (English fascist newspaper hack) DID suggest that explicitly.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: BobL
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 03:42 AM

Being over 70 myself, I sure hope I don't get carried off by CV19.
I'd made plans for a jolly funeral (all Morris dancers in full kit please), an unceremonious lorry ride to the Crem won't be the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 04:04 AM

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

80+ years old =14.8%

70-79 years old = 8.0%

60-69 years old = 3.6%

50-59 years old = 1.3%

40-49 years old = 0.4%

30-39 years old = 0.2%

20-29 years old = 0.2%

10-19 years old = 0.2%

0-9 years old no fatalities

These figures are old.(Feb28) They may have changed.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 06:13 AM

At what point to the mortality rates correlate with triage decisions regarding rationing of hospital and care resources.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 06:48 AM

In the US the effect of the worst leadership possible would be be about an extra 1 million lives lost . The best possible leadership is harder to model but it is still far from ideal,

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: leeneia
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 02:29 PM

Just yesterday somebody in authority in my city thought to ask how the homeless are going to isolate at home.
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Today I heard the first intelligent thing I've ever heard from Donald Trump. Roughly "Let's not make the cure worse than the disease." Probably not original, but it doesn't have to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 02:49 PM

Iceland vans torched in Bristol minutes after PM's lockdown order


This crisis is a playground for Killer Cretins...

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: mg
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:40 PM

why in an epidemic are there morgues? Except for perhaps very brief periods. Bodies need to be rapidly taken to final disposition, with no persons exposed more than absolutely necessary. I presume final disposition would be cremation, but I read a WHO that suggested mass graves. We must protect the living. There can be video memorials, web sites in their memory etc. but not one person infected due to our laxity or traditions.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 04:18 AM

why in an epidemic are there morgues?

Just for accountability, and autopsy. Mind you analysis of death (in the UK) can be by-passed if the doctor thinks the death can be explained. This, in more usual times, would be those dying in hospital. And after the Dr Harold Shipman shock horror things were tightened-up.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 04:35 AM

Coffs Harbour man charged after COVID-19 ‘prank’ at police station

here in Oz, an idiot filmed his idiot mate coughing on a police employee while saying he had covid19 - he was charged with “stalk/intimidate intend fear physical harm, and resist or hinder police officer in the execution of duty”.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:20 AM

Transport the bastard - but not to here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:33 PM

Regarding the Trump sentence quoted by leenia, the previous sentence was "I want everyone to go to Easter services I have such a feeling for Easter and then everyone should go back to work the following Monday, we've had flu before and we never shut down the country, we can't make the cure worse than the problem."

The problem is that in two weeks the country will be at an all time peak of infected citizens. I know he is worried about his empty hotels and golf courses but having us triple infections really won't help.


btw My Insulin prices went up 3000 %. thats kinda viscious

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 07:04 PM

The only reason Trump doesn't like this cure is because six of his seven profitable hotels and casinos were shuttered. He's watching his bottom line most closely and this is the prefect illustration why he should have put it all in a blind trust.

Today's piece of mail was a postcard to tout "President Trump's Coronavirus Guidelines for America." Like he has something to do with it, as he doesn't understand the science and works against the guidelines. All it is for him is free advertising. The Affordable Care Act was called just that until the GOP derisively called it "Obamacare." So Obama grabbed it and turned the pejorative around. Trump, on the other hand, is just trying to get reelected.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 07:15 PM

Vandals smashed in the windows of a fishmonger and wholesale fishmarket in Edinburgh just after Bozo's lockdown announcement.   They're on CCTV so it probably won't take long to find them.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: gillymor
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 08:26 PM

Here's one reason why Trump fears "the cure"- Trump owned companies banned from aid in stimulus bill
Of course, until the aid bill was rewritten and the 500 billion dollar slush fund for corporations was given measures to ensure transparency at the behest of Senate Democrats, Trump, in his own words, was to provide the oversight. Shudder.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 08:29 PM

we've seen some very clear CCTV of very persistent toilet paper thieves from at least one of the loading zones in different suburbs they robbed!

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: mg
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 08:38 PM

i hope there are drones flying around taking pictures.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 12:01 AM

One thing we know about viruses is that they mutate. That's why they have to craft a new flu shot every year. The Covid virus could be mutating to be worse for us, or it could be getting better for us. I suppose that some could be going one way, some hundreds of miles away could be going the other.

That might explain why the occurrence of Covid is so patchy.

Another thing I know: I have a friend who works in a huge Midwestern hospital. As of last Sunday, it had seven Covid patients. It had set up a new ICU for Covid patients, and as of Sunday, it was empty.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 12:30 AM

Video from the Tribeca area on Manhattan shows the high-end stores boarding up like for a hurricane. They're putting up plywood then painting - no doubt they fear looters. Perhaps the black paint provides a good contrast for CCTV cameras in the area. The video was shot in front of Jimmy Choo.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 06:06 AM

There are TED.com videos on viruses that explain how deadly viruses can mutate to be relatively benign. If the virus kills its host it can not spread. If herd immunity slows it up, evolution will favour it as benign.

Nice theory, but it takes years. A recent Royal institution YouTub vid showed the progress of Spanish 'flu. It reached its peak before Nov 11 1918. And sorry US, but Kansas was mentioned as ground zero for the epidemic. Most countries called it by the name of another country except Japan where patent zero was a Sumo wrestler so it was called the Sumo 'flu.
See graphs & humour COVID-19, only London is shown for Feb/Mar 1919 (3rd wave).

(Sir) Peter Poit, head of the Uni college London School of Health & Tropical Medicine 2018 . & . the Q&A after is much shorter . & . Peter Poit on COVID-19. First is looooooooong, the other two are 15 mins & 22 mins.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 06:58 AM

The new thing in London is mugging NHS staff (nurses in particular) for their ID lanyards, to take advantage of the freebies offered by supportive businesses to help them. NHS workers are being advised not to wear the lanyards routinely in public.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 09:08 AM

Merlin the lamb that survived the attack is doing well, and our shepherdess neighbour took him back to another field to be with his mates.
But he did a giant poo in her car which apparently stank to high heaven.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 10:13 AM

he protested!

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 01:47 PM

I'm a very progressive lefty/liberal, apart from law 'n' order..

Then I go severe hard-line flog and keelhaul 'em..

Good to see the police out in force in the town centre,
cracking down on drunk stoned street scum..

Hope they got the five sat on a bench partying with cheap booze and skunk...
watching while, just down the road, a 'gentleman' outside Tesco Express
was being 'encouraged to behave himself', and not fight with a team of cops..

Yeah.. it's funny how shop security with walkie talkies refer to them as 'gentlemen'...

At least I didn't get mugged for my precious pack of bog rolls...

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 01:53 PM

Our village shop has CCTV, and late every night a mysterious woman creeps into their yard at the front and opens the plastic bin where they put the unsold newspapers. She takes the blooming lot, which costs them money as they can get a refund for them.
They put the footage on our Village Facebook, and say they know who she is - she lives in the village! If she does it any more they'll be contacting the Police.
Everyone is saying she's making toilet paper squares out of it.
This little shop is valiantly keeping us supplied with essentials and even delivering to the old and vulnerable.
I'd like to give this woman a piece of my mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 08:32 PM

every night? is she making squares for a zillion people ... the mind boggles, but I suppose if folks are hoarding packages of toilet roll, maybe she is hoarding squares

definitely not a "neighbour"

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 08:36 PM

I meant to add this cartoon page for a giggle when needed

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 11:17 PM

this is not a giggle
insurer plans to exclude people who die from COVID-19 Key Points
    A leaked document shows major insurer TAL adding coronavirus exclusions to some new insurance policies
    One insurance broker said he was "shocked" by the move, but TAL said it only applied to a small number of policies
    The exclusions do not affect people who already have life insurance through TAL, or those who are insured through their super

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 11:16 AM

I'd like to give this woman a piece of my mind!

Don't get too close to the little sh!t. On two counts.

But seriously, if it has a monetary value, why leave it outside in a bin? Is it for collection by the newspaper deliverers to exchange?

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 12:19 PM

When I was post grad in the late 1980s,
I had an agency job as driver's mate
on a paper recycling lorry.. [a proper full size lorry..]

Daily picking up full truckloads of unsold papers, magazines, books,
from all around London and outskirts..
To dump off at an East London recycling centre..

Everyday I was 'allowed' pick of the pile to take home to read..
A fair perk of a badly paid hard manual labouring job..

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 12:22 PM

If that paper recycle centre still operates, they might need armed security right now...???

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 01:30 PM

Yes Mr Red, after closing in the evening, the shop puts all unsold newspapers in the plastic bin with a lift-up lid, and around 5am the van arrives with the new papers and takes away the old ones.
She's a very silly woman, because the entire village will shun her now that the video CCTV is on Facebook. Village life depends very much on mutual respect and a community spirit.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 10:01 PM

We crossed over this week: coronavirus is heaping cruelty upon cruelty Black Monday brought waves upon waves of frightening news (record job losses, NRL season over, Olympics won’t go ahead, Queensland to shut borders, 3,000 Australians stranded on cruise ships; pubs, cafe, licensed premises, gyms etc all shut at midday). There were heartbreaking sights: the streets all across the country empty, except for thousands and thousands of people queuing at a mandated social distance for Centrelink. The next day people started lining up at 4:30am.
The virus is invisible – but the economic devastation is a tragedy you could see. Each job loss represents a seismic explosion in an individual’s world. By the end of Monday at least 15% of people I know had lost a substantial portion of their income, or their jobs or businesses they had spent decades building up.
By Monday an estimated 88,000 people lost their jobs in the hospitality industry alone and tried to file for unemployment ... Suddenly jobless in my circle were yoga teachers, barmen, baristas, cafe owners, a university support worker, university cleaner, personal trainers, roadies, two tour managers for bands, freelance journalists, friends in PR and regional journalism, playwrights, coffee cart owners, sound engineers, winery owners, chefs, cinema operators, kitchen hands, film production crew, ushers at theatres, stage hands, driving instructors, those doing contract work for financial services, event organisers, florists and professional MCs ... There is cruelty heaped upon cruelty with this pandemic. The fear is not just the mortal fear of contracting what could be a deadly virus, the fear is losing your job and having no money, the fear is being evicted and made homeless, the fear is foreclosure, the fear is being separated from your family – whether interstate or overseas (or in my case, a town two hours away), the fear is bankruptcy and sacking your staff, the fear is your debt, the fear is for the education and anxiety of your children, the fear is for the health of your elderly parents, the fear is for your immunocompromised friends. It goes on(read on)

NRL = football, Centrelink = our national social security agency which will be starting to pay the newly unemployed at the end of April, not much use to the destitute. Folk can't complete their application on line, they need to call to get a reference no. (call centre can't cope & is getting more staff) & of course their computer system crashed at least once. System has been adjusted so now they don't need a ref no.

Our payment scheme for the newly unemployed is not as generous as schemes in other countries, & tens of thousands of workers aren't covered in any way.

extract from another guardian article - New Zealanders can live and work in Australia indefinitely on the special category visa, which they receive automatically upon arrival. But due to changes in 2001, they are ineligible for nearly all forms of welfare, including sickness allowance and the JobSeeker payment, as well as the National disability insurance scheme.
There are an estimated 650,000 New Zealanders living and working in Australia on this visa, many in casual or hospitality jobs either shut down or under threat due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
Those who have lost work and are facing financial hardship due to Covid-19 are ineligible for the JobSeeker allowance, and have found it virtually impossible to return to New Zealand. Even if they did, they would have to quarantine for two weeks and then go into the full lockdown that has been imposed around the country ...
The New Zealand prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, has also raised the issue directly with Australian prime minister Scott Morrison, calling for a “short-term exemption”.
“We are providing care to Australians here, we think it is the right thing to do,” Ardern said on Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: peteglasgow
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 05:29 AM

i'm wondering whether american service personnel based abroad have been required to return to the states.unlikely i know but wouldn't it be great for the rest of us to be spared their malign domination. and it would save the taxpayer billions to be much better spent on an effective public health care system to raise the country up to the level of all other evolved nations.   you may say I'm a dreamer......

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Iains
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 07:10 AM

the taxpayer billions to be much better spent on an effective public health care system to raise the country up to the level of all other evolved nations.   you may say I'm a dreamer...

No. Simply wrong.
expenditure per head EU for 2016 = 2773eur
UK expenditure = 3045eur or #10 out of 28 9.6% gross GDP
I doubt it truly incorporates the significant private health provision
in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 07:47 AM

is Australia the only place where folks spit & cough on police while saying they have coronavirus?

The latest was travelling at more than twice the speed limit on a suburban street, driving erratically. When she was eventually detained she was charged with dangerous driving, speeding, driving while disqualified, and assault & refused bail article

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 08:02 AM

That's occurred in several places around the UK in the last few days. We obviously didn't transport enough of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 12:41 PM

a few amusing (relevant) photos to cheer you up (updated today)

Enjoy

Subject: RE: BS: Coviciousness
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 08:00 PM

Israel demolishes a Palestinian coronovirus clinic