BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 May 20 - 09:28 PM

Just whay we need. Rabbit Ebola.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 May 20 - 02:32 AM

Dr. Agent-Orange MD at it again, recommending Hydroxychloroquine and boasting that he takes it to prevent being infected by Covid-19.

‘This will kill you’:

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 20 - 07:21 AM

Dr. Strangevil declared the highest number of infections and death has earned the USA a Badge of Honor.

Also down is up. evil is good, death is best and ignorance is genius.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 20 - 11:32 AM

Oh for cryin' out loud.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/trump-worlds-most-coronavirus-cases-badge-of-honor-good-bad-thing.amp

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 20 - 11:43 AM

And worse: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/national-guard-deployments-to-fight-coronavirus-will-end-day-before-benefits-kick-in.html

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 20 - 11:55 AM

And different:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/europe/coronavirus-mink-netherlands-testing-intl/index.html

The bat at the Mudcat Tavern is happy to read this.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 May 20 - 01:31 PM

Somebody help me out here....

One of the legitimate uses for hydroxychloroquine is the treatment of lupus. But lupus patients are having a hard time getting their prescriptions filled because of a shortage caused by people using the drug as an unproven and very dubious treatment for COVID-19.

What I would like to know is this:

Hydroxychloroquine is a regulated prescription drug. The only way to get it is if a doctor signs a prescription. So how are enough people getting hold of it to create a shortage? Are doctors not ethically barred from prescribing potentially harmful drugs when there is no evidence that they will benefit a patient? Has advertising prescription drugs to the general public so broken the system that a patient feels he has a right to simply tell a doctor what drug to prescribe? And does the doctor then just write the scrip, consequences be damned?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 20 - 01:39 PM

You probably don't know many doctors, Royals, Reality TV stars, CEO's or Congressmen.
They can all be surprisingly stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 May 20 - 03:48 PM

You're right, Don. I guess I tend to believe that doctors are inherently intelligent and moral creatures. Probably watched too many episodes of "Marcus Welby, MD."

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 May 20 - 04:04 PM

If you'd watched M*A*S*H you'd know there are quite a few Frank Burns out there.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 20 - 07:32 PM

While there were more screw ups on ER, my fav is House MD.
IRL how many docs prescribed OXY, Celebrex, Farixa (causes genital gangrene) or worse things...

There are more doctors who do not listen - than virus in 1 pound of soil. I can't prove that but you get my point.
Nurses are not hired to hawk snake oil, skin creams or Hydroxy cut.

And while I'm ranting, Covid 19 has exceeded the number of symptoms one disease should have. Its being more of a hog than Swine flu. :<[

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 20 - 08:23 AM

The Navaho nation in New Mexico is the largest hot spot in the country

My father married a pure Navaho
My people were ashamed where ever we go
The Indians said I was white by law
The White Man always called me "Indian Squaw"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We never settled, went from town to town
When you're not welcome you don't hang around
The other children always laughed at me
"Give her a feather, she's Navaho"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We weren't accepted and I felt ashamed
Nineteen I left them, tell me who's to blame
My life since then is reservations
But I can't run away from what I am
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
Si-lence, that's all that I hear
Si-Lence, with no intensive care
Si-lence, cuz the virus killed them all
Now one side's against me till the day that I fall

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 22 May 20 - 01:51 AM

I am very concerned about people just blowing off hydroxychloraquine and chloraquine (I will combine them here and call them HX) because trump endorsed it. And might profit from it. Of course he will. Although I would bet he would profit more off the very expensive remsivir??? HX is taken by millions of people per year. It has been around since the 1940s. It works in synergy with zinc and vitamin d is a good supplement. They know what the safety parameters are in a non-diseased population, in a population with malaria and a population with lupus or RA. They don't know parameters of it taken with other medicines, vitamins, etc. They don't know everything about treating other diseases yet. They probably do not know the optimal dose. They probably don't know at what stage of the disease it is most effective, and the varying doses needed per stage. Many countries that use it believe earlier will prevent advanced stages in many people. So there is much that is known and much that is not known. You do have to throw spaghetti at the wall in a violent, fatal pandemic. They say doctors and pharmacists are getting prescriptions for themselves and families and contributing to the shortage. They should protect the supply for people with lupus, although faced with a painful but not immediately fatal disease vs. imminent death, it would be a hard choice. I have read, confirm for yourself, that it is very cheap, broadly manufactured, manufactured in places with high standards, such as switzerland etc. Producing too much would not be a problem because it could be used for malaria. Read up on the usage in other countries. Read what doctors say. Keep Trump totally out of the picture. If he says applesauce works you can bet he has cornered the applesauce market and will profit. Ignore trump, read what the doctors say, and ask again and again how many of these terrible heart problems are they actually seeing ? Some to be sure. Should give EKG first if there is time. There has not been time to do everything perfectly. Giving it to someone to prevent malaria vs. giving it to someone on death's door is two different things. Read everything you can and don't politicize this and write off what seems to be a life-saving medicine. And I am not really into abuse and I will as usual screen through to be sure I don't read what one person has to say and be cautious about others.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 20 - 07:10 AM

When you are first told there is nothing you can do but hide, it is reassuring to do somthing. I wouldn't take away anyone's symbol of hope be it prayer or an inoculous promise of help.

The trouble begins with harmful promises. If a low dose non injurious treatment by green laser light, the same one at strength used in surgury, was proven to help I too might take the risk. When a treatment was proven unsafe in the hands of people who think more is better I would not take the risk.

Overall, trusting a Shaman, disabled president or a hunch is not the way to go for the enlightened.

You are free to choose to be enlightened or an idiot. Some people do not have a choice.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 22 May 20 - 10:13 AM

I am very concerned about people just blowing off hydroxychloraquine and chloraquine .......write off what seems to be a life-saving medicine.

There. Is. No. Evidence. That. Either. Drug. Is. Of. Any. Value. In. Treating. Coronavirus.

Has nothing to do with the opinion of the turd in the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 May 20 - 11:53 AM

Exactly, Mossback.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 20 - 03:57 PM

NOT exactly .
Resdemivir is an anti viral drug developed in the fight against Ebola and has the scientific 'blessing' of Dr. Fauci and others. It is known when it is most efficatious, as it blocks viral infection of additional cells.    Let the trumpers buy up all the hydroxy and leave the resdem for us. :~}

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 May 20 - 06:48 AM

the problem with any drug that people think will work. It can become the de facto, the go to, and people en mass may not look to other things. Like ones that have some evidence-based efficacy.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 May 20 - 08:42 AM

It does weird clotting things to placentas: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/health/placenta-covid-19-wellness/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 20 - 03:16 PM

Your mission if you decide to accept it, is to finesses a quarter to half a million people to kill themselves for the benefit of the treasury dept. We will disavow any knowledge of your mission.
Operation 'reopen' should prove more ambitious than the failed self deportation and build the wall missions. We suggest you begin by fomenting war betwen the govenors.
This post will self destruct in one view.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 May 20 - 07:03 PM

I've been looking at various data sites, and Virginia seems to have about a third of the average/typical death rate, roughly .02 to everybody else's .06.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 20 - 09:30 PM

No proof but Virginia probably lies better. It is nearly impossible to get the # of infections perfectly between (.02-.03) even with perfect testing. But its better to be lucky than right. My county has more dead than the entire state of VA?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 May 20 - 11:03 AM

Charlottesville itself has 4%.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 20 - 07:27 PM

localities are harder to manipulate than fed controled numbers from the states. Egad I sound like a conspiracy dude.
You do relize Trump has the pandemic numbers official classified.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:31 AM

The President of Austria, Alexander van der Bellen, has been fined for breaking the country's current rules re. Corona virus "lock-down". According to the BBC, a policeman noticed the President and his guests at a Restaurant after midnight, although such premises have to close by 11pm. The President has both apologised, and agreed to pay the fine and reimburse the Restaurant's owner should he too be fined. How different from the home lives of our own dear leaders. He should have worn a very expensive and distinctive waistcoat, so that the Polis would know his place.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:45 AM

Asa Hutchinson "americans need to be disiplined to face reopening"
???
We NEED to reopen our churches, brothels, tattoo parlors and casinos
No matter what people want

Twitter has begun to add fact checking links to Trump Tweets in the interest of public health and safety.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 May 20 - 01:35 PM

Well, my poor poor sister has regressed considerably. (I got an update this morning.) Her lungs are filling up all night long and she's fighting for every breath, so isn't sleeping. She can hardly dress herself with the exhaustion and weakness.
Anyone getting fed up with staying at home and social distancing etc should read her emails. They're heartbreaking. If people could only see what this illness can do, they'd obey the rules and support their continuation as long as necessary.
It isn't just 'surviving' the thing, it's the possibly permanent damage to one's health that is very concerning.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 20 - 01:45 PM

I've not heard of such an extensive exerience of covid 19 before.
Did she mention anything about reinfection or other diagnosis?
May she
get well soon ALREADY!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 May 20 - 03:48 PM

Thank you so much Donuel.
I've heard of many people who just can't seem to get rid of the lung problem. I sometimes look at Mumsnet (mainly women's comments) and there's a thread there called 'Covid Lungs'. The thread has filled to the 1000 maximum several times, with countless women still struggling several weeks/months after contracting Covid19.
I think, from what my sister has said, that the virus actually damages the lung tissue, and this can cause lasting health problems.
All the more reason for everyone to Stay Safe, stick to Lockdown and obey the rulings. It's tedious, but these health repercussions are so much worse.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 May 20 - 07:57 AM

This makes an interesting point - loud music in pubs is a hazard, since it forces people to shout, which spreads the virus. The same must go for all gatherings with high amplification.

Superspreader events

I found the recent accounts of spread in American meat packing plants interesting - they say it's because they're noisy and workers have to shout. When I worked in one of the biggest abattoirs in the world in the 1970s, NOBODY shouted - you walked up to people if you had something to say. The reason being that it was SO noisy that shouting was hopeless.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 May 20 - 09:47 AM

Sending best thoughts as always, Eliza
Charlie X

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 May 20 - 10:59 AM

Thank you so much Charlie!
She has always been such a powerhouse of energy, with many activities and physical sports, and it's so worrying how weak and helpless she's become. I thought she was nearly back to normal, but now this.
At least she is very popular in her Scottish village in Tayside and everyone is rallying round with deliveries and support.
It's a dire warning isn't it to do everything one can to avoid getting this blooming Lurgy?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 May 20 - 05:06 PM

J'en suis navré(e) ma chère Senoufou! I had been worrying. I hear truly nasty things about recovering after being really deeply ill with this virus, permanent organ damage, horrible stuff. La pauvre. And poor you, too.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:26 PM

Jack, thanks for the comments about noisy environments and shouting. Along those lines, I'll mention that the bishops of my church are against resuming services, and one reason is that people singing can send germs 26 feet. Surely they must mean opera singers, but still...

I have read that another problem with the packing plants is that the workers are so close together.
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Senoufou, I'll say a prayer for your sister. I hope her former athletic and energetic activities provide a strong foundation of good health which will enable to overcome this new challenge.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:36 PM

Senoufou we send our best wishes to your sister.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:46 PM

Thank you Mrrzy, leeneia and Bonzo for your kind wishes. It's lovely to have your support on here. I'm many hundreds of miles away from my sister, and her daughters too are far away in Edinburgh and can't get to see their mum. She said in her e mail that she can't even talk on the phone.
Obviously, many people recover well,and others have no symptoms and don't realise they've had 'it'. I'm not sure about this 'easing of the lockdown' which the UK government is setting in motion.
People may do as they wish, but I'm a bit scared to expose myself to catching Covid19 and will probably continue to stay away from public places.
I sincerely hope everyone on Mudcat stays safe too.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 20 - 08:20 AM

Los Vegas prostitutes are now offering curb side pick up.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 20 - 10:26 AM

And the bat from the Tavern is happy to read about pangolins again!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:16 AM

If you remember the pandemic it continues at a 11% rise. There is no flattening of a curve.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:09 AM

"Surely they must mean opera singers ... "

Remember, Leeneia, that a solo singer is one thing,
but a choir/chorus of singers is quite another.
Ask the music director of a really serious church choir
or of a community or professional chorus --
don't take my word for it.

Where I am staying, once or twice a week
a chorus director, professional caliber, pays a visit
and he and I talk about many things.
He can tell you
that choruses of singers throughout this great land
are being silenced because of the fear of coronavirus.

There are some tragic stories out there ,
the director told me one such,
about a chorus rehearsal with no masks or handwashing or anything,
as a consequence of which
four chorus members died of COVID-19
and many more were stricken.
If what Eliza/Senoufou is relating applies to these people,
some of them will find it difficult to impossible
to sing the way that they used to sing.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Thompson
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 06:17 PM

I'm very sorry to hear about your sister, Senoufou. If she lies on her front (though maybe not while sleeping - I don't know?) it's supposed to give the lungs a better chance to fill up with oxygenated air than if she's lying on her back.

If anyone is interested in donating a fiver, there's a collection for the Navajo and Hopi people - it's probably linked in this piece here about how Irish people are donating in large numbers, as a kind of pass-it-on payback for the decency of the Choctaw, who collected money and sent it to us during the Famine.

What one reliable authority here, Luke O'Neill, is saying is that it's almost impossible to catch the virus outdoors, but people should mask up when indoors; shouting, running and sweating make you puff out more nasty virusy breath if you're infected.

I've also heard that the majority of infections are caused by 'super-spreaders', which is supposed to make limit the infection easier, though I don't see how unless they're incarcerated like the unfortunate Mary Malone, 'Typhoid Mary'.

Subject: E: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 07:47 PM

I am in no way recommending this so check it out yourselves, but someone sent me something about lying over an exercise ball relieving some of the lung stress. it was put out by a physical therapist.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:34 PM

About as effective as chloroquine.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:52 AM

The protests cannot be good for curve-flattening...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:54 AM

Just read George Floyd tested positive on autopsy.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 08:47 AM

Thank you Thompson for your kindness. I expect she has tried various positions/ways to improve her breathing (she's a retired consultant anaesthetist, so knows about O2 levels and so on). Her latest e mail yesterday said she has used a pulse-oxymeter thingy, and her levels are quite low. Also, her lungs are filling up again, but she's managing to clear them each morning by heavy coughing.
She's naturally quite depressed at the thought that she might never regain the robust health she enjoyed recently before this virus (she's a lot younger than me).
Please everyone, keep vigilant and try to prevent ever catching the blooming plague!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 10:18 AM

George Floyd was symptom-free and the virus played no part in his death. Needs saying.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:14 PM

Exactly Steve. Insinuating perhaps that 'he would have died anyway'?
Sister has just e mailed this afternoon to say she tottered out to her car (Ford Focus) to go for a brief spin and recharge the battery. She felt uplifted to see the Scottish countryside, and stopped at a re-opened garden centre, bought one or two plants and went home.
Breathing a bit better, but the weakness still debilitating.
This may be an improvement - sincerely hope so!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:58 PM

Insinuating perhaps that 'he would have died anyway'?

That precise canard - that "people would have died anyway" has been and still is a major Republican talking point.

The "party of Lincoln" (yeah, right) really has devolved into absolute shit.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:06 PM

It was just a new datum. Nothing about cause of death. He may have infected the cops, though.