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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 01:52 PM

Sorry, Maggie, but only the first source you quote isn't either popular "science" or tendentious evangelism. The first one seems to hinge on viruses invariably being spread in airborne droplets. The actual size of a virus particle is hundreds of times smaller than the ones captured by the best particle-trapper cited in the article, and you are ignoring what I said about the aggravated spread of virus from improperly-handled used masks. And an infected person, out and about not knowing that they are infected, would pollute their mask within seconds of putting it on. Yes, masks stop some droplets. But then what? Whip it off, chuck it on the dashboard until you get to the next shop. Then put it back on, using your fingers on the fabric to bend the wire back round your nose. And not all virus will be in droplets, and droplets evaporate. I'm not campaigning to get rid of masks and I wear a mask according to the rules wherever I go. The really wilfully stupid thing is to look at data with the intention of getting it to prove what you already believe. As I said a couple of posts ago, any one of us can easily find sources that claim that masks are a good thing and others that claim that masks are a bad thing. There is plenty of scope on both sides for getting it wrong, which is why vacuous unqualified statements such as "masks save lives" get my goat somewhat. I know how hard it is to be totally neutral and even-handedly sceptical when looking at data, but that's the way I was trained. Ask Joe about me, him and God...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 12:15 PM

It is reported today that “Health Secretary Matt Hancock offered to get vaccinated live on television to help convince people the coronavirus jab is safe.”
Those who remember an earlier minister, John Gummer, being shown feeding a beef burger to his daughter to persuade people that eating beef would not give them bovine spongiform encephalopathy [“mad cow disease”], may be less easily convinced.
I am not aware that his daughter became ill as a result, but 177 British people not only caught the disease, but died from it,


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 12:00 PM

Geez, Louise, some of you are being willfully stupid about masks.

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2

Masks Save Lives

Facemasks: What the Data Say

Masks Save Lives.org


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 11:24 AM

The shingles vaccine was surprisingly achey. Mrzzy you are not a lab rat to take covid vaccines, but you do risk contamination in manufacture. However in a perfect world you would be paid $50 grand to take it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 11:11 AM

Anybody taking vaccine for covid in the next, oh, 5 years *is* being a lab rat / guinea pig / experimental subject.

My dad used to warble If you have to take vaccine, take it orally / for you know the other way can most painful be...

I am looking forward to the data we will get from these experiments, though. No other way to test that I can think of. And with my lack of risk factors I got time before the jabs roll around to me, so thanks to all y'all willing to be guinea pigs for the likes of me.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 10:15 AM

Steve - I want a vaccine asap, but...

.. by the time my demographic 60 - 65 gets called in for a jab,
I'm hoping it is truly safe and effective.

.. and not just 'safe enough' for boris to blow his own 'Britain first in the world' trumpet fanfare..

Pragmatic me can understand the tories trialing the over 80s as mass guinea pigs for pre xmas tory good cheer PR..,
but I'm concerned NHS and care home/social workers
are also being hurriedly used as lab rats for this first run of Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine...???????


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:59 AM

"My own health has deteriorated due to being stubbornly reluctant to risk setting foot in my GP surgery."

I'm in exactly the same boat.

I'm not sure what a Labour government would have done different and I think it's pretty pointless to surmise. The dreadful clampdowns and long-term misery the country is enduring - along with a huge number of deaths, especially of the elderly - are squarely the fault of this Tory government. The lockdown was delayed, therefore needing to be more severe, the NHS was unready and under-resourced, they sent untested old people back into homes from hospitals in droves, the rollout of testing was scandalously bad, PPE provision was crap, billions have been wasted on a track-and-trace that is totally unfit for purpose, beaches and resorts were allowed to be swamped by tourists from all over the country, a useless tier system, unpoliced of course, led to another lockdown... Any bets on the vaccine rollout being efficient and fair?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:54 AM

We have always lived by calculated risk anyway. I broke quarantine over tooth pain and my wife over a death in the family. To each their own.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:40 AM

While I am not claiming immunity from the syndrome called Covid fatigue
you guys are showing all the initial symptoms. Your blamegame won't kill anyone but letting down your guard will. When common sense is compromised mistakes are more easily made. Take care and stay safe all.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:18 AM

Steve - we've all been buggered raw by this last year of pandemic.

I've not see my mum since February,
and have some really difficult decisions hanging over me,
to make about her with adult social services.

My own health has deteriorated due to being stubbornly reluctant to risk setting foot in my GP surgery.

The UK vaccine news just announced today may be a genuine positive game changer,
but naturally enough I distrust any 'good news' trumpeted from our tory govt..

However I'm not convinced a more honest and transparent Labour govt
would have performed much better during pandemic,
and not needed to make similarly drastic draconian decisions
for our own safety and longer term chances of survival...?????


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 09:00 AM

In another thread Donuel bemoans the misuse of the word incredible. I think you are both misusing the word inconvenient.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 08:33 AM

Yep, this pandemic is a bit inconvenient, innit..

Just to think.. we are all descendants
of the survivors of that century ago pesky flu bug...

How many, 100 years from now, will be able to say the same thing
about their great grandad and granma
being sensible or lucky enough to stay alive during covid...???


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 07:57 AM

Man points vial of pandemic virus at Jack "Your inconveinence or your life".......Well?...
Jack finally says "I'm thinking".


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 07:27 AM

No you don't what?


Controlling people's lives, throwing millions out of work, wrecking thousands of small businesses, telling folk they can't leave their homes, shutting down schools for months, telling them they can't see their families for many a long month, trapping and isolating old people in care homes*, threatening the mental health of millions... Yep, it's all about "helping" people, innit...

*Yep, I'm biased. Since early March and through to late October I saw my profoundly deaf mum just a handful of times through a perspex screen. Before that I used to go to her room in the home to sit with her four or five times a week, and I'd take her out for drives and shopping and cups of tea. At least I was allowed to be at her side in hospital as she died.

I don't want to be in a world that thinks it's fine to treat people like this.


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Subject: RE: BSilly shit on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 06:14 AM

No I don't.

I did assume the unspoken foundation of all Covid 19 threads was about helping people.
For example you can not get Covid 19 from vaccines. Yes your arm will ne sore and you may even get a short term fever but that is your immune system working.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 05:13 PM

Maybe a difference twixt you and me, Jeri. You google "proof that masks work." I googled "evidence for mask wearing." We can both find opinion (not proof) either way, and I admitted that. You seek confirmation bias...?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 05:05 PM

Think about it, Dick. You can justifiably claim that a mask will stop some droplets (though what then happens to the trapped viruses in those droplets is fully at the mercy of the mask owner). What you can't claim is that wearing masks saves lives or that not wearing masks kills people. Your opinion can lean one way or the other, but evidence cannot be available, and claims either way are specious. Now what time is Spooks on...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 04:58 PM

Dick, do you need help with a Google search? Try going to this magic website, and type in the words "proof that masks work" (you can copy and paste that). After that, you can pick the links of hits you want to read.

I hope this helps.

Oh - try going to the links to WHO (World Health Organization) of CDC (Centers for Disease Control) first. They're usually pretty informative.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 04:37 PM

stilly river sage, can you provide us with the evidence please. i wear a mask but there is lots of conflicting stories about their success in stopping the spread of covid 19,perhaps some masks are more effective than others lets have the data


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 04:02 PM

Be like me and watch Spooks repeats on Drama. I didn't understand it then and I don't understand it now but I love it...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 02:11 PM

Depends how it's expressed..

Maybe I spend far too much time late at night
'researching' malignant crackpot far right, and dodgy misguided liberal,
youtube channels...???


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:47 PM

Well I doubt that too many of those are here, and, if they do put their heads above the parapet, we'll take them on. Incidentally, I don't think that expressing doubt in a measured way or asking for more evidence is being "negative ..."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:33 PM

Steve - I can't say my scepticism is too different to yours..

I'll put up with the discomforts of wearing masks,
in the absence of any other better proven tangible self defense
against the potentially lethal mass morons in society..

Where we differ, is I'll keep doubtful negative opinions on masks quietly to myself.

When liberal/lefty smartarses like us air our doubts publicly,
all that does is further legitimise and enable
the selfishly undisciplined far right libertarian anti masker covidiots...

They love it when we sound like we agree with them...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:12 PM

I challenged Donuel's assertion by questioning his lack of evidence. You make your assertion, telling me to google it, by telling me to "stop quibbling." You do have form when it comes to your rather aggressive mask promotion. In fact, there is little evidence that masks outside hospital settings save many lives. There are plenty of googlable reports (try the BMJ and the Royal Society, the first two that I saw when I obediently googled it) that conclude that the negatives outweigh whatever positives there are (as ever, I tend to avoid what newspapers or popular science magazines say). Much of what you can read about this, on both sides of the argument, is no better than informed opinion, which is not evidence. You certainly can't present direct evidence, in terms of numbers, that masks are saving lives, as you assert. I can't present evidence to the contrary, either. However, it's patently obvious, just by observing people's behaviour, that poor compliance with the rules for how masks should be used is rife. Not only that, it's highly likely that mask wearing gives a false sense of security to many people. I've noticed (without actually looking for trouble) that quite a lot of mask-wearers ignore social distancing in shops and neglect to clean either their hands or supermarket trolley handles on their way in. It's likely that they are largely the same people who misuse their masks. Once again, I'm simply questioning the efficacy of mask wearing in the community. I'm not an anti-mask campaigner or a rebel and I cheerfully do what most people do, i.e., wear a mask where required. If I feel sceptical about other people's assertions, I put my hands on my hips and say, where's your evidence? I don't accuse them of quibbling. Cheers.


This post contains unsubstantiated opinion and untrue information about the safety involved in wearing face masks during the time of COVID-19.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 12:00 PM

Injecting bleach into the mouth is a common step in a root canal procedure.

I don't know if its true, it just feels true: People with excruciating back pain are in general argumentative over stupid shit...

I wear a N-95 with a 2 or 3 layer mask outside to seal the edges.

I also have a heavy duty gold visor air tight helmet used for oil well fires. I haven't had the occaision to use it yet. Besides I don't have the insulated oxygen tank or rebreather but I have the fireproof pants and coat.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 11:03 AM

Hey antimaskers, are you drinking and injecting enough disinfectant to ensure you survive the pandemic...???

Have you considered ingesting antifreeze to get you through the winter...?????

A poisonous substance a day, keeps marxist feminist Satanist health scientist approved anti American masks away...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 09:49 AM

Stop quibbling. There is a lot of evidence now that masks are saving lives. That they protect both the wearer and anyone nearby, especially if that anyone is also wearing a mask. Google it.

Dr. Gupta from the University of Washington last night on MSNBC reiterated, the best are the three layer cloth masks, two-layer will work fairly well also. And three layer surgical masks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 09:23 AM

You have no evidence for that assertion. And even if it were true, it would be confounded by the routine mass misuse of masks: off with it, on with it. Stash it under your chin. Reuse it 'til it almost stinks. Stuff it in your pocket. Fiddle with the front of it. Scratch your nose through it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 07:27 AM

I never doubted that. I understand the hair splitting involved.
Masks themselves are not 90% effective but they do reduce an infectious viral load RISK by 90%. Thats often good enough to help.

Don't sweat the single virus particle.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 07:05 AM

The people who are brainwashed are the people who feel safe in a mask. And I do wear a mask.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 06:44 AM

The freedom of religionists, scofflaws, trumpists and brainwashed who don't wear masks should be encouraged to wear 'Faithmasks' for holiday services this year.    They would have a cross etc. on the mask.

I'll get me PPE


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:59 AM

You can soon listen to the author on a pbs link. I listened to it live today.

Even my little county is now gearing up with mobile morgues.
The nation has gone from 13 million infections to an expected 100 million infections by inauguration day.


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Subject: BS: The other pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 07:52 AM

NYT best seller on the pandemic

Government denial of the disease was tied to the sedition act and jailed publishers. They were allowed to print only positive messages like wear a mask. This may be why there is no literaure from those times.

Hemmoragic symptoms of bleeding from the eyes and mouth and a dark pallor made determining race unlikely. Psychosis was also a symptom.
Woodrow Wilson had those symptoms while in France and attending peace treaty talks.

Old people were vitually immune, kids under 5 had death rates equal to all causes of death over 20 years. People 18 to 45 had the next highest death rate.

People knew it was not the flu. The book uses the disease event records in many US cities and how Philly and San Fran fought back.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 20 - 08:06 AM

Without a vote on the budget the government is slated to shut down Dec. 11. We have been open on a flimsy continuing resolution as usual.

At the rate of ~200,000 new infections per day we are at a ~million new infections per week. (in the USA)
Some areas are using tent hospitals and mobile morgues.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 12:24 PM

To offer support to that statement, here is NPR looking at the state of unemployment insurance in the US.

12 Million To Lose Jobless Benefits The Day After Christmas Unless Congress Acts


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 07:31 AM

These are the good old days right now.

In 3 months we will see a massive effect of a near doubling of deaths and xponential growth in infection before the 'Biden' effect will take hold.

Nature has its lag time in the growing cold AFTER the shortest day of the year. It has a lag time in pandemics as well.

This is the time to redouble your own safety protocols, no matter how tired you are from it already.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 05:22 PM

Can you include those footnotes?

Fauci is doing a webinar here at UVA tomorrow. PM if you want the link. Noon mudcat time.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 09:49 AM

old news, but......

On 16 March, primary care magazine Pulse reported doctors were receiving out-of-date PPE that had had its 2016 use-by date covered with a sticker saying "2021".[211] In response, the government offered reassurance that this was safe.[212] Earlier in the month, in response to a survey of Pulse's readership, two of five GPs reported they still did not have PPE to protect them from coronavirus.[211] Some of these concerns were raised with Johnson during Prime Minister's Questions, to which the Prime Minister replied the UK had "stockpiles" of PPE.[213] The same day, the Doctors' Association UK (DAUK) reported NHS staff felt they were being put at risk due to lack of PPE.[214]


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 10:20 AM

Masks do apparently protect the wearer too. Good.

Multiple sources.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 09:31 AM

Your president seems intent on taking as many followers as he can
with him when he's finally driven out..

His anti-mask covid denying faithful are like one of those suicidal death cults
who drink fatal poison at their holy leaders bidding...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 09:15 AM

The ones that go in the deep freeze are faster to make but they don't have a step and expense of adding preservatives to them. The cold is the only way to preserve them. This was explained recently on an NPR news program.

HEALTH AND SCIENCE
California, Oregon and Washington issue Covid travel advisory urging 14-day quarantine


This is a joint program between the three states to try to lessen the infections between them.

    The governors of California, Oregon and Washington issued a joint coronavirus travel advisory on Friday urging people arriving to their states to self-quarantine for 14 days and asking residents to avoid all non-essential out-of-state trips.

    The Pacific Northwest states said essential travel includes people who are traveling for “work and study, critical infrastructure support, economic services and supply chains, health, immediate medical care and safety and security,” according to a statement.

    The Democratic governors also recommended that travelers limit their interactions with only people in their households.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 06:03 PM

serious question: what makes one vaccine need to be stored at extreme cold temps but not another?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 05:35 PM

Over 100 secret service members now have it thanks to Trump's campaigns.

But here is some new science on why some people get so sick while others don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 08:14 AM

Still waiting for news reports of prominent covid denier anti-masker
fatalities from the virus..

Or are they actually the strongest fearless Übermensch
they boast to be...???


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 07:54 AM

"In the US the covid death equivalent is 4 jumbo jets crashing every day killing everyone on board."

That was early in the week. Now the equivalent ia 6 jumbp jets crashing every single day.
The behavior of the impatient, the teenager, the maskless, the school kids and others are our weakest links to slowing the spread.
By January the death rate is on track to be 2,200 every day.
Since there are no ICU beds available in many states already, the covid dead outside of hospitals will probably not be counted.

I expect a vaccine to work as well as perfect behavior by our weakest links in slowing the infection rate.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 09:50 AM

Ok new news again: which do you think is riskiest/riskier/less risky:

1) take a bus with open windows for an hour [I thought this Riskier]
2) sit and eat in an enclosed space at a table for 10, indoors, no windows, 15-30 mn [I thought this Riskiest]
3) participate in a buddhist retreat for a full day, outdoors, with hundreds of others? [I had thought this least risky]

Well there are data! From mid-January in China where the same group from Wuhan did all those things. Video here but in French. But great graphics, worth looking at.

Turned out the worst, and by far, was the bus. One person on one bus infected almost everybody else on that bus, except most of those sitting right at the open windows.

Being at a table, even indoors and unventilated for 15-30 mn, infected few if any, same for being outdoors with people.

Excellent within-group research.

Also, no masks. One mask on that one person could have prevented *all* the infections.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 08:21 AM

In the US the covid death equivalent is 4 jumbo jets crashing per day killing everyone on board. People prefer to ignore the problem when permitted to do so by leaders. The mobile morgue refridgerated semi truck trailers can only hold 144 corpses each. One day grocery stores will use these same trailers for food.

We are at an all time high exponential infection rate. In some areas 1 in 30 are infected. Other areas vary to 1 in 100. The near vertical rise in infection will continue even if we slam on the brakes as firmly as possible but it will slow only slightly like the largest heaviest ship in the world at full speed.

Looking ahead there is hell to come for at least a year. But it will get better. Some will throw caution to the wind by impatience or accident. You can only improve your odds of staying infection free by 70%, thats only a C- .


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Nov 20 - 07:54 AM

Awopbopalopbopabimbamboom


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:25 AM

Pfizer got NO money from the US government and is not connected to Trump in any way, I see what Natt Hancock is saying by couching his optiimismism in words like "it is one step among many".
My key word is "average".
It will be another month before Pfizer has more info beyond a simple press release of some data.
If and when a vaccine is cleared to go, the Government will then be involved in manufacture and distribution. (operation Warp Speed)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:38 AM

So, are the tories going to cancel pre-orders for vaccines that prove to be less effective;
or are they committed to still buy them,
wasting even more public money than the PPE debacle...???

..and if they do go ahead buying and using those more useless vaccines,
who'll be the poor buggers who get those crap jabs...???


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