BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Jul 20 - 07:31 PM

LOL
This is true: I remember being in the elementary school playground; sometimes we formed up for games with the leaders 'choosing' who would be on each team. Sometimes it was not so much a game as gangs forming up for whatever reason. I remember early on developing the principle that whatever the cause, don't form up behind the stupid fat kid. . .

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jul 20 - 04:46 AM

Ventillators will not be used anymore due to damage.
Oxygenating blood and returning it to the body is much better.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 03 Jul 20 - 12:57 PM

The Kansas City Star had an article today on a 23-year-old man, Shakell Avery, who was in the hospital with Covid for 80 days. For most of it, he was unconscious, flat on his back and breathing with a ventilator. His life was saved by convalescent plasma, an experimental treatment in which antibodies from those who have already survived Covid are given in transfusion form. (The article makes it sound like only one transfusion was required.)

Just so you get a better picture, I will describe Shakell. He is black, he is big, and he wears glasses with light-brown frames. He wears his baseball cap the right way, and underneath it, his head is probably shaved. Shakell has no underlying health problems to explain why his illness was so terrible.

After hospitalization, Shakell needed rehab so he could walk again and even move his arms enough to feed himself. Two days ago he made a 5-minute speech urging other young people to take Covid seriously. Nurses and doctors who had treated him lined up on the sidewalk, all socially distanced, and cheered.

Three things to take away from this:

1. This convalescent plasma sounds really exciting.

2. What is it about Covid that one person can get it and not even know it, and others, like Shakell, suffer terribly? Is it something in our DNA?

3. Keep wearing your mask, keep social distance, stay home as much as you can. And quit worrying about politicians. Your safety is in your own hands.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 04 Jul 20 - 01:37 AM

there are reports out now..google them yourselves or not..that a new strain of the virus is replacing old strain in US and it is 3-9 times as infections but not more fatal. It could explain some of the huge increase in numbers lately.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Jul 20 - 04:30 AM

What is it about Covid that one person can get it and not even know it, and others, - genes? Lifestyle? Viral load? Luck. Tick any of the above.

3-9 times as infections but not more fatal. - less fatal? - as predicted by virologist-statisticians for years. It is the trend when the system a virus is working in, is working to defeat it. My guess, much like the e. coli O150 bacterium, is that the more benign strains have an ecological advantage. E. coli O150 propagates more slowly than other strains of e. coli so is out-competed for real estate.

Look at homo sapiens for a demonstrable example!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jul 20 - 10:23 AM

Fascinating info from autopsies:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-autopsies-findings/

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 20 - 07:53 AM

"99% of corona virus infections are HARMLESS!"
Donald Trump yesterday

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 20 - 08:36 AM

If you don't want to spend $30 for the Mrrzy link:
it is about micro clots in the brain, heart, lungs and liver.
The lungs show hundreds of thousands of micro clots
A similar condition may occur with Dengue fever.
A cell that destroys platlets is responsible.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jul 20 - 04:25 PM

Coronavirus news is not behind the paywall, washpo says...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 20 - 06:36 PM

They lied in this case.
My wife gets it free as a .gov employee

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 20 - 06:29 AM

The new strain of Covid 19 is even more infectious but but not more fatal.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jul 20 - 11:13 AM

And now hear this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Jul 20 - 07:22 AM

the other idiot child in charge of a country ravaged by COVID - Balsanaro - has COVID. According to the BBC.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jul 20 - 07:44 AM

Mrzzy that brain disorder seems highly related to your micro clot post.

I see the same dark circles under the eyes in Brazil's president as Boris Johnson when sick.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jul 20 - 08:01 AM

Scary shit, yeah.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jul 20 - 03:03 PM

Going deep into the weeds of biochemistry, a result of Covid 19 infection is a production of super oxidized chemicals which in a sense kills like a disinfectant from the inside out. {irony alert}
70% of fatalities show evidence of the oxidation causing blood clots which can kill many people overnight including the young.
Cause of death is called respiratory but it is bloodclots throughout the body. Covid is acting like a hemmoragic disease like Dengue, Ebola and others on a microscopic scale.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jul 20 - 08:37 AM

Excellent risk eval chart here

http://www.ezekielemanuel.com/writing/all-articles/2020/06/30/covid-19-activity-risk-levels?fbclid=IwAR2oNoUnjxrHjC1jrWUUYaBybVpYK4cOJuzLBEchi6PtIv4LpsgWxOSmx4o.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 20 - 10:23 AM

My health insurance nurse called me and gave me a contact number if I have questions about doctor or dentist appointments and evaluate how seriously I am taking self isolation.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 12 Jul 20 - 10:49 PM

some hope is being seen with Leronlimab. google for yourself, or don't. I think even later in progression. Reduces inflammation.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 07:29 AM

Today's bad news: stories from two different sources making it look very unlikely that lasting immunity happens. Instead, you can get it again within weeks or months (new infections, not persisting ones) and second time round it will be worse.

This doesn't happen with flu, and the chronic illnesses resulting from covid-19 seem likely be much more wide-ranging, common and severe than with any kind of flu.

Some countries (notably England, Brazil and the US) are going to be in serious trouble in a few months. There is no substitute for actually driving the infection rate to zero as fast as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 11:33 AM

CDC adds 4 new symptoms:

Congestion, runny nose, nausea and diarrhea

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 12:33 PM

Jack, can you post the source of that information? Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 12:40 PM

immunity?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 01:18 PM

That's a good start, but it's from April 24, 2020. We hopefully know more now.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 02:00 PM

Here is something dated 13 July:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/13/1005103/immunity-to-covid-19-could-disappear-in-months-a-new-study-suggests/

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 03:54 PM

Longer-term illness for survivors. MANY survivors, we aren't talking about freakish bad luck.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-53368768

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 09:12 PM

The USA poses a threat to Europe, Okinawa and the UK with Covid transmission. US military bases have created 100 new infections in Okinawa after they had reached 0 new infections. Wild Kingdom, Disney World and the Epcot Center are open for new infections because Florida is the infection epicenter of the world.

Subject: RE: immunity.?
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 04:42 AM

The bad news is there are patients who have had Covid twice, months apart. Pure speculation is that they caught two different strains.
As you know we can get a flu varient more than once.

The good news is that there is a short period of immunity after having been infected.

I do not know the frequency of reinfection which is crucial data.

NIH has had a long running (holy grail) research program to make a GENERAL vaccine for ALL flu varients. Close but no cigar.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 06:51 AM

Not for the first time you are peddling misinformation. There is little or no evidence of people having caught the virus twice, though there's plenty of evidence of fallible testing, for example people being told incorrectly that they are free of the virus who then think they've caught it twice. The body's adaptive immune response to this virus is not well understood and you really need to stop making things up.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 11:50 AM

First, this is not a flu virus, it's a coronavirus.

Second, there are actual reports, from medical sources (look'm up), of people getting reinfected. Sadly, the plural of anecdote is not data.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 12:56 PM

There are quite a few people who've got it again after testing negative repeatedly. There are two explanations. The less scary one is that they got a new infection because the first one didn't confer immunity. The UTTERLY TERRIFYING one is what you're suggesting - because that means anyone who's had it could be a silent carrier, capable of getting sick again and infecting other people at any tome. Which wpuld instantly create a whole social class of lepers.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 01:19 PM

One of the questions that is asked on the various online surveys being conducted (Boston Children's Hospital has one called "COVID near you" that I've participated in) is they ask if you've had the flu shot. It may be because there is a health reason, some kind of tangential immunity bump, or it may simply be to determine your willingness to take vaccines.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 05:18 PM

And yay, foreign students without in-person classes get to not go home after all, to spread the virus we are refusing to contain...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 05:34 PM

Jack, the more prosaic explanation is that a person previously infected who is not clear of the virus has been erroneously told, after a test, that they are clear. Then, when symptoms recur, they think they've had it twice. As the testing is notoriously unreliable (I read somewhere...can't remember now... that around 30% of tests give false results), it behoves us to be cautious about claiming that immunity is either short-lived or non-existent. For a start, that would be somewhat untypical of this type of virus. There is a lot we don't yet know about this, and it would be best to avoid the kinds of wild conjecture we're seeing in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Jul 20 - 06:41 AM

Some of the repeat illnesses have been after something like 3 months apparently clear. The consquences of treating everybody who's had it as Typhoid Mary would be appalling.

Long-term immunity to coronaviruses is unusual.

Subject: RE: BS: New neSts on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jul 20 - 06:50 AM

Steve thats the first time in ages you have made a reasonable speculation. You might not be right but sometimes even a blind squirell finds a nut.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 20 - 09:41 AM

The only nut round here is you.

Jack, the fly in the ointment is always the fallibility of testing. Someone who has "had the virus twice" would (a) have been tested twice, at the right time, months apart, (b) been tested twice via an ultra-reliable test. (a) would be very unusual. (b) is currently nowhere near achievable. Not saying for one second that you can't catch it twice. But this type of virus does generally confer some immunity, if only for a short time, and, let's face it, the disease has only been in the domain of the known for not much more than half a year. "Catching it twice" is, as far as I can see, still in the realm of rumour.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Jul 20 - 07:59 PM

Holy Shit!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jul 20 - 08:30 PM

Since April the data regarding the pandemic was declared classified by the US Executive branch. This is essentially old news but its good for the people to be made aware of whats going on even if is late in the game. In reality there was virtually more effort and planning that went into hiding info than preparing to eliminate, trace and treat.
First WHO was demonied, now the CDC and Fauci of the NIH is demonied.
Its always someone else's fault on the Trump Show.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Jul 20 - 09:42 PM

Look for a precipitous drop in case and death counts. This is nazism plain and simple.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 20 - 09:32 AM

On the bright side, under the radar there are several signs of hope.
Therapeutics like Resdemivir etc. are arriving before vaccines, rapid low cost saliva tests are a game changer and past exposure to common cold corona virus might help and vaccine trials seem to work.
There is also mono clonal antibodies that will be coming onto market this Fall. They are working and are not a rumor.

New research accounts for 20-50% who have never been exposed to Covid 19 but still have immune cells that react to this new virus. The speculation for that, is that past exposure to normal common cold corona virus' creates a cross connectivity for partial or full immunity. Bear in mind that it is my wife and not I who works for the NIH. There are some things that are considered a 'close hold' and can not be discussed openly but there is real and substantiated progress being made.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 20 - 02:13 PM

The CDC data now goes to HHS under the loyal leadership of a former Cocapoo breeder and groomer.
Like the French underground in WW2 the true patriots will disobey and undermine the occupying enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Jul 20 - 05:16 PM

I hope everybody sends to the cdc as well as hhs.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 20 - 05:24 PM

Oxford scientists believe they have made a breakthrough in their quest for a Covid-19 vaccine after discovering that the jab triggers a response that may offer a "double defence" against the virus.

Phase I human trials of the world-leading Oxford vaccine have shown that it generates an immune response against the disease, The Telegraph has learned.

Blood samples taken from a group of UK volunteers given a dose of the vaccine showed that it stimulated the body to produce both antibodies and "killer T-cells", a senior source said.

The discovery is promising because separate studies have suggested antibodies may fade away within months, while T-cells can stay in circulation for years.

However the source cautioned that the results, while "extremely promising", did not.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Jul 20 - 06:45 PM

Did not what?

And why on earth is anybody trying to keep vaccine research secret? It shouldn't *be* a hacking issue. This is a *global* problem.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 20 - 10:25 PM

mrzy the rest of the article was not available without subscription, but there is some optimsm to be shared, so i shared what was available

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jul 20 - 07:47 AM

yesterday 73,000 new cases per day in the US means that once we hit 100,000 per day the exponential increase will soon spike to a million infections per day. But mediation efforts may still prevent the 'Virus gone Wild' horror movte we are watching. A third of the kids in Florida are infected. How long term it will be is an unknown possibility.
On the bright side the sun is shining.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jul 20 - 07:53 AM

Should we trust our Dentist regarding transmission?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Jul 20 - 09:13 AM

Depends on your dentist and on you, tjat last.

Apparently it is a thing now, if you don't agree with masks, to wear one made out if lace or something useless for the purpose.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Jul 20 - 09:45 AM

Oh and here are some fascinating data:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/17/covid-19-symptoms-falls-into-six-different-groupings-study-finds-coronavirus