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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Raggytash Date: 06 Nov 20 - 02:18 PM Fancy doing any painting at my place Bonzo. I've just had a room replastered and it's going to take at least three coats and to be done before Thursday when the carpet fitters are coming!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Nov 20 - 12:40 PM Exactly, for me there aren't enough hours in the day!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Backwoodsman Date: 06 Nov 20 - 12:28 PM If anything, my mental health improved and my stress-levels lowered during the first lockdown. Mrs Backwoodsperson commented on a number of occasions how much more relaxed I’d become and how my mood seemed to have lightened generally. But then, I spent my time keeping busy with things I enjoy doing, rather than moping about feeling sorry for myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Nov 20 - 11:42 AM Apparently, during lockdown one is supposed to develop mental health problems and become depressed. I am not sure how to achieve that. All ideas welcome. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Vincent Jones Date: 06 Nov 20 - 07:26 AM Yes, lockdown is a bugger. Yes, a more regional approach would be a better approach. Yes, schools and colleges remaining open is a ridiculous exception. Yes, years of Tory government, not to mention New Labour, have done much to knacker the NHS. And yes, the consequences of lockdown other than covid has caused an increase in child abuse, violence against women and suicide. I'm optimistic enough to think that most people try to do the right thing, and will take note of advice. To keep the R number down, however, requires nearly everyone to do the right thing, but there are enough idiots, conspiracy theorists and others behaving like the bloke in Bonzo's pharmacy to keep R well above 1. I haven't the optimism to think that a government that can't find its arse with both hands could produce a national education programme to nudge such people into responsible behaviour. Death by covid is lonely, painful, distressing and violent. This lockdown will prevent some of these deaths. Had the NHS the capacity, and had the government been responsible in the way it built up resources to deal with the pandemic, rather than handing lucrative contracts to their mates, then perhaps the lockdown would not be necessary. By all means moan about what a bastard it all is, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: DMcG Date: 06 Nov 20 - 07:25 AM My guess is that people whose areas have had very low number of cases, like Cornwall, are likely to resent the lockdown and will be quite prone to people ignoring the rules. My anecdotal experience is different. Because my wife has had a knee replacement 8 weeks ago, we have tried to go out most days for walks to give it exercise. This has tended to be the nearby shore, or National Trust properties, or various gardens, bird sanctuaries and similar. We have found that where we go, people are very good at wearing masks, everyone steps off the paths and walks next to it to get metres of separation, tables are many metres apart and so on. It is very similar in the local shops: people are making an effort to keep apart, to walk the aisle according to one way systems, not to pass each other, to distance at tills and so on. We did go in for lunch in one pub before the operation where they were only paying lip service to the rules: they had a one way system but no one followed it, the wait staff had no masks, and so on. But that has really been it. We were a tier 1 before the new lockdown, so we were not especially at risk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Nov 20 - 07:07 AM I would say to a very high degree. I have just returned from our pharmacy where a man was darting about looking at goods on the shelves and not wearing a mask. As he left I shouted out "he must have a no need to wear a mask ticket, everyone else waiting for medication - all wearing masks, agreed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Raggytash Date: 06 Nov 20 - 06:23 AM If it retards the spread of the virus it will in turn reduce the number of people who contract it. This in turn will reduce the number of people who will die. Much as I criticise the government, the actions of the population must be taken into account and to a degree they are also responsible for the high mortality rate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Nov 20 - 06:18 AM The lockdown isn't going to prevent deaths. It's designed to spread them out so that the NHS (near-wrecked by ten years of Toryism) won't be overwhelmed. And don't forget the side effects of lockdowns. The BBC reports that there has bee been a 20% rise in the numbers of babies harmed, even killed, since March. Who knows how many suicides, mental health breakdowns and incidents of domestic violence could be attributed to job losses, isolation and financial struggles. Until last week I hadn't been in a pub, cafe or restaurant since March. On Tuesday last week we went for lunch at a farm shop cafe near us. I was flabbergasted by the total lack of regard for social distancing. The tables were so close together that you could be sitting back to back less than two feet away from someone at the next table, and all the tables were full. Customers were supposed to wear masks unless seated, a rule ignored by almost everyone. It'll be a long time before the hospitality industry gets my custom again. In my view this latest lockdown is a waste of time and a very damaging one at that. But Mrs Steve and I, despite our opposition, are sticklers for the rules. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Raggytash Date: 06 Nov 20 - 05:48 AM Much as I do not like the lockdown, the alternative is a continuation of high mortality. I have witnessed numerous acts of sheer stupidity including some from my mates who I had thought were intelligent people. For instance in my local bar where the owners had tried very hard to follow the guidelines one person from my table went to speak to people at another table. He did wear a mask but he wore MINE. When he returned to our table he could not understand why I was a bit miffed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Nov 20 - 05:42 AM I assume that you are not shuddering because I missed the hyphen out of get-go. I quite like get-go and I shall be using it a lot going forward. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Nov 20 - 05:22 AM But this is just what labour were demanding is it not! For those retired and not working - they can carry on sloathing at home and whinge, and for those retired and still working as normal - albeit from home like myself, we contribute!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bloody lockdown Mk 2 From: Doug Chadwick Date: 06 Nov 20 - 05:08 AM .... from the getgo .... {{{{shudder}}}} |
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Subject: BS: Bloody UK lockdown Mk 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Nov 20 - 06:40 PM This is not intended to be a Brit politics thread, more a cri de coeur. We've been locked down again, for four weeks this time, nationwide. People round here can't believe it. We have the lowest infection rate in the country but we can't meet our families and friends. The supermarkets can sell whatever they like but almost all other shops are forced to close, restaurants and leisure facilities have all shut down and the police are threatening to interrogate us as to what we're doing if they see us out and about. Yet schools and universities can carry on as normal, in spite of the fact that infection rates are ballooning in secondary schools and that university students have descended from all corners of the country/globe and spiked infection rates in many university towns. I went into town today and it felt nothing like the first lockdown. Plenty of traffic, supermarkets crowded, streets full of people, and fireworks parties all round this evening. I'm thinking that huge numbers of people are ignoring this latest lockdown and I don't blame them. The approach I strongly feel that should have been adopted from the getgo was one in which the government made a massive effort to educate the public and get everyone onside by persuasion, not edict. I mean, how have we reached a position whereby a supposed democratic government can tell people that they can't leave their house and can't mix with their own close families? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 05 Nov 20 - 10:20 AM It seems like Trump is operating under the assumption that Covid 19 is only fatal to Blacks Jews and Mexicans. IF that were true he would make infection mandatory. :^I |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 05 Nov 20 - 10:09 AM Weirdly enough all 6 of my relatives to catch it are on the jewish side of the family. Are there any data on that? I have not seen anything other than behavior of some orthos being problematic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 02 Nov 20 - 12:17 PM AI is usually a thread killer here, I'm glad you mentioned it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 02 Nov 20 - 11:32 AM Y'all reading that AI can identify covid from the sound of a cough? I am not adding my links in here yet. But seen from UK and US sources. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 30 Oct 20 - 07:47 PM Just a reminder that we all are in what is considered to be the first wave. Some confuse peaks with waves. Fauci says normalcy is 1 to two years away. National response is key. With Trump denial the death toll in America is headed to 1 million. Biden could change half of that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Oct 20 - 05:34 PM The hospital beds are filling and the numbers are climbing steeply. Trump couldn't care less and if he loses the race, is not going to lift a finger to help people before he's out of office; that will be the time he races to enrich himself. This is old news, that we have an awful president and he is behaving more badly with each passing day. But it bears repeating - and to serve as a reminder that everyone needs to vote. Don't sit home, thinking someone else will do it. Step up and be counted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 28 Oct 20 - 06:27 PM I don't see why it is not that simple. You're in Wales, do Wales. You aren't in England, don't do England. Easypeasy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 26 Oct 20 - 11:38 AM We've moved on a little from this: From: Mrrzy Date: 21 Oct 20 Wherever you go, be bound by the rules of where you are. Seems obvious. But it's not quite that simple. Wales is in lockdown (officially "Fire-break") but non-essential travel is not permitted. So I can't go to England to be covered by rules existing in a lower tier. (Unless it's for work, or essential health reasons) It would seem to be "You are covered by both the rules of where you are from, and where you're going, so work on it being the more restrictive of the two". But even this isn't necessarily accurate. The governments (plural) and local authorities do not make it sufficiently clear to be able to identify what the rules are, and whether people are breaking them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Lost Chicken in High Weeds Date: 26 Oct 20 - 11:16 AM >we might not be able to weather a depression in our time. The last one was weathered by people who were born in the nineteenth century and had seen depression before. The country was largely rural, the supply chains were more localized This is exactly the point I've been making for decades. I've tried in vain to inform people that the Great Depression should be a major wakeup call for today, you *cannot depend* on "the system" for much of anything, much less *everything*. And now the COVID-19 ordeal has proven that out in a very relatively *light* way. I mean, we were panicking over toilet paper, hand gel, alcohol, paper towels, stuff like that, and it even got tough to get certain food items for a while, people were going nuts but this whole thing was pretty danged mild compared to the potentials. "The system" has now become incredibly complex, and with greater complexity comes more potential points of failure. It's now a *global* system, which also means that that failure can come from *anywhere*, triggering a domino effect. So, at some point, something or another is going to trigger collapse, it's just inevitable, there are so many potential causes that one or more of them is bound to happen. Now, getting back to your point that I quoted, not only were supply chains more localized, but in fact most, here in the rural areas at least, were self sufficient to a significant degree. Essentially *everyone* had their own gardens at the very least, and usually some chickens, a milk cow, often some hogs, a mule, etc. My Dad's family were poor country folk and had those things. The only things needed to be bought were staples like flour, salt, sugar, etc. These days, essentially "everyone" is entirely dependent on store bought goods for *everything*, and lacks the knowledge to take care of themselves without that availability. Couple that with the sheer population growth since the Depression...the more people there are that are suddenly without, the more desperation and chaos there will be. And also consider the fact that...*people are meat*. No matter what ever happens with presidents, nothing will stop any of this because the population will never again agree to do what it would take to repair the overall situation. People have no interest in making sacrifices, or willfully altering lifestyle to any significant degree. We won't be seeing the majority reverting to the needed levels of self sufficiency until the situation forces it on those who survive the aftermath. A hard rain's a-gonna fall, it's just a matter of when, and what the specific initial trigger will wind up being. If it's not some sort of market issue, it'll be a worse pandemic or environmental catastrophe, and the very few who are in any way "prepared" will quickly be overwhelmed and depleted by the masses who are far, far from it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 26 Oct 20 - 10:41 AM heard on the wireless this morning. If people pay Boots £120 each time, people can get a covid test to make sure that they are not risking passing on covid at work or at other places, if they are an asymptomatic carrier. Surely £5,440 a year is a small price to pay or making sure that our communities are safe. A paltry 40% of weekly salary for those on minimum wage. (irony). |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Oct 20 - 04:25 PM This pandemic would be a trial under any president. I fear it’s more of a trial under no president. No one is truly presiding over our government at this time. We don’t have a Roosevelt fighting off fear itself, we don’t have an LBJ with a flashlight under his chin promising help to New Orleans after a Hurricane, We don’t have Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter in hazmat suits walking through Three Mile Island to show their faith in the scientists that saved the east coast. We don’t even have George W. Bush, who after cowering in the rabbit hole on 9/11, pulled himself together, crawled up out of the ground, went to ground zero and did his level best to do the job of being president, being there for us. All we have is a real estate pirate, trying to save his businesses and his political future. Trump says this country wasn’t built to be shut down, as if any modern country was built for such. There is open talk of having to balance dollars against deaths.It’s true, we might not be able to weather a depression in our time. The last one was weathered by people who were born in the nineteenth century and had seen depression before. The country was largely rural, the supply chains were more localized. But are we to just give up and let people die so their grandkids can waterski? "I must ask you Mr. Trump. Can our economy and your political ambitions absorb two million dead Americans? Do the math, for once, and ask yourself, “How many people do two million people know?” Two million dead, will leave a lot of living who will remember. ?And to you, Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, I must ask, what if the virus takes one or more of your grandchildren rather than yourself? A virus can mutate quickly. The U.S. has seen quite a bit of coronavirus infections in young adults. Children have died from the virus. You don't get to tell the virus whom to kill. Would you risk burying one of your grandchildren to keep from being called a socialist? I will humbly await your answer, sir." - James McMurtry How true!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Oct 20 - 04:20 PM When the news IS the news, as when the Illinois Public Health Director broke down during her announcement of COVID deaths. Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Illinois’ Public Health Director, on Friday first started sniffing loudly as she announced an extra 31 deaths, taking the state-wide total to 9,418 people who had succumbed to the pandemic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 24 Oct 20 - 12:16 PM My fave stat is <5% world population but >20% cases and deaths. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 23 Oct 20 - 08:04 PM It seems people in the US don't see the death rate clearly. To make the number more real I realized by March we will be at the one year mark for those who lost the Covid battle. The conservative number of dead will amount to more than 10 times the annual automobile death rate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Senoufou Date: 23 Oct 20 - 06:05 PM Thank you Charlie and Mrrzy. It's heartening isn't it? She's been so brave and positive, she's quite a tough lady! I see our region (Breckland in Norfolk) has some more cases, and the originally low level has gone up a bit. I think it's in a small way due to the return of schools. I can't see any way out of this, unless an excellent vaccine becomes available soon. Oxford laboratories have perfected an extremely good one, and it's starting tests now. All fingers (and toes!) crossed! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 23 Oct 20 - 04:52 PM Ooh *good* news, Sen! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: fat B****rd Date: 23 Oct 20 - 03:58 PM Good to hear, Eliza Sending best thoughts and regards as usual Charlie x |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Senoufou Date: 23 Oct 20 - 02:45 PM Some good news about my sister, who got Covid back in March and was left with Covid lungs. She has seemed a little better these last few days, and has been going for walks, gardening and cleaning her house. She feels quite a bit of hope now that she may end up less wrecked than we thought. She does use her oxygen machine at night though, if her O2 levels drop too much. I feel so chuffed about this. Fingers crossed that it continues! Stay safe everybody, and don't take silly risks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 21 Oct 20 - 05:17 PM Wherever you go, be bound by the rules of where you are. Seems obvious. Meanwhile mouthwash apparently helps. Also seems obvious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 17 Oct 20 - 05:52 AM I look up to Tier 1 because there are no dragons there. I look down on Tier 3 - they know their place!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 15 Oct 20 - 09:49 AM Overall the pandemic has effected my family little. There are 25 million new jobless Americans and 6% more people who have fallen beneath the poverty line. We have no Covid assistance bill or a national response other than individual govenors taking less efficient charge. The next coming pandemic/war will not be as comfortable or communicative as Covid 19. It will be of a cyber attack variety. The US and Isreal started it with malware code like Olympic games, stuxnet and Zeus. We infected Iran. Now it has spread globally. As in all war the credo is "do whatever you can get away with". Instead of a pandemic where mostly old overweight people are killed the victims will be electric plants nuke plants, banks, hospitals and the internet. So cheer up, it could be worse :^/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Manitas_at_home Date: 15 Oct 20 - 08:50 AM The government advice on this is vague beyond belief. If you travel from a tier 2 to a tier 1 area are you bound by the rules of the original area or the new one? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Oct 20 - 07:43 AM So London, where our son, daughter-in-law and only grandchild live, has been put in Tier Two. My missus has her 70th birthday next weekend. Our plans for even a limited get-together in our house have been shattered. They can't stay in our house and we couldn't meet them anywhere indoors. But anyone from London can come to Cornwall and stay in their second home, or come in their motor home, or stay in a hotel, and they can go to pubs and restaurants. To say that there's something wrong here would be a massive understatement. It looks like Christmas won't happen for us either. I hear that the track and trace system here is managing to contact less than two-thirds of people exposed to infection, whereas the science says that the system can't work unless at least 80% of contacts are traced. By the way, flu vaccine has run out round here. We have two very vulnerable, elderly friends who can't get it for at least two more weeks. But this bloody shower will get away with all this, won't they? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 15 Oct 20 - 03:02 AM In the UK we always knew it would end in tiers!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 14 Oct 20 - 02:46 PM Oh and blood groups are back in the mix. A may not be more vulnerable, but O is, apparently, less so. Feel free to google your own references. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 13 Oct 20 - 09:56 AM Latest casualty of the pandemic: sedation at the dentist. Mine just called to say they can't do sedation as they can't clean the apparatus. So no dentist as no way without sedation but also what? What have they been doing till now? Blowing other people's snot up my nose? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Oct 20 - 09:01 PM Nearly 10,000 minks die after Covid-19 outbreak at Utah fur farms "Like humans with Covid-19, the most common symptom for infected minks has been respiratory distress, he said. “Minks show open mouth breathing, discharge from their eyes and nose, and are not sick for several days before they pass away,” Taylor said. “They typically die within the next day.” Taylor added that the virus has predominantly targeted older minks, “wiping out 50 percent of the breeding colonies,” while leaving the younger ones unscathed." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Oct 20 - 11:48 AM As much as it can be believed these days with the political meddling, the CDC has made the pronouncement that SARS-CoV-2 is spread primarily through the air. At least that was the announcement until the politicians start playing with their message again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: PHE [uk]shambolic From: Nigel Parsons Date: 05 Oct 20 - 05:48 AM The "[uk]" is both superfluous, and incorrect. PHE is "Public Health England" so excludes much of "UK". |
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Subject: BS: PHE [uk]shambolic From: The Sandman Date: 05 Oct 20 - 03:32 AM Another example of Conservative shambolism Coronavirus cases 'lost' in test and trace blunder Ten-day delay means thousands exposed to virus were not told to self-isolate |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 03 Oct 20 - 11:23 AM Listening to the new-told lies / With supreme visions of lonelitude |
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Subject: BS: china and covid update From: The Sandman Date: 02 Oct 20 - 05:23 AM here is a copy and paste of how china has virtually eliminated covid. In January 2020, as the epicentre of the Covid-19 pandemic, China was grappling with cases in all 29 of its regions, daily increases in the triple digits, and an impending shortage of medical supplies. To tackle that, China went quick and hard – implementing lockdowns of various degrees of rigour in cities and regions across the country, resulting in about 760 million people being subject to restrictions. Every time an area showed a spike in cases, a lockdown followed. Fast forward to today and China is on the other side of the pandemic: after weathering 85,307 coronavirus cases, and 4,634 deaths, the country is reporting just a handful of daily cases. On September 23, China’s overall number of active coronavirus cases was 402. The UK, which is hurtling towards a potentially devastating second wave, reported 6,178 new cases. In May 2020, Xi Chen, an associate professor of public health at the University of Yale, published a study explaining how China’s prompt and decisive reaction – including “quarantines, city lockdowns, and local public health measures” – in the face of the first outbreak of Covid-19 resulted in the avoidance of what he and his coauthors estimated to be 1.4 million infections and 56,000 deaths. But Chen does not think that all countries should go down that path. “Every country will adopt very different measures based on several things: there are more ways to control [the virus],” he says. “Decisions should take into account elements such as the country’s culture, its social norms, whether people will accept it, and also – very importantly – whether the health infrastructure is good enough to allow more spreading.” He points out that China’s ICU beds for 100,000 people are only half the UK’s, which made more stringent lockdowns inevitable. Cultural differences matter, too. Regardless of the fact that China is an authoritarian state able to impose restrictions at the drop of a hat, it is an inescapable truth that some cultures are more resistant to limitations than others. Chen cites a recent study explaining how people living in the US’s westernmost states tend to be more individualistic and therefore less prone to observing restrictions than their east coast counterparts. Prime minister Boris Johnson’s remark about British people’s “freedom-loving” nature was crude, but gestured at something that does have an impact. Johnson’s remarks – an attempt to explain the UK’s less successful handling of Covid-19’s second wave compared to countries like Germany or Italy – were made as he unveiled a new series of measures to stem the virus’s spread. Among the new measures is the requirement that pubs and restaurants close by 10pm; mandatory face mask-wearing for retail workers; hiked fines for Covid-security violations; and the recommendation that workers work from home if they can. Some rules were met with bafflement: why, for instance would pubs have to close at 10pm rather than shut their doors altogether? And why did the “rule of six” – which allows six people from different households to meet up indoors and out – remain, despite the fact that inter-household spread seems to be one of the reasons cases are climbing up? The answer is that at this stage every decision is a compromise between what is necessary and what can be done without further pummelling a prostrate economy and fatigued population. “We know that total lockdowns work – the question is how much restriction do we need?,” says Keith Neal, an emeritus professor in epidemiology at the University of Nottingham. He says that falling back into a full-on lockdown every time cases start growing would exact a different cost: people’s health faltering because of missed tests and operations, and a more widespread deterioration in mental health. Compliance would also likely suffer. Which is why you don’t want to overdo it. Shutting down pubs and bars might result in people meeting in their homes – which is harder to control. The emphasis, Neal thinks, should be on pubs following the guidelines to the letter. “If pubs follow the rules: service only if you are seated, social distancing – that is all right,” he says. “And pubs that break the rules should get closed first for one day, then for a week, then for a month and so on up to a year.” According to David Wrigley, deputy chair of the British Medical Association Council, while the 10pm threshold seems “plucked out of thin air” and the rule of six for household mixing “should be reconsidered”, the latest guidelines are at least clear on issues such as face coverings. “Adherence to the rules is the most important thing, but the rules needed to be clearer,” Wrigley says. The government’s repeated changes of tack have been often criticised for being confusing, with the “Stay Alert” slogan singled out as a pinnacle of muddiness. Will clarity – and minor tweaks to the rules – be enough to bring case numbers back under control? Many experts argue that the government is once again doing too little, too late. But Chen does not believe that repeated China-style lockdowns are going to be the future: they are way too onerous to be triggered as a routine countermeasure. In his latest study, he puts forward a new way of nipping the contagion in the bud, by enforcing different degrees of restrictions in different parts of the country – regions, cities, towns, down to the individual neighbourhood – depending on how bad the outbreak is, and how central to the country’s general movement of people that specific location is. “I don't think a complete lockdown is the optimal choice,” he says. Gian Volpicelli is WIRED's politics editor. He tweets from @Gmvolpi |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Sep 20 - 05:26 PM Our dentist uses Ozone treatment so need for us to self isolate!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Sep 20 - 01:54 PM The news just now said a staffer was found to test positive. A trip to the dentist yesterday felt like living dangerously, even with all of the precautions they put in place. I'm self-isolating for a week at least just to play it safe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 25 Sep 20 - 12:05 PM My [Virginia] governor has it. And he's been careful and sensible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Sep 20 - 12:08 AM “Wearing of eyeglasses is common among Chinese individuals of all ages,” wrote the study authors. “However, since the outbreak of Covid-19 in Wuhan in December 2019, we observed that few patients with eyeglasses were admitted in the hospital ward.” The observation “could be preliminary evidence that daily wearers of eyeglasses are less susceptible to Covid-19,” the authors speculated. Does Wearing Glasses Protect You From Coronavirus? After researchers noticed fewer nearsighted patients in a hospital ward in China, they speculated that wearing glasses might offer some protection against Covid-19. |
