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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Steve Shaw 07 Jul 21 - 04:45 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 21 - 04:45 AM

It's an inconvenience all right. But I think the point that the increase in cases is no longer matched by similar increases in serious illness and death, thanks to the vaccines, is sound. A similarly sound point is in the question, if we don't do it now, when will we do it? Can we really go on like this for ever? If we have to live with the disease, there will always be spikes, as with flu in winter. So let's get everybody vaccinated. Information, advice and vaccination have got to be the way forward in my opinion, not constant resort to repressive restrictions.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Jul 21 - 03:30 AM

June 2021 - covid cases 8,000ish per day, PM decides that the time is not right to fully relax public health measures.
July 2021 - 28,000 cases a day, expected to rise to 50,000 by 21 July and 100,000+ by the end of the month, PM decides that public health measures must end whatever the outcome.

Does this mean that the 'science' Johnson has been guided by is a detail analysis of the likely headlines in the popular press. Surely then it makes sense to make murdoch head of the NHS .because as far as the government is concerned he is a worlds leading expert on health.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 06:36 PM

Well, Maggie, you post sources without comment. I've perused some of them and they largely confirm what I've been saying about the evidence: that most of it is observational, that randomised control testing is not possible because of the ethical deficiency of having an "unprotected" control group. Making real-life extrapolations as to efficacy from laboratory testing of various types of masks is not justified. Everything depends on how people use or misuse the masks, and that includes replacing them with clean ones at extremely frequent intervals. That largely does not happen. Just walk around your town and watch what people do. By the way, medical sources, rather than independent scientific sources, have a dog in the fight in that their need, as they see it, to protect their health service takes high priority. Recommending masks, to them, is a way of playing safe and they won't be adopting the same level of objective rigour as independent scientists would do. Now I am not saying that I KNOW that masks don't work (though I THINK that they are next to useless, a very different thing). But I am saying that compelling people to wear masks is in no way justified by scientific evidence, and that governments enforcing mask-wearing are acting beyond morality in my opinion. My view all along has been that the role of governments in this pandemic should have included giving public information, advice and guidance (and free masks). I suggest that a good campaign along those lines would have resulted in a very high level of public compliance, without the potential resentment (and cheating) that enforcement would cause. Neither you nor I can ever know whether doing this, that or the other, or not doing, would cause more deaths, because the alternatives can't be simultaneously tried.   And, one more time, when you force people to wear masks you are forcing 99 people out of a hundred who are harmless to others to do something that is useless for them and useless for others. I can't see how anyone can think that that's right. Advice and persuasion, never coercion.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 02:03 PM

The Pfizer is still effective in preventing severe illness from the Delta varient but the effectiveness rating goes down to 90 %.
Non symptomtic Covid contagiousness among the vaccinated is extremely rare. So if a vaccinated parent is carrying non symptomatic Delta even non vaccinated kids are almost never infected.

US asians 80% vaccinated
blacks 30%
overall 68% (the red states still lag behind)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 01:31 PM

Google Scholar: face masks efficacy during COVID-19 raw results.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 01:23 PM

Leenia, I bet that the issue of being a trumper or antivaxxer is NOT the main issue that is important to the Missouri couple. Its the Race issue that reigns over their life. The other little issues pale in comparison even if it raises other risks. Trump is only their current great white hope. Anyone else who could better satisfy their immediate racial concerns and fears could be preferred over Trump. Is it worth their child's illness? No but they were in for a penny, in for a pound.
I say diversity is good for everything and everybody but some can't see it that way because of legacy or poor teaching.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 01:14 PM

It would be very good if you could actually address substantive points in people's posts, Donuel, rather than making unwitty and unclever little snipes. Think you can manage that? For a change??


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 01:10 PM

I assure you that I do look things up, Maggie. I look for evidence that has to get over a very high bar. As I said, controlled experimental studies are not possible apropos of mask-wearing so the "evidence" is mostly observational and can't account for confounding factors. Laboratory testing of masks, for example, can't replicate the way people put them on, take them off, touch them, reuse them, wear them under their noses or chins or stuff them in their pockets alongside their ten-dollar bills, used tissues and loose change. On top of that, however strongly one wants to advocate mask-wearing, it is impossible to deny that huge numbers of masks are not only worn incorrectly, making many very likely insanitary and dangerous (not only because of Coronavirus), but they also give many people a false sense of security (sure, all observational, but very easy to observe). On that basis, it is not possible to make a good case for mandatory mask-wearing, and it is equally not possible to turn it into a valid moral issue, in my opinion. However, make disposable masks freely available everyone, alongside a public information campaign recommending face coverings, and you would very likely get most people wearing them and not abusing them, abuse which happens when you are forced to wear them and resent it. But I'm not a mask rebel and I never break the rules. I'm just saying what I think. A statement to the effect that "masks saves lives" simply can't be supported with sound evidence, which would clearly need to be numerical and would not need to be mere best-guesses or estimates. Only a controlled large-scale study could safely conclude that, and such a study would be unethical. Sorry if that makes me sound like Mr Spock.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 12:54 PM

SRS
I think we're often like his annoying 5th graders.
I can imagine tiny tortures were learned and exchanged for decades in his career. He's bad at admmiting being wrong and desperately claims others are wrong/unscientific in response. Its a waste to spend a shred of time presenting factual evidence or risk assesment factors.

Highly mistaken gripers of our time are Jim Jordan, Rand Paul and Trump. SS is thankfully not even in their league.

On the other hand how embarrassing if Fauci was wrong and SS is right!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: leeneia
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 11:43 AM

The same woman has been cutting my hair for 15 years. She is sensible and trustworthy. Two weeks ago she told me that her husband has cousins in SW Missouri who are Trumpers and anti-vaxxers. At the time, they had a one-year-old baby in intensive care with Covid.

Was their defiance worth it to them, I wonder?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 10:41 AM

I have stuff to do this morning - maybe later. There is research, Steve, lots of solid research looking at the efficacy of wearing masks during COVID-19. But you won't look, because that would mean you have to question this silly opinion and admit you were wrong when the articles show up. I'd try Google Scholar first, if I were you.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 08:50 AM

Nice to know that antivaxxers will have different rules from sensible folks who have been double vaccinated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 05:40 AM

Incidentally, "what you call 'torture'" sounds like you're quoting me. To my recollection, I haven't said that wearing a mask is torture. Cheers.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 03:51 AM

You can't produce a shred of real evidence that would confirm your assertions.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 12:27 AM

Thank dog you weren't in charge of deciding what and wasn't going to save lives during the pandemic. You can be as happy as you want thinking you don't have to wear one again, but don't FOR A MINUTE think they had no significant roll in slowing the spread and saving lives. What you call "torture" much of the world calls freedom from disease.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 21 - 07:37 PM

So we will not have to wear masks after July 19. Alle-bloody-luja. Masks should never have been forced on us in the first place. The masks that most people wear are dangerous and insanitary. I for one will never wear a mask ever again unless forced to. I suppose I'll have to have keep one in my pocket for a while in case some deranged imbecile insists on my wearing one. I can't bear to see photos of young schoolchildren wearing masks. Completely inhuman. I don't know what the world's coming to when we can force people to hide half their faces, for reasons for which there is no evidence, for fifteen months. The one massive move towards restoring humanity will be to tell people that they can ditch their horrid masks. Bring it on!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 11:31 AM

Johnson LIED again during PMQs stating that the delta variant did not exist until24th April, so was the patient who was diagnosed wit it on 1st April faking his or her own infection?

Apparently before 24th nobody in India had it either but it was another variant which Johnson called the Kappa variant, and another called the Gamma variant.

This means that up to 24 April, what more than 340,000 people in India was diagnosed with as not the Delta variant but something else. This means that before India was placed on the red list, nobody brought a single case to the UK.

I thought Id put the record straight as Boris Johnson is the planets leading expert on covid, and knows more than the WHO, every country's heath service, every genome mapping laboratory and put together.

Either that, or he could be a LIAR as I suggested earlier, and in that case all tory voter must never be allowed near a polling station ever again.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 09:27 AM

Jos:
Yes, the vaccine jabs are going into whole people, not just 'arms'.
Of course, there are other common sites for injections.
Can we assume that for the anti-vax people "injections are not going into arses!"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 08:07 AM

I would imagine there are lockdown rulebreakers everywhere!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 05:57 AM

I was relieved to hear someone yesterday on the radio talking about getting the vaccine "into people" - NOT "into arms". In the whole interview arms were not mentioned.
I am not just an arm. I am a person, free to think, free to act, free to make decisions for myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 04:41 AM

"Even our Indian neighbours are not surprised about the Indian variant, they always say how dirty it's become there, no social distancing at all."

So-called variants of this virus arise via mutations, and that process has nothing to do with cleanliness or social distancing. I'd remind you that an earlier variant that took the country over arose in Kent. I'm assuming that you don't regard the people of Kent as egregiously filthy rule-breakers...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jun 21 - 10:47 PM

Blicky that actually goes to the article, wups


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Jun 21 - 04:09 PM

"Never mind the w-w-wie nonsense or otherwise, a b c d, or alpha beta gamma delta, are MUCH easier to remember."

No it's not. Even our Indian neighbours are not surprised about the Indian variant, they always say how dirty it's become there, no social distancing at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jun 21 - 03:52 PM

People have been looking into the smell-and-taste connection with Covid-19, and found an interesting relationship between the "supertaster" genetics and likelihood of severe covid. I found one thing on it in todays WashPo health section, but there are surely others.

Blicky.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Jun 21 - 10:16 AM

It's now "variant alpha" but it will always be the Ashford Horror to its friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 01 Jun 21 - 05:28 PM

Never mind the w-w-wie nonsense or otherwise, a b c d, or alpha beta gamma delta, are MUCH easier to remember.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Jun 21 - 12:47 PM

Stupid idea, winkie wankie wokie nonsense!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 Jun 21 - 12:20 PM

From The Guardian today

"Coronavirus variants are to be named after letters of the Greek alphabet instead of their place of first discovery, the World Health Organization has announced, in a move to avoid stigma."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 21 - 08:43 PM

Dogs too.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: leeneia
Date: 25 May 21 - 05:30 PM

I get a magazine called 'The Week.' It reports that some people have trained honeybees to detect Covid in humans. It remains to be seen if the method is practical.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 May 21 - 06:30 PM

Johnson stopped English schools from finding out about the risks of the Indian variant:

Guardian article


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 May 21 - 02:07 PM

Not Donald Trump this time.

Oxygen up your bum

If you're a rat or a pig anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 May 21 - 10:32 AM

I have no personal fears about getting Covid now, as I'm fully vaccinated. But I'm in a minority, so I still wear a mask in indoor public spaces like buses and shops. It sets an example.

We are heading for in Scotland again, with the Indian variant getting imported thanks to the Johnson regime sucking up to Modi and a fascist/unionist riot in Glasgow last weekend spreading it as far as possible from the currently worst affected district in the country. Bottom line is that the British junta is using biological warfare against us. The death toll could well end up higher than what Saddam Hussein inflicted on rebel cities with poison gas.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 21 - 09:14 AM

A prudent person is aware that fully vaccinated people are not all immune to all varients for all time.

Certain situations are ideal for infections and therefore make continued use of masks a wise decision.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 May 21 - 04:22 AM

12 people are responsible for most of the world's Covid misinformation


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 May 21 - 11:29 AM

The wording also said that you should wear a mask in businesses that still require masks. They may have a workforce that is younger and not yet fully vaccinated and want to protect them. Like Jill Biden quipped the other day, she felt naked being in public without the mask. I'll be looping one around my neck to have handy (as I do every morning when I'm getting ready to go out). There are a lot of unvaccinated people here and you can catch the virus after being vaccinated, so I'll err on the side of caution for a while longer.

Jeri, I recently got some fabric for making Pride masks this year. I'll send you some when they're made. (I also have black with music, yellow with chickens, black with dinosaurs, and a bunch of other leftover prints.)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 May 21 - 10:21 AM

An article by the German virologist Christian Drosten was circulated a few days ago. His take is that virtually everyone who isn't vaccinated will get it. There is always going to be a large enough core of unvaccinated (and possibly unvaccinatable) people to keep the virus in circulation.

The "core model" was developed as a description of gonorrhoea - the ultra-promiscuous keep it going by playing pass-the-parcel with germs and every so often a bystander gets pulled in. Surprising to see it turn up again with anti-vaxxers playing the role of hookers.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 14 May 21 - 10:07 AM

First off, it will take a while for me to feel ok with NOT wearing a mask in public.

The question was asked at the President's news conference (I THINK it was, anyway) about "how do we know if other people not wearing masks have actually been vaccinated?" The answer, to paraphrase, was "it's THEIR problem". If they're vulnerable and want to risk it, they can."
There are some folks who CAN'T be vaccinated, and so could be infected, but they're probably wearing masks.

A big "so what?!" sort of squashes the tendency to mind everyone else's business.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 May 21 - 08:02 AM

An anti-airborne-virus public building programme would risk becoming another Maginot Line - generals preparing for the last war. Climate change means the infrastructure might need to cope with insect-vectored disease, extreme wind storms, snow loading on roofs, flash flooding, forest fires, breaks in transport and communication links from sea level rise and storm surges, breached contaminant stores... the safer option is to hold back on massive investment until we know what we're dealing with.

Better not to destroy what we already have. Ols schools work okay and are flexible to upgrade. It's like trees - old trees soak up far more carbon than young ones; cutting and replanting is always nett destruction.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 21 - 06:20 AM

In the US THE GARGANTUAN POLIITIZATION OF MASKS IS OVER.
The CDC has lifted the mask mandate!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 May 21 - 01:20 AM

politicians and governments across the world should be looking at long term ways of dealing with this virus . programmes similiar to roosevelts new deal need to be implemented whereby certain numbers of new schools and public buildings are redesigned and built ,so that people in buildings are less liklely to spread the virus


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 May 21 - 11:59 PM

What is Long COVID and how do you treat it?

It sounds like an incredible number of people are dealing with this.

Although most people who are infected will develop mild or moderate symptoms -- or none at all -- scientists are now researching another way COVID-19 continues to stagger and show up, sometimes for months or even a year.

"Long COVID," also referred to as "Long-Haul COVID or Post-COVID syndrome" is a condition where a person continues to experience symptoms of COVID-19 after their body has cleared the virus. Long COVID is under the umbrella of Post-COVID conditions, which the CDC describes as "new, returning or ongoing health problems" caused by the disease more than a month after infection.

News of potential COVID "long-haulers" in the US has been circulating for more than a year, and experts are still working on collecting data to best assess who's at risk of developing the syndrome. Right now, research suggests even those who have mild cases of COVID-19 can develop Long COVID. One study found that 27% of patients with COVID-19 who hadn't been hospitalized had persisting symptoms, and another found that about 75% of patients who had been hospitalized developed Long COVID.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 May 21 - 10:14 PM

Today for the United States, the CDC lifted the mask wearing for fully-vaccinated adults outdoors, indoors, with fully-vaccinated adults. They are still required on rapid transit, in businesses that require masks, when flying, and in health care facilities. They are advised in really crowded buildings, at large sporting events, in mixed-vaccination crowds.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 May 21 - 05:37 AM

all the more reaon scotland and the uk should be ventilating schools, or even starting to build new schools. building new schools also boosts the economy if you accept keynsian economics


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 May 21 - 12:42 AM

Two new outbreaks in Scotland, after the number of new cases had been reduced to near zero.

One at a secondary school in Elgin, the other at a primary school in Midlothian.

Given the much too rapid reduction in precautions in schools across the UK, I expect there will be more.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 21 - 08:52 PM

I've had horizontal grooves on my nails for decades.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 May 21 - 08:34 PM

Are ‘covid nails’ a sign you had the virus? Experts weigh in.

At this point in the pandemic, the coronavirus’s devastating effects on the human body have been well documented. But unusual symptoms that may be connected to the virus continue to crop up, including “covid toes,” “covid tongue” and hair loss.

Now, news reports and social media posts have documented visible changes in the nails of some covid-19 survivors, most commonly in the form of horizontal grooves. Dubbed “COVID nails” by a U.K.-based epidemiologist who tweeted about the markings earlier this month, the anecdotal reports have prompted assertions that it could be a way to tell whether you’ve had the virus.


The changes are a result of "Beau's lines" - “a temporary interruption in the nail growth.”

Twitter post by Tim Spector about "COVID nails" included has some oddball responses.

News reports and social media posts aren't science. Consider this a source of anecdotal coincidences that could lead to something but are more likely to mean nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 May 21 - 08:08 AM

Bad news from India:

Mucormycosis

Massive underreporting


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 May 21 - 09:24 AM

I wonder if Biden's infrastructure plan innvolves virus-proofing hospitals. That would be a great idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 21 - 11:36 AM

NYC is still storing 750 covid vidtims in deeo freeze refridgeration trailers while poorer families are trying ti resov the burials.


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