BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 21 - 08:40 AM

The safe travel recommendation for the US has been reversed.
EU has placed new travel restrictions on the US.

I do not know the status on the US Canadian border.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 09:46 PM

We will outlive quite a few of those antivaxxers, at this rate.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 09:01 PM

We'll always have Covid around. We'll find better treatments. More people will get vaccinated, and some people who refuse will die, but it will always be here. I'm just hoping the rabid anti-vaxers will go away.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 09:01 PM

and stuff all anti mask madness.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 08:10 PM

We got past the Holocaust, we will get past this.
What people become normalized and accustomed to is beyond belief.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 07:53 PM

We will live with this virus for years, if not decades, if not forever. We will control its worst effects with vaccines, and vaccines alone. Not with social distancing, not with fear, not with lockdowns, not with outrageous and immoral diktats about not being allowed to mix with our own families and our nearest and dearest, not with masks. Definitely not with masks. We roll out vaccines to the world and we persuade everyone to take them. There is absolutely no other way of getting back to normal life as normal human beings.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 04:35 PM

I did not know about storage rule changes Stilly. Thanks
Steve I had that conversation with the pharmacist and pleaded guilty.
There is slow progress on the global front.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 03:59 PM

Bringing the pandemic to an end involves making vaccines available world-wide, not just in rich western countries. It also involves persuading everyone to get vaccinated. There are large parts of your country with alarming-low levels of takeup. You have preachers in the Deep South who are more or less ordering their flocks to reject the vaccine. You have a big problem. The Pfizer storage news is good, but on its own it fixes very little.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 11:39 AM

One of the reasons store pharmacies are able to distribute the Pfizer vaccine is because the company came back and changed the storage model. In mid-May this report was issued:

FDA In Brief: FDA Authorizes Longer Time for Refrigerator Storage of Thawed Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Prior to Dilution, Making Vaccine More Widely Available

Making COVID-19 vaccines widely available is key to getting people vaccinated and bringing the pandemic to an end. Pfizer Inc. submitted data to the FDA to support storage of undiluted, thawed vials of its COVID-19 vaccine for up to one month at refrigerator temperatures. This change should make this vaccine more widely available to the American public by facilitating the ability of vaccine providers, such as community doctors’ offices, to receive, store and administer the vaccine.

Additional Information
Based on a review of recent data submitted by Pfizer Inc. today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is authorizing undiluted, thawed Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vials to be stored in the refrigerator at 2°C to 8°C (35°F to 46°F) for up to 1 month. Previously, thawed, undiluted vaccine vials could be stored in the refrigerator for up to 5 days.

Pfizer Inc. submitted data to the FDA to demonstrate that undiluted, thawed vials of its COVID-19 vaccine are stable at refrigerator temperatures for up to 1 month.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 10:53 AM

Regarding booster shots; Maryland made rules that the immuno suppressent may get a booster now, but some hosptals do not consider diabetes included in that group but CVS drugstore does so I went ahead and got a drugstore booster.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 02:02 PM

For the record I wasn't taking issue with anything Jon posted, I appreciated his links, it was the posts prematurely promoting Ivermectin as a proven cure for the virus that I found irresponsible and potentially dangerous.

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The links Jon posted weren't the problem, it was the ongoing discussion of the rest of the post. Reference to the original story was removed and he had discussed that also. This thread needs to shift back to the original topic and stop discussing moderation and arguing about misinformation. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 12:56 PM

The last lyrics from Hotel California Come to mind:

You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!

I think we have the case of someone who has simply checked out for a while. (Heck, Dick checked out last week and I spotted him posting in BS this morning. Quick turnaround!)

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 12:31 PM

Remember.. even American 'Liberal progressives' are still Americans...

America rules by American rules...!!!


The rest of us just have to put up with their world dominating power and innate superiority...

But we stil loves 'em...


btw.. I'm still out bogged down in the real world of family health problems..
and have also not kept up with recent weeks of Mudcat Soap Opera..

So which much loved regular cast members have dramatically exited the show...???

.. Daresay as usual some will make an unsurprising return in future episodes...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 10:45 AM

No one is going to resolve anything about a drug used on head lice anytime soon, so move along.

I won't move along just yet.

A positive outcome for the use of the drug may be unlikely and it may well be shown to be ineffective, but, if it was as easily reduced to the simplicity you give above, I don't imagine research scientists from Oxford University and other agencies such as our NHS getting involved in a national trial.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 10:29 AM

Here's the classic scenario parents (of children too young to currently vaccinate) fear. Taken in the context of the children's hospital filling up (previous post) and you have a waking nightmare.

Unvaccinated, unmasked teacher spreads Covid-19 to elementary school students, CDC reports

The CDC said that some of the affected children at the Marin County, California, school went on to infect other students, their siblings and their parents.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 10:15 AM

BBC and Oxford University aren't the lunatic fringe like the original post was, but if you try to search on the topic you're going to mostly hit the scam sites, boosted to catch attention. No one is going to resolve anything about a drug used on head lice anytime soon, so move along. This was another drug in the panoply of Trump's "cures," coming to the surface again now.

From the New York Times: At a Children’s Hospital, a Wave of Young Patients Struggling to Breathe

At Children’s Hospital New Orleans, where the intensive care unit has been jammed with Covid-19 patients, scenes like this have played out unrelentingly over the past month. Nurses raced around monitoring one gut-wrenching case after another. One child was getting a complicated breathing treatment known as ECMO, a last resort after ventilators fail, which nurses said was almost unheard-of for pediatric cases. About a half-dozen others were in various stages of distress.

“We all thought, ‘Well, thankfully it’s not happening to the kids; none of us would be able to stomach that,’” said Mark Melancon, a longtime nurse at the hospital, recalling previous stages of the coronavirus pandemic. “Fast forward to now, and it’s happening with the kids.”

Mr. Melancon said that until this summer, the hospital had treated only one or two Covid-19 patients at a time. Now, a procession of patients require constant attention, their oxygen levels often dipping precariously low without maximum intervention.

As children’s hospitals in many parts of the United States admit more Covid-19 patients, a result of the highly contagious Delta variant, federal and state health officials are grappling with a sharp new concern: children not yet eligible for vaccination in places with substantial viral spread, now at higher risk of being infected than at any other time in the pandemic. Nowhere is that worry greater than in Louisiana, which has among the highest new daily case rates in the country and only 40 percent of people are fully vaccinated, putting children at particular risk as they return to school.

Add the category 4 Hurricane Ida ready to make landfall on New Orleans this afternoon, when people will be needing to see high ground and shelters, and you have another Katrina-style disaster looming. Most American large hospitals are set up with their own power plants now, but the impact will still be serious.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 06:51 AM

From The Observer newspaper.

Covid cases in England are 26 times higher than a year ago.

Covid cases 26 times higher in England

"Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at Reading University, said that in the week ending 20 August, the ONS estimated that 756,900 people in England were infected with Covid-19, which equated to one person in 70.

“This time last year, the ONS estimated that 28,200 people in England were infected. That is the equivalent of one person in 1,900 being infected with Covid-19. That means that community infections are 26 times more common now than they were a year ago, when the population was unvaccinated and the country was three months into its reopening.”

The fact that deaths and hospital admissions from Covid-19 are a fraction of their levels at the height of the outbreak in Britain demonstrates the protective power of the vaccines – more than 60% of the UK population has had two jabs."

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 05:51 AM

Having been a somewhat busy chap for the last week, I blinked and missed this (I don't even know who's jumped ship). I can see no good reason for prohibiting the linking to genuine sites that provide neutral reporting of this issue, as Jon has said. There's a danger of being misinformed, true enough. But there's also danger in being uninformed.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 04:16 AM

Sorry SRS delete as you please but if you are going to suggest that sites like the

Oxford University or the BBC (or for that matter the page I gave before which is linked to in the BBC article) are fake. I guess I should be out of here too.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 08:56 AM

It takes a great deal of skepticism to get past the worst of the fraudsters when it comes to medical misinformation: there is a group called "the dirty dozen" who do it all in their own names, but the rest are sneaky. The takeaway from this latest episode is that we can safely assume that hard-hitting medical news stories aren't being generated by the free regional magazines distributed in grocery store racks.

No one needs to leave the Mudcat site over a tiff in the BS section, and everyone gets sucked in by these things at times. They're calculated to get past your common sense defenses. But if the party who first posted decides to leave, we're sorry, and hope you continue to post your wonderful music contributions above the line.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 10:19 PM

I just went through and removed several posts with the links and discussion of that pseudo-medical discussion of Ivermectin and possibly using it for COVID-19.

Its human application is for certain intestinal worms and head lice; it would be reckless to leave that initial post and the politely skeptical responses in place.

Please don't share more sources, "authoritative" or not, about using Ivermectin; there is a blossoming of fake medical sites right this minute producing this kind of information and you're only going to end up landing on those fake news sites if you try to look for actual research into the product.

gillymore's post stands as the lone remaining post on the topic. As I listened to Rachel Maddow discuss this tonight I planned to come back and remove all of this - gillymore beat me to the common-sense punch on the topic.

Let's move on.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 07:59 AM

Here is what the FDA has to say about Ivermectin-
"FDA has not approved Ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses)."

The article-https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

I'm not a big fan of censorship but until some legitimate studies have been done to prove the efficacy of this drug I propose the moderators remove any posts touting it's usage for COVID19. As Nigel pointed out we have safe and effective vaccines and encouraging people to use this unproven drug while shunning vaccinations will contribute to the continuance of this pandemic. As it stands some internet surfers could light on the pro-Ivermectin posts here and place their health and the health of others in danger.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 10:17 AM

fingers crossed

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 09:59 AM

A friend shared on Facebook this week that her niece was admitted to the hospital for emergency surgery; they're so strapped for staff and supplies that in her bedding they didn't have any pillowcases, they had a towel wrapped around the pillow. Everyone is hoping she gets out of there okay and not just for the surgery recovery reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 09:49 AM

1 in 5 covid deaths are in Florida. 47,858 total deaths in FL.
All the gulf states are hit hard anoung the unvaccinated sending hospitals over 185% capacity. Good news from that region may take until October.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 06:48 PM

Political analist Chai Komanduri made a nuanced observation;
"The methods the GOP employed in denying climate change have been used by the anti vax movement, which hops on any uncertainty in science to claim a certainty in opposing science".

THE RIGHT IS WARY OF LEFT WING SCIENCE LIKE EVOLUTION for religious reasons
What next, is Galileo wrong?
Not even the unvaccinated pandemic and rise in child death seems enough to disuade them.
I wish there was a reset button for our species.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 01:59 PM

For people who had the Johnson and Johnson vaccine and then got a second Pfizer vaccine jab 6 months later made a correct decision.
Johnson boosters 6 months later give a robust immunity advantage as well.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 06:19 AM

book: Asprin, a cure for stupid?
Unfortunately Asprin does not have as good a safety record as the mrna Covid vaccine.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 04:27 AM

Did you read the review?

"Reviewed in Canada on August 10, 2021

I thought it was the product, so I returned it. ordered 10 , arrived 9."

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 04:10 AM

Why "Shame on Amazon"?

If a book is published the publisher is entitled to advertise it on multiple market places (including Amazon). At least they included an 'editorial review':
Disclaimer. We have made every effort to make certain that all information is factually correct, comprehensive, and up-to-date. However, this book should not be used as a substitute for the knowledge and expertise of a licensed healthcare professional. You should always consult your doctor or other healthcare professionals before taking any medication. The drug information contained herein is subject to change and is not intended to cover all possible uses, directions, precautions, warnings, drug interactions, allergic reactions, or adverse effects. The absence of warnings or other information for a given drug does not indicate that the drug or drug combination is safe, effective, or appropriate for all patients or all specific uses.

Unfortunately there is, as yet, no cure for stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 08:27 PM

https://www.amazon.com/Ivermectin-Cure-Covid-19-19/dp/1257633252/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=covid+cure&qid=1629764482&sr=8-4
Shame on Amazon for selling this!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 12:57 PM

I fully realize, always assume my posts are with a smile.

People here heard on FOX that a deworming medicine for horses and cattle is good for Covid. The CDC had to make announcements to stop it. They were flooded with poisonings.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 12:28 PM

Donuel:
You may have failed to notice that I wasn't criticising your comment!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 10:13 PM

The rare times a mask is very helpful is when you or another person suddenly sneezes beneath a mask when carrying a viral load in a crowd. Other times is a bit of a crap shoot.
Nigel, its not about 'blobing' anything, its about an unfortunate obcessive psychopathy. I found peppermint too intense.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 07:25 PM

Too many good people who choose positively to wear masks will prove to be
too stupid to wear them safe and effectively...


.. and folks wonder why I've ended up a misanthropic humanist hermit...???

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: mg
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 12:56 PM

Could someone please explain to me why people get upset when people wear masks below their chin When they don't need to have 1 on at all. It might be a matter of personal aesthetics. But I don't understand it from any sort of germ point of view. Certainly more sanitary to just pull your mask up and down when needed than to take it all the way up and stuff in the pocket or purse or whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 12:49 PM

How can 'blobbing something' on the inside & outside of a mask cause a problem? Specifically if you do so immediately after sanitising your hands.
Without using aids (which would also need sanitising) it is impossible to put a mask on without touching it.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 05:35 PM

Don't preach to me about masks then tell me that you blob something on the front of it, inside and out!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 05:13 PM

By Jove Steve is jovial lately. Itsa full moon and Jewpeter is in conjugation with Saturn.

Catching covid once vaccinated is better than it was before vaccination
Beware of Dr. Quack's natural cures

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 04:17 PM

Touching the front of your mask is mask abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:56 PM

Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.

Which is better?

Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.

Now, we're no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.

It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated. And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues.

"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.

Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid"

BBC

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:44 PM

I made mask wearing more delightful by putting a finger tip drop of lemon extract from the grocery store, I dabbed it where the mask covers the chin inside and out.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Aug 21 - 02:24 PM

Alabama is the first state to run out of ICU beds.
Other states still have beds available in parking garages and tents which is still better than waiting room casulaties while they wait for beds.
Some Heart attack victims can not find a hospital for 100 miles.
Mobile morgue semi trucks are again stacking bodies like cord wood.
Fortunately child deaths from DELTA number only in the low hundreds - 358 nation wide.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 21 - 07:08 AM

The experimental mRNA vaccine referred to targets HIV. You can't have a vaccine for AIDS any more than you can have a vaccine for a headache and sore throat. The clue is in the last letter of the acronym.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Aug 21 - 02:18 AM

From The Guardian newspaper.

"Fully vaccinated adults can harbour virus levels as high as unvaccinated people if infected with the Delta variant, according to a sweeping analysis of UK data, which supports the idea that hitting the threshold for herd immunity is unlikely.

There is abundant evidence that Covid vaccines in the UK continue to offer significant protection against hospitalisations and death. But this new analysis shows that although being fully vaccinated means the risk of getting infected is lower, once infected by Delta a person can carry similar virus levels as unvaccinated people."

Jabbed adults infected with Delta ‘can match virus levels of unvaccinated’

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Aug 21 - 04:25 PM

One of the earlier pandemics is HIV. I hear a new innovative mrna vaccine for AIDS is now ready for trials.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 09:40 PM

latest from New Zealand New Zealand health authorities have recorded four new COVID-19 cases, one of which is a worker at Auckland City Hospital. The country was plunged into lockdown yesterday after recording its first community case of COVID-19 in six months ...

latest from Australia 33 new local cases in my state, most are in Greater Sydney, but too many are in regional & remote areas, including areas with high indigenous populations. Health services in regional & remote areas are not as good as in the major population centres.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 05:24 PM

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has tested positive for COVID-19. He's on monoclonal antibodies and had been vaccinated - for all of the grief he's giving everyone for wanting to mask and social distance, it would serve him right to get the opportunity to face the ICU and see what he's allowing others to go through.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-gov-greg-abbott-tests-positive-for-covid-19/

Subject: RE: US news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 08:41 AM

The viral load of Delta is 1000 times greater than 19.
That translates into one person infecting 5 instead of 2.
The blessing is the vaccine that keeps severity of infection to a minimum. A "booster" a 3rd vaccine shot - is currently suggested 8 months after the second shot but may likely become standard for all.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 06:23 AM

From The Guardian newspaper.

"New Zealand will go into a national lockdown on Tuesday night, after detecting one case of Covid-19.

The entire country will be at alert level 4 – the highest level of lockdown – for at least three days from midnight, and the regions of Auckland and Coromandel for four to seven days."

Though later in the article it says:

"Ardern said New Zealand would not know if the case was Delta until its genome was sequenced – but that the government would be working under that assumption until informed otherwise. Data released by the Ministry of Health on Monday showed 100% of Covid-19 cases detected at New Zealand’s border in recent weeks had been Delta."



New Zealand to go into national lockdown