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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Aug 21 - 04:17 PM Touching the front of your mask is mask abuse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 21 Aug 21 - 05:13 PM By Jove Steve is jovial lately. Itsa full moon and Jewpeter is in conjugation with Saturn. Catching covid once vaccinated is better than it was before vaccination Beware of Dr. Quack's natural cures |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Aug 21 - 05:35 PM Don't preach to me about masks then tell me that you blob something on the front of it, inside and out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 22 Aug 21 - 12:49 PM How can 'blobbing something' on the inside & outside of a mask cause a problem? Specifically if you do so immediately after sanitising your hands. Without using aids (which would also need sanitising) it is impossible to put a mask on without touching it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: mg Date: 22 Aug 21 - 12:56 PM Could someone please explain to me why people get upset when people wear masks below their chin When they don't need to have 1 on at all. It might be a matter of personal aesthetics. But I don't understand it from any sort of germ point of view. Certainly more sanitary to just pull your mask up and down when needed than to take it all the way up and stuff in the pocket or purse or whatever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 22 Aug 21 - 07:25 PM Too many good people who choose positively to wear masks will prove to be too stupid to wear them safe and effectively... .. and folks wonder why I've ended up a misanthropic humanist hermit...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 22 Aug 21 - 10:13 PM The rare times a mask is very helpful is when you or another person suddenly sneezes beneath a mask when carrying a viral load in a crowd. Other times is a bit of a crap shoot. Nigel, its not about 'blobing' anything, its about an unfortunate obcessive psychopathy. I found peppermint too intense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 23 Aug 21 - 12:28 PM Donuel: You may have failed to notice that I wasn't criticising your comment! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 23 Aug 21 - 12:57 PM I fully realize, always assume my posts are with a smile. People here heard on FOX that a deworming medicine for horses and cattle is good for Covid. The CDC had to make announcements to stop it. They were flooded with poisonings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 23 Aug 21 - 08:27 PM https://www.amazon.com/Ivermectin-Cure-Covid-19-19/dp/1257633252/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=covid+cure&qid=1629764482&sr=8-4 Shame on Amazon for selling this! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 25 Aug 21 - 04:10 AM Why "Shame on Amazon"? If a book is published the publisher is entitled to advertise it on multiple market places (including Amazon). At least they included an 'editorial review': Disclaimer. We have made every effort to make certain that all information is factually correct, comprehensive, and up-to-date. However, this book should not be used as a substitute for the knowledge and expertise of a licensed healthcare professional. You should always consult your doctor or other healthcare professionals before taking any medication. The drug information contained herein is subject to change and is not intended to cover all possible uses, directions, precautions, warnings, drug interactions, allergic reactions, or adverse effects. The absence of warnings or other information for a given drug does not indicate that the drug or drug combination is safe, effective, or appropriate for all patients or all specific uses. Unfortunately there is, as yet, no cure for stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 25 Aug 21 - 04:27 AM Did you read the review? "Reviewed in Canada on August 10, 2021 I thought it was the product, so I returned it. ordered 10 , arrived 9." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 25 Aug 21 - 06:19 AM book: Asprin, a cure for stupid? Unfortunately Asprin does not have as good a safety record as the mrna Covid vaccine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 25 Aug 21 - 01:59 PM For people who had the Johnson and Johnson vaccine and then got a second Pfizer vaccine jab 6 months later made a correct decision. Johnson boosters 6 months later give a robust immunity advantage as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 25 Aug 21 - 06:48 PM Political analist Chai Komanduri made a nuanced observation; "The methods the GOP employed in denying climate change have been used by the anti vax movement, which hops on any uncertainty in science to claim a certainty in opposing science". THE RIGHT IS WARY OF LEFT WING SCIENCE LIKE EVOLUTION for religious reasons What next, is Galileo wrong? Not even the unvaccinated pandemic and rise in child death seems enough to disuade them. I wish there was a reset button for our species. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 26 Aug 21 - 09:49 AM 1 in 5 covid deaths are in Florida. 47,858 total deaths in FL. All the gulf states are hit hard anoung the unvaccinated sending hospitals over 185% capacity. Good news from that region may take until October. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Aug 21 - 09:59 AM A friend shared on Facebook this week that her niece was admitted to the hospital for emergency surgery; they're so strapped for staff and supplies that in her bedding they didn't have any pillowcases, they had a towel wrapped around the pillow. Everyone is hoping she gets out of there okay and not just for the surgery recovery reasons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 26 Aug 21 - 10:17 AM fingers crossed |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: gillymor Date: 27 Aug 21 - 07:59 AM Here is what the FDA has to say about Ivermectin- "FDA has not approved Ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses)." The article-https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19 I'm not a big fan of censorship but until some legitimate studies have been done to prove the efficacy of this drug I propose the moderators remove any posts touting it's usage for COVID19. As Nigel pointed out we have safe and effective vaccines and encouraging people to use this unproven drug while shunning vaccinations will contribute to the continuance of this pandemic. As it stands some internet surfers could light on the pro-Ivermectin posts here and place their health and the health of others in danger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Aug 21 - 10:19 PM I just went through and removed several posts with the links and discussion of that pseudo-medical discussion of Ivermectin and possibly using it for COVID-19. Its human application is for certain intestinal worms and head lice; it would be reckless to leave that initial post and the politely skeptical responses in place. Please don't share more sources, "authoritative" or not, about using Ivermectin; there is a blossoming of fake medical sites right this minute producing this kind of information and you're only going to end up landing on those fake news sites if you try to look for actual research into the product. gillymore's post stands as the lone remaining post on the topic. As I listened to Rachel Maddow discuss this tonight I planned to come back and remove all of this - gillymore beat me to the common-sense punch on the topic. Let's move on. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 21 - 08:56 AM It takes a great deal of skepticism to get past the worst of the fraudsters when it comes to medical misinformation: there is a group called "the dirty dozen" who do it all in their own names, but the rest are sneaky. The takeaway from this latest episode is that we can safely assume that hard-hitting medical news stories aren't being generated by the free regional magazines distributed in grocery store racks. No one needs to leave the Mudcat site over a tiff in the BS section, and everyone gets sucked in by these things at times. They're calculated to get past your common sense defenses. But if the party who first posted decides to leave, we're sorry, and hope you continue to post your wonderful music contributions above the line. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jon Freeman Date: 29 Aug 21 - 04:16 AM Sorry SRS delete as you please but if you are going to suggest that sites like the Oxford University or the BBC (or for that matter the page I gave before which is linked to in the BBC article) are fake. I guess I should be out of here too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Aug 21 - 05:51 AM Having been a somewhat busy chap for the last week, I blinked and missed this (I don't even know who's jumped ship). I can see no good reason for prohibiting the linking to genuine sites that provide neutral reporting of this issue, as Jon has said. There's a danger of being misinformed, true enough. But there's also danger in being uninformed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Aug 21 - 06:51 AM From The Observer newspaper. Covid cases in England are 26 times higher than a year ago. Covid cases 26 times higher in England "Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at Reading University, said that in the week ending 20 August, the ONS estimated that 756,900 people in England were infected with Covid-19, which equated to one person in 70. “This time last year, the ONS estimated that 28,200 people in England were infected. That is the equivalent of one person in 1,900 being infected with Covid-19. That means that community infections are 26 times more common now than they were a year ago, when the population was unvaccinated and the country was three months into its reopening.” The fact that deaths and hospital admissions from Covid-19 are a fraction of their levels at the height of the outbreak in Britain demonstrates the protective power of the vaccines – more than 60% of the UK population has had two jabs." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Aug 21 - 10:15 AM BBC and Oxford University aren't the lunatic fringe like the original post was, but if you try to search on the topic you're going to mostly hit the scam sites, boosted to catch attention. No one is going to resolve anything about a drug used on head lice anytime soon, so move along. This was another drug in the panoply of Trump's "cures," coming to the surface again now. From the New York Times: At a Children’s Hospital, a Wave of Young Patients Struggling to Breathe At Children’s Hospital New Orleans, where the intensive care unit has been jammed with Covid-19 patients, scenes like this have played out unrelentingly over the past month. Nurses raced around monitoring one gut-wrenching case after another. One child was getting a complicated breathing treatment known as ECMO, a last resort after ventilators fail, which nurses said was almost unheard-of for pediatric cases. About a half-dozen others were in various stages of distress. Add the category 4 Hurricane Ida ready to make landfall on New Orleans this afternoon, when people will be needing to see high ground and shelters, and you have another Katrina-style disaster looming. Most American large hospitals are set up with their own power plants now, but the impact will still be serious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Aug 21 - 10:29 AM Here's the classic scenario parents (of children too young to currently vaccinate) fear. Taken in the context of the children's hospital filling up (previous post) and you have a waking nightmare. Unvaccinated, unmasked teacher spreads Covid-19 to elementary school students, CDC reports The CDC said that some of the affected children at the Marin County, California, school went on to infect other students, their siblings and their parents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jon Freeman Date: 29 Aug 21 - 10:45 AM No one is going to resolve anything about a drug used on head lice anytime soon, so move along. I won't move along just yet. A positive outcome for the use of the drug may be unlikely and it may well be shown to be ineffective, but, if it was as easily reduced to the simplicity you give above, I don't imagine research scientists from Oxford University and other agencies such as our NHS getting involved in a national trial. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 29 Aug 21 - 12:31 PM Remember.. even American 'Liberal progressives' are still Americans... America rules by American rules...!!! The rest of us just have to put up with their world dominating power and innate superiority... But we stil loves 'em... btw.. I'm still out bogged down in the real world of family health problems.. and have also not kept up with recent weeks of Mudcat Soap Opera.. So which much loved regular cast members have dramatically exited the show...??? .. Daresay as usual some will make an unsurprising return in future episodes... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Aug 21 - 12:56 PM The last lyrics from Hotel California Come to mind: You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave! I think we have the case of someone who has simply checked out for a while. (Heck, Dick checked out last week and I spotted him posting in BS this morning. Quick turnaround!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: gillymor Date: 29 Aug 21 - 02:02 PM For the record I wasn't taking issue with anything Jon posted, I appreciated his links, it was the posts prematurely promoting Ivermectin as a proven cure for the virus that I found irresponsible and potentially dangerous. The links Jon posted weren't the problem, it was the ongoing discussion of the rest of the post. Reference to the original story was removed and he had discussed that also. This thread needs to shift back to the original topic and stop discussing moderation and arguing about misinformation. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 21 - 10:53 AM Regarding booster shots; Maryland made rules that the immuno suppressent may get a booster now, but some hosptals do not consider diabetes included in that group but CVS drugstore does so I went ahead and got a drugstore booster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Aug 21 - 11:39 AM One of the reasons store pharmacies are able to distribute the Pfizer vaccine is because the company came back and changed the storage model. In mid-May this report was issued: FDA In Brief: FDA Authorizes Longer Time for Refrigerator Storage of Thawed Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Prior to Dilution, Making Vaccine More Widely Available Making COVID-19 vaccines widely available is key to getting people vaccinated and bringing the pandemic to an end. Pfizer Inc. submitted data to the FDA to support storage of undiluted, thawed vials of its COVID-19 vaccine for up to one month at refrigerator temperatures. This change should make this vaccine more widely available to the American public by facilitating the ability of vaccine providers, such as community doctors’ offices, to receive, store and administer the vaccine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Aug 21 - 03:59 PM Bringing the pandemic to an end involves making vaccines available world-wide, not just in rich western countries. It also involves persuading everyone to get vaccinated. There are large parts of your country with alarming-low levels of takeup. You have preachers in the Deep South who are more or less ordering their flocks to reject the vaccine. You have a big problem. The Pfizer storage news is good, but on its own it fixes very little. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 21 - 04:35 PM I did not know about storage rule changes Stilly. Thanks Steve I had that conversation with the pharmacist and pleaded guilty. There is slow progress on the global front. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Aug 21 - 07:53 PM We will live with this virus for years, if not decades, if not forever. We will control its worst effects with vaccines, and vaccines alone. Not with social distancing, not with fear, not with lockdowns, not with outrageous and immoral diktats about not being allowed to mix with our own families and our nearest and dearest, not with masks. Definitely not with masks. We roll out vaccines to the world and we persuade everyone to take them. There is absolutely no other way of getting back to normal life as normal human beings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 21 - 08:10 PM We got past the Holocaust, we will get past this. What people become normalized and accustomed to is beyond belief. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 21 - 09:01 PM and stuff all anti mask madness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jeri Date: 30 Aug 21 - 09:01 PM We'll always have Covid around. We'll find better treatments. More people will get vaccinated, and some people who refuse will die, but it will always be here. I'm just hoping the rabid anti-vaxers will go away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Aug 21 - 09:46 PM We will outlive quite a few of those antivaxxers, at this rate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 21 - 08:40 AM The safe travel recommendation for the US has been reversed. EU has placed new travel restrictions on the US. I do not know the status on the US Canadian border. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Aug 21 - 09:53 AM My daughter is preparing for a trip to Italy at the end of September. Her plans for Japan were scuttled months ago, this is the substitute. Who knows if she'll get to go anywhere after four more weeks pass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 21 - 12:21 PM We are not banned from EU at this time. There are only obvious recommendations to steer clear of our unvaccinated. The vaccinated can still be carriers and can get sicker than they may expect. Delta packs a big punch of transmissabilty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 21 - 07:13 PM Another varient has emerged from South Africa. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Sep 21 - 06:04 AM From the website statista.com (google "Number of administered coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine doses per 100 people in Africa as of August 28, 2021, by country") Fifteen African nations have fewer than two people in every hundred even partially vaccinated. At the bottom of the pile is the DRC, with a population of 105 million, one in every thousand of whom have received any vaccine. Taking Africa as a whole, around seven people in every hundred have received any vaccine. We are not safe until everyone is safe. We've hardly got started. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Sep 21 - 10:15 AM Meanwhile, in highly educated countries, this nonsense continues to happen: Sydney Covid patient in Westmead hospital after overdosing on ivermectin and other online ‘cures’ Patient, who suffered vomiting and diarrhoea, part of trend hospital is seeing of people taking unproven substances I read yesterday that the GOP radio host Rogan was COVID positive and was taking all of the Trump-approved medications, and Ivermectin. #ShakesHead |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 02 Sep 21 - 10:55 AM Australia has a small but vocal collection of nutters & anti vaxxers. A member of the ruling (rightwing) party in our federal parliament is one of the noisiest & has just left his party to join one even further to the right. This party is owned by a billionaire who spent $60 million on misinformation & outright lies last federal election & did not gain a seat, leading to the IKEA shop in his neighbourhood putting up a ginormous poster above their building saying he could have bought a seat from them for $39! Craig Kelly’s move to Palmer’s United Australia Party Someone recently said on Sydney radio We don't have enough villages for the idiots we are producing & a local cartoonist produced a great cartoon on that theme on 31st August |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Sep 21 - 07:53 AM At last, sanity prevails (at least on this matter) From the BBC EU and AstraZeneca reach deal to end vaccine row "The EU and UK-Swedish drug-maker AstraZeneca have settled a row over a shortfall in coronavirus vaccines that affected the European rollout earlier this year. AstraZeneca has agreed to deliver 200 million doses of its vaccine, which had been promised under a contract, to the EU by the end of March 2022. The deal puts an end to the EU's pending action in the Belgian courts. The EU said this week that 70% of adults had been double vaccinated." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 03 Sep 21 - 10:29 AM The US allowed 15 million doses of Pfizer to expire but there are reasons and excuses just like everything else that ends in tradgedy Pyroclastic clouds burned villagers to a crisp The hurricane hit our cities like a fist Red tide poisoned fish and folks alike A Billion viral graves are about to spike Once in a lifetime, twice in a week The astroid was just a sliver the creek's now a mighty river The smoke made noon look like midnight The crops all died of blight Once in a lifetime, twice in a week Fever and fits from small ticks It hit a 100 in the Arctic Permafrost began to burn marked a point of no return Once in a lifetime twice in a week. Extinction became redemption from the pain to come It wasn't bleak for everyone It was a golden age for some. Once in a lifetime twice in a week |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Sep 21 - 11:14 AM You don't need hindsight to see how stupid are some of the alternative faux-remedies, yet people announce to the world what they're taking instead of the vaccine. We live in an era of willful stupidity. Streaming podcsts personality Joe Rogan is one of those idiots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Sep 21 - 02:20 PM Will things ever return to 'normal'? From The Guardian Anti-vaccine protesters try to storm London offices of medical regulator "Police have prevented anti-vaccine protesters from storming the headquarters of Britain’s medical regulator during violent clashes in east London. At least four officers were injured and arrests were made during a confrontation as hundreds of people gathered outside the offices of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in Canary Wharf. Police drew batons and called for reinforcements as protesters attempted to force open the door of the regulator’s offices, with security guards looking on from inside. Some of the crowd who had gathered at Canary Wharf were later involved in another confrontation outside the Science Museum vaccination centre in Kensington, west London." |
