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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Steve Shaw 17 Jun 20 - 06:27 PM
Steve Shaw 17 Jun 20 - 06:19 PM
Thompson 17 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM
Donuel 16 Jun 20 - 03:37 PM
Steve Shaw 16 Jun 20 - 06:48 AM
Donuel 16 Jun 20 - 06:33 AM
Mrrzy 15 Jun 20 - 08:14 PM
gillymor 15 Jun 20 - 07:07 PM
punkfolkrocker 15 Jun 20 - 06:19 PM
Mrrzy 14 Jun 20 - 11:43 AM
Mrrzy 10 Jun 20 - 10:50 AM
Mr Red 09 Jun 20 - 08:06 AM
Donuel 09 Jun 20 - 06:51 AM
Donuel 08 Jun 20 - 10:12 PM
Doug Chadwick 08 Jun 20 - 06:21 AM
Mr Red 08 Jun 20 - 04:21 AM
Mrrzy 07 Jun 20 - 04:05 PM
Bonzo3legs 07 Jun 20 - 03:37 PM
Donuel 04 Jun 20 - 06:02 PM
Mrrzy 04 Jun 20 - 05:05 PM
Mrrzy 04 Jun 20 - 01:06 PM
Mossback 04 Jun 20 - 12:58 PM
Senoufou 04 Jun 20 - 12:14 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Jun 20 - 10:18 AM
Senoufou 04 Jun 20 - 08:47 AM
Mrrzy 04 Jun 20 - 07:54 AM
Mrrzy 04 Jun 20 - 07:52 AM
Mossback 03 Jun 20 - 09:34 PM
mg 03 Jun 20 - 07:47 PM
Thompson 02 Jun 20 - 06:17 PM
keberoxu 02 Jun 20 - 11:09 AM
Donuel 02 Jun 20 - 05:16 AM
Mrrzy 30 May 20 - 10:26 AM
Donuel 30 May 20 - 08:20 AM
Senoufou 29 May 20 - 03:46 PM
Bonzo3legs 29 May 20 - 03:36 PM
leeneia 29 May 20 - 03:26 PM
Mrrzy 28 May 20 - 05:06 PM
Senoufou 28 May 20 - 10:59 AM
fat B****rd 28 May 20 - 09:47 AM
Jack Campin 28 May 20 - 07:57 AM
Senoufou 27 May 20 - 03:48 PM
Donuel 27 May 20 - 01:45 PM
Senoufou 27 May 20 - 01:35 PM
Donuel 27 May 20 - 05:45 AM
An Buachaill Caol Dubh 27 May 20 - 05:31 AM
Donuel 26 May 20 - 07:27 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jun 20 - 06:27 PM

By the way, mushrooms are commonly grown in a medium containing animal manure. Just thought I'd mention it in case any vegans are reading...

Sticking your bare skin into the summer sunshine for a quarter of an hour daily is totally vegan, and fairly sensual...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jun 20 - 06:19 PM

I posted to this and it went into the ether, so here goes again, quite likely not verbatim:

If you want your vitamin D, stick your bare arms, bare legs and bare arse into the summer sunshine for fifteen minutes. There's no charge, and you can save the mushroom money...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Thompson
Date: 17 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM

Today had the highest figures worldwide as it rages on in Brazil and the US.
Vitamin D is said to increase resistance to the virus; mushrooms are one of the few vegetarian foods that can make this vitamin - if you expose them to sunlight for 15 minutes.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 20 - 03:37 PM

An old steroid was found to reduce mortality by 1/3 among the sickest patients according to a finding at Oxford University.
Way to go UK
The steroid is a dextro...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 20 - 06:48 AM

Why the R rate is bullshit: suppose I was the only person in Cornwall with Coronavirus. I then give it to three people in my house. The R rate in Cornwall is then 3. So let's lock the whole country down again.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 20 - 06:33 AM

I'm surprised you did not know that Trump hollowed out NIH of its pandemic research. He then zeroed out funding to WHO.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 08:14 PM

Pfr... Snicker.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 07:07 PM

President Bonespur has come up with the cure for the pandemic. Who knew it would be this simple.

trump-on-coronavirus-if-we-stop-testing-right-now-wed-have-very-few-cases if any

He must have had a 3 Lysol lunch.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 06:19 PM

A ship's doctor on a corona quarantine Pirate vessel
has pleaded for more help struggling to lower the aRrrrr rate...




.. if that amuses anyone, it'll be a mudcatter...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 11:43 AM

Wonder why NIH yanked its funding but anyway:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/nih-halted-study-unveils-its-massive-analysis-bat-coronaviruses

Oddly near a Bats Make Tequila thread in my newsfeed:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/14/world/bat-facts-cnn-special-coronavirus-scn/index.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 10:50 AM

And the O blood group is less likely to get it at all. Goes along with A- being more likely to develop serious complications if they get it. Many sources, google ABO blood coronavirus.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 08:06 AM

Has he died since?<>

On reflection the caption may have read "left to bleed to death". The picture was certainly a lifeless looking person face down, and no one in attendances. Death is not a word you ignore. And the caption does imply something.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 06:51 AM

The notion of the amount of viral load is being addressed as to the degree of serious infection. The viral load shedding is highest at the onset of the earliest symptons. It is still transmitted by an infected asymptomatic person but not as high.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 10:12 PM

Although nothing seems topic related lately, he is in serious but stable condition. He hit hard enough to bleed from his ears and a small laceration.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 06:21 AM

I saw a picture of a man who was said to have been knocked over by police in the current protest and left to bleed to death.

If you are referring to the 75 year old in Buffalo, all the reports that I have read say that he is in a serious but stable condition. Has he died since?

We must be careful about spreading false news, even if it is unintentional.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 04:21 AM

Just read George Floyd tested positive on autopsy.

He was also "said" to have had COVID. Either way, if so, his lung function would have been depressed, and was vulnerable.
I saw a picture of a man who was said to have been knocked over by police in the current protest and left to bleed to death. Avoidable deaths both.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:05 PM

Wow. A$$holes.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 03:37 PM

Just to let you know this is a telephone call a friend received today. Be aware folks.
‘Good morning, I'm calling from the NHS track and trace service. According to our system, you are likely to have been in close proximity to someone who has tested postive for COVID-19. This means that you now need to self-isolate for 7 days and take a COVID-19 test.'
'OK. Can you tell me who that person was?'
'I'm not able to tell you that. That is confidential information.'
'Right. Um... so ....'
'But you do need to be tested within the next 72 hours. So can I just get the best mailing address so that we can send a kit to you?'
'Ok (gives address)'
'Thank you - and I just need to take a payment card so that we can finalise this and send the kit to you.'
'Sorry - a payment card? I though this was all free?'
'No - I'm afraid not. There is a one-off fee of £500 for the kit, and test results. Could you read off the long card number for me, please, when you're ready.'
'No - that's not right. This is part of the NHS so there's no charge.'
'I'm afraid there is. Can you give me the card number please - this is very important, and there are penalties for not complying.'
Puts phone down.
This is how scammers work. And vulnerable people will fall for it.
Don't fall for it...!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:02 PM

better quarantine those cops


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 05:05 PM

Oh great - my blood group (A-) is way more likely to suffer respiratory failure, if infected, than others.

https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:06 PM

It was just a new datum. Nothing about cause of death. He may have infected the cops, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:58 PM

Insinuating perhaps that 'he would have died anyway'?

That precise canard - that "people would have died anyway" has been and still is a major Republican talking point.

The "party of Lincoln" (yeah, right) really has devolved into absolute shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:14 PM

Exactly Steve. Insinuating perhaps that 'he would have died anyway'?
Sister has just e mailed this afternoon to say she tottered out to her car (Ford Focus) to go for a brief spin and recharge the battery. She felt uplifted to see the Scottish countryside, and stopped at a re-opened garden centre, bought one or two plants and went home.
Breathing a bit better, but the weakness still debilitating.
This may be an improvement - sincerely hope so!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 10:18 AM

George Floyd was symptom-free and the virus played no part in his death. Needs saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 08:47 AM

Thank you Thompson for your kindness. I expect she has tried various positions/ways to improve her breathing (she's a retired consultant anaesthetist, so knows about O2 levels and so on). Her latest e mail yesterday said she has used a pulse-oxymeter thingy, and her levels are quite low. Also, her lungs are filling up again, but she's managing to clear them each morning by heavy coughing.
She's naturally quite depressed at the thought that she might never regain the robust health she enjoyed recently before this virus (she's a lot younger than me).
Please everyone, keep vigilant and try to prevent ever catching the blooming plague!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:54 AM

Just read George Floyd tested positive on autopsy.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:52 AM

The protests cannot be good for curve-flattening...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:34 PM

About as effective as chloroquine.


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Subject: E: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 07:47 PM

I am in no way recommending this so check it out yourselves, but someone sent me something about lying over an exercise ball relieving some of the lung stress. it was put out by a physical therapist.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Thompson
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 06:17 PM

I'm very sorry to hear about your sister, Senoufou. If she lies on her front (though maybe not while sleeping - I don't know?) it's supposed to give the lungs a better chance to fill up with oxygenated air than if she's lying on her back.

If anyone is interested in donating a fiver, there's a collection for the Navajo and Hopi people - it's probably linked in this piece here about how Irish people are donating in large numbers, as a kind of pass-it-on payback for the decency of the Choctaw, who collected money and sent it to us during the Famine.

What one reliable authority here, Luke O'Neill, is saying is that it's almost impossible to catch the virus outdoors, but people should mask up when indoors; shouting, running and sweating make you puff out more nasty virusy breath if you're infected.

I've also heard that the majority of infections are caused by 'super-spreaders', which is supposed to make limit the infection easier, though I don't see how unless they're incarcerated like the unfortunate Mary Malone, 'Typhoid Mary'.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:09 AM

"Surely they must mean opera singers ... "

Remember, Leeneia, that a solo singer is one thing,
but a choir/chorus of singers is quite another.
Ask the music director of a really serious church choir
or of a community or professional chorus --
don't take my word for it.

Where I am staying, once or twice a week
a chorus director, professional caliber, pays a visit
and he and I talk about many things.
He can tell you
that choruses of singers throughout this great land
are being silenced because of the fear of coronavirus.

There are some tragic stories out there ,
the director told me one such,
about a chorus rehearsal with no masks or handwashing or anything,
as a consequence of which
four chorus members died of COVID-19
and many more were stricken.
If what Eliza/Senoufou is relating applies to these people,
some of them will find it difficult to impossible
to sing the way that they used to sing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:16 AM

If you remember the pandemic it continues at a 11% rise. There is no flattening of a curve.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 20 - 10:26 AM

And the bat from the Tavern is happy to read about pangolins again!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 20 - 08:20 AM

Los Vegas prostitutes are now offering curb side pick up.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:46 PM

Thank you Mrrzy, leeneia and Bonzo for your kind wishes. It's lovely to have your support on here. I'm many hundreds of miles away from my sister, and her daughters too are far away in Edinburgh and can't get to see their mum. She said in her e mail that she can't even talk on the phone.
Obviously, many people recover well,and others have no symptoms and don't realise they've had 'it'. I'm not sure about this 'easing of the lockdown' which the UK government is setting in motion.
People may do as they wish, but I'm a bit scared to expose myself to catching Covid19 and will probably continue to stay away from public places.
I sincerely hope everyone on Mudcat stays safe too.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:36 PM

Senoufou we send our best wishes to your sister.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:26 PM

Jack, thanks for the comments about noisy environments and shouting. Along those lines, I'll mention that the bishops of my church are against resuming services, and one reason is that people singing can send germs 26 feet. Surely they must mean opera singers, but still...

I have read that another problem with the packing plants is that the workers are so close together.
================
Senoufou, I'll say a prayer for your sister. I hope her former athletic and energetic activities provide a strong foundation of good health which will enable to overcome this new challenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 May 20 - 05:06 PM

J'en suis navré(e) ma chère Senoufou! I had been worrying. I hear truly nasty things about recovering after being really deeply ill with this virus, permanent organ damage, horrible stuff. La pauvre. And poor you, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 May 20 - 10:59 AM

Thank you so much Charlie!
She has always been such a powerhouse of energy, with many activities and physical sports, and it's so worrying how weak and helpless she's become. I thought she was nearly back to normal, but now this.
At least she is very popular in her Scottish village in Tayside and everyone is rallying round with deliveries and support.
It's a dire warning isn't it to do everything one can to avoid getting this blooming Lurgy?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 May 20 - 09:47 AM

Sending best thoughts as always, Eliza
Charlie X


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 May 20 - 07:57 AM

This makes an interesting point - loud music in pubs is a hazard, since it forces people to shout, which spreads the virus. The same must go for all gatherings with high amplification.

Superspreader events

I found the recent accounts of spread in American meat packing plants interesting - they say it's because they're noisy and workers have to shout. When I worked in one of the biggest abattoirs in the world in the 1970s, NOBODY shouted - you walked up to people if you had something to say. The reason being that it was SO noisy that shouting was hopeless.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 May 20 - 03:48 PM

Thank you so much Donuel.
I've heard of many people who just can't seem to get rid of the lung problem. I sometimes look at Mumsnet (mainly women's comments) and there's a thread there called 'Covid Lungs'. The thread has filled to the 1000 maximum several times, with countless women still struggling several weeks/months after contracting Covid19.
I think, from what my sister has said, that the virus actually damages the lung tissue, and this can cause lasting health problems.
All the more reason for everyone to Stay Safe, stick to Lockdown and obey the rulings. It's tedious, but these health repercussions are so much worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 20 - 01:45 PM

I've not heard of such an extensive exerience of covid 19 before.
Did she mention anything about reinfection or other diagnosis?
May she
get well soon ALREADY!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 May 20 - 01:35 PM

Well, my poor poor sister has regressed considerably. (I got an update this morning.) Her lungs are filling up all night long and she's fighting for every breath, so isn't sleeping. She can hardly dress herself with the exhaustion and weakness.
Anyone getting fed up with staying at home and social distancing etc should read her emails. They're heartbreaking. If people could only see what this illness can do, they'd obey the rules and support their continuation as long as necessary.
It isn't just 'surviving' the thing, it's the possibly permanent damage to one's health that is very concerning.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:45 AM

Asa Hutchinson "americans need to be disiplined to face reopening"
???
We NEED to reopen our churches, brothels, tattoo parlors and casinos
No matter what people want

Twitter has begun to add fact checking links to Trump Tweets in the interest of public health and safety.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:31 AM

The President of Austria, Alexander van der Bellen, has been fined for breaking the country's current rules re. Corona virus "lock-down". According to the BBC, a policeman noticed the President and his guests at a Restaurant after midnight, although such premises have to close by 11pm. The President has both apologised, and agreed to pay the fine and reimburse the Restaurant's owner should he too be fined. How different from the home lives of our own dear leaders. He should have worn a very expensive and distinctive waistcoat, so that the Polis would know his place.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 20 - 07:27 PM

localities are harder to manipulate than fed controled numbers from the states. Egad I sound like a conspiracy dude.
You do relize Trump has the pandemic numbers official classified.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 May 20 - 11:03 AM

Charlottesville itself has 4%.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 20 - 09:30 PM

No proof but Virginia probably lies better. It is nearly impossible to get the # of infections perfectly between (.02-.03) even with perfect testing. But its better to be lucky than right. My county has more dead than the entire state of VA?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 May 20 - 07:03 PM

I've been looking at various data sites, and Virginia seems to have about a third of the average/typical death rate, roughly .02 to everybody else's .06.


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