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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Dave the Gnome 23 Dec 21 - 11:54 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Dec 21 - 11:20 AM
Stilly River Sage 23 Dec 21 - 10:46 AM
Donuel 23 Dec 21 - 10:29 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Dec 21 - 08:22 AM
Donuel 23 Dec 21 - 06:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Dec 21 - 02:58 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Dec 21 - 08:08 PM
Donuel 22 Dec 21 - 07:46 PM
Nigel Parsons 22 Dec 21 - 02:40 PM
Donuel 22 Dec 21 - 01:23 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 11:54 AM

I don't think I have ever suggested anyone getting forced to do anything, Steve. I asked the question, "Why is their freedom to not have the vaccine or their freedom to not wear a mask any more important than my freedom to go to public places without a major risk of getting the virus?" I don't defend Facebook either. I just said use it carefully. I may withdraw my support unless they either self regulate or get made to regulate fake news in the not too distant future.

My point still stands. Their freedoms are not any more or less important than mine. When the two conflict, who should decide which should be upheld? I would go for the majority but I don't know if that is right. Maybe more will be made of the Covid passes that seem to be being lined up? You can't go to certain countries without getting a vaccination. How about you cannot go to unnecessary events (pubs, nightclubs, theatres, sporting events etc.) without a Covid pass?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 11:20 AM

Well life ain't perfect. When you go out and about, especially in winter, you'll encounter people who have bad colds or even the remnants of flu. Or a dose of the shits (mind that supermarket trolley handle...). They haven't all been well-advised, they are not all being especially careful or kind-hearted, but no-one seriously suggests that they should be made to stay at home. Forcing someone to get jabbed is tantamount to assault. Sacking care workers or hospital workers for refusing the jab is not only wrong-headed (in m'humble) but is also destined to make matters much worse. That Facebook thingie that you defend has done so much harm in putting people off the jab. There wouldn't be anywhere near as many refusers were Facebook et al not to exist. Some people are easily persuaded and easily deluded and 'twas ever thus. Vote Boris, vote Trump, vote brexit. It could be that choosing vaccine-refusers to excoriate is shooting at the wrong target.

Like almost everyone else I'm obediently masking up. There was a woman who appeared to be perfectly able-bodied and sprightly swanning around Bude Sainsbury's yesterday, maskless. I reflected on how indignant I'd felt because she was breaking a rule that I don't agree with and feel is a waste of time...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 10:46 AM

Fauci indicated he thought the Omicron surge would occur over about three weeks and then subside. Alas, surging over the holidays when more people are out is part of the problem.

I spoke with my next door neighbor this morning, she sounds really tired, I think she's been sick for about 3 weeks now. I fear long COVID might be what she's experiencing. Timing-wise it seems like she probably caught the more serious Delta version (as an unvaccinated person).

Last week I ordered a set of the rapid tests, but they won't arrive for another couple of weeks. The company must have a backlog of orders.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 10:29 AM

News could have cool water
When the fever runs high
But its got the look of dark clouds
In the sky
The news is in crazy motion
'Til facts calmed me down
It took a little time
But facts calmed me down

When something goes wrong
I'm the first to admit it
I'm the first to admit it
But the last one to know

When something goes right
Well it's likely to lose me
It's apt to confuse me
It's such an unusual sight
I can't get used to something so right
Something so right

When something goes right its hardly reported
Its hardly reported and just goes away
When something goes wrong its talked about strong
Its talked about strong and seems here to stay
I can't get used to something so right
Some thing so right


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 08:22 AM

Steve: I think it could burn itself out very quickly.

Highly likely. Today's BBC radio news says there are reported to have been 1 million cases last week. If that is correct, and it continues doubling every 2 days (unlikely as it would run out of prospective infectees) then a fortnight would mean that the UK population had been affected and were in recovery phase.

Number of available contacts available to be infected must be dropping rapidly, which means that doubling every 2 days cannot be sustainable.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 06:59 AM

Hospitalizations are at a breaking point here due to medical staff shortages, available beds and a large unvaccinated population.
Of course there was no supply chain crises as predicted here so just maybe we could dodge this hospital crises.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 02:58 AM

I don't think anyone on here is an anti-vaxxer. I know Steve doubts the effectiveness of masks but will wear one anyway. So I don't know if anyone on here can answer my question. Why is their freedom to not have the vaccine or their freedom to not wear a mask any more important than my freedom to go to public places without a major risk of getting the virus?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 08:08 PM

There's the beginning of a hint of calming down this end over this omicron thang. It's mild (as long as you've been vaccinated). It seems to not cause an explosion in hospitalisations and deaths. The main problem is that infected people can't go to work, which means difficulties in the health and care sectors (both severely run down by the Tories, but hey ho). I think we won't get any more restrictions (I live in hope anyway). If this variant can spread so damn fast, then I think it could burn itself out very quickly.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 07:46 PM

I was reviewing quotes and quips of Lincoln today and the 'quote' is more of a paraphrase that my memory provided.
Over the next 2 months a projection of 140 million new cases of covid are expected. Where are the public service television shows that follow hundreds/thousands of the unvaccinated to their deaths? Show the actual trauma of the covid death. As I said seeing is believing. After a million deaths are we really too prim, proper and polite to hide the reality of avoidable disease suicide?
There were public service ads anf documentaries about drugs but covid is more lethal than Fentanyl.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 02:40 PM

Donuel:
Lincoln said that only the government can do the things individual citizens can not do.

Either you're misquoting Lincoln, or on that occasion he was wrong.
Couples can do things individuals cannot.
Sports teams can do things individuals cannot.
Etc. etc.

I would be interested to see the source of your "quote"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 01:23 PM

Covid is the 3rd leading cause of death here. A million deaths are too vast and abstract to grieve over for me. Most people here feel it didn't have to be this way. I don't know but if most of us can anticipate a need for more tests around the holidays, then the government could too. Lincoln said that only the government can do the things individual citizens can not do.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 21 - 12:18 PM

Joe Biden refers to omicrom as a 'wildfire'. Thats a poor word choice imo portraying incineration and hot agonizing pain.

We are still in an anecdotal zone of data but there are indications in South Africa and the US that omicron infection is less severe.
Still the 2 day infection spread is unprecedented for a respiratory virus.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 21 - 10:10 AM

Essentially you can
pick from column A and add 'of omicron' in any region town or country
A:
Tidal wave
eruption
doubling
sky rocket
surge
gush
rush
outpouring
regurgitation
stream
flow
sweep
swell
billowing
stream
flow
burst
cascade
overflow
brim over
sweep
spout
spurt
roll
swarm
rise
jet
(thinking aloud)
It seems Long Haul dangers includes heart problems akin to symptoms like angina and a host of other yet provable effects which can be a pain in the ass but survivable for >99% of us.
BUT we may be looking at the start of covid burning itself out. The problem is that there have been break through infections of the vaccinated even in people who were previously infected with Covid/Sars2.
Afterall, we did defeat small pox and polio. Therefore I'm still hopeful Covid will someday diminish to flu levels of fatality.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 08:04 PM

As I understand it, the lateral flow kits given out here must conform to a high standard. They are reputed to be not as reliable as the PCR tests, but I don't believe that. I think that any unreliability is down to user error/inexperience. Carried out properly, following the instructions on the box, there's no reason why they can't be pretty reliable. Not one hundred percent, of course, but what is?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 06:43 PM

The test came back negative, but I've been looking for a particular brand of kit that is highly effective (the other kits you get two tests and it says to retest a couple of days later to see if the first one was effective.) I prowled the shelves of my local Walgreens and nothing - and then when I got home to get it from Amazon, they were out. And when you search on the test then follow the results you kit the pharmacy information page - they're all out. The one I was looking for is called FlowFlex and I think it's made a few miles from here at Alcon labs.

Looks like a good time to stay home, and buy the less effective test and take it twice. 7 Rapid At-Home Covid-19 Tests—and Where to Find Them


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 05:46 PM

Looks like no restrictions added in England before Christmas. Whilst I fully agree with that outcome, if it comes about, the way it's been arrived at is simply laughable. Johnson is trapped between the backwoodsmen in his cabinet (and on his backbenches) and the scientists, and has been stalled into fearful inactivity.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 04:44 PM

I have seen home test kits at my usual grocery store.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 09:32 AM

We are told this end that the lateral flow kits (aka fast test kits) are for asymptomatic use only. So you'd use one before visiting elderly or vulnerable people or going to an event. They are freely available from pharmacies (and from a pop-up caravan in Holsworthy yesterday!) and you don't have to sign for them or anything. That makes the reporting of your results entirely optional! Should I ever test positive I'd make my own isolation arrangements, thank you very much.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 08:33 AM

I feel safer in Prague where new cases have halved since their peak ar the end of November than I would if I was in London. Mask wearing in public places is something people just do without whinging about it, as is showing covid digital pass.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 08:12 AM

"Don't panic about day to day life regarding Omicron but don't be indifferent about crowds either."
quote: Atlantic mag.

"For the unvaccinated expect a winter of illness and death"
quote: CDC

"St. Peter requires a negative test at the gates."
quote: Donuel

"Trump sues China virus."
quote: The Onion


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 06:57 AM

Nigel its a mild hot zone at the convention. If it wasn't for diabetes the risk is small for infection.

Home test kits are available at our grocery stores.
We're going to see our eldest for Christmas and take our chances.
My wife is getting boosted today.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 06:30 AM

I've been doing regular home LFTs, and thankfully negative every time. In typical fashion, I only read the instructions on how to do the tests and see the result, and because they were negative failed to read the next page that said I should report the result anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 18 Dec 21 - 12:13 PM

I called the drug store and asked for a fast-reaction test kit and was turned down flat. I could make an appointment to be tested, and the pharmacist would do it there, but I could not have a kit to do it myself. With a sore throat, stinging ears and groggy head, I did not want to leave the house, I said. "Call the COVID Centre at the hospital if you have symptoms," said the telephone voice.

So I called the COVID Centre at the hospital and got voicemail. "This office is closed until Monday." Don't leave a message, f*** off and go away.

I laid low for three days, drank a great deal of water, and prayed. The grogginess went away, the ears stopped stinging, and the throat ceased to be sore. Dodged that bullet.

But what the hell? Surely the whole point of test kits is to find out if you have the bug before you get near any innocent by-standers?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Dec 21 - 11:38 AM

I'm waiting to simply go to the grocery store (I need baking powder) until my COVID test results come back (should be in by today). Since next door has it, I got the test. And will be very careful about face-to-face with anyone. I don't know what variety of the virus she has, but she's had a "cold" for a couple of weeks, and just got tested this week. Community Spread is knocking on the door.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Dec 21 - 08:58 AM

Nigel that would have been marvy!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 11:15 AM

Mrrzy:
Don't mention holiday plans. This week I should have been in Washington DC for the world Science Fiction convention - meh!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 10:25 AM

Who is rethinking their holiday plans now? Meee...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 09:34 AM

Going into the future our strategy is to give everyone multiple advanced home testing kits and if positive get a prescription from the doctor within days for the antiviral (now red) pill which is very effective. Getting there will be tough but it should work in Theory.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 09:11 AM

I know that, but I'd be interested to hear whether there's a surge in reporting-back from the home lateral flow kits, over and above that ten percent-ish that I mentioned. The headline infection number we're regaled with every day doesn't distinguish between variants.

Whilst I'm no conspiracy theorist, I can't help thinking that the government (with the best of intentions) would rather like us to see the blacker side of things, as that would make us more careful (which would be the best thing, after getting vaccinated).

As an aside (and as I'm a Liverpool fan), three Liverpool players tested positive yesterday so weren't playing last night. It turns out that all three had been double-vaccinated and boostered, and were showing no symptoms. A tiny example only, but a good yarn to put about.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 08:44 AM

Yes, Steve.
That was roughly what I was trying to explain to Donuel.

But I don't think it's the 'home tests' (LFTs) that are driving the current figures. Being home tests they don't feed into the stats for the expansion of Omicron (or 'Omni-cron' per some pundits) because they only give positive/negative. It is only the laboratory tested samples that can be separated into showing which variant is the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 07:57 AM

Up to now the government here has been giving out lateral flow test kits like sweeties. Something has changed: we are suddenly being urged to test ourselves several times a week and every time we go out to do a bit of social mixing. The upshot of this advice is we can't get our hands on test kits now, temporarily I hope, for love nor money. I'm concluding from that that millions of people have grabbed the kits and are now testing themselves, unlike before when people just like me got themselves a couple of boxes of kits and hardly ever used them (the evidence for that is that up to two or three months ago the government were getting the "mandatory" reporting-back of tests from just one kit in ten that had been given out).

So more kits, more testing, quite likely more reporting-back...and an apparent surge in positives. Anyone see why I inserted "apparent" in that sentence? I think we should hold back on the panic stations until we see over the next few weeks whether there's a concomitant rise in hospitalisations and deaths...

Obviously, all that's from a UK perspective.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 07:41 AM

These posts are evidence of a pandemic fatigue that comes from being told to go back in our cave. Everyone feels it but the stress expresses itself differently in various personalities be it distraction or lashing out. Its a myopic disorder that can and will heal when more degrees of freedom someday return. As you expect some personalities were already damaged before the pandemic and will not change.
All pandemics are different, when you see one pandemic you've seen one pandemic.
I do not know if this fifth wave will be the worst of all or not but accepting change as a good thing does provide new or different opportunities.
we'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 05:21 PM

Donal Duckie, Mrrzy. Don't worry mate. This isn't, for you, an "Is it I, Lord? " moment...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 05:14 PM

Who is You in that post of 05:07?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 05:07 PM

You are speaking of Christmas, yet calling it something else for pusillanimous reasons of your own, Donald Duckie (and of millions of you yanks). It's Christmas, fer chrissake.

(See what I did there?)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 04:40 PM

In vitro an omicron virus infects respiratory tissue 70% faster than Delta. After 48 hours it has reproduced significantly more virus.
What it does inside of a real person is not settled science.
It is also trending among younger populations. Its a smart and cheeky little bugger.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 02:07 PM

Nigel I heard it on MSNBC but I've known them to be fallible.
"Cases are doubling every 2 days in the UK, breaking records".
Or so they say.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 01:03 PM

No religious "Christmas" at my house, but my family celebrates the season and we exchange gifts because we enjoy getting together and exchanging gifts. Sometimes we do it on the 25th, but lately we've been landing the date in January.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 12:34 PM

Stevie, who is this We of whom you speak that have no other possible winter holidays?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 11:04 AM

My next door neighbor was complaining about a cold last week when we spoke over the back fence. Last night she texted to say she got three tests (Flu, something else, and COVID) and the COVID came back positive. So I'm being cautious and getting a test this morning. I've been around people since I spoke to her with the cold, so need to do my own little contact tracing routine.

This kind of thing should stop people in their tracks. Cancel appointments, don't go shopping, or anything indoors or around people, until the test results are back. I asked for the more sensitive PCR test that takes a day or two for results.

The neighbor is a non-vaccinated Trump supporter. We NEVER talk politics in order to keep the goodwill of the neighborhood up and running (I'm surrounded by Trump supporters - though the folks across the street, they were Biden voters.) After I get what I expect to be negative results I'll drop off stuff on her front porch until she can come out again.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 10:11 AM

Donuel:
The UK (70% vaccinated) hit its all time high for covid cases.
Any reference for that statement?

In the last few days UK has reached a new high for the number of new cases identified. - correct
"All time high for covid cases" - pure assumption based on a lack of knowledge!
As UK is regularly increasing the number of tests administered (especially because of Omicron) it would be surprising if the number of positive tests was not increasing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 06:26 AM

Best wishes mr. x
The UK (70% vaccinated) hit its all time high for covid cases.
That means the US is next. My wish is that all mr. x's learn that mitigating factors matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Dec 21 - 07:54 PM

Sod off. Nobody calls me Stevie. Comprenez, dummydonny? And our December holidays are called Christmas. Holidays my fat arse.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Dec 21 - 07:38 PM

Stevie, happy holidays.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Dec 21 - 02:04 PM

I think you should indeed name names. That way, you can't be accused of being shifty and dishonest, as well as of frequently losing your nerve, risks you always seem to be taking. I'm no fan of the Good Book, but I understand that the good Lord advised that our speech should be yea yea, nay nay. Read it and learn.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 21 - 01:20 PM

I trust a chef with the best sense of smell. Those without it are probably giving themselves and others heartburn. I suspect your cooking is friendlier than the recipees of he who shall not be named. He said to Jeri that he takes antacids often. -or maybe its all the wine.-

Nigel, perhaps it has been tested since 1899. HEK celle are used in development and safety testing. I think the ancient Greeks used willow bark.

Now there are 2 Supream Court Justices who believe drugs and vaccines contain human fetal tissue.

Extreme opinion alert:
Seeing is believing, or so it is said. To gain social respondsibilty I suggest televising a six year old's last Covid breaths despite being aided with oxygen mask and ventillator. Show hundreds of people from kids to strong young men gasping from not being vaccinated.
Hippa privacy be damned. Make it real to people spouting fallacy.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Dec 21 - 12:04 PM

Donuel: 30 common medications that used fetal cell lines during research and development. The list includes acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft.

Seriously?
Aspirin was first named, by Bayer, in 1899. Were they seriously using foetal cells for R&D prior to that date?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 14 Dec 21 - 09:26 AM

I have a really sharp olfactory sense for a human, and I lose it whenever I catch a bad cold. In fact, that's the worst part of a bad cold for me, even worse than the inevitable slide to bronchitis that follows it. Pure misery. One of the many reasons I dread catching COVID-19, as if the threat of death weren't enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 21 - 08:41 AM

30 common medications that used fetal cell lines during research and development. The list includes acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft.

However there are thousands...

Perhaps big pharma is not pleased with the pro life lies.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 21 - 07:35 AM

Even a US Supream Court judge is falling for the misinformation from pro lifers claiming the vaccines contain fetal tissue. an example of pro life LIES

The judge believes that a religious exception is therefore needed.

The truth is every drug you have ever taken has been TESTED on HEV 293 cells from 50 years ago to determine safety but they contain no HEK cells. Human Embryo Kidney cells.

Here is an example of drugs that were subject to HEK cell safety tests
https://www.winonadailynews.com/community/houstonconews/lifestyles/frank-bures-fetal-cell-lines-essential-to-modern-medicine/art


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