BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Dec 20 - 06:45 AM

The Dead are rising, cases climbing and the vaccine cavalry is coming.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 02:04 PM

Correction China has innoculated only 1 million.

When I brought up the vaccine with black neighors, they laughed.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 07:14 AM

Trump thinks it's more important to execute people than to vaccinate.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 07:05 AM

While we were lulled into propogandized sleep, China has vaccinated 9 million people. They are also poised to vaccinate the middle east, Africa, South America and Mexico, Russia and South East Asia.

Meanwhile back on the farm Trump refused Pfizer's intial offer for 100 million doses so we are at the back of the line for them. We will face an intentional shortage with less effective vaccines. Supply and demand will raise prices?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 04:33 PM

Well in Kent we now have 6 of the top 10 infected areas in England. The rates are continuing to rise. By the end of the week we might have all 10 of the most infected areas in England.

Matt Hancock has announced the testing of all schoolchildren. Didn't anyone tell him that we have had the Kent test for years?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 10:49 AM

According to waste water testing, Boston will have a 500% spike next week.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 03:39 PM

The Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford AztraZeneca vaccines have both been tested on >20,000 people.
The normal number of people tested for medicines licencing is anything between 300 and 3,000
These are not untested vaccines.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 12:26 PM

From CNN, there were two health care workers, who carried an adrenaline auto-injector who had anaphylactoid reactions. The vaccine is supposed to stimulate the immune system, people with serious allergies have overly vigilant immune systems. This isn't a surprise reaction, but it would be good if they could reduce the possibility of a reaction.

It was close enough to "fear-mongering" for me to think of it as such. the "we have *no clue* what injecting..." is bullshit. They have a clue that it will provoke an immune response. I think most of us are fairly inured to most irrational fear of the unknown (to them, at least).

As for "People who are not frontline workers, like me, can afford to wait, though.", we don't have a choice in the US. I'll get the vaccine whenever I can, but I figure I'm not at the top of the list.

Those of us who aren't afraid will hopefully be enough to protect those who won't, or don't, get the shot from being infected, but it's pretty far off.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 10:42 AM

It can be argued that SARS-CoV-2 is more of a risk.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 09:27 AM

And the Pfizer vaccine has, through this field-testing by just giving vaccines to the populace, already been found to be too dangerous for people with -wait for it- bad allergies. One blicky.

I was *not* fearmongering. These vaccines are untested for anything other than efficacy.

This is a new *type* of vaccine. We have *no clue* what injecting rna can do. When they first started the polio vaccines hundreds of children got polio till they figured out how to use viruses in vaccines. And that is just an example.

People who are not frontline workers, like me, can afford to wait, though. Not at all saying it isn't worth the risk if you are such a worker. Just saying it *is* a risk.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 06:44 AM

Just a snippet from today's Guardian: rich western nations with 14% of the world's population have bought up 53% of the vaccines. Canada, for example, has bought enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone in the country five times over.

That news has caused me to completely lose interest in where I might be on the UK priority list...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 11:23 AM

A few days ago there were reports, and pictures, of Russians being administered the Sputnik covid 19 vaccine in Moscow.

The BBC news service said that "Russia is starting its Covid-19 vaccination programme, with clinics in the capital Moscow inoculating those most at risk from the virus.
Its own vaccine Sputnik V, which was registered in August, is being used."


This morning BBC Radio 4 news reported that a 90-year-old woman was the first person in the world to receive a covid 19 vaccine outside of a trial as part of its development.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 10:58 AM

On the local news I heard there might be as many as tens of thousands of vaccine doses headed to Alaska that might be available as soon as next week. Now there are half a million folks all over the state so I reckon the doses will be apportioned to:

* Health Professionals
* Elderly and At-Risk Health Situations
* Native and Bush Community.

Since a double dose is the standard treatment, that amount of doses will be absorbed relaively quickly even if, as I understand, a high percentage of my fellow Alaskans will not be eager to undergo vaccination. But it will establish a good base of people who will be examples of folks who got the shot early and did not get sick.

Good news!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 10:34 AM

The English are effin' awesome.


NPR reports the first two jabs went down this morning in England:
DECEMBER 8, 2020.

First was a 91 year old pensioner.

Second was a guy named William Shakespeare.

Already been dubbed: "TAMING OF THE FLU"

God save the queen!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 07:51 AM

..apparently liz and phil are being lined up for a PR jab job...???

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 07:28 AM

"... even if high profile folks do big PR for vaccines ..."

I assume "high profile folks" means people who are successful at sports, or who appear on television programmes with high viewing figures.

If so, the chances of my recognising them (or even having heard of them), let alone being persuaded to follow their examples, are vanishingly small.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 06:29 AM

Telegraph today (page 9)
English pubs in Tier 2 with live music evenings have started making them all-ticket events.
In Tier 2 areas, live music venues are allowed to operate at 50% capacity and serve alcohol to ticket holders at the bar, without them having to order a main meal as well."

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 06:17 AM

I can't see it at present, but there was (maybe not in this thread) a question about whether the virus could by promulgated by farting.
I saw a post on Facebook today which seems to answer this: Facebook

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 12:42 AM

Trouble is.. in this bonkers internet conspiracy era..

.. even if high profile folks do big PR for vaccines
by getting media event jabs,
conspiracists will immediately insist there's no proof
the injection was anything more than vitamins or any other harmless placebo...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Dec 20 - 10:16 PM

I have read that Catherine the Great got a cowpox / smallpox vaccination in the early 1800s. Apparently it was not done in public and the vaccinating doctor was prepared to flee if things did not go well.

Things went well.

On tonight's news I heard that Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip may be 'first adopters' with the new vaccine. Maybe there will be a public presentation. If only Lucy Worsley can make it!

Maybe Rudy Giuliani can recover some of his lost sparkle with a similar presentation from his hospital room.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Dec 20 - 06:13 AM

State data shows my particuler neighborhood is a hot zone.
Latins here are not mask compliant.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 10:16 AM

It seems that shaming politicians for breaking their own rules is a futile effort. Every day or two I read about someone who decamped for some far away luxury location. I suspect the California politicians who were scolded a few days ago were at the same meeting as these Texas legislators, a week-long 50-people meeting in a Maui luxury hotel. "But ethics watchdogs have long criticized the conference, calling it a junket that hands lobbyists a captive audience of state lawmakers." The industry representatives and corporate sponsors paid $10,000 each to attend. I can't manage to post a link to the ePaper version of this story and it isn't in the html side of things yet.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 10:12 AM

The price of tea in China is going up.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 08:30 AM

I might have already done it in the recipes thread but I'll check. Warning: it's a real rib-sticker... Thigh meat great, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 08:27 AM

Can I use chicken thighs instead of chicken breast?
Chicken breasts don't taste of much, really.

And why don't you just post the recipe, here or in the 'Recipes - what are we eating?' thread, instead of wanting an email, then everyone can enjoy it?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 07:44 PM

Any man who hates Saint Agur is tired of life...

A Gorgonzola piccante would indeed fit the bill. Use a small amount then email me for a killer pasta sauce recipe with chicken breast, double cream and the rest of the pack...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 05:52 PM

Bound to be tory ministers with connections in the dairy industry,
who will be contracting billions of £££s of public money
to produce sub standard PPE cheese plugs...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 05:14 PM

I don't even like eating Saint Agur, never mind plugging my nose with it. (And as far as the adverts go, trying to tell the English how to pronounce it, well the do nasty things with my synaesthesia.)

How about a nice strong Gorgonzola?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 04:23 PM

You're asking the right man. I am a massive cheese aficionado as it happens. But which cheese? Well now. A firm Westcountry farmhouse cheddar would both be not smelly enough and would be a lamentable waste of cheese. I once bought a disgustingly overripe Brie at the pannier market in Barnstaple (bloody delicious). It ticked the stinky box...but it was very soft, too snot-like... I'm not a Stilton man, pongy though it is, and it can be a bit crumbly, which wouldn't fit the bill ("fit the bill"...cheese up nose...see what I did there?) So, for good stink, wide availability and good nostril-friendly texture, I'm going for...

Saint Agur!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 03:39 PM

Steve - which smelly cheese do you recommend to work best
as anti covid nasal plugs...???

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 03:35 PM

Nicely put, dude.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 03:19 PM

I did read the thing end to end, and I found it rather shallow and unnecessary. We don't need to be patronised by a facile metaphor into realising that multiple strategies are needed from all of us to fight the virus. Just give us the unadorned facts. His clever yarn called for far more mental processing than hard facts ever would. And he seemed to be implying that measured naysaying (Steve's take on masks???) could be misinformation. As one of my favourite lecturers used to say if we got a bit flowery in our essays, what we don't need is empty cleverness. Great message, misfire delivery. That's all.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 02:16 PM

Since catching up on this thread today,
I've been walking around with cheese stuffed up my nose.

It's a 110% effective miracle protection against covid..

I can prove this because I can still smell cheese...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 01:58 PM

Steve Shaw, read the article. Well- explained there.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 12:55 PM

Super-gluing lips, nostrils, and eye lids is an option
for improving the effective level of mask protection..

Top charlatan Scientist have yet to agree on the benefits of gluing shut ear holes,
and the remaining bodily entrances..

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 12:46 PM

What "misinformation"?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 12:32 PM

Just ran across this metaphor. Swiss cheese model of pandemic transmission: sure, the Mask slice has holes, but combined with handwashing and social distancing and all the other slices with their holes, you end up with no holes going all the way through. And don't let the Misinformation Mouse nibble any one layer away: sure masks aren't a 100% effective barrier but so what? They are only one slice of our model. Anyway:

Blicky.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 03:23 PM

Not in the least, I am enjoying our upgrade to superfast BT Halo 3!!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 02:23 PM

I told you all bonz seems to be gradually mellowing
and going slightly more centre lefty...

That'll annoy him when he realises...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 01:48 PM

Not bad from someone who hails from the Socialist Republic of Croydon... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 01:16 PM

Bonzo your level headed common sense approach adds no controversy or angnst to the global pandemic discussion. ?:*/

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 12:19 PM

Remember - vaccines are useless if they are not used to vaccinate, and it's all we've got, so all the doubters should stop pretending to be doctors!!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 12:03 PM

Sorry, it was the day before yesterday. Tempus fugits faster than I thought...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 11:59 AM

I did, and I responded at 01.52 pm yesterday. I doubt whether you'll agree with any of it, but hey ho. As I keep saying, I have my opinions and I'm neither a mask rebel nor an anti-mask campaigner. Just a doubter. As it happens, I've just come in from wearing the damn thing for hours this afternoon, just like everyone else. As I think there's a chance that masks may in many circumstances do more harm than good, I think it's fine to voice those doubts. With the approved vaccines so far, on the other hand, the science firmly supports both their efficacy and their safety. Many vaccine doubters are campaigning against vaccines and many are loudly grandstanding their refusal to have it. Now that's what I CALL irresponsible.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 11:41 AM

Steve, did you look at the links Stilly River Sage posted? here.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 09:45 AM

There are lots of people round here, especially among the more elderly, who are saying that they will refuse the vaccine. Well I've decided that I'm not letting that pass. Anyone who sez that to me is in for a bollocking. I've been bollocked here for casting doubts on the efficacy of mask-wearing even though I wear masks wherever I'm supposed to. If I'm wrong about masks, which I may well be, at least I'm not behaving irresponsibly. In my book vaccine-refusers would be much worse.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 06:26 AM

Perhaps you heard of the first ever 'new messenger RNA vaccine'.
Now you know the rest of the story.
As for the complainers, they couldn't stop if they tried.
In the meantime we can try to commiserate with them and calm some fears.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 06:00 AM

The only "risk" attached to approved vaccines is that they won't work as well as predicted. Just think: half the people in the trials received a fake "vaccine" that was totally ineffective. The streets are not strewn with the corpses of either of the two cohorts. if you're offered the vaccine the responsible thing is to take it. You may just be contributing to herd immunity. Don't take it, maybe catch the virus and spread it around a bit? You think that's a respectable stance? Down to you, of course. Free country.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 12:32 AM

An inside look into the effective Covid vaccines;
Neither vaccine contain dead corona virus or 'living' covid virus like in the old vaccine making methods.

A new method of reproduction of the RNA in one segment of the virus that comprise only the little spikes on the virus body are being used.

This has been a new technique that has been researched for some time to make one vaccine against all flu varients by using only part of the tail or head of the flu virus. There are so many different types of flu
that progress has been slow, but here in town Dr. Fauci has soldiered on to solve the universal flu vaccine puzzle at NIH down the street.

Perhaps one day the universal flu vaccine will owe a debt to the success in the covid vaccine but the general new technique started here.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 11:28 PM

I'm nearly 62..

Over the last half century no men in my close family
have yet survived long enough to get to 70.

So knowing our luck, no matter how hard I try to stay alive,
I'm fatalistically resigned to reality
that any other cause of death is out to get me
well before a covid vaccine is proven conclusively safe..

Therefore, considering the prevailing most likely threat of immediate premature fatality..
.. it kinda inclines me to risk a jab asap...