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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 08 Nov 20 - 09:42 AM Weird conjunction of threads. This was supposed to be for new findings about covid, but hey. Now it is just a bitch about covid thread. So if there is actual new news about covid, it still goes here, but you'll have to wade through a bunch of other stuff to find it. But hey, life is good right now, from where I sit on this side of the pond. Go, Pennsylvania. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Nov 20 - 09:57 AM The closure of many businesses as England shuts down for a month was news, but yes, there does appear to be grousing included with that story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 20 - 10:47 AM A question: Is there a new strain of virus that is more infectious or have people become too cavalier? Or isn't the second wave of a pandemic always more dramatic? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: leeneia Date: 09 Nov 20 - 11:52 AM Mrzzy wants some news. Here's some. Science Focus reports that hospitals are getting better at treating patients who are seriously ill. In ICU's the death rate used to be 25%, now it's 7%. In some patients, Covid infection leads the immune system to go berserk (my term), attacking the body. This may explain deaths in young, fit people, males more than females. This problem may have a genetic basis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Senoufou Date: 09 Nov 20 - 01:39 PM There's talk now of a vaccine possibly becoming available in a few weeks. And there's much discussion on whether people would be prepared to have it or not. I personally wouldn't, unless it's been thoroughly tested and not just bunged out hastily. Sticking a needle into ones arm and injecting something into ones body which may/may not be dodgy doesn't appeal to me all that much. Anyone else got any thoughts on this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 09 Nov 20 - 02:34 PM Claims of 90% protection still leave one in 10 of the population vulnerable.. .. and apparently it's pot luck who get's which pre-ordered vaccine. Then there's virus mutations to consider..!!!??? [But hopefully, a future ban on mink farms...???] Even as a lefty, I've always had serious respect for preppers... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 09 Nov 20 - 04:13 PM Imma wait at least 5 years before trusting any vaccine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Senoufou Date: 09 Nov 20 - 04:33 PM Vaccines can have dire reactions. I'll never forget my first yellow fever one, many years ago. The night after I was given it, I woke up at about 2am on my back on the kitchen floor with five cats staring at me. Angels and weird creatures were flying overhead and I lay in a puddle of sweat. I think it may have been a 'mild' version of the disease itself. Luckily, the rules for yellow fever vaccination now say that one jab lasts for life (if it doesn't kill you first!). I don't want Covid obviously, but I'm shielding anyway, and there aren't many cases in our area. Husband says he'll have the vaccine 'like a shot' (pun intended) because he works in a high school. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Nov 20 - 06:11 PM 43000 people have had the vaccine/placebo. There have been no safety concerns. Stop whingeing, vaccine-haters: let's roll it out now and save lives. Actually, vaccine-haters, do carry on. Your refusal puts me higher up the queue. I can suck that up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 09 Nov 20 - 08:39 PM Hater..??? ..I'm looking for health angles to jump to the head of the queue, while the tories are continue forcing my mrs to work at school throughout the pandemic... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Nov 20 - 06:43 AM From: punkfolkrocker Date: 09 Nov 20 - 02:34 Claims of 90% protection still leave one in 10 of the population vulnerable.. 90% protection is good. Better than most estimates for the Flu vaccines made available each year. Also, if you vaccinate 90% of the population with a 90% effective vaccine you get 81% resistant. This is higher than the calculated number needed for 'herd immunity'. If someone is offering a tested vaccine against Covid I'd take it 'like a shot!' |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 10 Nov 20 - 07:48 AM You have to take it in TWO shots. This kind of rna scrambling vaccine production has never been used on a population before. The unknowns: are the effectiveness in people prone to severe infections vs. those that would have mild symptoms. Flu vaccines tend to not help severe flu victims. We don't know about lifetime immunity but are treating it like the temporary flu shot. Naturally we don't know of long term complications but odds are its way better to take it. I had a reaction to a flu shot of muscle paralysis but the symptoms were brief - only 5 minutes. (petite barr syndome) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 10 Nov 20 - 07:53 AM The first average people to have the new vaccine are looking at next summer. (3 seasons away) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:16 AM The first average people to have the new vaccine are looking at next summer. (3 seasons away) Maybe, maybe not: Coronavirus: Matt Hancock asks NHS to be ready to deploy COVID-19 vaccine from start of December |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:18 AM In other new news about the virus, about 1 in 5 folks who recover are then diagnosed with mental illnesses they didn't have before. Possible other brain damage, like not getting your sense of taste back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 10 Nov 20 - 08:38 AM So, are the tories going to cancel pre-orders for vaccines that prove to be less effective; or are they committed to still buy them, wasting even more public money than the PPE debacle...??? ..and if they do go ahead buying and using those more useless vaccines, who'll be the poor buggers who get those crap jabs...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 10 Nov 20 - 09:25 AM Pfizer got NO money from the US government and is not connected to Trump in any way, I see what Natt Hancock is saying by couching his optiimismism in words like "it is one step among many". My key word is "average". It will be another month before Pfizer has more info beyond a simple press release of some data. If and when a vaccine is cleared to go, the Government will then be involved in manufacture and distribution. (operation Warp Speed) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 11 Nov 20 - 07:54 AM Awopbopalopbopabimbamboom |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 20 - 08:21 AM In the US the covid death equivalent is 4 jumbo jets crashing per day killing everyone on board. People prefer to ignore the problem when permitted to do so by leaders. The mobile morgue refridgerated semi truck trailers can only hold 144 corpses each. One day grocery stores will use these same trailers for food. We are at an all time high exponential infection rate. In some areas 1 in 30 are infected. Other areas vary to 1 in 100. The near vertical rise in infection will continue even if we slam on the brakes as firmly as possible but it will slow only slightly like the largest heaviest ship in the world at full speed. Looking ahead there is hell to come for at least a year. But it will get better. Some will throw caution to the wind by impatience or accident. You can only improve your odds of staying infection free by 70%, thats only a C- . |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 11 Nov 20 - 09:50 AM Ok new news again: which do you think is riskiest/riskier/less risky: 1) take a bus with open windows for an hour [I thought this Riskier] 2) sit and eat in an enclosed space at a table for 10, indoors, no windows, 15-30 mn [I thought this Riskiest] 3) participate in a buddhist retreat for a full day, outdoors, with hundreds of others? [I had thought this least risky] Well there are data! From mid-January in China where the same group from Wuhan did all those things. Video here but in French. But great graphics, worth looking at. Turned out the worst, and by far, was the bus. One person on one bus infected almost everybody else on that bus, except most of those sitting right at the open windows. Being at a table, even indoors and unventilated for 15-30 mn, infected few if any, same for being outdoors with people. Excellent within-group research. Also, no masks. One mask on that one person could have prevented *all* the infections. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 13 Nov 20 - 07:54 AM "In the US the covid death equivalent is 4 jumbo jets crashing every day killing everyone on board." That was early in the week. Now the equivalent ia 6 jumbp jets crashing every single day. The behavior of the impatient, the teenager, the maskless, the school kids and others are our weakest links to slowing the spread. By January the death rate is on track to be 2,200 every day. Since there are no ICU beds available in many states already, the covid dead outside of hospitals will probably not be counted. I expect a vaccine to work as well as perfect behavior by our weakest links in slowing the infection rate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 13 Nov 20 - 08:14 AM Still waiting for news reports of prominent covid denier anti-masker fatalities from the virus.. Or are they actually the strongest fearless Übermensch they boast to be...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 13 Nov 20 - 05:35 PM Over 100 secret service members now have it thanks to Trump's campaigns. But here is some new science on why some people get so sick while others don't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: robomatic Date: 13 Nov 20 - 06:03 PM serious question: what makes one vaccine need to be stored at extreme cold temps but not another? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Nov 20 - 09:15 AM The ones that go in the deep freeze are faster to make but they don't have a step and expense of adding preservatives to them. The cold is the only way to preserve them. This was explained recently on an NPR news program. HEALTH AND SCIENCE California, Oregon and Washington issue Covid travel advisory urging 14-day quarantine This is a joint program between the three states to try to lessen the infections between them.
The Pacific Northwest states said essential travel includes people who are traveling for “work and study, critical infrastructure support, economic services and supply chains, health, immediate medical care and safety and security,” according to a statement. The Democratic governors also recommended that travelers limit their interactions with only people in their households. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 14 Nov 20 - 09:31 AM Your president seems intent on taking as many followers as he can with him when he's finally driven out.. His anti-mask covid denying faithful are like one of those suicidal death cults who drink fatal poison at their holy leaders bidding... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 14 Nov 20 - 10:20 AM Masks do apparently protect the wearer too. Good. Multiple sources. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 16 Nov 20 - 09:49 AM old news, but...... On 16 March, primary care magazine Pulse reported doctors were receiving out-of-date PPE that had had its 2016 use-by date covered with a sticker saying "2021".[211] In response, the government offered reassurance that this was safe.[212] Earlier in the month, in response to a survey of Pulse's readership, two of five GPs reported they still did not have PPE to protect them from coronavirus.[211] Some of these concerns were raised with Johnson during Prime Minister's Questions, to which the Prime Minister replied the UK had "stockpiles" of PPE.[213] The same day, the Doctors' Association UK (DAUK) reported NHS staff felt they were being put at risk due to lack of PPE.[214] |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 17 Nov 20 - 05:22 PM Can you include those footnotes? Fauci is doing a webinar here at UVA tomorrow. PM if you want the link. Noon mudcat time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 19 Nov 20 - 07:31 AM These are the good old days right now. In 3 months we will see a massive effect of a near doubling of deaths and xponential growth in infection before the 'Biden' effect will take hold. Nature has its lag time in the growing cold AFTER the shortest day of the year. It has a lag time in pandemics as well. This is the time to redouble your own safety protocols, no matter how tired you are from it already. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Nov 20 - 12:24 PM To offer support to that statement, here is NPR looking at the state of unemployment insurance in the US. 12 Million To Lose Jobless Benefits The Day After Christmas Unless Congress Acts |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 22 Nov 20 - 08:06 AM Without a vote on the budget the government is slated to shut down Dec. 11. We have been open on a flimsy continuing resolution as usual. At the rate of ~200,000 new infections per day we are at a ~million new infections per week. (in the USA) Some areas are using tent hospitals and mobile morgues. |
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Subject: BS: The other pandemic From: Donuel Date: 28 Nov 20 - 07:52 AM NYT best seller on the pandemic Government denial of the disease was tied to the sedition act and jailed publishers. They were allowed to print only positive messages like wear a mask. This may be why there is no literaure from those times. Hemmoragic symptoms of bleeding from the eyes and mouth and a dark pallor made determining race unlikely. Psychosis was also a symptom. Woodrow Wilson had those symptoms while in France and attending peace treaty talks. Old people were vitually immune, kids under 5 had death rates equal to all causes of death over 20 years. People 18 to 45 had the next highest death rate. People knew it was not the flu. The book uses the disease event records in many US cities and how Philly and San Fran fought back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:59 AM You can soon listen to the author on a pbs link. I listened to it live today. Even my little county is now gearing up with mobile morgues. The nation has gone from 13 million infections to an expected 100 million infections by inauguration day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 20 - 06:44 AM The freedom of religionists, scofflaws, trumpists and brainwashed who don't wear masks should be encouraged to wear 'Faithmasks' for holiday services this year. They would have a cross etc. on the mask. I'll get me PPE |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 20 - 07:05 AM The people who are brainwashed are the people who feel safe in a mask. And I do wear a mask. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 20 - 07:27 AM I never doubted that. I understand the hair splitting involved. Masks themselves are not 90% effective but they do reduce an infectious viral load RISK by 90%. Thats often good enough to help. Don't sweat the single virus particle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 20 - 09:23 AM You have no evidence for that assertion. And even if it were true, it would be confounded by the routine mass misuse of masks: off with it, on with it. Stash it under your chin. Reuse it 'til it almost stinks. Stuff it in your pocket. Fiddle with the front of it. Scratch your nose through it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Dec 20 - 09:49 AM Stop quibbling. There is a lot of evidence now that masks are saving lives. That they protect both the wearer and anyone nearby, especially if that anyone is also wearing a mask. Google it. Dr. Gupta from the University of Washington last night on MSNBC reiterated, the best are the three layer cloth masks, two-layer will work fairly well also. And three layer surgical masks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Dec 20 - 11:03 AM Hey antimaskers, are you drinking and injecting enough disinfectant to ensure you survive the pandemic...??? Have you considered ingesting antifreeze to get you through the winter...????? A poisonous substance a day, keeps marxist feminist Satanist health scientist approved anti American masks away... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 20 - 12:00 PM Injecting bleach into the mouth is a common step in a root canal procedure. I don't know if its true, it just feels true: People with excruciating back pain are in general argumentative over stupid shit... I wear a N-95 with a 2 or 3 layer mask outside to seal the edges. I also have a heavy duty gold visor air tight helmet used for oil well fires. I haven't had the occaision to use it yet. Besides I don't have the insulated oxygen tank or rebreather but I have the fireproof pants and coat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:12 PM I challenged Donuel's assertion by questioning his lack of evidence. You make your assertion, telling me to google it, by telling me to "stop quibbling." You do have form when it comes to your rather aggressive mask promotion. In fact, there is little evidence that masks outside hospital settings save many lives. There are plenty of googlable reports (try the BMJ and the Royal Society, the first two that I saw when I obediently googled it) that conclude that the negatives outweigh whatever positives there are (as ever, I tend to avoid what newspapers or popular science magazines say). Much of what you can read about this, on both sides of the argument, is no better than informed opinion, which is not evidence. You certainly can't present direct evidence, in terms of numbers, that masks are saving lives, as you assert. I can't present evidence to the contrary, either. However, it's patently obvious, just by observing people's behaviour, that poor compliance with the rules for how masks should be used is rife. Not only that, it's highly likely that mask wearing gives a false sense of security to many people. I've noticed (without actually looking for trouble) that quite a lot of mask-wearers ignore social distancing in shops and neglect to clean either their hands or supermarket trolley handles on their way in. It's likely that they are largely the same people who misuse their masks. Once again, I'm simply questioning the efficacy of mask wearing in the community. I'm not an anti-mask campaigner or a rebel and I cheerfully do what most people do, i.e., wear a mask where required. If I feel sceptical about other people's assertions, I put my hands on my hips and say, where's your evidence? I don't accuse them of quibbling. Cheers. This post contains unsubstantiated opinion and untrue information about the safety involved in wearing face masks during the time of COVID-19. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:33 PM Steve - I can't say my scepticism is too different to yours.. I'll put up with the discomforts of wearing masks, in the absence of any other better proven tangible self defense against the potentially lethal mass morons in society.. Where we differ, is I'll keep doubtful negative opinions on masks quietly to myself. When liberal/lefty smartarses like us air our doubts publicly, all that does is further legitimise and enable the selfishly undisciplined far right libertarian anti masker covidiots... They love it when we sound like we agree with them... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:47 PM Well I doubt that too many of those are here, and, if they do put their heads above the parapet, we'll take them on. Incidentally, I don't think that expressing doubt in a measured way or asking for more evidence is being "negative ..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Dec 20 - 02:11 PM Depends how it's expressed.. Maybe I spend far too much time late at night 'researching' malignant crackpot far right, and dodgy misguided liberal, youtube channels...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 20 - 04:02 PM Be like me and watch Spooks repeats on Drama. I didn't understand it then and I don't understand it now but I love it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: The Sandman Date: 01 Dec 20 - 04:37 PM stilly river sage, can you provide us with the evidence please. i wear a mask but there is lots of conflicting stories about their success in stopping the spread of covid 19,perhaps some masks are more effective than others lets have the data |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jeri Date: 01 Dec 20 - 04:58 PM Dick, do you need help with a Google search? Try going to this magic website, and type in the words "proof that masks work" (you can copy and paste that). After that, you can pick the links of hits you want to read. I hope this helps. Oh - try going to the links to WHO (World Health Organization) of CDC (Centers for Disease Control) first. They're usually pretty informative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 20 - 05:05 PM Think about it, Dick. You can justifiably claim that a mask will stop some droplets (though what then happens to the trapped viruses in those droplets is fully at the mercy of the mask owner). What you can't claim is that wearing masks saves lives or that not wearing masks kills people. Your opinion can lean one way or the other, but evidence cannot be available, and claims either way are specious. Now what time is Spooks on... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 20 - 05:13 PM Maybe a difference twixt you and me, Jeri. You google "proof that masks work." I googled "evidence for mask wearing." We can both find opinion (not proof) either way, and I admitted that. You seek confirmation bias...? |
