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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Sep 21 - 07:15 AM I think I'd go and show my face, Eliza, but I might avoid anything indoors or crowding round stalls. Outdoors is pretty safe by all accounts. And you have been jabbed! Nothing would prevent me from having a go at the coconut shy... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Sep 21 - 06:54 AM I gave you a couple of instances from the piece that are highly dubious. I could have quoted more. I'm not dissing the whole five decades of your investigative journalism programme. But here you have a man claiming to have a magic bullet to end all pandemics forever. And you are not even a teensy bit sceptical? I don't think you've read it. I have! By the way, my background is in biological science. So, just a guess, if you think I don't know as much about the science, etc., it's a fair bet that you know even less. And one deeply-ingrained aspect of scientific endeavour is that one's first reaction to a new idea is scepticism. It then behoves you to delve deeper to look for substance. Well I read the piece and found the substance to be highly dubious, and I gave you just two examples among more that I noticed. OK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Senoufou Date: 10 Sep 21 - 03:32 AM I just heard yesterday from my neighbour that there are three cases of Covid in our (small) village. I was shocked really (so was she) so my husband and I have decided NOT to go to our village fete tomorrow. It's called the Lyng Fling, and comprises a carboot sale, vintage tractors, a fire engine and some Police horses, plus bric-a-brac stalls. It's all outdoors, but there will be children running around and crowds of people. We had intended to go wearing our clinical masks, but I'm too scared now. Not worth the risk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Sep 21 - 11:22 PM Steve, your dismissal is not going to fly. You don't know as much about the science as the scientists who were interviewed do. Please stop making assumptions about programs you're not familiar with and about the science you clearly don't have the total grasp of. I trust the reporting from CBS far more than I trust your "I don't think so, it looks like bullshit" pronouncements. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Sep 21 - 12:02 PM I am referring exclusively to the item linked to, which has a bloke claiming that he has a magic bullet for all viruses or something. He hasn't. We have a programme this end called Panorama, generally reputable if occasionally amateurish, which is also capable of generating bullshit every now and again. It happens. Let's take a look. They did an experimental, untested procedure on a woman nearly dead with sepsis. Completely unethical. Presumably, the experiment withheld the standard emergency antibiotic treatment for sepsis (otherwise they wouldn't have known what had worked...). She recovered in four days (we're told). Fairly rapid recovery from sepsis isn't that unusual. He also claims to have the 1918 flu virus to hand. He hasn't. It's a reconstructed version thereof. We all know about mutant strains these days, don't we? I won't go on. As I said, let's not be taken in. Your man is of interest only. He is by no means the prospective saviour of the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Sep 21 - 11:21 AM Perhaps you're not familiar with Sixty Minutes. It is considered a reputable, and at times hard-hitting mainstream news program from CBS, a major American television network. It has been on for decades, and is not "unscientific bullshit." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Sep 21 - 11:05 AM The 60 minutes link is just unscientific bullshit. That's my opinion. No more than that. Let's not be taken in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Sep 21 - 10:59 AM This video from an exhausted and discouraged nurse should be required viewing by all who think refusing the COVID-19 vaccines is only about their rights. You might have to click through and turn on the volume, but it is well worth listening to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 09 Sep 21 - 07:02 AM Yes the price of stupid is so expenive now it is unaffordable for the unvaccinated who are 99% of the currently infected. The main cause is that some people do not like being told what to do, tough, there are some things you have to do to live. It is tough being told you now have to die because of your vaccine resitance. The news here is grim with a quarter million childhood infections, 1 in 4 of all infections. We tried to pretend we turned a corner but in reality we are in the middle of pandemic times and are entering a seasonal multidemic battle with flu as well. We can easily recognize who contributes new important and unimportant news on the pandemic and those who merely carp about others here. True contributors include links to factual studies and stories. I suggest the 60 minutes story link holds water but you are your own judge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Sep 21 - 04:28 AM Powerful stuff there. I'm not a fan of forcing anyone to have jabs for this or for flu. We've allowed anti-vaxxers and other assorted nutters to throw us behind the curve. We need a massive campaign of public education about this disease with full information and persuasion to the fore. Billboards, radio, telly, ads online...Videos like this one are great - but shove them in front of people, don't hide them on YouTube. I do find it puzzling that there has been a lot of compulsion behind mask-wearing (questionable at best and quite possibly useless) but not behind vaccination (THE only way out of this). But education and persuasion, never compulsion. Compulsion engenders revolt and goes against the grain of democracy. Thin end of the wedge...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 09 Sep 21 - 02:32 AM .. and... Darwin Awards news... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd8P12BXebo&t=3s&ab_channel=TheNewYorkTimes |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Sep 21 - 06:47 PM Good news, bad news and fake news. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 21 - 06:41 PM https://www.cbsnews.com/news/last-pandemic-science-military-60-minutes-2021-09-05/ Both bad news and good news coexist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jeri Date: 08 Sep 21 - 03:00 PM Shhhh. Don't let anyone else know. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Sep 21 - 01:45 PM Jeri, I absolutely don't hate you. There are times when I don't understand you but that's par for the course in this two-dimensional world. Actually, I even think I once told you that I loved you... ;-) You're right about those two. I didn't need to react, did I. I should just have said grrr, preferably internally... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jeri Date: 08 Sep 21 - 01:40 PM Steve, while I'm pretty sure you already hate me, I'll share this anyway. I once complained to an acquaintance that a person kept saying things on Mudcat that were stupid, and annoying, and I felt like I had to do something about that. He told me "Don't play with trolls". I said, "But he's so wrong and what he says shouldn't be allowed to stand unchallenged." He said "Don't play with trolls." While people may not BE trolls, when they provoke an emotional response in you, the messages are trolling. Don't play. And me, I'll shut up and f*ck off in accordance with imagined reaction to this. Please carry on. (My "troll" was Martin Gibson, if anyone remembers.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Sep 21 - 01:23 PM Donuel and Mrzzy, you are both guilty of generating misinformation and/or scaremongering in this thread, so your little sideswipes are, shall we say, not exactly appreciated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Sep 21 - 12:43 PM Long-COVID is certainly a one-two punch against the brain and lungs of the sufferers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 21 - 12:26 PM THIS IS YOUR BRAIN-THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON DRUGS DRUGGIES USE NEEDLES 50 years of anti drug propoganda later it is stuck in some brains. So what do antivaxxers hear; This is your brain, this is your brain on vaccines. Just say No! People have been conditioned to not even respect the lives of drug users. I suggest -THIS IS YOUR DEAD BRAIN ON COVID because it was not vaccinated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 21 - 09:39 AM The chaos of uncertainty combined with stupidity will make this Fall the most challenging time in the coming 'Multidemic' of flu combined with Covid variants and common colds spread by schools. We found that the spit tests are not accurate and sequencing is best. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 08 Sep 21 - 09:34 AM Pot, kettle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 21 - 09:18 AM That is why stupid people react poorly to sarcasm. In text you can not hear the 'sarcastic inflection'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Sep 21 - 08:37 AM Yes, one little lie or the propagation of misinformation can spread fake news like wildfire, true enough. Something that Mudcat posters could reflect on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 21 - 08:28 AM Based on my experience with 12,000 hypnosis subjects I am certain people are more than predisposed to a 'lie' than most people would expect. An evolutionary adaptation could be the weakest link in our psychology and be the fatal flaw which reverses rational thought in human beings. I have long warned that without being educated to our own likelyhood of hypnotic programing we are ever prone to its negative effects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 21 - 07:54 AM Yes a UK doctor lied about the vaccine autism threat and it spread like wild fire. How do crazy ideas develop? Sometimes a grain of truth like this could be read by a screen writer and base a comedy series BRAIN DEAD https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4877736/ about a parasite causing the brains of consevatives to go insane, to one day 2 years later turning into the magic parasite killing Ivermectin to be a cure for Covid. I am kidding about this series of events but all it takes is one little lie to capture millions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Sep 21 - 05:50 PM Years ago a flawed paper was written by someone who fabricated the data that had to do with childhood vaccinations that might have mercury and autism. It was rubbish, it was withdrawn, the authors censured, but it continues to live a life of its own in the hands of anti-vaxxers. It turns out there was a similar paper to do with Ivermectin that was withdrawn for data and ethical problems, but that continues to be the source of a lot of the misinformation about Ivermectin and COVID-19. Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns The preprint endorsing ivermectin as a coronavirus therapy has been widely cited, but independent researchers find glaring discrepancies in the data An excerpt from the Guardian article: The study found that patients with Covid-19 treated in hospital who “received ivermectin early reported substantial recovery” and that there was “a substantial improvement and reduction in mortality rate in ivermectin treated groups” by 90%. “The main error is that at least 79 of the patient records are obvious clones of other records,” Brown told the Guardian. “It’s certainly the hardest to explain away as innocent error, especially since the clones aren’t even pure copies. There are signs that they have tried to change one or two fields to make them look more natural.” People who don't do a close reading on papers like this end up spreading the wrong information. And a lot of people apparently didn't read very carefully. This article was published July 15, 2021 in The Guardian |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 07 Sep 21 - 05:02 PM From The Guardian. Judge reverses order forcing hospital to treat Covid patient with ivermectin "Judge cites lack of ‘convincing evidence’ that drug is effective, siding with hospital that refused to administer medication. On Monday, Judge Michael Oster of Butler county issued an order that sided with West Chester Hospital, citing a lack of “convincing evidence” that the drug – used in small doses in humans against external parasites such as headlice, and in larger doses for animals including cows and horses – could significantly improve the patient’s condition." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Sep 21 - 02:07 PM 345 children in Texas were hospitalized with COVID-19 on Saturday. Just Saturday. Meanwhile, data from the CDC. . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Sep 21 - 10:48 AM I noticed this story this morning: The W.H.O. lists Mu as a ‘variant of interest.’ Whack-a-mole indeed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 05 Sep 21 - 07:40 PM Australia - COVID vaccine certificates can be forged within 10 minutes due to 'obvious' security flaw. Near-perfect forgeries of the federal government's COVID-19 vaccine digital certificate can be made in 10 minutes using free software, a member of the public has discovered. Richard Nelson, a software engineer in Sydney, has found an "obvious" security flaw in the Express Plus Medicare app allowing him to make vaccine certificates with any name and date of birth and featuring the background animations meant to prevent forgery. (read on) As I don't have a smart phone I printed mine out, the background is just the Oz coat of arms, now all I need is a 10x8 photo frame to carry it around! I also have in my wallet the little cardboard appointment folder the medical centre gave me after my first vaccine. It has 2 stickers signed by the nurse giving details of each injection. sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 05 Sep 21 - 06:30 PM From the BBC. "Brazil and Argentina's World Cup qualifier was abandoned just minutes after kick-off on Sunday after Brazilian health officials objected to the participation of three Argentine players they believe broke quarantine rules. The visitors walked off the pitch at the Corinthians Arena after the officials came out to stop the game. The dramatic intervention came hours after Brazil's health authorities had said four England-based players for Argentina had to quarantine." Brazil v Argentina abandoned after visiting players accused of Covid violation ++ Vaccine passports in nightclubs and other indoor venues in England will be required at the end of this month, the vaccines minister has confirmed. Nadhim Zahawi said it was the right time to start the scheme for sites with large crowds as all over-18s will have been offered two jabs by then. Asking people to show certificates with Covid vaccination proof has been criticised by venues and some MPs. Mr Zahawi said it would ensure the economy could remain open." Covid-19: Vaccine passports to start in England this month |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 05 Sep 21 - 11:11 AM Shit, I have never won at whack a mole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 05 Sep 21 - 10:14 AM A future of perpetual varient whack a mole... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Sep 21 - 09:21 AM The Present and Future of COVID Variants Experts stress testing, vaccination amid delta surge In fact, variants have continued to develop and spread since the emergence of delta. The World Health Organization has designated variants Eta, Iota, Kappa, and Lambda “variants of interest” and is tracking 13 additional variants that originated in the U.S., Brazil, the Philippines, Indonesia, Colombia, and other nations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 05 Sep 21 - 08:50 AM i am on a varient hunt. The Columbian 'blue' varient seems to have some vaccine resistance but little is known yet. Not all varients gain prominence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 04 Sep 21 - 02:57 PM Triage - Automatically send to the bottom of the list: anti vax toxic substance self medicaters, who are hell bent on winning their Darwin awards... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Sep 21 - 12:36 PM That reminds me, I need to give the dogs their heartworm monthly medication this weekend. Ivermectin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 04 Sep 21 - 12:15 PM From The Guardian newspaper site. "An Oklahoma doctor has said overdoses of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin, which many believe without evidence can prevent or cure Covid-19, are helping cause delays and problems for rural hospitals and ambulance services struggling to cope with the resurgent pandemic." Oklahoma hospitals deluged by ivermectin overdoses, doctor says |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 04 Sep 21 - 07:35 AM It is said that politics today is the new religion. The new varient of concern is called the mu varient. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 03 Sep 21 - 06:59 PM Raindog I scanned the crowd and identified about a half dozen women. All the rest could have been suffering from testosterone poisoning? Political protestors are usually religiously motivated and have decided to be bioterrorists, especially against children, in their anti vax crusade. Forgive them for they do not know what they do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Sep 21 - 02:20 PM Will things ever return to 'normal'? From The Guardian Anti-vaccine protesters try to storm London offices of medical regulator "Police have prevented anti-vaccine protesters from storming the headquarters of Britain’s medical regulator during violent clashes in east London. At least four officers were injured and arrests were made during a confrontation as hundreds of people gathered outside the offices of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in Canary Wharf. Police drew batons and called for reinforcements as protesters attempted to force open the door of the regulator’s offices, with security guards looking on from inside. Some of the crowd who had gathered at Canary Wharf were later involved in another confrontation outside the Science Museum vaccination centre in Kensington, west London." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Sep 21 - 11:14 AM You don't need hindsight to see how stupid are some of the alternative faux-remedies, yet people announce to the world what they're taking instead of the vaccine. We live in an era of willful stupidity. Streaming podcsts personality Joe Rogan is one of those idiots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 03 Sep 21 - 10:29 AM The US allowed 15 million doses of Pfizer to expire but there are reasons and excuses just like everything else that ends in tradgedy Pyroclastic clouds burned villagers to a crisp The hurricane hit our cities like a fist Red tide poisoned fish and folks alike A Billion viral graves are about to spike Once in a lifetime, twice in a week The astroid was just a sliver the creek's now a mighty river The smoke made noon look like midnight The crops all died of blight Once in a lifetime, twice in a week Fever and fits from small ticks It hit a 100 in the Arctic Permafrost began to burn marked a point of no return Once in a lifetime twice in a week. Extinction became redemption from the pain to come It wasn't bleak for everyone It was a golden age for some. Once in a lifetime twice in a week |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Sep 21 - 07:53 AM At last, sanity prevails (at least on this matter) From the BBC EU and AstraZeneca reach deal to end vaccine row "The EU and UK-Swedish drug-maker AstraZeneca have settled a row over a shortfall in coronavirus vaccines that affected the European rollout earlier this year. AstraZeneca has agreed to deliver 200 million doses of its vaccine, which had been promised under a contract, to the EU by the end of March 2022. The deal puts an end to the EU's pending action in the Belgian courts. The EU said this week that 70% of adults had been double vaccinated." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 02 Sep 21 - 10:55 AM Australia has a small but vocal collection of nutters & anti vaxxers. A member of the ruling (rightwing) party in our federal parliament is one of the noisiest & has just left his party to join one even further to the right. This party is owned by a billionaire who spent $60 million on misinformation & outright lies last federal election & did not gain a seat, leading to the IKEA shop in his neighbourhood putting up a ginormous poster above their building saying he could have bought a seat from them for $39! Craig Kelly’s move to Palmer’s United Australia Party Someone recently said on Sydney radio We don't have enough villages for the idiots we are producing & a local cartoonist produced a great cartoon on that theme on 31st August |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Sep 21 - 10:15 AM Meanwhile, in highly educated countries, this nonsense continues to happen: Sydney Covid patient in Westmead hospital after overdosing on ivermectin and other online ‘cures’ Patient, who suffered vomiting and diarrhoea, part of trend hospital is seeing of people taking unproven substances I read yesterday that the GOP radio host Rogan was COVID positive and was taking all of the Trump-approved medications, and Ivermectin. #ShakesHead |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Sep 21 - 06:04 AM From the website statista.com (google "Number of administered coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine doses per 100 people in Africa as of August 28, 2021, by country") Fifteen African nations have fewer than two people in every hundred even partially vaccinated. At the bottom of the pile is the DRC, with a population of 105 million, one in every thousand of whom have received any vaccine. Taking Africa as a whole, around seven people in every hundred have received any vaccine. We are not safe until everyone is safe. We've hardly got started. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 21 - 07:13 PM Another varient has emerged from South Africa. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 21 - 12:21 PM We are not banned from EU at this time. There are only obvious recommendations to steer clear of our unvaccinated. The vaccinated can still be carriers and can get sicker than they may expect. Delta packs a big punch of transmissabilty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Aug 21 - 09:53 AM My daughter is preparing for a trip to Italy at the end of September. Her plans for Japan were scuttled months ago, this is the substitute. Who knows if she'll get to go anywhere after four more weeks pass. |
