BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 03:35 PM

A pandemic related thread? How odd. I was expecting a market crash post next.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 04:47 PM

Steve Shaw:
If one in a hundred of us is infected, then 99 in a hundred are wearing masks for no good reason and are not protecting anybody.

There may be many wearing masks to protect themselves from the 'one in a hundred' who is infected yet doesn't wear a mask. The one infected person in a hundred does not necessarily know that they are infected.
So the other 99 are not wearing masks for 'no good reason'. They are protecting themselves, and by doing so are are protecting others by avoiding some of the risk of catching Covid.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 05:08 PM

Nigel, I've undertaken to not discuss this. You've seen the post. So it's rather unfair of you to challenge me, frankly. I completely disagree with you, but that's as far as I'm prepared to go for now.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 08:32 PM

yada yada yada
Lets get back to whats important, his feelings
In the land of the annoyed when the Earth and life was destroyed
in novel new ways as it has been for billions of years,
Manunkind could 'end' in a pyramid myriad of alerts and fears.
There were digital attack alerts, domestic terrorist alerts and climate
fire flood and tsunami alerts even Hawaii flirted with nuclear alerts.
What I will miss in advance, are mysteries and histories left unknown,
not just human mysteries but of whales wondering about the space
between our fingers and the dark of the deep.
Secrets of all life that time will forever keep.
Mutations won't drive evolution into a rapidly changing world
as much as our exogenetic genes from our past that turn back on.
Life may spread by pan spermia and death may spread by space virus.
We don't really know what is next for us.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 08:37 PM

Complete bollocks (which started with yada yada trolling). Still, as long as you're enjoying life.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 06:38 AM

Its worse than the Spanish flu.

Hard nose, red nose
some cut it off
When science is denied
the gift of life is lost

When loved ones died
of course we cried
from the terrible cost
of nature's holocaust

Here is the cure
"But I'm not sure"
Please take it anyway
"Perhaps I should just pray"

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 10:14 AM

Nigel stated facts, Steve, he didn't challenge you. And if anyone else states facts you can take it from me now that they're simply stating facts, they're not here to challenge your opinion.

Update: JUST STOP the arguing and discussing moderation. You've said the same thing over and over and this won't end well if you keep it up.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 11:29 AM

Statistics can be shocking and factual. In the US we are burying a pandemic victim every 35 seconds.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 12:01 PM

Here in the UK we just bury them once.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 12:06 PM

Robomatic, another shocking statistic is from Alaska that reported more deaths than births for the first time in our recorded history. One statistic means next to nothing but a myriad of statistics start to tell a tale that is incontravertible.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: DaveRo
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 04:10 PM

Donuel wrote: ...another shocking statistic is from Alaska that reported more deaths than births for the first time in our recorded history

Unsurprising. The population increase in the US is very low - about 0.35% in 2020 (ref). It suggests to me that the mean age of the population of Alaska is increasing a bit more than other states.

Bear in mind also that most Covid deaths are brought forward a year or two, and births are the result of, er, sentiment, 9 months earlier. So it depends on the period that the statistic applies to.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 06:00 PM

Vaccines are the only way out of this. Boris says that his priority is to protect the British people via booster jabs. The World Health Organisation calls for the west to suspend boosters in order to get the rest of the world jabbed all the faster. I know who's right.

But I'll still take the booster when offered...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 05:58 PM

Rain Dog, best guffaw in weeks!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 06:29 PM

Yeah, don't ask me why, but Raindog's quip reminded me of that yarn about Bono (the most pretentious man on the planet apart from Sting, or possibly Geldof): "At a U2 concert in Glasgow, Bono asks the audience for some quiet. Then in the silence, he starts to slowly clap his hands. Holding the audience in total silence, he says into the microphone, 'Every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa dies.' A voice from near the front pierces the silence: 'Well, stop clapping your fucking hands then!' "

Anyway, enough of the diversions. Back to the substantive. Joe wants the world vaccinated. He's yet to tell us how it can be delivered, but I like the sentiment. The way out can only be by vaccination, and we are not safe until everyone's safe.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 07:00 PM

Good Bono joke.

That kind of humour is on display in a good show to watch during the Covid Continuation: Ted Lasso. It celebrates the mutual appreciation between our two sides of the Atlantic Ocean, where an American football coach is hired to manage a Manchester UK football team. I'm quite enjoying it.

The local headlines have been focused on our sad rate of Covid infection, which apparently leads the nation in per capita cases. According to the Daily News, people have died due to lack of availability of treatment room and proper medical equipment. Because of our low overall population the death count is very low. Most people I interact with are healthy, masked, or both. Our schools are open for now. The epidemologists are calling attention to the likelihood that Alaska lags the other states, so they hope our numbers start to decline within a week or so after the Labor Day celebrations.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 09:38 PM

All Idaho, Alaska and Montana hospitals are on [crises status].
translated: The entire state is on a kind of DNR where a triage of patients will now deny hospital service to those who are judged to probably not survive. This will apply to all patients whether they have Covid or not.
The mantra of the right that safety standards be it masks, vaccines or other mitigating procedures is a 'personal matter' is clearly not true.

I suppose this is happening due to the thin healthcare network in those states as well as the overwhelming pandemic numbers. I'm sorry, people are more than just numbers.
This development is a challenge for gallows humor comedians but I'm sure it can be done. I imagine 'crises status' might work well all the time to save money, time and suffering for patient's families, besides the dead don't pay hospital bills reliably.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 11:57 PM

Washington Governor Criticizes Idaho Leadership: “Stop Clogging Up My Hospitals”

Washington Governor Jay Inslee (D) criticized Idaho leadership, saying that Idaho Governor Brad Little’s (R) disregard for the Covid-19 pandemic is “clogging up” Washington’s hospitals.

“Today in my state, Washington citizens in many cases cannot get heart surgery, cannot get cancer surgery that they need, because we are having to take too many people of unvaccinated nature and unmasked, many of whom come from Idaho, and that’s just maddening frankly,” Inslee told MSNBC.

“So we are calling for Idaho and the leaders there to lead and take some commonsense measures,” Inslee continued. “I’m disappointed the governor of Idaho has spent more time trying to reduce protection by reducing vaccine usage instead of concentrating on this, and then clogging up my hospitals.”

Inslee proceeded to criticize the Republican Party in its entirety.

“Unfortunately, that entire party, the other party, is not helping out, pulling on the rope here. Many states are in the same position and many governors will experience the same frustration I have. So it’s time for people to start pulling on the rope and do an American duty. Get vaccinated, have useful use of masks where appropriate. If we do these things, we know we can best this pandemic,” he said.

Health care workers are exhausted as Idaho’s Covid-19 cases continue their upward trajectory.

“The numbers continue to increase, and we expect them to continue to increase,” said Dave Jeppesen, the director of the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 03:37 AM

I'm looking at the state government COVID regulations page & there it is - a bald statement, but oh, how so true what with anti-vaxxers & "freedom" marchers around. COVID-19 RULES IN NSW

It also rules in other places around Australia.

In Melbourne, Australia's 2nd largest state capital "Freedom" marchers have taken over in the past few days. Yesterday they occupied the
Shrine of Remembrance

As someone said recently, we don't have enough villages for the idiots we are producing.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 04:08 AM

There was a village built of crumbling clay and rotting wood, and it squated under a broiling sun like a sick and mangy animal that wanted to die. This village had a virus shared by its people. It was the germ of squalor, racism and hopelessness. Those who claimed faith had lost their faith. For the faithless the hopeless and the misery laden, there is time, ample time, to engage in one of the pursuits of men. They began to destroy themselves. Every person had their own side, their own facebook page and harbored in the safety of annominity, their savory hate.
Gradually that hate grew openly and expressed itself beyond the digital world into the streets, into the school board meetings and into their guns with bullets. The only reward was the self satisfaction of owning or disgracing the other side. There was the sickening competition of the number of the dead. The only good dead were the 'other' ones. Sadly your own tribal dead were the real people, the decent folk who hated all the right folks.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 05:47 AM

The US has more than 2,000 agonizing Covid deaths per day.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 08:20 AM

There seem to be several youngsters with Covid in our village, quite a few in our street. And what puzzles me is that their siblings are happily strolling down our road to board the school bus to the high school, or moseying down to our little village primary school. I would have though all members of a 'Covid household' should be quarantined until they all test negative?
Since my husband cleans at the same school, I'm worried he may be exposed to these 'carriers'. He seems to believe that the two jabs he's had are magic and he'll never get Covid! The pupils are all around him during the afternoons, and he's cleaning toilets etc. He promised me he always wears his mask and visor.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 09:25 AM

Confidence is emotionally good. The odds of a vaccinated death is much less than 1% percent but getting the variant (Breakthrough infections) can go up as much as ~20%.

J&J says 2 shots brings their protection up to 100% but the other vaccines don't go that high.

at least thats the NIH propoganda I have been taught.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 09:29 AM

Perhaps you could run that by us again, this time in plain language...?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:12 AM

That's perfectly good and clear English. And this morning Walensky over-ruled the board and included people in high-risk (exposure) jobs to get the booster also.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:34 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/24/absolutely-madness-melbourne-teenagers-reveal-they-are-behind-leading-covid-tracking-website (clicky didn't work - dunno why, can you fix it please Stilly.

It turns out one of the most authoritative Covid-19 tracking sites in Australia is run by three teenagers.

The trio, who have been running CovidbaseAU, became part of their own statistics after getting their first doses of the Moderna vaccine in Melbourne.

The identities of the brains trust behind CovidbaseAU had not been public before Thursday afternoon, when 14-year-old Wesley with Jack and Darcy, both 15, tweeted a photograph of themselves ...

Nick Evershed, the data and interactives editor at Guardian Australia, said CovidBaseAU had done impressive work collating hard-to-find information.

“There has been a few occasions, particularly with the numbers around vaccine imports and supply, where I’ve cross-checked my numbers against theirs,” he said ...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 12:44 PM

Guardian clicky as above

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:04 PM

I take all Donuel's post with a pinch of ivermectin.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:18 PM

That makes horse sense to me...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:43 PM

Many aspects of this discussion - we've seen them somewhere before.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 07:35 PM

thanks, Nigel, when I posted the link the last few letters were left off - several times. Each time I re-posted, I made sure the entire URL had been copied, but it still left them off.

One Of Life's Little Mysteries!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:02 PM

Raindog I am a spectator like everyone else but on this issue I have a front row NIH seat. If you want Nobel prize winners you should seek another website.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 09:43 AM

I believe we are all biased to negative news. This is compounded by a confusion between evolving research, actual data and the fears and conspiracy speculations of the insane or those with a political agenda.
The Martin Gibson's in society, whacko people with a MD after their name and narcicists go to great lengths to give the illusion of points of view and bogus authority that can beguile even highly intelligent people to believe that the negative news is larger than it is. People I know actually begin to think in terms "if all those doctors say...then it must be true". This week the conspiracy crowd has surpassed all of its previous damaging rhetoric. It is so perverse, not even I will repeat it.

Life, liberty and happiness. If you don't have life you can't have liberty, if you can't have liberty you can't have happiness. Save your life by staying alive with vaccines.

So its time to get the flu shot again, get it, and get it early.
Its actually less reliable than Covid vaccines but more likely to help you than facebook. imo
And don't forget the good news is much larger than you can even imagine despite the bias to nocticing bad news.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 10:54 AM

i have never botherd with the flu jab it is one instance where i would prefer to build up my immune system mind you i have not had a bath for 25 years so most people smell me and run,
but each to their own

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:25 AM

.. on the other hand...

When I started getting the flu jab 2 or 3 years ago,
that was a positive turning point in my life..

Prior to that I could count on most Januarys or Februarys being wiped out by a nasty bout of Flu..

It was even worse for the years I was actively keeping fit and strong in the gym..

Apparently that healthy lifestyle weakens resistence to winter bugs...???

===========================

"This week the conspiracy crowd has surpassed all of its previous damaging rhetoric. It is so perverse, not even I will repeat it."

Donny - don't be so precious...!!!

If there are new strains of conspiracy theories,
this is the thread were we need to be alerted to them...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:49 AM

Simply the data as you will, I won't do it for you.
viral mutation rates

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:53 AM

OK the new conspiracy https://www.techtimes.com/articles/265811/20210924/anti-vaccine-facebook-groups-imploring-people-stay-away-icu.htm

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 12:09 PM

Donny - ok..Thanks...

'Knowledge is power'...!!!'

For a lifelong pacifist, I have big respect for military maxims

.. Best of all "Know thy enemy"...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 01:20 PM

As a pacifist I favor the elixer of peace similar to the ancient Greeks at Elysium. Old solutions can be repeated. However there is wisdom in the Art of War when it comes to conflict and conflict avoidance.
We are doing amazingly well so far in our struggle for health.
That people often do not like being told what to do is a rock in our sock.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 01:33 PM

Article in The Guardian today.

How the US vaccine effort derailed and why we shouldn’t be surprised

Low vaccine rates may be the predictable outcome subject to entrenched social forces that have diminished American health and life expectancy since the 1980s, health researchers say

The Guardian

"The story is one example of how the United States purchased enough vaccines to inoculate its entire population, and even potentially embark on a round of booster shots, but health professionals found lacking another essential element essential to a successful vaccination campaign: trust.

That lack of confidence garnered the United States an unenviable distinction – in mid-September it became the least vaccinated member of the world’s seven most populous and wealthy democracies, or “G7,” which includes Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan."

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 01:40 PM

Let's see if this goes through, it's a New York Times article to subscribers: Red Covid is an article that complements the Guardian article linked above.

With the death count rising, at least a few Republicans appear to be worried about what their party and its allies have sown.

In an article this month for Breitbart, the right-wing website formerly run by Steve Bannon, John Nolte argued that the partisan gap in vaccination rates was part of a liberal plot. Liberals like Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Anthony Fauci and Howard Stern have tried so hard to persuade people to get vaccinated, because they know that Republican voters will do the opposite of whatever they say, Nolte wrote.

His argument is certainly bizarre, given that Democratic politicians have been imploring all Americans to get vaccinated and many Republican politicians have not. But Nolte did offer a glimpse at a creeping political fear among some Republicans. “Right now, a countless number of Trump supporters believe they are owning the left by refusing to take a lifesaving vaccine,” Nolte wrote. “In a country where elections are decided on razor-thin margins, does it not benefit one side if their opponents simply drop dead?”

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 02:04 PM

And then there's this—We Need to Rethink Our COVID Testing Priorities

Rapid antigen COVID tests are cheap to produce, easy to use, and can report results in a matter of minutes. They’re a powerful tool for stopping the spread of COVID because they allow people to test frequently and, if results are positive, quarantine immediately rather than waiting one to five days for a PCR test result. So why hasn’t the U.S. embraced rapid antigen tests more fully? Michael Mina argues that the country has overlooked the power of rapid antigen tests because we’ve been consumed by a singular focus: vaccines.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 02:41 PM

It seems you have to sign up to read all of the New York Times article.

I did read the Nolte article. It reads like a spoof piece but unfortunately it is not. I did search further on Nolte. It would appear he has been vaccinated and urged others to do so as well. That seems to upset some of his twitter followers.

Article from The Atlantic on the same subject.

The Conservatives Who’d Rather Die Than Not Own the Libs

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 03:34 PM

I agree that frequent testing is a big part of the fight. As far as I know, lateral flow test kits (not the same thing, I know) are still freely available here. There have been rumblings from the government that perhaps we should be paying for them. Bad move. I have a small stash of them in a cupboard. They have been accused of being unreliable. Well I've used them twice now and I regard meself as a fairly rigorous chap when it comes to carefully following orders. They are not especially easy to use, at least for the first couple of times. I suspect that they're quite reliable - when used correctly.

But, and I don't mind saying it again, it's all about getting the world vaccinated. I looked earlier at the state-by-state vaccination rates in the US. I noticed, broad brush, that many of the states below 50% vaccination are in the south/Bible Belt. I'll let you tell me the reasons for that.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 04:58 PM

One result of not testing and not vaccinating is that Idaho morgues are running out of space for bodies as covid-19 deaths mount.

Yes, after a few views, various newspapers require subscriptions. The Washington Post is only $4 a month after a free six month trail if you have Amazon Prime. The Times is pricier. But try a different browser or go in and clean out your cookies to reset the monthly allowance. I subscribe to The Atlantic also, so tend to post a lot of their stuff also.

Here's a bit from the link above:

Dave Salove has watched his morgue fill with bodies. Covid-19 victims have poured into the funeral home he runs in Boise, Idaho, in recent weeks, as the state contends with an unprecedented spike in deaths driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus. His 16-slot refrigeration room is over capacity. Other funeral homes have neared a tipping point, too.

Intent on avoiding the makeshift morgues that cropped up in the Northeast during the pandemic’s first wave, Salove this week brought in a refrigerated trailer to hold the growing number of dead. By Friday, there were seven corpses inside, up from two the day before. Six more were on their way from another facility.

“I’d barely gotten it installed, and we had to start using it,” Salove said. “Right now, we are seeing that spike.”

As covid-19 deaths reach record highs in the state of 1.8 million, hard-hit areas are struggling to keep pace with the surge in victims. Some hospitals, funeral homes and coroners say they’ve been pushed to the limit. Some morticians have even started embalming bodies that wouldn’t normally need the procedure so they don’t have to refrigerate them, the Idaho Statesman reported.

The backlog is so bad in some places that people have had to wait weeks to cremate their loved ones.

“We’re so far behind on cremations,” said Lance Cox, owner of Bell Tower Funeral Home in Post Falls, Idaho. “That’s really how it impacts the families the most. You can bring in backup refrigeration options in an emergency, but you can’t bring in a backup crematory.”

The dire situation in Idaho, one of the least vaccinated states in the country, is another grisly illustration of what happens when a state fails to contain infections.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 05:21 PM

.. So we bemused Brits can only surmise state governers and other powerful American politicians
have been immunised against being arrested for corporate manslaughter / murder...???

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 06:51 PM

Sandman why didn't you say you were a frog?
Florida Govenor De Santis has committed virtual murder for some and favortism for the wealthy to get vaccinated first.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 08:38 AM

Alabama has joined the more deaths than births club.
The pregnant are urged to get vaccinated immediately since they are 70% more prone to Delta infection.
Russia is angry at you tube for removing their fake American anti vax videos. Finally harrassment and attacks on health care heros are growing due to the misinformation campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 09:05 AM

Pregnant women are no more prone to catching the delta variant than anyone else, but they are more likely to develop severe illness. Let's stick to the facts.

Alabama has one of the lowest vaccination rates of any US state. Mississippi is another. The reasons for this need to be urgently addressed. Unvaccinated people are a huge threat to everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 10:30 AM

When the big sports stars finally get the vaccination a few more reluctant folks may follow along. A Few NBA Players Aren't Ready To Take The (COVID) Shot

LeBron James got the vaccine recently. That may help.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 12:11 PM

Color me skeptical but I'm sure a major consideration for the legacy-chasing King James was the prospect of not being allowed to play in Brooklyn, San Francisco and perhaps some other NBA arenas due to local ordinances if he went unvaxxed. Imagine the impact he might have had if he'd been promoting vaccinations back in the spring. I agree with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's hard line- "There is no room for players who are willing to risk the health and lives of their teammates, the staff and the fans simply because they are unable to grasp the seriousness of the situation or do the necessary research,"