BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 20 - 06:34 PM

My toothache is going away with ampicillain. My dentist will be making a round trip to San Fran this weekend so I hope I last a couple weeks until Dr. Drillenfill is clear of infection. The worst case of flu I ever got was from a sick passenger on a flight.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 20 - 08:09 PM

"The worst case of flu I ever got was from a sick passenger on a flight."

You don't know that.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 04:56 AM

The worst case of flu I ever got was from a sick passenger on a flight.

So far. A week is a long time with Captain Catastrophe at the helm.


FWIW I am hearing that the UK Gov wants (is?) to ignore death that occur 28 days after the patient has recovered from COVID. So if there is no test? And all we hear from the emerging symptoms is that there are lingering symptoms that are not trivial. As reported by Sir Peter Piot, world expert on infectious viruses. He says you don't want it.

Massaging statistics? All those that say NO - bugger off. We don't need you.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 08:04 AM

Steve, seeing that the sick passenger was seated right behind me and coughed and sneezed all the way with watery eyes I was fairly certain. I woke up after a week to find my wife was uneffected and healthy. But go ahead and feel entitled to know best what I know and feel better than I. I suspect I've judged you too. Grudge not lest you be grudged.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 09:22 AM

Ok, now, here is something weird going on: apparently many, many fewer preemies. Maybe the lockdown gave pregnant women a break?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/health/coronavirus-premature-birth.html

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 09:24 AM

You simply couldn't know for sure whether you caught it from him or even whether you had the same disease as him. I sat next to kids in classrooms for decades and was coughed over and sneezed on and handled their snotty books many times. I rarely got ill and there was not one single occasion on which I could attribute any ague I picked up to any particular pupil. You have a habit of making things up and/or expressing conjecture as certainty. That's all.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 01:41 PM

Oh, Steve Shaw, sometimes you can, indeed, know how you got sick.

Twin A comes home from daycare with a stomach bug. A few days later, Twin B and I and other parent all come down with stomach bug. We got it from Twin A. Who got better and wanted to *play* (they were about 18 months old at the time) while the rest of us wete clinging to life by our buckets.

Niece comes to Thansgiving on a Tuesday night with a stomach bug. By Sunday night, mom, all 4 of us kids and one spouse, all 7 cousins, an ex- and their new spouse, and our 90+-year old guests -only there for the few hours of dinner itself- all had it. In three states. We got it from Niece. The CDC said if it spread beyond the family they would get involved.

So, lay off Donuel. Even if he's wrong about knowing where he got his cold.

That Thansgiving we all got a prize: I got lasy holdout

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 01:46 PM

Oops went to correct that typo and accidentally prematurely posted.

I got last holdout, as I didn't throw up till I got Mom back to DC from Philly, Sunday night.

Wil [Twin A] got best-dressed thrower-upper, for keeping his nice clothes neat despite getting up to barf every half-hour or so.

Tim [Twin B] got his prize for barfing himself out of an armchair without waking up, not to barf, not when landing in a heap on the floor, but I don't remember the name of the prize.

Anyway. Story of epidemic past...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 04:20 PM

It does appear that some people develop a body rash either during or after having covid.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 06:02 PM

Yes rash is a known symptom. Probably to do with the horrible clotting crap.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 08:29 PM

"Probably?" Stop guessing.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 02:33 AM

Probably to do with the horrible clotting crap. - it looks like being careful with words and logic didn't work, you should have just gone with definitely and be ready for the unwarranted criticism.

OK. OK. I am ready now.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 03:35 AM

It's encouraging that the drugs which show signs if being useful are old and cheap - dexamethasone, heparin and colchicine. (Hydroxychloroquine would have been another, if it had worked better). Not everybody researching treatments is trying to make a fortune for the drug companies.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 04:37 AM

Well Mr Red, I have a real thing about people who clearly don't know what they're talking about making "authoritative" assertions about medical matters. In this area above all others we should be sticking to the known facts, not casually risk misleading people. "Probably" means "much more likely than not" and, in the context used, is unsupportable.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 08:30 AM

Europe bans Americans from entry. Even Bermuda has banned Americans.

I started the original thread on the emerging Pandemic, Steve was instrumental in getting it closed. Repeat performances are not welcome.
While I worry, I know how important it is to not give in to despair regarding the pandemic particularly in Trump's America. Tidbits of knowledge as they emerge does save lives.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 11:35 AM

From my experience not even doctors can give an authoritative assesment of future events. There are best possibilities and risk assesments but no guarantees. The words possibly and probably are practicly fraternal twins and are not everyone's pet peeve.

In one of the infection types, micro hemmorages are the causal problem.
Clotting is diminished but is still a problem in effect. Ergo Heperin is used.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 03:41 PM

"Steve was instrumental in getting it closed."

Do expand.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 04:20 PM

"Yes rash is a known symptom."
Strange that the NHS don't seem to mention it.
Nor do America's CDC who show a longer list on their website: Centre for Disease Control
Watch for symptoms
People with COVID-19 have had a wide range of symptoms reported – ranging from mild symptoms to severe illness. Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure to the virus. People with these symptoms may have COVID-19:

Fever or chills
Cough
Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
Fatigue
Muscle or body aches
Headache
New loss of taste or smell
Sore throat
Congestion or runny nose
Nausea or vomiting
Diarrhea
This list does not include all possible symptoms. CDC will continue to update this list as we learn more about COVID-19.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 04:25 PM

Of course, as the thread title specifies "News" rather than conjecture. Here's the latest news on a possible vaccine: BBC: Oxford Vaccine

A coronavirus vaccine developed by the University of Oxford appears safe and triggers an immune response.
Trials involving 1,077 people showed the injection led to them making antibodies and T-cells that can fight coronavirus.
The findings are hugely promising, but it is still too soon to know if this is enough to offer protection and larger trials are under way.
The UK has already ordered 100 million doses of the vaccine.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 05:05 PM

Yes, that is looking promising. Early days, though.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 05:13 PM

The US infection rate is 9.0% and 1 % of the population has already experienced Covid 19.
The UK infection rate is 0.6% .

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 05:35 PM

Meaningless.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 05:40 PM

Well Mr Red,

Like shooting (Mudcat) fish in a barrel. Hardly a sport. But in the era of COVID one does what one can............



Meanwhile the Oxford vaccine is going on to bigger trials and the British Gov has ordered 100 million doses for an anticipated distribution in October, we are told today by the BBC. A gamble, for sure, but cf the furlough pay-outs - not too costly. The doses won't all stay in the UK, that was part of the deal.
And back home: front-line workers, care home staff, bin men, shop workers, then maybe old fogies next.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 08:17 PM

The Oxford vaccine, whilst showing promise, has reached a point at which other potential vaccines have failed, so don't build up hopes.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 08:29 PM

Not true, when compared with Moderna in the US

Col.Blimp has become Debbie Downer.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 08:57 PM

Thanks for the gratuitous insult.

"not true." As ever, you haven't done your homework and you're spouting off without having a clue as to what you're talking about. The vaccine shows promise and looks safe. But every scientist working on the scheme would tell you that many potential vaccines have reached this stage of development, then failed at the next hurdle. I invite you to look that up (as I have).

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 05:50 AM

From the public statements I've seen, the Oxford team are not claiming much long-term effect. Using it in practice would require dosing a very large proportion of the population very quickly and with a lot of booster shots. There is no precedent for a programme like that. In the US, not many healthcare workers would survive the inevitable massacres by gun-toting anti-vaxxers.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 12:33 PM

Aaaand we're worse off than we think.

Murrica!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/health/coronavirus-infections-us.html

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 20 - 05:12 AM

At 1,000 deaths per day in the US the 'good massaged numbers' show the US is 10th worse death rate in the world per capita.

The actual numbers are as always a guarded secret or unknown.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 20 - 08:15 AM

Trump announces masks are OK. As a pandemic wartime president is this his Midway where the US gained its first advantage after Pearl Harbor?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jul 20 - 07:07 AM

And no RNC!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Jul 20 - 06:10 PM

Well, kinda old, and kinda not *this* virus, but interesting!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 06:10 AM

You need a sub to read this. Summary: taking proton pump inhibitors (like omeprazole) makes you significantly more likely to get covid-19; the other major class of stomach acid inhibitors, histamine-2 antagonists, pose no risk.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/933645

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 01:23 PM

Blood group not found to relate to risk upon further research.

Here is one study but I recommend researching your own.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 02:07 PM

What clever little creatures humans are. What a pity they're going extinct.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 06:00 PM

Raise your glass for a toast to Disney and their economic wisdom in reopening in Florida 2 weeks ago. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/health/florida-covid-children-hospitalizations/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 09:50 AM

So far though protests do not appear to be causing additional outbreaks. I am surprised, and pleased.

Here is one source.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/22/trump-coronavirus-briefing-black-lives-matter-protests

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Vic Smith
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 06:08 AM

!!! BREAKING NEWS !!!
The government is increasingly worried about the effect that their impetuous knee-jerk reactions to the coronavirus are having in confusing the public. In particular, the decision to have different regulations for different local lockdowns appears to be understood by very few people, certainly not themselves.
In an attempt to deal with this, they are setting up a body of the leading nineteen Conservative politicians. They will meet regularly to deal with the implications of their past, present and future failures in their reactions to the pandemic.
The body will be called the Committee Overseeing Very Idiotic Decisions. It will be referred to by its acronym and its total of members; the thinking is that calling it COVID 19 will give a good ring to it.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 20 - 08:32 AM

Jared Kushner was actually put on the task force and made plans for contact tracing. All his plans were actually rejected and his involment is now ended.

I actively discredit the conspiracy theories as our enemy be they foreign or domestic. The news that Hispanic children are 8 times more likely to require hospitaliztion and black kids are 5 times more likely than white kids to need hospitalization has me on more shakey ground as to the possible reality of a racial specfic weapon most valued by racists may actually exist in the form of Covid 19. Proof awaits.

The insanity of gas warfare turning against the users at the whimsey of the wind comes to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 20 - 10:55 AM

Close US bars OR close the schools. Ya can't do both without disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Aug 20 - 11:26 AM

Neck gaiters don't help, fleece makes it worse:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/08/us/duke-university-face-mask-test-trnd/index.html

Blicky

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 20 - 01:11 PM

There are fogging issues with glasses but I've stuck with the N-95's

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Aug 20 - 02:30 PM

Meanwhile, in South Dakota:

Thousands of bikers heading to South Dakota rally to be blocked at tribal land checkpoints

Clampdown comes as fears mount that mask-free bikers headed to large gathering could spread coronavirus to tribal groups

The tribal lands are sovereign, and they can keep the bikers out when their lack of protection and precautions as they travel endanger all in their path.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Aug 20 - 03:20 AM

good news - Australian toddler stranded in India helped home by newlyweds

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Aug 20 - 02:04 PM

Aaand Russia claims to have a vaccine. We'll know in 5 years...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Aug 20 - 02:21 PM

Interesting article on telepsychiatry here. For those of us who miss our shrinks...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Aug 20 - 01:20 PM

Also apparently the loss of smell/taste is brain damage to nerves, not trouble with the taste buds or olfactory receptors. Heard on NPR and seen elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Aug 20 - 01:15 PM

I am beginning to lose patience with people not "believing in" science as if it were something subject to faith. Murricans. Sign. Arrgh! Sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: JHW
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 07:34 AM

I've found 'mask-free bikers' a problem. On footpaths a biker may be suddenly there with no attempt at distancing and giving me no time to distance either. Sure a quick encounter is supposedly low risk but they shouldn't even be biking on many such paths.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 03:50 PM

The curious case of a man getting Covid 19 twice is not conclusive. It could be by 2 different strains OR a mild first case did not trigger an immunity response. The confirmed second infection did not present symptoms. These cases are rare so it may not have any bearing on vaccine immunity response.
npr