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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Stilly River Sage 07 Oct 21 - 11:02 AM
Steve Shaw 07 Oct 21 - 07:07 AM
Nigel Parsons 07 Oct 21 - 06:46 AM
Donuel 06 Oct 21 - 05:45 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 11:02 AM

When's the last time you had polio, Steve? Smallpox? Both of those have been vaccinated against for decades (Smallpox not any more because it is considered eradicated.)

Measles? Mumps? Rubella? Whooping Cough? Until the last 10 years or so it was standard for children to get these shots before starting school. Now that there are anti-vaxxers around, there are large community breakouts of these preventable diseases.

It used to be that if you were working in food service you had to first go get a chest xray at the county to be sure you didn't have tuberculosis. You can't work around people if you have it. If you do and don't take your medication, they can quarantine or imprison and force you to take the medication.

Typhoid Mary had to be imprisoned because she refused to stay away from food service and kept making people sick.

Don't be silly about the occasional mandatory vaccine. It's for everyone's good.

Did you know they've just approved a vaccination for malaria? WHO greenlights the world's first malaria vaccine — but it's not a perfect shot. If it doesn't become politicized it may save a whole bunch of lives - particularly of children. If nations want to make compulsory a vaccine for populations for something like this, I'll be in line.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 07:07 AM

I think that it should be up to individual institutions to decide who can enter or not enter. No more government edicts, please. My "vaccine passport" is on my NHS app (to be clear, not the track-and-trace shambles which I deleted months ago). I'd be more than happy to show it if asked at the entrance to somewhere or other. I never have been asked for that, but I have been asked by two neurotic shopkeepers (out of all the dozens of shops I've been to since the great easing-up of July) to put on a mask as a condition of entry. The irony is that my unasked-about vaccinations are invaluable whereas the scruffy, ancient, just-in-case mask shoved in my cargo pants pocket* is almost certainly useless. But if it keeps them happy...

*As with most mask-shunning folk these days...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 06:46 AM

The Welsh Assembly voted on Tuesday evening to introduce vaccine passports for certain large events and large night-clubs.
The vote was carried by a single vote, and would not have been passed but for the inability of one Conservative member to log in to vote from the Conservative Party Conference.
I'm not saying that it was a 'stitch-up', but I'm not aware of any important, or contentious, votes being held (in Cardiff) during the course of the Labour Party Conference.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 05:45 PM

Security Warning: health care workers


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 04:41 PM

And in support of that, here's a piece from todays Guardian. You'll have to google it.

"Facebook is a harmful presence in our lives. It’s not too late to pull the plug on it.
(Jathan Sadowski)"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 04:28 PM

I'm pro-vaccination and we are fully vaccinated. I can't wait for my booster. But I am implacably opposed to compulsion. What kind of world, what kind of "democracy," do we live in when you can force someone to submit to having a needle containing a foreign substance stuck into him, under pain of losing his livelihood? We have to try much harder to persuade, not force. It would help if we could see all the more clearly how those evil people on social media, and those evil preachermen, are doing so much harm. There may be a few thousand people who you'd like to see lose their jobs for refusing the vaccine. But there are tens of MILLIONS who are being persuaded, in effect, to put your whole country in danger by these charlatans. It's about time we all realised who the real enemy is. Sacking people who have been hoodwinked by those charlatans is nothing more than a perverted form of trumpism. Go after the social media idiots and the preachers. And shame on you if you connive in this by subscribing to Facebook.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 04:01 PM

Thats a good idea.
Vaccination rates went way up when employers required employee vaccination or loss of income for refusing. Money seems to matter more than life itself for many.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: leeneia
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 12:03 PM

I get a magazine called The Week, and it seems reliable. It just said that the typical cost of a hospital stay for Covid is over $31,000. If a ventilator and ICU are required, cost is over $300,000.

Maybe if we publicized that, we could conquer some vaccine hesitancy. Tell the battlers something they can understand, something that cannot be turned into an emotional issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 11:12 AM

This week I heard a discussion of the two-month cycle that COVID-19 seems to follow.

Trying to make sense of COVID’s mysterious 2-month cycle
The reasons remain somewhat unclear, and there is no guarantee that the decline in caseloads will continue. But the turnaround is now large enough — and been going on long enough — to deserve attention.

The number of new daily cases in the United States has fallen 35% since Sept. 1. Worldwide, cases have also dropped more than 30% since late August. “This is as good as the world has looked in many months,” Dr. Eric Topol of Scripps Research wrote last week.

The most encouraging news is that the most serious forms of COVID are also declining. The number of Americans hospitalized with COVID has fallen about 25% since Sept. 1. Daily deaths — which typically change direction a few weeks after cases and hospitalizations — have fallen 10% since Sept. 20. It is the first sustained decline in deaths since early summer.

If we're smart we'll be ready for the next cycle. It sounds like there will finally be a supply of rapid COVID tests available in early December (the FDA was initially more interested in a test that needed a doctor's office and 24 hours for the result). I read about people in Europe offering to ship their inexpensive and 98% accurate tests to friends here in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 04:46 AM

For whatever reason, the state of Alaska is in sad shape with covid. Juneau, its capital, is doing better than the state as a whole but the delta variant is still surging here too. That kind of surprises- and disturbs- me, because we have a fairly high rate of vaccinations.

Does anyone care to venture a prediction regarding the virus's persistence? Back a few months I thought 2021 would be a whole lot better than last year but now I'm not even confident about 2022.

What really bothers me is that the longer we take to get ahead of the virus, the more chance it has to develop more mutations.

Willful ignorance is stupidity and in this country we have an awful lot of willful ignorance. Just this last week I discovered that two groups of people I have liked, one of them in Texas and the other in Florida, are among them.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 10:03 PM

Covid News: New Study Finds Pfizer Vaccine Provides Strong Protection Against Hospitalization

The upshot of this article about vaccine research says that Pfizer provided 90% coverage for 6 months:
The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine is 90 percent effective at preventing hospitalization for up to six months, with no signs of waning during that time period, according to a large new U.S. study conducted by researchers at Pfizer and Kaiser Permanente.

The vaccine also provides powerful protection against the highly contagious Delta variant, the scientists found. In a subset of people who had samples of their virus sequenced, the vaccine was 93 percent effective against hospitalization from Delta, compared with 95 percent against hospitalization from other variants.

Further on it says:
Data from Israel indicates that the Pfizer vaccine’s effectiveness against infection dropped to 39 percent in late June and early July, down from 95 percent in January through early April. But it remained more than 90 percent effective against severe disease during that time period. . . . Overall, the vaccine was 90 percent effective against hospitalization and 73 percent effective against infection. Among those who were 65 or older, it was 86 percent effective against hospitalization and 61 percent effective against infection.

This talks about how much protection is restored with the booster:

Pfizer says Israel data shows third Covid shot restores protection from infection to 95% as it makes case to FDA for boosters
A third dose of Pfizer’s Covid vaccine six months after a second shot restores protection from infection to 95% in a real-world setting in Israel, according to data submitted by the company to the Food and Drug Administration.

While the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccine wanes over time, a booster shot was shown to elicit an immune response similar to the protection generated after a second dose, Pfizer said in a 52-page presentation released by the agency Wednesday.

This is good news. I got my booster yesterday.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Oct 21 - 06:59 PM

The book 'Think Again' the power of knowing what you don't know, gives guidance to those undecided about vaccine by way of empathy.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087ZC68VN/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Oct 21 - 07:48 AM

classy


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 09:34 PM

(And don't blame me for that one. It was a Billy Connolly special....)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 09:32 PM

Old McDonald was dyslexic
OIOIE...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 09:27 PM

If you are multi lingual you are correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 01:49 PM

It's one dyslexic to another Don, though I think the version you have is more pronounced.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 12:36 PM

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 09:56 AM

The social changes Covid is causing may call for a change in Maslow's hierarcy of human priorities;
Air, water, food, shelter, vaccination locator and companionship. :^/

PS: SRS, Now that I no longer see Steve Shaw posts on my page I have noticed you sometimes respond defensively to his posts that follow mine. I do not wish to have any reminder of nonsense and would hope you might either ignore or remove what you consider misinformation. A Steve free enviorment helps me think more clearly without narcisist distraction. Thank you for expanding condensed observation into larger forms and website confirmation. Amos advised me repeatedly to show other site confirmations. I finally try more often as time allows. Experts with dyslexia often claim there is no cure but I say they are mostly wrong, with practice it can get much better.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 21 - 02:09 PM


The summer coronavirus surge has started to ebb, but delta’s danger remains


A nationwide decline in new infections and hospitalizations is fueled by sharp drops in Southern states that were hit hard by the highly contagious delta variant. Hospital admissions nationwide crested above a weekly average of 100,000 in early September and are still at levels not seen since the winter, before vaccines were widely available. New infections plateaued in the first half of September, averaging above 150,000 daily, and are now on track to slip below 100,000.


And down the page a bit:
The pandemic marks another grim milestone: 1 in 500 Americans have died of covid-19
In places like Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi and the Carolinas, the latest wave appears to be following a similar pattern of a sharp spike followed by steep plunge seen in the United Kingdom, India and other places battered by delta. Epidemiologists say this pattern suggests the virus is rapidly burning through pockets of unvaccinated people before hitting a wall.

And this:
Experts including Rubin are now paying attention to states in the North and Upper Midwest that are starting to see cases and hospitalizations creep up, which was expected after schools reopened and people gather indoors with few restrictions as chilly weather returns. Case upticks alone are not cause for alarm if hospitalization spikes do not follow, experts said. Public health leaders have largely accepted the novel coronavirus will never be vanquished, instead turning into an endemic threat such as the flu and other respiratory viruses.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 21 - 07:22 PM

Did we really get our 7 Trillion dollars worth of defense from the Defense Department?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 21 - 05:32 PM

I never even thought about Trump just then but instead a familar crumudgeon. The first alerts to pandemic risk were for the elderly, but now the virus is more uniform in infection with a few exceptions.
Trump deliberately lied to improve the financial gains for his investments and the economy at large. Toward the end he was just about the same insane guy he started as. The continual lie was his golden goose, until most of us saw it was sick. imo


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Oct 21 - 03:22 PM

If he had come out with his tepid endorsement of vaccines earlier in the year it would have saved a lot of black lives considering how hard their community was hit by the virus and how much pull he has in that community. I'm not quite ready to canonize him.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Oct 21 - 11:32 AM

Whatever his reason, he changed his mind and got the jab and has told people they should also.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 21 - 07:57 AM

In these glum times I've watched the smart become dumb and the dumb become insane.
I've watched the smart assume what is truth to them and deny research
without evidence and hold dear to their initial opinion.
I've seen the dumb change their minds 180 degrees about vaccines
in order to support their white priviledge candidate.
They are willing to abstractly die for their hateful cause.
Mostly I see the old hold onto brittle beliefs.
The good news is that 9 out of 10 have not lost their minds.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 12:11 PM

Color me skeptical but I'm sure a major consideration for the legacy-chasing King James was the prospect of not being allowed to play in Brooklyn, San Francisco and perhaps some other NBA arenas due to local ordinances if he went unvaxxed. Imagine the impact he might have had if he'd been promoting vaccinations back in the spring. I agree with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's hard line- "There is no room for players who are willing to risk the health and lives of their teammates, the staff and the fans simply because they are unable to grasp the seriousness of the situation or do the necessary research,"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 10:30 AM

When the big sports stars finally get the vaccination a few more reluctant folks may follow along. A Few NBA Players Aren't Ready To Take The (COVID) Shot

LeBron James got the vaccine recently. That may help.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 09:05 AM

Pregnant women are no more prone to catching the delta variant than anyone else, but they are more likely to develop severe illness. Let's stick to the facts.

Alabama has one of the lowest vaccination rates of any US state. Mississippi is another. The reasons for this need to be urgently addressed. Unvaccinated people are a huge threat to everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 08:38 AM

Alabama has joined the more deaths than births club.
The pregnant are urged to get vaccinated immediately since they are 70% more prone to Delta infection.
Russia is angry at you tube for removing their fake American anti vax videos. Finally harrassment and attacks on health care heros are growing due to the misinformation campaign.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 06:51 PM

Sandman why didn't you say you were a frog?
Florida Govenor De Santis has committed virtual murder for some and favortism for the wealthy to get vaccinated first.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 05:21 PM

.. So we bemused Brits can only surmise state governers and other powerful American politicians
have been immunised against being arrested for corporate manslaughter / murder...???


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 04:58 PM

One result of not testing and not vaccinating is that Idaho morgues are running out of space for bodies as covid-19 deaths mount.

Yes, after a few views, various newspapers require subscriptions. The Washington Post is only $4 a month after a free six month trail if you have Amazon Prime. The Times is pricier. But try a different browser or go in and clean out your cookies to reset the monthly allowance. I subscribe to The Atlantic also, so tend to post a lot of their stuff also.

Here's a bit from the link above:
Dave Salove has watched his morgue fill with bodies. Covid-19 victims have poured into the funeral home he runs in Boise, Idaho, in recent weeks, as the state contends with an unprecedented spike in deaths driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus. His 16-slot refrigeration room is over capacity. Other funeral homes have neared a tipping point, too.

Intent on avoiding the makeshift morgues that cropped up in the Northeast during the pandemic’s first wave, Salove this week brought in a refrigerated trailer to hold the growing number of dead. By Friday, there were seven corpses inside, up from two the day before. Six more were on their way from another facility.

“I’d barely gotten it installed, and we had to start using it,” Salove said. “Right now, we are seeing that spike.”

As covid-19 deaths reach record highs in the state of 1.8 million, hard-hit areas are struggling to keep pace with the surge in victims. Some hospitals, funeral homes and coroners say they’ve been pushed to the limit. Some morticians have even started embalming bodies that wouldn’t normally need the procedure so they don’t have to refrigerate them, the Idaho Statesman reported.

The backlog is so bad in some places that people have had to wait weeks to cremate their loved ones.

“We’re so far behind on cremations,” said Lance Cox, owner of Bell Tower Funeral Home in Post Falls, Idaho. “That’s really how it impacts the families the most. You can bring in backup refrigeration options in an emergency, but you can’t bring in a backup crematory.”

The dire situation in Idaho, one of the least vaccinated states in the country, is another grisly illustration of what happens when a state fails to contain infections.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 03:34 PM

I agree that frequent testing is a big part of the fight. As far as I know, lateral flow test kits (not the same thing, I know) are still freely available here. There have been rumblings from the government that perhaps we should be paying for them. Bad move. I have a small stash of them in a cupboard. They have been accused of being unreliable. Well I've used them twice now and I regard meself as a fairly rigorous chap when it comes to carefully following orders. They are not especially easy to use, at least for the first couple of times. I suspect that they're quite reliable - when used correctly.

But, and I don't mind saying it again, it's all about getting the world vaccinated. I looked earlier at the state-by-state vaccination rates in the US. I noticed, broad brush, that many of the states below 50% vaccination are in the south/Bible Belt. I'll let you tell me the reasons for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 02:41 PM

It seems you have to sign up to read all of the New York Times article.

I did read the Nolte article. It reads like a spoof piece but unfortunately it is not. I did search further on Nolte. It would appear he has been vaccinated and urged others to do so as well. That seems to upset some of his twitter followers.

Article from The Atlantic on the same subject.

The Conservatives Who’d Rather Die Than Not Own the Libs


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 02:04 PM

And then there's this—We Need to Rethink Our COVID Testing Priorities

Rapid antigen COVID tests are cheap to produce, easy to use, and can report results in a matter of minutes. They’re a powerful tool for stopping the spread of COVID because they allow people to test frequently and, if results are positive, quarantine immediately rather than waiting one to five days for a PCR test result. So why hasn’t the U.S. embraced rapid antigen tests more fully? Michael Mina argues that the country has overlooked the power of rapid antigen tests because we’ve been consumed by a singular focus: vaccines.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 01:40 PM

Let's see if this goes through, it's a New York Times article to subscribers: Red Covid is an article that complements the Guardian article linked above.

With the death count rising, at least a few Republicans appear to be worried about what their party and its allies have sown.

In an article this month for Breitbart, the right-wing website formerly run by Steve Bannon, John Nolte argued that the partisan gap in vaccination rates was part of a liberal plot. Liberals like Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Anthony Fauci and Howard Stern have tried so hard to persuade people to get vaccinated, because they know that Republican voters will do the opposite of whatever they say, Nolte wrote.

His argument is certainly bizarre, given that Democratic politicians have been imploring all Americans to get vaccinated and many Republican politicians have not. But Nolte did offer a glimpse at a creeping political fear among some Republicans. “Right now, a countless number of Trump supporters believe they are owning the left by refusing to take a lifesaving vaccine,” Nolte wrote. “In a country where elections are decided on razor-thin margins, does it not benefit one side if their opponents simply drop dead?”


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 01:33 PM

Article in The Guardian today.

How the US vaccine effort derailed and why we shouldn’t be surprised

Low vaccine rates may be the predictable outcome subject to entrenched social forces that have diminished American health and life expectancy since the 1980s, health researchers say

The Guardian

"The story is one example of how the United States purchased enough vaccines to inoculate its entire population, and even potentially embark on a round of booster shots, but health professionals found lacking another essential element essential to a successful vaccination campaign: trust.

That lack of confidence garnered the United States an unenviable distinction – in mid-September it became the least vaccinated member of the world’s seven most populous and wealthy democracies, or “G7,” which includes Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 01:20 PM

As a pacifist I favor the elixer of peace similar to the ancient Greeks at Elysium. Old solutions can be repeated. However there is wisdom in the Art of War when it comes to conflict and conflict avoidance.
We are doing amazingly well so far in our struggle for health.
That people often do not like being told what to do is a rock in our sock.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 12:09 PM

Donny - ok..Thanks...

'Knowledge is power'...!!!'

For a lifelong pacifist, I have big respect for military maxims

.. Best of all "Know thy enemy"...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:53 AM

OK the new conspiracy https://www.techtimes.com/articles/265811/20210924/anti-vaccine-facebook-groups-imploring-people-stay-away-icu.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:49 AM

Simply the data as you will, I won't do it for you.
viral mutation rates


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:25 AM

.. on the other hand...

When I started getting the flu jab 2 or 3 years ago,
that was a positive turning point in my life..

Prior to that I could count on most Januarys or Februarys being wiped out by a nasty bout of Flu..

It was even worse for the years I was actively keeping fit and strong in the gym..

Apparently that healthy lifestyle weakens resistence to winter bugs...???

===========================

"This week the conspiracy crowd has surpassed all of its previous damaging rhetoric. It is so perverse, not even I will repeat it."

Donny - don't be so precious...!!!

If there are new strains of conspiracy theories,
this is the thread were we need to be alerted to them...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 10:54 AM

i have never botherd with the flu jab it is one instance where i would prefer to build up my immune system mind you i have not had a bath for 25 years so most people smell me and run,
but each to their own


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 09:43 AM

I believe we are all biased to negative news. This is compounded by a confusion between evolving research, actual data and the fears and conspiracy speculations of the insane or those with a political agenda.
The Martin Gibson's in society, whacko people with a MD after their name and narcicists go to great lengths to give the illusion of points of view and bogus authority that can beguile even highly intelligent people to believe that the negative news is larger than it is. People I know actually begin to think in terms "if all those doctors say...then it must be true". This week the conspiracy crowd has surpassed all of its previous damaging rhetoric. It is so perverse, not even I will repeat it.

Life, liberty and happiness. If you don't have life you can't have liberty, if you can't have liberty you can't have happiness. Save your life by staying alive with vaccines.

So its time to get the flu shot again, get it, and get it early.
Its actually less reliable than Covid vaccines but more likely to help you than facebook. imo
And don't forget the good news is much larger than you can even imagine despite the bias to nocticing bad news.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:02 PM

Raindog I am a spectator like everyone else but on this issue I have a front row NIH seat. If you want Nobel prize winners you should seek another website.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 07:35 PM

thanks, Nigel, when I posted the link the last few letters were left off - several times. Each time I re-posted, I made sure the entire URL had been copied, but it still left them off.

One Of Life's Little Mysteries!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:43 PM

Many aspects of this discussion - we've seen them somewhere before.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:18 PM

That makes horse sense to me...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:04 PM

I take all Donuel's post with a pinch of ivermectin.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 12:44 PM

Guardian clicky as above


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