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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Stilly River Sage 29 Aug 21 - 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 10:15 AM

BBC and Oxford University aren't the lunatic fringe like the original post was, but if you try to search on the topic you're going to mostly hit the scam sites, boosted to catch attention. No one is going to resolve anything about a drug used on head lice anytime soon, so move along. This was another drug in the panoply of Trump's "cures," coming to the surface again now.

From the New York Times: At a Children’s Hospital, a Wave of Young Patients Struggling to Breathe

At Children’s Hospital New Orleans, where the intensive care unit has been jammed with Covid-19 patients, scenes like this have played out unrelentingly over the past month. Nurses raced around monitoring one gut-wrenching case after another. One child was getting a complicated breathing treatment known as ECMO, a last resort after ventilators fail, which nurses said was almost unheard-of for pediatric cases. About a half-dozen others were in various stages of distress.

“We all thought, ‘Well, thankfully it’s not happening to the kids; none of us would be able to stomach that,’” said Mark Melancon, a longtime nurse at the hospital, recalling previous stages of the coronavirus pandemic. “Fast forward to now, and it’s happening with the kids.”

Mr. Melancon said that until this summer, the hospital had treated only one or two Covid-19 patients at a time. Now, a procession of patients require constant attention, their oxygen levels often dipping precariously low without maximum intervention.

As children’s hospitals in many parts of the United States admit more Covid-19 patients, a result of the highly contagious Delta variant, federal and state health officials are grappling with a sharp new concern: children not yet eligible for vaccination in places with substantial viral spread, now at higher risk of being infected than at any other time in the pandemic. Nowhere is that worry greater than in Louisiana, which has among the highest new daily case rates in the country and only 40 percent of people are fully vaccinated, putting children at particular risk as they return to school.


Add the category 4 Hurricane Ida ready to make landfall on New Orleans this afternoon, when people will be needing to see high ground and shelters, and you have another Katrina-style disaster looming. Most American large hospitals are set up with their own power plants now, but the impact will still be serious.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 06:51 AM

From The Observer newspaper.

Covid cases in England are 26 times higher than a year ago.

Covid cases 26 times higher in England

"Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at Reading University, said that in the week ending 20 August, the ONS estimated that 756,900 people in England were infected with Covid-19, which equated to one person in 70.

“This time last year, the ONS estimated that 28,200 people in England were infected. That is the equivalent of one person in 1,900 being infected with Covid-19. That means that community infections are 26 times more common now than they were a year ago, when the population was unvaccinated and the country was three months into its reopening.”

The fact that deaths and hospital admissions from Covid-19 are a fraction of their levels at the height of the outbreak in Britain demonstrates the protective power of the vaccines – more than 60% of the UK population has had two jabs."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 05:51 AM

Having been a somewhat busy chap for the last week, I blinked and missed this (I don't even know who's jumped ship). I can see no good reason for prohibiting the linking to genuine sites that provide neutral reporting of this issue, as Jon has said. There's a danger of being misinformed, true enough. But there's also danger in being uninformed.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 04:16 AM

Sorry SRS delete as you please but if you are going to suggest that sites like the

Oxford University or the BBC (or for that matter the page I gave before which is linked to in the BBC article) are fake. I guess I should be out of here too.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 08:56 AM

It takes a great deal of skepticism to get past the worst of the fraudsters when it comes to medical misinformation: there is a group called "the dirty dozen" who do it all in their own names, but the rest are sneaky. The takeaway from this latest episode is that we can safely assume that hard-hitting medical news stories aren't being generated by the free regional magazines distributed in grocery store racks.

No one needs to leave the Mudcat site over a tiff in the BS section, and everyone gets sucked in by these things at times. They're calculated to get past your common sense defenses. But if the party who first posted decides to leave, we're sorry, and hope you continue to post your wonderful music contributions above the line.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 10:19 PM

I just went through and removed several posts with the links and discussion of that pseudo-medical discussion of Ivermectin and possibly using it for COVID-19.

Its human application is for certain intestinal worms and head lice; it would be reckless to leave that initial post and the politely skeptical responses in place.

Please don't share more sources, "authoritative" or not, about using Ivermectin; there is a blossoming of fake medical sites right this minute producing this kind of information and you're only going to end up landing on those fake news sites if you try to look for actual research into the product.

gillymore's post stands as the lone remaining post on the topic. As I listened to Rachel Maddow discuss this tonight I planned to come back and remove all of this - gillymore beat me to the common-sense punch on the topic.

Let's move on.

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 07:59 AM

Here is what the FDA has to say about Ivermectin-
"FDA has not approved Ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses)."

The article-https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

I'm not a big fan of censorship but until some legitimate studies have been done to prove the efficacy of this drug I propose the moderators remove any posts touting it's usage for COVID19. As Nigel pointed out we have safe and effective vaccines and encouraging people to use this unproven drug while shunning vaccinations will contribute to the continuance of this pandemic. As it stands some internet surfers could light on the pro-Ivermectin posts here and place their health and the health of others in danger.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 10:17 AM

fingers crossed


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 09:59 AM

A friend shared on Facebook this week that her niece was admitted to the hospital for emergency surgery; they're so strapped for staff and supplies that in her bedding they didn't have any pillowcases, they had a towel wrapped around the pillow. Everyone is hoping she gets out of there okay and not just for the surgery recovery reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 09:49 AM

1 in 5 covid deaths are in Florida. 47,858 total deaths in FL.
All the gulf states are hit hard anoung the unvaccinated sending hospitals over 185% capacity. Good news from that region may take until October.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 06:48 PM

Political analist Chai Komanduri made a nuanced observation;
"The methods the GOP employed in denying climate change have been used by the anti vax movement, which hops on any uncertainty in science to claim a certainty in opposing science".

THE RIGHT IS WARY OF LEFT WING SCIENCE LIKE EVOLUTION for religious reasons
What next, is Galileo wrong?
Not even the unvaccinated pandemic and rise in child death seems enough to disuade them.
I wish there was a reset button for our species.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 01:59 PM

For people who had the Johnson and Johnson vaccine and then got a second Pfizer vaccine jab 6 months later made a correct decision.
Johnson boosters 6 months later give a robust immunity advantage as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 06:19 AM

book: Asprin, a cure for stupid?
Unfortunately Asprin does not have as good a safety record as the mrna Covid vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 04:27 AM

Did you read the review?

"Reviewed in Canada on August 10, 2021

I thought it was the product, so I returned it. ordered 10 , arrived 9."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 04:10 AM

Why "Shame on Amazon"?

If a book is published the publisher is entitled to advertise it on multiple market places (including Amazon). At least they included an 'editorial review':
Disclaimer. We have made every effort to make certain that all information is factually correct, comprehensive, and up-to-date. However, this book should not be used as a substitute for the knowledge and expertise of a licensed healthcare professional. You should always consult your doctor or other healthcare professionals before taking any medication. The drug information contained herein is subject to change and is not intended to cover all possible uses, directions, precautions, warnings, drug interactions, allergic reactions, or adverse effects. The absence of warnings or other information for a given drug does not indicate that the drug or drug combination is safe, effective, or appropriate for all patients or all specific uses.

Unfortunately there is, as yet, no cure for stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 08:27 PM

https://www.amazon.com/Ivermectin-Cure-Covid-19-19/dp/1257633252/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=covid+cure&qid=1629764482&sr=8-4
Shame on Amazon for selling this!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 12:57 PM

I fully realize, always assume my posts are with a smile.

People here heard on FOX that a deworming medicine for horses and cattle is good for Covid. The CDC had to make announcements to stop it. They were flooded with poisonings.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 12:28 PM

Donuel:
You may have failed to notice that I wasn't criticising your comment!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 10:13 PM

The rare times a mask is very helpful is when you or another person suddenly sneezes beneath a mask when carrying a viral load in a crowd. Other times is a bit of a crap shoot.
Nigel, its not about 'blobing' anything, its about an unfortunate obcessive psychopathy. I found peppermint too intense.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 07:25 PM

Too many good people who choose positively to wear masks will prove to be
too stupid to wear them safe and effectively...


.. and folks wonder why I've ended up a misanthropic humanist hermit...???


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: mg
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 12:56 PM

Could someone please explain to me why people get upset when people wear masks below their chin When they don't need to have 1 on at all. It might be a matter of personal aesthetics. But I don't understand it from any sort of germ point of view. Certainly more sanitary to just pull your mask up and down when needed than to take it all the way up and stuff in the pocket or purse or whatever.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 12:49 PM

How can 'blobbing something' on the inside & outside of a mask cause a problem? Specifically if you do so immediately after sanitising your hands.
Without using aids (which would also need sanitising) it is impossible to put a mask on without touching it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 05:35 PM

Don't preach to me about masks then tell me that you blob something on the front of it, inside and out!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 05:13 PM

By Jove Steve is jovial lately. Itsa full moon and Jewpeter is in conjugation with Saturn.

Catching covid once vaccinated is better than it was before vaccination
Beware of Dr. Quack's natural cures


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 04:17 PM

Touching the front of your mask is mask abuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:56 PM

Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.

Which is better?

Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.

Now, we're no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.

It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated. And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues.

"We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year," Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.

Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid"

BBC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:44 PM

I made mask wearing more delightful by putting a finger tip drop of lemon extract from the grocery store, I dabbed it where the mask covers the chin inside and out.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Aug 21 - 02:24 PM

Alabama is the first state to run out of ICU beds.
Other states still have beds available in parking garages and tents which is still better than waiting room casulaties while they wait for beds.
Some Heart attack victims can not find a hospital for 100 miles.
Mobile morgue semi trucks are again stacking bodies like cord wood.
Fortunately child deaths from DELTA number only in the low hundreds - 358 nation wide.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 21 - 07:08 AM

The experimental mRNA vaccine referred to targets HIV. You can't have a vaccine for AIDS any more than you can have a vaccine for a headache and sore throat. The clue is in the last letter of the acronym.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Aug 21 - 02:18 AM

From The Guardian newspaper.

"Fully vaccinated adults can harbour virus levels as high as unvaccinated people if infected with the Delta variant, according to a sweeping analysis of UK data, which supports the idea that hitting the threshold for herd immunity is unlikely.

There is abundant evidence that Covid vaccines in the UK continue to offer significant protection against hospitalisations and death. But this new analysis shows that although being fully vaccinated means the risk of getting infected is lower, once infected by Delta a person can carry similar virus levels as unvaccinated people."

Jabbed adults infected with Delta ‘can match virus levels of unvaccinated’


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Aug 21 - 04:25 PM

One of the earlier pandemics is HIV. I hear a new innovative mrna vaccine for AIDS is now ready for trials.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 09:40 PM

latest from New Zealand New Zealand health authorities have recorded four new COVID-19 cases, one of which is a worker at Auckland City Hospital. The country was plunged into lockdown yesterday after recording its first community case of COVID-19 in six months ...

latest from Australia 33 new local cases in my state, most are in Greater Sydney, but too many are in regional & remote areas, including areas with high indigenous populations. Health services in regional & remote areas are not as good as in the major population centres.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 05:24 PM

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has tested positive for COVID-19. He's on monoclonal antibodies and had been vaccinated - for all of the grief he's giving everyone for wanting to mask and social distance, it would serve him right to get the opportunity to face the ICU and see what he's allowing others to go through.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-gov-greg-abbott-tests-positive-for-covid-19/


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Subject: RE: US news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 08:41 AM

The viral load of Delta is 1000 times greater than 19.
That translates into one person infecting 5 instead of 2.
The blessing is the vaccine that keeps severity of infection to a minimum. A "booster" a 3rd vaccine shot - is currently suggested 8 months after the second shot but may likely become standard for all.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 06:23 AM

From The Guardian newspaper.

"New Zealand will go into a national lockdown on Tuesday night, after detecting one case of Covid-19.

The entire country will be at alert level 4 – the highest level of lockdown – for at least three days from midnight, and the regions of Auckland and Coromandel for four to seven days."

Though later in the article it says:

"Ardern said New Zealand would not know if the case was Delta until its genome was sequenced – but that the government would be working under that assumption until informed otherwise. Data released by the Ministry of Health on Monday showed 100% of Covid-19 cases detected at New Zealand’s border in recent weeks had been Delta."



New Zealand to go into national lockdown


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 11:59 PM

In the US Delta infections are up 700%.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: mg
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 11:54 PM

If I come across ineffective measures I will be sure to denounce them. In the meantime, use everything at our disposal. That would include vaccines, ineffective measures that might be miracles, masking, ventilation. There were some very, extremely effective measures that were originally taken, used by many countries, and then blocked. Some countries that were using them successfully are developing countries, the same ones that can not obtain enough vaccines. It was saving their populations. It still can, although more difficult in later stages of disease than in earlier variants. As one doctor (I follow many, many doctors) said, the worst that can happen is that everyone will get dewormed (ivermecting..oh no..it is a dewormer for horses. Great. Animal trials.) This would not keep people from better treatments because there are not many they can be kept from that are not banned. Follow the money, follow the politics, and be aware that there is evil in the world that will take advantage of damn near everything. Vaccinate, treat early, mask, ventilate, strengthen immune system, isolate if you can.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 06:11 PM

After I moved to Glasgow from Edinburgh, I actually lived almost next door to the Virology laboratories of their university, and the chap I knew gave me a 'guided tour'. It occurs to me that had this been Wuhan in the 21st Century, I might have been exposed directly to Covid (if that is in fact where it all started)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 12:12 PM

"Do-si-do your corners now,
pass then side to side.
If they're not mask-wearers,
Pass them extra wide!" ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 09:03 AM

I got the jabs, but I still wear a mask when indoors with other people whose immunization status I don't know.

The jabs are for me, but the mask is for everybody else. I have no way of knowing whether I'm shedding the virus, and I don't wish to find out that I am through contact tracing.

Also, the mask makes parents of small children feel safer.

I'm cool with that.

And when the boosters are available, I'll be right there at the front of the line. With a mask in my pocket, if not on my face.

Here in lovely, leafy Stratford, Ontario, the mask is now something of a fashion statement. I have a purple one from the University of Western Ontario, and two made up in tartan: Perth County, which is green, and Maple Leaf, which is red. (I also have plain white and black ones for when I don't want to attract attention.) Big chain stores such as Canadian Tire and Sobey's issue their staff with trademarked masks. The Bank of Montreal not only put all its staff in blue masks with the bank logo, it also required them to think of an alternative "thanks for doing business with us" gesture so they don't have to shake hands. The young fella who handled my husband's estate account does the namaste thing; I saw another do an "air dap" with a customer. And it's now the polite thing to swing wide when you meet people on the street; nod, smile and wave when you do it, and they nod, smile and wave back.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 08:26 AM

That's all very true. But the vaccines are doing a damn good job and they are tweakable. They are the only hope of defeating the virus, unless it eventually defeats itself, which seems unlikely. What is important is that we don't allow ourselves to be sidetracked by snake oil remedies. All they do is help to perpetuate the crisis by allowing people to feel far more secure than is justifiable. We simply can't have the recommending of evidence-innocent vitamin remedies, the criticising of non-mask wearers yet the defending of people who won't take the vaccine. In the vast majority of cases there is no moral defence for vaccine refusal.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 04:36 AM

I heartily agree with having the greatest respect for science and for proving theories with solid scientific data.
The thing is, this is a fairly new situation, a worldwide pandemic, and
the available vaccines (thank goodness for them!) haven't been around long enough for virologists to ascertain their effectiveness against all mutations of Covid.
There are far too many variables - ethnicity, age, even climate, 'herd immunity', which conditions aid transmission etc etc etc. Only time and careful virological research will give us answers.
I once knew a chap who was a tutor in the Virology Department of Glasgow University (in the Sixties!!) He was extremely informative about viruses and all the research then was fairly new stuff. Little did we imagine in those days that a pandemic of this magnitude and danger would affect the entire globe!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 04:30 AM

Well choose your sources carefully. For example, you could look at the overview of vitamin D in relation to Coronavirus in the highly-respected BMJ (British Medical Journal). In sum, it says that evidence for vitamin D efficacy is sparse, inconsistent, weak and often in disregard of confounding factors. Additionally, you are bigging up out of all proportion the risks of vaccines and you are defending refusers. Demurring at the only thing that will get us out of this whilst promoting ineffective measures is the recipe for prolonging this pandemic.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: mg
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 12:04 AM

you have read differing reports than i regarding vitamin d. i am for vaccinations, although the way we got to them cost hundreds of thousands of lives by denying people access to safe, cheap, early treatments. Still a huge problem. I support vaccinations but I would like to see a bit more respect for those who choose not to vaccinate, especially their teenage boys. There are scary reports out there. There are consequences for vaccines and we need to be brutally honest and demand them anyway i guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 06:53 PM

Vitamin D, etc., has got nothing to do with this. For decades we've been told that massive doses of Vitamin C protects us against colds. My old dad believed that, he still caught colds and he got heartburn from the vitamin tablets to boot. The virus gets into your cells no matter how vitamin-rich you happen to be.

I'm perfectly sane, I don't think for one second that I'm the only one who is, and I'm not delusional. I follow the science. The science says, overwhelmingly, that getting the vaccine is the way out of this. The science around the infectivity of vaccinated people is highly uncertain. The science around masks isn't there. I've asked here repeatedly for evidence but all I've had is that stone-age thing of observational stuff with no regard for confounding factors, largely from "scientists" who suffer from confirmation bias, the true curse of real science. And I seem to be in a very small minority when I refer to the mass misuse and the mass misunderstanding of masks, which can and does lead to a false sense of security and actual danger to the public. Wear a mask, I respect you for that. I should expect the same when I demur, but some of you are so certain that you're right that I almost think that some evangelist or other has been getting at you. Speaking of evangelists, I'll say it again: millions of Americans are refusing the vaccine because their preachers are instructing them. I've kept all the rules but you still have a go. Your silence over the millions of you yanks who are refusing the vaccine, a step that threatens the whole planet, is deafening.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 05:06 PM

Way to go mg. About american N-95 masks I know they come in a multiple of grades and sizes.

Just because some people think everybody else is crazy and they are the only sane unbiased person doesn't mean they are crazy, it means they are delusional.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: mg
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 04:28 PM

you can still infect people vaxed or not. i would continue all practices that you already have and amp them up. see what your vitamin d level is and adjust if you can. huge correlation between levels and virulence of disease. there are early and prophylactic medicines and vitamins you can take. google dr. pierre korry.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 03:10 PM

Juneau, Alaska, is experiencing a spike in reported covid cases, even though the town as a whole is more than two-thirds vaccinated, a much better rate than Alaska as a whole.

After dithering for months - as I reported on the 'Cat- as to whether I dared get the vaccine because of many bad reactions to many medications (I finally realized that if I reacted badly to the vaccine, that would affect just one person, but if I caught the virus not only could I have a bad reaction but I could also infect multiple people- well, it was a no-brainer, and I got the J&J jab the next day). I'm glad I did.

I wear a mask whenever I leave my apartment, even when I'm walking my dog outdoors. I wear it as a statement: Take the virus seriously!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 07:18 PM

I share some of your doubts on the efficacy of masks, Steve, but I also don't think they do me any harm providing I refresh them frequently, which I do. So I will keep on wearing them where they are advised as long as that is the official position. At the same time, I had a meal in a pub last weekend and sat unmasked for a couple of hours. I even went to the bar more than once when I saw it was quiet. I didn't lose any sleep about having put myself in danger as it was quiet enough to maintain social distancing.

When we were first required to wear masks in shops, I used to snatch the mask off as soon as one foot had passed through the exit. It wasn't long before I found myself half way up the car park before I remembered that I still had the mask on. Now, I can't be bothered to take my hands off the trolley before I get back to the car.

As far as people not seeing my face, with my looks, I could be doing the world a service.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 05:29 PM

The bias all lies in the minds of mask supporters, who, understandably, adopt the precautionary principle, in spite of the lack of real evidence (which neither Donuel, Maggie nor anybody else is able to provide). That is a very respectable position, and, as I've always said, one that I do respect. When the law told me to wear a mask, I wore a mask, every time, without demur. I am not a denier or a rebel. But, when masks are voluntary, which they have been for almost all of my life, I'm not going to wear one. I've had my jabs and I'm in good health. If I feel poorly I'll stay at home and not emerge until I've had a lateral flow test. I have a good supply of the test kits, I've tested myself twice and been ok both times (I've had two of the other type of test too, ditto). I comply with the rules and do even more. I'm seventy and am a bit chesty, but I want to live out my life normally, which means you can see my face laughing, smiling, frowning and sticking my tongue out at you. I won't miss the opportunity to do the sotto voce swearing. Wear you mask if you want to and I'll support you. I won't be wearing one, but I don't expect similar respect from the sanctimonious mask aficionados. Too bad.


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