BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 09:27 AM

And the Pfizer vaccine has, through this field-testing by just giving vaccines to the populace, already been found to be too dangerous for people with -wait for it- bad allergies. One blicky.

I was *not* fearmongering. These vaccines are untested for anything other than efficacy.

This is a new *type* of vaccine. We have *no clue* what injecting rna can do. When they first started the polio vaccines hundreds of children got polio till they figured out how to use viruses in vaccines. And that is just an example.

People who are not frontline workers, like me, can afford to wait, though. Not at all saying it isn't worth the risk if you are such a worker. Just saying it *is* a risk.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 06:44 AM

Just a snippet from today's Guardian: rich western nations with 14% of the world's population have bought up 53% of the vaccines. Canada, for example, has bought enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone in the country five times over.

That news has caused me to completely lose interest in where I might be on the UK priority list...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 11:23 AM

A few days ago there were reports, and pictures, of Russians being administered the Sputnik covid 19 vaccine in Moscow.

The BBC news service said that "Russia is starting its Covid-19 vaccination programme, with clinics in the capital Moscow inoculating those most at risk from the virus.
Its own vaccine Sputnik V, which was registered in August, is being used."


This morning BBC Radio 4 news reported that a 90-year-old woman was the first person in the world to receive a covid 19 vaccine outside of a trial as part of its development.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 10:58 AM

On the local news I heard there might be as many as tens of thousands of vaccine doses headed to Alaska that might be available as soon as next week. Now there are half a million folks all over the state so I reckon the doses will be apportioned to:

* Health Professionals
* Elderly and At-Risk Health Situations
* Native and Bush Community.

Since a double dose is the standard treatment, that amount of doses will be absorbed relaively quickly even if, as I understand, a high percentage of my fellow Alaskans will not be eager to undergo vaccination. But it will establish a good base of people who will be examples of folks who got the shot early and did not get sick.

Good news!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 10:34 AM

The English are effin' awesome.


NPR reports the first two jabs went down this morning in England:
DECEMBER 8, 2020.

First was a 91 year old pensioner.

Second was a guy named William Shakespeare.

Already been dubbed: "TAMING OF THE FLU"

God save the queen!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 07:51 AM

..apparently liz and phil are being lined up for a PR jab job...???

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 07:28 AM

"... even if high profile folks do big PR for vaccines ..."

I assume "high profile folks" means people who are successful at sports, or who appear on television programmes with high viewing figures.

If so, the chances of my recognising them (or even having heard of them), let alone being persuaded to follow their examples, are vanishingly small.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 06:29 AM

Telegraph today (page 9)
English pubs in Tier 2 with live music evenings have started making them all-ticket events.
In Tier 2 areas, live music venues are allowed to operate at 50% capacity and serve alcohol to ticket holders at the bar, without them having to order a main meal as well."

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 06:17 AM

I can't see it at present, but there was (maybe not in this thread) a question about whether the virus could by promulgated by farting.
I saw a post on Facebook today which seems to answer this: Facebook

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 20 - 12:42 AM

Trouble is.. in this bonkers internet conspiracy era..

.. even if high profile folks do big PR for vaccines
by getting media event jabs,
conspiracists will immediately insist there's no proof
the injection was anything more than vitamins or any other harmless placebo...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Dec 20 - 10:16 PM

I have read that Catherine the Great got a cowpox / smallpox vaccination in the early 1800s. Apparently it was not done in public and the vaccinating doctor was prepared to flee if things did not go well.

Things went well.

On tonight's news I heard that Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip may be 'first adopters' with the new vaccine. Maybe there will be a public presentation. If only Lucy Worsley can make it!

Maybe Rudy Giuliani can recover some of his lost sparkle with a similar presentation from his hospital room.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Dec 20 - 06:13 AM

State data shows my particuler neighborhood is a hot zone.
Latins here are not mask compliant.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 10:16 AM

It seems that shaming politicians for breaking their own rules is a futile effort. Every day or two I read about someone who decamped for some far away luxury location. I suspect the California politicians who were scolded a few days ago were at the same meeting as these Texas legislators, a week-long 50-people meeting in a Maui luxury hotel. "But ethics watchdogs have long criticized the conference, calling it a junket that hands lobbyists a captive audience of state lawmakers." The industry representatives and corporate sponsors paid $10,000 each to attend. I can't manage to post a link to the ePaper version of this story and it isn't in the html side of things yet.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 10:12 AM

The price of tea in China is going up.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 08:30 AM

I might have already done it in the recipes thread but I'll check. Warning: it's a real rib-sticker... Thigh meat great, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 08:27 AM

Can I use chicken thighs instead of chicken breast?
Chicken breasts don't taste of much, really.

And why don't you just post the recipe, here or in the 'Recipes - what are we eating?' thread, instead of wanting an email, then everyone can enjoy it?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 07:44 PM

Any man who hates Saint Agur is tired of life...

A Gorgonzola piccante would indeed fit the bill. Use a small amount then email me for a killer pasta sauce recipe with chicken breast, double cream and the rest of the pack...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 05:52 PM

Bound to be tory ministers with connections in the dairy industry,
who will be contracting billions of £££s of public money
to produce sub standard PPE cheese plugs...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 05:14 PM

I don't even like eating Saint Agur, never mind plugging my nose with it. (And as far as the adverts go, trying to tell the English how to pronounce it, well the do nasty things with my synaesthesia.)

How about a nice strong Gorgonzola?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 04:23 PM

You're asking the right man. I am a massive cheese aficionado as it happens. But which cheese? Well now. A firm Westcountry farmhouse cheddar would both be not smelly enough and would be a lamentable waste of cheese. I once bought a disgustingly overripe Brie at the pannier market in Barnstaple (bloody delicious). It ticked the stinky box...but it was very soft, too snot-like... I'm not a Stilton man, pongy though it is, and it can be a bit crumbly, which wouldn't fit the bill ("fit the bill"...cheese up nose...see what I did there?) So, for good stink, wide availability and good nostril-friendly texture, I'm going for...

Saint Agur!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 03:39 PM

Steve - which smelly cheese do you recommend to work best
as anti covid nasal plugs...???

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 03:35 PM

Nicely put, dude.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 03:19 PM

I did read the thing end to end, and I found it rather shallow and unnecessary. We don't need to be patronised by a facile metaphor into realising that multiple strategies are needed from all of us to fight the virus. Just give us the unadorned facts. His clever yarn called for far more mental processing than hard facts ever would. And he seemed to be implying that measured naysaying (Steve's take on masks???) could be misinformation. As one of my favourite lecturers used to say if we got a bit flowery in our essays, what we don't need is empty cleverness. Great message, misfire delivery. That's all.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 02:16 PM

Since catching up on this thread today,
I've been walking around with cheese stuffed up my nose.

It's a 110% effective miracle protection against covid..

I can prove this because I can still smell cheese...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 01:58 PM

Steve Shaw, read the article. Well- explained there.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 12:55 PM

Super-gluing lips, nostrils, and eye lids is an option
for improving the effective level of mask protection..

Top charlatan Scientist have yet to agree on the benefits of gluing shut ear holes,
and the remaining bodily entrances..

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 12:46 PM

What "misinformation"?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 12:32 PM

Just ran across this metaphor. Swiss cheese model of pandemic transmission: sure, the Mask slice has holes, but combined with handwashing and social distancing and all the other slices with their holes, you end up with no holes going all the way through. And don't let the Misinformation Mouse nibble any one layer away: sure masks aren't a 100% effective barrier but so what? They are only one slice of our model. Anyway:

Blicky.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 03:23 PM

Not in the least, I am enjoying our upgrade to superfast BT Halo 3!!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 02:23 PM

I told you all bonz seems to be gradually mellowing
and going slightly more centre lefty...

That'll annoy him when he realises...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 01:48 PM

Not bad from someone who hails from the Socialist Republic of Croydon... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 01:16 PM

Bonzo your level headed common sense approach adds no controversy or angnst to the global pandemic discussion. ?:*/

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 12:19 PM

Remember - vaccines are useless if they are not used to vaccinate, and it's all we've got, so all the doubters should stop pretending to be doctors!!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 12:03 PM

Sorry, it was the day before yesterday. Tempus fugits faster than I thought...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 11:59 AM

I did, and I responded at 01.52 pm yesterday. I doubt whether you'll agree with any of it, but hey ho. As I keep saying, I have my opinions and I'm neither a mask rebel nor an anti-mask campaigner. Just a doubter. As it happens, I've just come in from wearing the damn thing for hours this afternoon, just like everyone else. As I think there's a chance that masks may in many circumstances do more harm than good, I think it's fine to voice those doubts. With the approved vaccines so far, on the other hand, the science firmly supports both their efficacy and their safety. Many vaccine doubters are campaigning against vaccines and many are loudly grandstanding their refusal to have it. Now that's what I CALL irresponsible.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 11:41 AM

Steve, did you look at the links Stilly River Sage posted? here.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 09:45 AM

There are lots of people round here, especially among the more elderly, who are saying that they will refuse the vaccine. Well I've decided that I'm not letting that pass. Anyone who sez that to me is in for a bollocking. I've been bollocked here for casting doubts on the efficacy of mask-wearing even though I wear masks wherever I'm supposed to. If I'm wrong about masks, which I may well be, at least I'm not behaving irresponsibly. In my book vaccine-refusers would be much worse.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 06:26 AM

Perhaps you heard of the first ever 'new messenger RNA vaccine'.
Now you know the rest of the story.
As for the complainers, they couldn't stop if they tried.
In the meantime we can try to commiserate with them and calm some fears.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 06:00 AM

The only "risk" attached to approved vaccines is that they won't work as well as predicted. Just think: half the people in the trials received a fake "vaccine" that was totally ineffective. The streets are not strewn with the corpses of either of the two cohorts. if you're offered the vaccine the responsible thing is to take it. You may just be contributing to herd immunity. Don't take it, maybe catch the virus and spread it around a bit? You think that's a respectable stance? Down to you, of course. Free country.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 20 - 12:32 AM

An inside look into the effective Covid vaccines;
Neither vaccine contain dead corona virus or 'living' covid virus like in the old vaccine making methods.

A new method of reproduction of the RNA in one segment of the virus that comprise only the little spikes on the virus body are being used.

This has been a new technique that has been researched for some time to make one vaccine against all flu varients by using only part of the tail or head of the flu virus. There are so many different types of flu
that progress has been slow, but here in town Dr. Fauci has soldiered on to solve the universal flu vaccine puzzle at NIH down the street.

Perhaps one day the universal flu vaccine will owe a debt to the success in the covid vaccine but the general new technique started here.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 11:28 PM

I'm nearly 62..

Over the last half century no men in my close family
have yet survived long enough to get to 70.

So knowing our luck, no matter how hard I try to stay alive,
I'm fatalistically resigned to reality
that any other cause of death is out to get me
well before a covid vaccine is proven conclusively safe..

Therefore, considering the prevailing most likely threat of immediate premature fatality..
.. it kinda inclines me to risk a jab asap...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 10:41 PM

I am not telling anybody else to wait. I am personally not comfortable taking an as-yet-un-fully-tested vaccine. I am not afraid I will become autistic or grow a second head. I would just prefer to wait for data on what the effects *are* -or aren't.

This from an Embassy brat in the 3rd world in the 60's, regularly punctured, I was, and glad of it.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 09:15 PM

Trump called the head of the FDA to the White House this week apparently to harangue them about approval of vaccines. I presume the FDA head will push back. It needs to be done in an orderly fashion, and this won't be one of the usual FDA fuckups, when the rules have been so diluted on other things they do that what they do is meaningless. It often has to do with dollars being cut to agencies like this so they can't do what they're supposed to.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 08:03 PM

The vaccine approval process in the US is not the same as in the UK. In the US, raw data is required, whereas in the UK reports from the vaccine developers are accepted. The difference is a few days. Dr Fauci, who had initially dissed the UK approach as too fast, has now recanted and accepted that our approach is sufficiently rigorous. Whilst I would always accept that the Tories seek hubris as their goal, I think that the rapid progress in approving the vaccine is wholly to the credit of the scientists in this country, not the bloody Tories. They do like to bathe in reflected glory....

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 06:24 PM

On the one hand I never trust UK tory politicians,
so the rush to be world beating first with vaccine approval
is tainted by my attitude on that..

On the other, I suspect USA might take too long to approve vaccines,
because of fears of that American enthusiasm
for mass class law suits...???

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 06:22 PM

I completely agree with all that, Jeri. The only thing is that the scaremongering about vaccine safety is rife on social media, and the companies are slow when it comes to removing it. I read a piece somewhere today that the scaremongering is spreading to community forums like this one. Two people here have already bigged up their scares about vaccine safety. It's unfounded, it's irresponsible and it's not on. Even on this strange little music forum. If you're scared of the vaccine, good for you. But those fears are not founded on any known science, so (to be less diplomatic than you), these guys need to shut up and keep their irrational fears strictly to themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 06:07 PM

The problem is when people are afraid of the vaccine because they think may have bizarre side effects. Vaccines stimulate the immune system. If you're afraid they might make you hallucinate, grow a second head, OR CAUSE AUTISM, it's not just ignorant, but destructive.

The worst thing I believe that can happen is it won't be effective. Other things are soreness at the injection site, maybe more of your arm, flu-like symptoms (the immune system response), and... that's pretty much it.

So if you're afraid to get the shot, don't get the shot. Just keep wearing a mask and keep avoiding crowds, or being physically close to people you don't know well, an keep doing that until the virus isn't circulating very much. And don't try to frighten people who don't have an issue with the vaccine. At worst, it could kill people. (Nobody is probably paying attention, anyway. Strange people on a strange little music forum.)

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 05:08 PM

You are scaremongering. The urgency of the situation has galvanised research workers and the approval system, and corners have not been cut. The science has been utterly amazing. If we waited for your suggested five years, millions more people may die. There's far too much of your kind of bollix being propagated and it's very worrying that it's spreading like wildfire from social media on to community forums like this one. Your choice: don't have the vaccine and let the rest of us move up the queue. Fine by me.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 04:20 PM

All other vaccines were tested for years, and nasty side-effects removed, before said vaccine ever got to market. *That* is where the guineapigging is. Imma wait 3-5 years, if I can. Mind you I am not an essential worker, so I can afford to wait.

And isn't every symptom a body reaction to something, and not that thing itself?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Dec 20 - 03:17 PM

Thanks to the modern marvel of the internet,
too many fukwit Brits have been convinced trump
is also their glorious crusading leader...