BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Feb 22 - 04:16 AM

That’s a fair point, Jon. But I think I would still italicise - in the post in question I didn’t realise Maggie was quoting whereas, if the blockquoted section had been italicised, I’d have been in no doubt. I just like to know for certain when someone is quoting.

Then again, maybe I’m a bit thick? ;-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 21 Feb 22 - 03:09 AM

BWM, I think the best method here for longer quotes which may run to several paragraphs is to use the blockquote (<blockquote> </blockquote>) tags to indent the quoted text. SRS usually does this.

Of course one may opt to combine this with italics and quotation marks.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Feb 22 - 01:31 AM

”Nigel, that was a quote. Not my words.”

Perhaps not my place to try to teach Granmaw to suck eggs, but isn’t it the standard way to indicate a quote by italicising the quoted piece and using quotation marks (what we used to call ‘inverted commas’)?

I frequently have difficulty identifying quotes in some people’s posts - simply using the above methodology would make these things far, far clearer and avoid confusion, n’est-ce pas?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 08:56 PM

Nigel, that was a quote. Not my words.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 08:43 PM

I've come across a ton of bullshit in my time, some of it from actual doctors, that it's a good idea to catch stuff while you're still young. Let's have chicken pox parties, etc. Let your kids crawl around on the kitchen floor and eat scraps of dropped two-day-old cream cake. That sort of thing. Toughen up your immune system. Stuff like that.

Well I don't think it's ever a great idea to catch any disease. Why would you ever want you/your kids to be sick?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 07:53 PM

Stilly:
This is a music site. On Friday, the gridlock reached a crescendo when Ottawa police say protesters assaulted officers

Presumably the gridlock reached a high point. A 'crescendo' is a gradual increase (in volume). You do not usually 'reach a crescendo'. A crescendo leads you to something else.

end pedant mode.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 07:17 PM

Coronavirus FAQ: Is it a good idea to get COVID before I'm over 60 and at higher risk?

The short answer - hell, no!

I'm in my 50s. If I'm going to get COVID, it seems like it would be better to get it before I'm older and in a higher-risk category. So — should I try to get COVID before I turn 60?

We spoke to three specialists and they all agree.

Definitely not, says Dr. Abraar Karan, an infectious disease physician at Stanford University.

"It's lunacy," says Dr. Sarah Fortune, professor of immunology and infectious diseases at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

"There are very few times in medicine where we say go ahead and get the disease, because for the most part getting the disease is not good," says Dr. Fred Pelzman, associate professor of clinical medicine at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York City. "Once a vaccine became available for chicken pox, for example, no one was saying, go ahead and expose your child to chicken pox."

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 02:18 PM

How Long Covid Exhausts the Body

"Millions of people continue to suffer from exhaustion, cognitive problems and other long-lasting symptoms after a coronavirus infection. The exact causes of the illness, known as long Covid, are not known. But new research offers clues, describing the toll the illness takes on the body and why it can be so debilitating."

This is long and illustrated; if you hit the paywall you can edit your stored cookies to remove the NYTimes ones and read more free articles.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Feb 22 - 02:10 PM

Slight aside, but all perceptions are false. There is no rainbow in the sky, it is an artifact of your perceptual system.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 22 - 12:19 PM

General societal pandemic frustrations are worse than the precautions and lockdowns so ignoring risks may be safer. Opening schools with no more mask mandates for anyone may be the way to go now. CDC hopes to turn on a dime with the appearance of malicious varients.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Feb 22 - 10:46 AM

The Canadian truck protesters who are against required vaccinations are being rounded up since they didn't go away on their own. Canadian Covid-19 protesters and police face off in Ottawa amid freezing conditions

On Friday, the gridlock reached a crescendo when Ottawa police say protesters assaulted officers and tried to remove their weapons. One person was arrested after throwing a bicycle toward a police horse, police said, and by the end of the day more than 100 were arrested and 21 vehicles were towed. . . .

The Emergencies Act -- which is being invoked for the first time in the country since it passed in 1988 -- can provide for the use of the military, but may not necessarily lead to that, and the prime minister said the government is not bringing them in.

The points of contention have also become more delicate in recent days as some protesters placed young children between them and police. CNN has observed those children on the protest site in the last several days.

I think the "children as human shield" part of it is what is really going to get their asses put in jail.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 10:23 AM

Good move.

South Korea was the model of a good approach to COVID, but it is being hammered now. South Korea shifts its approach to the virus.

For the past two years, South Korea waged a successful battle against Covid-19 with a so-called three-T strategy: It ramped up lab “tests” to ferret out infections, it “traced” contacts using modern technology, and it “treated” patients by keeping them in isolation, where they were monitored by the government.

But as the fast-spreading Omicron variant threatens to overwhelm the public health system, that strategy now appears unsustainable — and it may even be pointless, South Korean officials say. Now, they are shifting the country’s pandemic focus to a new game plan: “select and focus.”

I?n the past week, South Korea has begun asking patients who test positive to simply look after themselves at home, while? the country redirects resources to those who are most vulnerable. This new approach has unsettled ?people who have grown used to the government’s heavy-handed virus intervention, and as the number of? people fending for themselves at home has surged, so have the complaints.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 07:13 AM

I will now back out of this covid focused thread and go to the SPACE thread.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 07:03 AM

The more you know the more the possibility of the common pitfalls of false perceptions. THATS why a scientific method is needed to test fundamental laws. If I write about trends in perception in a BS social media thread you can see the strength/weakness of said perceptions.

My novel speculations/hypothesis about black holes and cosmic inflation are worthy of being tested.

PS There is a subatomic particle(s) with no spin. The Higgs boson is the only elementary particle with spin zero. If Z bosons or a graviton exist, they also would have 0 spin.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 06:24 AM

Donuel:
Does psilocybin 20 years ago have anything to do with my universe perceptions? Probably. It leaves the door open to perception

It also leaves the door open to false perceptions.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 08:46 PM

Even the Earth and Moon spiral round each other as they orbit the sun.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 08:43 PM

Finchem sounds like a deranged idiot who just needs a crowdfunding campaign to buy him a tinfoil lined hat.... I suppose the conspiracy theorists need their latest poster boy to drool over.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 07:49 PM

This could go in the Trump thread or the COVID-19 thread - toss up.

Trump's pick for Arizona secretary of state suggested Covid didn't exist and called vaccine a 'crime against humanity'

(CNN) Mark Finchem, the Arizona secretary of state candidate backed by former President Donald Trump, spread dangerous misinformation about the Covid-19 pandemic on social media, calling the vaccine a "crime against humanity," implying it was a "bio-weapon" and sharing an article last August that suggested Covid-19 did not exist in the Canadian province of Alberta.

A CNN KFile review of Finchem's social media postings on platforms popular with the extreme right wing found that he repeatedly promoted anti-vaccine rhetoric and other false claims about possible Covid-19 treatments, the efficacy of mask-wearing and the severity of the virus.
In August 2021, Finchem shared a story riddled with misinformation on the coronavirus and vaccine on the platform Gab -- a social media network popular with conservatives, the alt-right and some extremists -- writing, "It ain't a vaccine!!! Call it what it is, a crime against humanity."
Finchem also shared an image last August falsely claiming that a province in Canada had lifted its Covid protocols because "they can't produce an isolated sample of SARS-CoV-2 to prove covid exists to back their mandates."

I copy/pasted some from this story because the CNN links aren't very durable. This is the gist of the story.

Trump knows how to pick them. Or they know how to garble the news to get his attention and approval. Or both.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 04:37 PM

Nigel if you asked Franz Tesla about his affinity to the number 3 you might not understand him but rest assured that his love of the universe was the reason he was passionate about the way he sees it. If you ask me about the spirals in the universe in the time dimension my answer would be long and passionate because I too love the universe even if it doesn't love me back. Some people are more or less at war with the universe. Does psilocybin 20 years ago have anything to do with my universe perceptions? Probably. It leaves the door open to perception

Ask a rhetorical question and you might get an answer.

Everything is a spiral from quarks in a proton to the Sun traveling around the Milky Way to the blueprints of life through time. When you were a fertlized egg you spiraled and spun down the fallopian tube with the help of swimming sperm that were the late arrivals.
Linear thinking is a common mistake we can make unless you are an accountant.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 10:45 AM

It sounds a bit to vagus for me

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 09:55 AM

I know too. May I...?

The vagus nerve is part of the autonomic nervous system. That system, as opposed to the central nervous system, is largely concerned with stuff that we don't have to think much about, such as heart rate and not forgetting to breathe. It connects many major organs with parasympathetic motor fibres. Because its branches reach many body parts and because many body parts are implicated in long covid, the nerve has been studied in samples of patients with long covid, and it's been found that observable vagus nerve abnormalities occur in some of those patients. At present, the evidence is observational only but it does look significant.

Fact-checking and corrections welcome. I'm a botanist really. Snarky remarks and accusations of thread-bossing are not welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 09:37 AM

Wait, why would only I know where the vagus nerve goes?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 06:08 AM

Psilocybin?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 07:09 PM

I'm in the ongoing gene pool. Covid is in the ongoing corona rna pool.
Were in different pools but we're both strong swimmers.
Like DNA or rna, time also travels in a spiral like spring and not a straight arrow. Broadly speaking existence is spin and vector, just spin and vector. You name it and I'll show you its spin, twist and orbit.
However the entire universe is basicly a growing flat sponge.
doncha luv it?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 05:04 PM

Well it's clear that you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 01:20 PM

You do as you wish when it comes to speaking broadly or enforcing precise thread continuity.
"We tell it as it truly is, Donuel old chap. Now suck it up, look at yourself and talk to us about telescopes in space, right?"
Dinos & virus did go extinct but Stilly is right, some parts of life finds a way to change and go on. I don't know but I suspect total death and extinction is relatively rare. Broadly speaking 'nothing really dies completely'.

Now the Vagus nerve connects the mind and heart. Does long haul covid damage connectivity? Only the Mrzzy knows

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 12:42 PM

Historical cases of viruses which have either morphed or vanished are highly relevant to research on modern viruses. The fate of the SARS virus has helped to inform us of many of the epidemiological aspects of the current virus. Understanding the fate of viruses which have failed to become endemic is crucial in research on current viruses. It is not traditional to constrain threads on this board within extremely narrow limits. It's difficult at times to understand why you feel the need to do that. Looking at the broader picture is not only relevant, it is also what science always does. Before you throw the title of this thread back at me, please consider that the majority of the posts here have not delivered "new news." That's fine by me, and many of the people posting here haven't objected either. We are still talking about covid-19 after all, aren't we?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 10:24 AM

two different strains of smallpox also made themselves extinct in medieval times

But we're not talking about those and they're meaningless in the face of the modern smallpox and the modern COVID. Dinosaurs have morphed into birds without our help. We're talking about science versus political stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 09:25 AM

Sorry, Mrrzy, but a new interview with a high-profile vaccine-refuser IS news, if you don't mind d. Take it or leave it. As for the vagus, it's fine to keep saying the word but perhaps you'd care to tell us more.

The post at 07.25am is uncalled for and highly offensive and adds nothing to the conversation, fairly typical of the perpetrator. .

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 09:15 AM

Surely the needs of society outweigh the perceived freedoms of the individual.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 09:10 AM

Now that Ontario is emerging from the Omicron surge, capacity limits on communal and commercial spaces will be relaxed next week, and the system of vaccine certificates and compulsory contact tracing will be abandoned on 1 March. Hospital admissions for COVID are dropping rapidly, so elective surgeries will resume soon. The doctors say it will take months of flat-out work to handle the cancelled and postponed procedures, let alone dealing with new cases. I’m praying for continued success in not breaking anything.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 09:01 AM

Back to news: how about that vagus nerve, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 07:25 AM

He doth protest too much.
Relax, we all know you are always right, never wrong and the boss of every thread.
All manner of virus are found in any level four lab around the world as well as secret military labs.

Single word choice discussions are seldom pithy.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 22 - 06:39 AM

We had a longish interview with Novak Djokovic on the radio this morning. He put his case for refusing the vaccine very lucidly (and he speaks English better than most English people I know). He will miss the French Open and Wimbledon rather then get jabbed. He is not anti-vaccine (he sez) but is strongly pro-personal freedom. He shows the same brand of wrong-headedness as the articulate young woman on Question Time I mentioned the other week, utterly failing to recognise that taking the vaccine is not just about you and your freedoms but is also about protecting the community. In spite of his apparent sincerity and clear articulation of his argument, my sympathy for him did not increase one iota.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 08:39 PM

Incidentally, two different strains of smallpox also made themselves extinct in medieval times, without any help from us. I don't think that covid-19 is going to do that but I'm thinking that it will probably keep its head down. Eventually...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 08:35 PM

More on that (source: BBC):

One of the most recent viruses to vanish was Sars. The world first became aware of its existence on 10 February 2003, after the Beijing office of the World Health Organization (WHO) received an email describing “a strange contagious disease” which had killed 100 people in the space of a week...

...Sars was driven to extinction by a combination of sophisticated contact-tracing and the quirks of the virus itself.
Fast-forward two years, and the virus had infected at least 8,096 people, 774 of whom died. But it could have been so much worse.

Like its close relative Covid-19, Sars had many of the necessary qualities for world domination – it was an RNA virus, meaning it was able to evolve rapidly, and it was spread through droplets expelled when breathing, which are hard to avoid. At the time, many experts were concerned that the virus could cause devastation on the same level as the HIV crisis, or even the 1918 flu pandemic, which infected a third of the world’s population and killed 50 million.

Instead, Sars disappeared as abruptly as it arrived. By January 2004, there were just a handful of cases – and by the end of the month, the last suspected natural infection was announced (There was another outbreak a couple of months later, when it is thought to have escaped from a Beijing research lab – twice).

So what happened?

In a nutshell, we got lucky. According to Sarah Cobey, an epidemiologist at the University of Chicago, Sars was driven to extinction by a combination of sophisticated contact-tracing and the quirks of the virus itself....

...When patients with Sars got sick, they got very sick. The virus had a staggeringly high fatality rate –almost one in five patients died – but this meant that it was relatively easy to identify those who were infected, and quarantine them. There was no extra spread from people without symptoms, and as a bonus, Sars took a relatively long time to incubate before it became contagious, which gave contact-tracers extra time to find anyone who might be infected before they could pass it on.

So there you go. We has the resourcefulness to recognise it quickly and the virus wasn't very good at spreading. We helped it on its way, but it ultimately squashed itself out of existence. "Extinct" does it for me.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 08:07 PM

Well I have no idea what you mean by that. SARS lasted for less than three years in the early 21st century, infecting just a few thousand people only, and there have been no cases for seventeen years or more. It is effectively extinct in the human population (unless you have a different definition of extinct). Like smallpox, samples of the virus still exist in research laboratories. It doesn't mean that it's impossible for a variant to leap from wild animals. As yet, that hasn't happened and it's been quite a long time. I think that's probably enough to rest my case. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 07:38 PM

SARS is not extinct on *this* planet.

Long Covid may be vagus nerve damage.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 22 - 04:39 AM

SARS became extinct because it wasn't very catching. As far as I know, work is still going on to make a vaccine for it. Comparison with the ridding of the planet of smallpox is spurious. As for covid-19, we have no idea at present what path it will take over years and decades to come. We need to be vigilant and keep on top of the drive to get even better vaccines (and make them available everywhere). If there's one lesson we can take from smallpox and polio, it's that one.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 10:44 PM

Smallpox disappearing is entirely due to global efforts of administering the smallpox vaccine. When my children were small and getting immunizations, I asked their pediatrician if they would get the smallpox vaccine. He laughed at that and said "no" - he was enough younger than me that perhaps he didn't get the smallpox vaccine at school like I did, and my siblings, and every child in the state as far as I know (this was still being administered in the early 1960s.) It wasn't a choice, everyone got it. Science and medical common sense ruled.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 09:05 PM

Small pox did not make itself extinct nor will covid but we can take advantage of weaker variants if and when they happen. Globally speaking 2 more years is a possibility. Or these are the good ol days.
Oh and thanks for your omnipotant permission Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 08:48 PM

Well put it this way: it became extinct without interventions from us. There was never a vaccine, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 08:17 PM

It decides to make itself extinct?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 08:03 PM

Well I did read that Guardian piece. It's true that there could be variants around the corner that could make life difficult. The thing is, since the dawn of mankind we've lived with the threat of diseases just around the corner. In the past, we've had neither the understanding of the pathogens involved, the medicines needed, nor the vaccines. But now we have those things. Keep on arguing if you like that we must keep restrictions in place until we make the virus extinct. Keep on arguing that we must keep restrictions in place because there are millions of vulnerable or immune-compromised people. Thing is, we will never make the virus extinct unless (like SARS) it decides to make itself extinct. The vulnerable people were here long before COVID-19 and, whilst we must take all reasonable steps to protect them, we need to get back to where we were, very likely with a greater understanding of their needs than before, in order to enjoy the freedoms that come with living in a democracy (in other words, no edicts, no mandates but with pressure on everyone to take responsibility for the wellbeing of all of us). If you believe in mandates and laws, then your responsibility is to say when that will stop. It's a responsibility that is almost always flunked.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 01:08 PM

Ontario and Ottawa are arresting protestors. Finally. A New York Times article today talked about how inarticulate the protestors are for their reasons to be there - the vaccination status was never really that big a deal - but behind the scenes the social media is full of racist and anti-science irrational speech. When the money from other haters (probably in the US) dried up I suspect a lot of the protestors lost interest since their reasons for being present were mostly pecuniary.

Recent bickering posts have been removed. All parties should walk away from the computer for a few minutes before hitting "Submit message" and consider if you really need to send it or if it will simply derail the conversation.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 12:22 PM

”David Nabarro, a special envoy on Covid-19 for the World Health Organization, also highlighted the uncertainty of how future variants might behave: “There will be more variants after Omicron and if they are more transmissible they will dominate. In addition, they may cause different patterns of illness, in other words they may turn out to be more lethal or have more long-term consequences.”

Nabarro urged authorities to continue to plan for the possibility that there will be surges in numbers of people who are ill and need hospital care. “It would be prudent to encourage people to protect themselves and others consistently. An approach that does not do this would be a gamble with potentially severe consequences. I cannot see any upsides to such a gamble. The pandemic has a long way to go and – as is the case since it started – people and their leaders will influence its long-term impact through actions they take now.”

Extract from yesterday’s Guardian article on the possible consequences of the inevitable next Covid-19 variant.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 11:13 AM

And there are lots of people who do what they're told to do in spite of not liking it. The heroes of the pandemic, after the care workers and NHS workers, have been the British people, who have overwhelmingly complied with the rules. Unlike their shabby rulers. That's why I think we can now move to putting responsibility for safe behaviour back in the hands of the people, no more rules, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 11:02 AM

Actually I think there are quite a lot of people who do like to be told what to do.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 10:50 AM

Its more complex than pro or anti anything. No one likes having to be subserviant to a beaurocratic manager or the ass hole with more money.
Even the Covid rescue money went to rich corporations like 10 million to a law firm but 10 grand to restaurant workers. Rescue rules have never been fair. Wall St got huge bail outs but those who lost houses lost homes in the gambling practice of criminal mortgage bundleing.

Getting to the heart of the problem in pandemic times has many pre existing lies, theft and death by gun legislation; Gore v. Bush, Iraq war, vaccines cause autism, a fast and loose FDA, Corporate corruption of government through money, enforced poverty by enhanced systemic racism etc.
The mendacity of the bull shit system casts the pandemic in dark amoral diseased shit. Morality is mocked for being mere virtue signaling. Thats my arguement that the problem is bigger than vax or no vax. Truckers have their reasons to demonstrate for many reasons they may not be able to articulate. Taking action is the one thing they can do.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 10:12 AM

I think most lorry drivers over here are quite happy about getting vaccines, the same way as most people generally.   Anti-vaxers, while they can be noisy, are generally seen as a bit weird. Which of course they are.