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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Stilly River Sage 29 Dec 21 - 01:02 PM
Steve Shaw 27 Dec 21 - 07:43 PM
Stilly River Sage 26 Dec 21 - 11:21 AM
Donuel 26 Dec 21 - 08:50 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Dec 21 - 09:38 AM
Rain Dog 24 Dec 21 - 08:59 AM
Rain Dog 24 Dec 21 - 08:46 AM
Nigel Parsons 24 Dec 21 - 06:34 AM
Donuel 24 Dec 21 - 06:30 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 Dec 21 - 03:21 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Dec 21 - 03:56 PM
Dave the Gnome 23 Dec 21 - 11:54 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Dec 21 - 11:20 AM
Stilly River Sage 23 Dec 21 - 10:46 AM
Donuel 23 Dec 21 - 10:29 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Dec 21 - 08:22 AM
Donuel 23 Dec 21 - 06:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Dec 21 - 02:58 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Dec 21 - 08:08 PM
Donuel 22 Dec 21 - 07:46 PM
Nigel Parsons 22 Dec 21 - 02:40 PM
Donuel 22 Dec 21 - 01:23 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 21 - 01:02 PM

To be totally unscientific, I think that the fact that the variant is so catching and so mild will mean that there's a good chance that it will burn out. So many people will catch it and become immune to it (and the vaccines will help) that, within weeks, the virus will have nowhere to go. It may linger for ever in all our communities, but we will, one day, if we're sensible, not exactly laugh it off but at least learn to live, maskless, with it...

The advice from my county health department today:

The C.D.C. has recommended that even vaccinated people should wear a mask in all public indoor places in Tarrant County. This helps protect people who may be particularly vulnerable to the virus and also to prevent spread.

If you feel sick, you should stay home and get tested. If you were in close contact with someone with Covid-19, you should get tested three to five days after exposure. Until you get a negative test result, you can take extra precautions by wearing a mask in indoor public spaces and staying at least six feet apart from other people. If possible, consider also taking these precautions inside your home. If you cannot get tested, it’s safer to take these extra precautions for 14 days after exposure.

If you or someone in your household is older or has other risk factors for severe Covid-19, you may choose to wear a mask in public indoor spaces even when Covid transmission in your area is low. You may also consider upgrading to a close-fitting mask with good filtration, or wearing two close-fitting cloth masks. Regular handwashing also helps prevent the spread of Covid-19 and other diseases.

It's only Wednesday but already three friends' households this week have informed me that they have COVID. I wasn't in contact with any of them, but this is rapidly becoming widespread. It's time to stay close to home for a while.

Dallas County, directly to the east in this conurbation, has declared itself to be Code Red as of today.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Dec 21 - 07:43 PM

Avoid this post if you require solid science, free of whimsy. Evidence-innocent, this is what I think of current developments.

In the UK, the worst prime minister we've ever had by a country mile has "decided" to take no further action on restrictions at least until after New Year.

Well first, he hasn't decided it at all. His "decision" is predicated on two factors. First, his credibility is completely shot because of the exposing of all the parties that he and his lackeys enjoyed last year while the rest of us were locked down. Indeed, over 500 people died on the very day that he and his mates were having an illegal jolly in Number Ten. So there's no way he can "instruct" us to do anything at all. Second, his right-wing backwoodsmen, at least 100 Tory MPs at the last count, are threatening to undermine not just him but also anyone with aspirations to replace him should they back further restrictions.

Well what I think of that is that the right decision has been reached for all the thoroughly wrong reasons. I can't think that telling us not to mix with our families, or to desist from going to pubs, etc., is now going to make the slightest difference any more. This variant is sweeping through us like mad. One in twenty in London have got it. But it's mild, and most of us have been vaccinated. The only problem that's worse than previous problems (and I don't seek to minimise it) is that many workers in the health service and care sector are off work sick. This isn't the time to bash the Tories for their severe neglect of the NHS, but I heard an NHS manager say that a hospital department that lost just two nurses to coronavirus is in serious trouble. Well why is that? Surely our health service should have far more built-in resilience than that. And that is the direct result of the lack of Tory investment in the NHS, the self-same NHS that the Tories opposed the formation of in the 1940s.

To be totally unscientific, I think that the fact that the variant is so catching and so mild will mean that there's a good chance that it will burn out. So many people will catch it and become immune to it (and the vaccines will help) that, within weeks, the virus will have nowhere to go. It may linger for ever in all our communities, but we will, one day, if we're sensible, not exactly laugh it off but at least learn to live, maskless, with it...

End of whimsy. Feel free to shoot.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Dec 21 - 11:21 AM

I heard a part of a story on NPR last week about international travelers at LAX (Los Angeles International in California) arriving at the airport and being offered any of the COVID vaccines if they haven't already had it or the booster if they needed it. No forms, no insurance, just offering the vaccine. Those who were interviewed in the vaccination area at the airport were glad to make use of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Dec 21 - 08:50 AM

Thurgood Marshall Baltimore International Airport had their cadre of men with machine guns dressed in all black on duty and wore no insignias.
They remind me of Putin troops or Isreali security. There were few passengers.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 09:38 AM

No confusion, Nigel. My vaccination record automatically updates to the regular NHS app that I've had for years (not that confounded covid-19 one that I deleted long ago). I never have to do anything. It's just there. I think that a club, pub, theatre or what have you has the right to ask you show that you've been jabbed before they'll let you in. I'd like to see the government advising but otherwise keeping their big noses out. I want the government to run the schools and hospitals, to get my bin emptied on time and to fill potholes. That sort of thing.

"You don't believe that people should be forced to have the jab."

As with God, I don't do belief. It's my opinion. My view all along has been that persuasion is the best way to get people to take the vaccine and that the government hasn't done anywhere near enough public campaigning to counter the Facebook (et al) nonsense. Including the nonsensical reasons that anti-vaxxers give for refusing the jab. Take them on, but we can't shut them up. We're not quite China running Hong Kong just yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 08:59 AM

Just found the following on the BBC

The anti-vaccination movement that gripped Victorian England

An interesting read.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 08:46 AM

"There wouldn't be anywhere near as many refusers were Facebook et al not to exist."

Good to see that you have included 'et al'

What next? Close down the interweb?

You don't believe that people should be forced to have the jab. Does that mean you would allow them to tell others via the interweb why they refused it?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 06:34 AM

Steve What I think about that is that the government should not be implementing a vaccine passport scheme, or whatever else you want to call it. Let individual institutions make their own rules. If a shop or an event won't let me in without proof of vaccination, I'd defend that to the hilt.

In the absence of a Government backed passport scheme, what would count as 'proof of vaccination'?
You seem to be confusing the Government providing vaccine passports, which can be used in any situation where the business owner requires them, with Government insistence that all businesses (or certain businesses) must require passports.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 06:30 AM

The 4th BOOSTER shot is being consicered in Isreal.
In some US circles it is established as beneficial after 6 months but we can't get ahead of ourselves is the opposite camp.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 03:21 AM

I am not as sure about a voluntary scheme. People prove to be easily swayed over and over again. As you pointed out, Trump, Johnson, Brexit...

Same with Faceache. I think they should be as regulated as the press, if not more so. Difficult as it is international but, hey, so is the rest of the media nowadays and they have to abide by the rules.

Careful you don't Spoonerise FaceBookers BTW. Maybe that is the real reason for the change to Meta :-)

Merry Christmas

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 03:56 PM

What I think about that is that the government should not be implementing a vaccine passport scheme, or whatever else you want to call it. Let individual institutions make their own rules. If a shop or an event won't let me in without proof of vaccination, I'd defend that to the hilt. When masks weren't compulsory, one shopkeeper attempted to shepherd me out of his shop in order to do business outside his door. Another one politely asked me to wear a mask if I had one (I did). Guess which one got my custom. An establishment seen as being too liberal about vaccination requirements would lose the custom of many of the more cautious. I think a voluntary scheme would catch on, and we'd feel that we were doing it ourselves, rather than having stuff imposed by a thoroughly disreputable government. Let's build that ethos. The public have shown in the last couple of weeks a damn sight more responsibility than the gits in Downing Street. That gives me hope. And you never know: this pandemic could, as we speak, be having its last hurrah.

As for Facebook, etc., its self-regulation is, cynically, way behind the curve. Its damage is well and truly done. Your call now, Facebookers...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 11:54 AM

I don't think I have ever suggested anyone getting forced to do anything, Steve. I asked the question, "Why is their freedom to not have the vaccine or their freedom to not wear a mask any more important than my freedom to go to public places without a major risk of getting the virus?" I don't defend Facebook either. I just said use it carefully. I may withdraw my support unless they either self regulate or get made to regulate fake news in the not too distant future.

My point still stands. Their freedoms are not any more or less important than mine. When the two conflict, who should decide which should be upheld? I would go for the majority but I don't know if that is right. Maybe more will be made of the Covid passes that seem to be being lined up? You can't go to certain countries without getting a vaccination. How about you cannot go to unnecessary events (pubs, nightclubs, theatres, sporting events etc.) without a Covid pass?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 11:20 AM

Well life ain't perfect. When you go out and about, especially in winter, you'll encounter people who have bad colds or even the remnants of flu. Or a dose of the shits (mind that supermarket trolley handle...). They haven't all been well-advised, they are not all being especially careful or kind-hearted, but no-one seriously suggests that they should be made to stay at home. Forcing someone to get jabbed is tantamount to assault. Sacking care workers or hospital workers for refusing the jab is not only wrong-headed (in m'humble) but is also destined to make matters much worse. That Facebook thingie that you defend has done so much harm in putting people off the jab. There wouldn't be anywhere near as many refusers were Facebook et al not to exist. Some people are easily persuaded and easily deluded and 'twas ever thus. Vote Boris, vote Trump, vote brexit. It could be that choosing vaccine-refusers to excoriate is shooting at the wrong target.

Like almost everyone else I'm obediently masking up. There was a woman who appeared to be perfectly able-bodied and sprightly swanning around Bude Sainsbury's yesterday, maskless. I reflected on how indignant I'd felt because she was breaking a rule that I don't agree with and feel is a waste of time...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 10:46 AM

Fauci indicated he thought the Omicron surge would occur over about three weeks and then subside. Alas, surging over the holidays when more people are out is part of the problem.

I spoke with my next door neighbor this morning, she sounds really tired, I think she's been sick for about 3 weeks now. I fear long COVID might be what she's experiencing. Timing-wise it seems like she probably caught the more serious Delta version (as an unvaccinated person).

Last week I ordered a set of the rapid tests, but they won't arrive for another couple of weeks. The company must have a backlog of orders.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 10:29 AM

News could have cool water
When the fever runs high
But its got the look of dark clouds
In the sky
The news is in crazy motion
'Til facts calmed me down
It took a little time
But facts calmed me down

When something goes wrong
I'm the first to admit it
I'm the first to admit it
But the last one to know

When something goes right
Well it's likely to lose me
It's apt to confuse me
It's such an unusual sight
I can't get used to something so right
Something so right

When something goes right its hardly reported
Its hardly reported and just goes away
When something goes wrong its talked about strong
Its talked about strong and seems here to stay
I can't get used to something so right
Some thing so right


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 08:22 AM

Steve: I think it could burn itself out very quickly.

Highly likely. Today's BBC radio news says there are reported to have been 1 million cases last week. If that is correct, and it continues doubling every 2 days (unlikely as it would run out of prospective infectees) then a fortnight would mean that the UK population had been affected and were in recovery phase.

Number of available contacts available to be infected must be dropping rapidly, which means that doubling every 2 days cannot be sustainable.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 06:59 AM

Hospitalizations are at a breaking point here due to medical staff shortages, available beds and a large unvaccinated population.
Of course there was no supply chain crises as predicted here so just maybe we could dodge this hospital crises.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Dec 21 - 02:58 AM

I don't think anyone on here is an anti-vaxxer. I know Steve doubts the effectiveness of masks but will wear one anyway. So I don't know if anyone on here can answer my question. Why is their freedom to not have the vaccine or their freedom to not wear a mask any more important than my freedom to go to public places without a major risk of getting the virus?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 08:08 PM

There's the beginning of a hint of calming down this end over this omicron thang. It's mild (as long as you've been vaccinated). It seems to not cause an explosion in hospitalisations and deaths. The main problem is that infected people can't go to work, which means difficulties in the health and care sectors (both severely run down by the Tories, but hey ho). I think we won't get any more restrictions (I live in hope anyway). If this variant can spread so damn fast, then I think it could burn itself out very quickly.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 07:46 PM

I was reviewing quotes and quips of Lincoln today and the 'quote' is more of a paraphrase that my memory provided.
Over the next 2 months a projection of 140 million new cases of covid are expected. Where are the public service television shows that follow hundreds/thousands of the unvaccinated to their deaths? Show the actual trauma of the covid death. As I said seeing is believing. After a million deaths are we really too prim, proper and polite to hide the reality of avoidable disease suicide?
There were public service ads anf documentaries about drugs but covid is more lethal than Fentanyl.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 02:40 PM

Donuel:
Lincoln said that only the government can do the things individual citizens can not do.

Either you're misquoting Lincoln, or on that occasion he was wrong.
Couples can do things individuals cannot.
Sports teams can do things individuals cannot.
Etc. etc.

I would be interested to see the source of your "quote"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 01:23 PM

Covid is the 3rd leading cause of death here. A million deaths are too vast and abstract to grieve over for me. Most people here feel it didn't have to be this way. I don't know but if most of us can anticipate a need for more tests around the holidays, then the government could too. Lincoln said that only the government can do the things individual citizens can not do.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 21 - 12:18 PM

Joe Biden refers to omicrom as a 'wildfire'. Thats a poor word choice imo portraying incineration and hot agonizing pain.

We are still in an anecdotal zone of data but there are indications in South Africa and the US that omicron infection is less severe.
Still the 2 day infection spread is unprecedented for a respiratory virus.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 21 - 10:10 AM

Essentially you can
pick from column A and add 'of omicron' in any region town or country
A:
Tidal wave
eruption
doubling
sky rocket
surge
gush
rush
outpouring
regurgitation
stream
flow
sweep
swell
billowing
stream
flow
burst
cascade
overflow
brim over
sweep
spout
spurt
roll
swarm
rise
jet
(thinking aloud)
It seems Long Haul dangers includes heart problems akin to symptoms like angina and a host of other yet provable effects which can be a pain in the ass but survivable for >99% of us.
BUT we may be looking at the start of covid burning itself out. The problem is that there have been break through infections of the vaccinated even in people who were previously infected with Covid/Sars2.
Afterall, we did defeat small pox and polio. Therefore I'm still hopeful Covid will someday diminish to flu levels of fatality.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 08:04 PM

As I understand it, the lateral flow kits given out here must conform to a high standard. They are reputed to be not as reliable as the PCR tests, but I don't believe that. I think that any unreliability is down to user error/inexperience. Carried out properly, following the instructions on the box, there's no reason why they can't be pretty reliable. Not one hundred percent, of course, but what is?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 06:43 PM

The test came back negative, but I've been looking for a particular brand of kit that is highly effective (the other kits you get two tests and it says to retest a couple of days later to see if the first one was effective.) I prowled the shelves of my local Walgreens and nothing - and then when I got home to get it from Amazon, they were out. And when you search on the test then follow the results you kit the pharmacy information page - they're all out. The one I was looking for is called FlowFlex and I think it's made a few miles from here at Alcon labs.

Looks like a good time to stay home, and buy the less effective test and take it twice. 7 Rapid At-Home Covid-19 Tests—and Where to Find Them


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 05:46 PM

Looks like no restrictions added in England before Christmas. Whilst I fully agree with that outcome, if it comes about, the way it's been arrived at is simply laughable. Johnson is trapped between the backwoodsmen in his cabinet (and on his backbenches) and the scientists, and has been stalled into fearful inactivity.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 04:44 PM

I have seen home test kits at my usual grocery store.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 09:32 AM

We are told this end that the lateral flow kits (aka fast test kits) are for asymptomatic use only. So you'd use one before visiting elderly or vulnerable people or going to an event. They are freely available from pharmacies (and from a pop-up caravan in Holsworthy yesterday!) and you don't have to sign for them or anything. That makes the reporting of your results entirely optional! Should I ever test positive I'd make my own isolation arrangements, thank you very much.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 08:33 AM

I feel safer in Prague where new cases have halved since their peak ar the end of November than I would if I was in London. Mask wearing in public places is something people just do without whinging about it, as is showing covid digital pass.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 08:12 AM

"Don't panic about day to day life regarding Omicron but don't be indifferent about crowds either."
quote: Atlantic mag.

"For the unvaccinated expect a winter of illness and death"
quote: CDC

"St. Peter requires a negative test at the gates."
quote: Donuel

"Trump sues China virus."
quote: The Onion


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 06:57 AM

Nigel its a mild hot zone at the convention. If it wasn't for diabetes the risk is small for infection.

Home test kits are available at our grocery stores.
We're going to see our eldest for Christmas and take our chances.
My wife is getting boosted today.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 06:30 AM

I've been doing regular home LFTs, and thankfully negative every time. In typical fashion, I only read the instructions on how to do the tests and see the result, and because they were negative failed to read the next page that said I should report the result anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 18 Dec 21 - 12:13 PM

I called the drug store and asked for a fast-reaction test kit and was turned down flat. I could make an appointment to be tested, and the pharmacist would do it there, but I could not have a kit to do it myself. With a sore throat, stinging ears and groggy head, I did not want to leave the house, I said. "Call the COVID Centre at the hospital if you have symptoms," said the telephone voice.

So I called the COVID Centre at the hospital and got voicemail. "This office is closed until Monday." Don't leave a message, f*** off and go away.

I laid low for three days, drank a great deal of water, and prayed. The grogginess went away, the ears stopped stinging, and the throat ceased to be sore. Dodged that bullet.

But what the hell? Surely the whole point of test kits is to find out if you have the bug before you get near any innocent by-standers?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Dec 21 - 11:38 AM

I'm waiting to simply go to the grocery store (I need baking powder) until my COVID test results come back (should be in by today). Since next door has it, I got the test. And will be very careful about face-to-face with anyone. I don't know what variety of the virus she has, but she's had a "cold" for a couple of weeks, and just got tested this week. Community Spread is knocking on the door.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Dec 21 - 08:58 AM

Nigel that would have been marvy!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 11:15 AM

Mrrzy:
Don't mention holiday plans. This week I should have been in Washington DC for the world Science Fiction convention - meh!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 10:25 AM

Who is rethinking their holiday plans now? Meee...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 09:34 AM

Going into the future our strategy is to give everyone multiple advanced home testing kits and if positive get a prescription from the doctor within days for the antiviral (now red) pill which is very effective. Getting there will be tough but it should work in Theory.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 09:11 AM

I know that, but I'd be interested to hear whether there's a surge in reporting-back from the home lateral flow kits, over and above that ten percent-ish that I mentioned. The headline infection number we're regaled with every day doesn't distinguish between variants.

Whilst I'm no conspiracy theorist, I can't help thinking that the government (with the best of intentions) would rather like us to see the blacker side of things, as that would make us more careful (which would be the best thing, after getting vaccinated).

As an aside (and as I'm a Liverpool fan), three Liverpool players tested positive yesterday so weren't playing last night. It turns out that all three had been double-vaccinated and boostered, and were showing no symptoms. A tiny example only, but a good yarn to put about.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 08:44 AM

Yes, Steve.
That was roughly what I was trying to explain to Donuel.

But I don't think it's the 'home tests' (LFTs) that are driving the current figures. Being home tests they don't feed into the stats for the expansion of Omicron (or 'Omni-cron' per some pundits) because they only give positive/negative. It is only the laboratory tested samples that can be separated into showing which variant is the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 07:57 AM

Up to now the government here has been giving out lateral flow test kits like sweeties. Something has changed: we are suddenly being urged to test ourselves several times a week and every time we go out to do a bit of social mixing. The upshot of this advice is we can't get our hands on test kits now, temporarily I hope, for love nor money. I'm concluding from that that millions of people have grabbed the kits and are now testing themselves, unlike before when people just like me got themselves a couple of boxes of kits and hardly ever used them (the evidence for that is that up to two or three months ago the government were getting the "mandatory" reporting-back of tests from just one kit in ten that had been given out).

So more kits, more testing, quite likely more reporting-back...and an apparent surge in positives. Anyone see why I inserted "apparent" in that sentence? I think we should hold back on the panic stations until we see over the next few weeks whether there's a concomitant rise in hospitalisations and deaths...

Obviously, all that's from a UK perspective.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Dec 21 - 07:41 AM

These posts are evidence of a pandemic fatigue that comes from being told to go back in our cave. Everyone feels it but the stress expresses itself differently in various personalities be it distraction or lashing out. Its a myopic disorder that can and will heal when more degrees of freedom someday return. As you expect some personalities were already damaged before the pandemic and will not change.
All pandemics are different, when you see one pandemic you've seen one pandemic.
I do not know if this fifth wave will be the worst of all or not but accepting change as a good thing does provide new or different opportunities.
we'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 05:21 PM

Donal Duckie, Mrrzy. Don't worry mate. This isn't, for you, an "Is it I, Lord? " moment...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 05:14 PM

Who is You in that post of 05:07?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 05:07 PM

You are speaking of Christmas, yet calling it something else for pusillanimous reasons of your own, Donald Duckie (and of millions of you yanks). It's Christmas, fer chrissake.

(See what I did there?)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 04:40 PM

In vitro an omicron virus infects respiratory tissue 70% faster than Delta. After 48 hours it has reproduced significantly more virus.
What it does inside of a real person is not settled science.
It is also trending among younger populations. Its a smart and cheeky little bugger.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 02:07 PM

Nigel I heard it on MSNBC but I've known them to be fallible.
"Cases are doubling every 2 days in the UK, breaking records".
Or so they say.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 01:03 PM

No religious "Christmas" at my house, but my family celebrates the season and we exchange gifts because we enjoy getting together and exchanging gifts. Sometimes we do it on the 25th, but lately we've been landing the date in January.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Dec 21 - 12:34 PM

Stevie, who is this We of whom you speak that have no other possible winter holidays?


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