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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Jul 21 - 01:10 PM I assure you that I do look things up, Maggie. I look for evidence that has to get over a very high bar. As I said, controlled experimental studies are not possible apropos of mask-wearing so the "evidence" is mostly observational and can't account for confounding factors. Laboratory testing of masks, for example, can't replicate the way people put them on, take them off, touch them, reuse them, wear them under their noses or chins or stuff them in their pockets alongside their ten-dollar bills, used tissues and loose change. On top of that, however strongly one wants to advocate mask-wearing, it is impossible to deny that huge numbers of masks are not only worn incorrectly, making many very likely insanitary and dangerous (not only because of Coronavirus), but they also give many people a false sense of security (sure, all observational, but very easy to observe). On that basis, it is not possible to make a good case for mandatory mask-wearing, and it is equally not possible to turn it into a valid moral issue, in my opinion. However, make disposable masks freely available everyone, alongside a public information campaign recommending face coverings, and you would very likely get most people wearing them and not abusing them, abuse which happens when you are forced to wear them and resent it. But I'm not a mask rebel and I never break the rules. I'm just saying what I think. A statement to the effect that "masks saves lives" simply can't be supported with sound evidence, which would clearly need to be numerical and would not need to be mere best-guesses or estimates. Only a controlled large-scale study could safely conclude that, and such a study would be unethical. Sorry if that makes me sound like Mr Spock. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 06 Jul 21 - 12:54 PM SRS I think we're often like his annoying 5th graders. I can imagine tiny tortures were learned and exchanged for decades in his career. He's bad at admmiting being wrong and desperately claims others are wrong/unscientific in response. Its a waste to spend a shred of time presenting factual evidence or risk assesment factors. Highly mistaken gripers of our time are Jim Jordan, Rand Paul and Trump. SS is thankfully not even in their league. On the other hand how embarrassing if Fauci was wrong and SS is right! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: leeneia Date: 06 Jul 21 - 11:43 AM The same woman has been cutting my hair for 15 years. She is sensible and trustworthy. Two weeks ago she told me that her husband has cousins in SW Missouri who are Trumpers and anti-vaxxers. At the time, they had a one-year-old baby in intensive care with Covid. Was their defiance worth it to them, I wonder? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Jul 21 - 10:41 AM I have stuff to do this morning - maybe later. There is research, Steve, lots of solid research looking at the efficacy of wearing masks during COVID-19. But you won't look, because that would mean you have to question this silly opinion and admit you were wrong when the articles show up. I'd try Google Scholar first, if I were you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Jul 21 - 08:50 AM Nice to know that antivaxxers will have different rules from sensible folks who have been double vaccinated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Jul 21 - 05:40 AM Incidentally, "what you call 'torture'" sounds like you're quoting me. To my recollection, I haven't said that wearing a mask is torture. Cheers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Jul 21 - 03:51 AM You can't produce a shred of real evidence that would confirm your assertions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Jul 21 - 12:27 AM Thank dog you weren't in charge of deciding what and wasn't going to save lives during the pandemic. You can be as happy as you want thinking you don't have to wear one again, but don't FOR A MINUTE think they had no significant roll in slowing the spread and saving lives. What you call "torture" much of the world calls freedom from disease. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Jul 21 - 07:37 PM So we will not have to wear masks after July 19. Alle-bloody-luja. Masks should never have been forced on us in the first place. The masks that most people wear are dangerous and insanitary. I for one will never wear a mask ever again unless forced to. I suppose I'll have to have keep one in my pocket for a while in case some deranged imbecile insists on my wearing one. I can't bear to see photos of young schoolchildren wearing masks. Completely inhuman. I don't know what the world's coming to when we can force people to hide half their faces, for reasons for which there is no evidence, for fifteen months. The one massive move towards restoring humanity will be to tell people that they can ditch their horrid masks. Bring it on! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 16 Jun 21 - 11:31 AM Johnson LIED again during PMQs stating that the delta variant did not exist until24th April, so was the patient who was diagnosed wit it on 1st April faking his or her own infection? Apparently before 24th nobody in India had it either but it was another variant which Johnson called the Kappa variant, and another called the Gamma variant. This means that up to 24 April, what more than 340,000 people in India was diagnosed with as not the Delta variant but something else. This means that before India was placed on the red list, nobody brought a single case to the UK. I thought Id put the record straight as Boris Johnson is the planets leading expert on covid, and knows more than the WHO, every country's heath service, every genome mapping laboratory and put together. Either that, or he could be a LIAR as I suggested earlier, and in that case all tory voter must never be allowed near a polling station ever again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 16 Jun 21 - 09:27 AM Jos: Yes, the vaccine jabs are going into whole people, not just 'arms'. Of course, there are other common sites for injections. Can we assume that for the anti-vax people "injections are not going into arses!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 16 Jun 21 - 08:07 AM I would imagine there are lockdown rulebreakers everywhere!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jos Date: 16 Jun 21 - 05:57 AM I was relieved to hear someone yesterday on the radio talking about getting the vaccine "into people" - NOT "into arms". In the whole interview arms were not mentioned. I am not just an arm. I am a person, free to think, free to act, free to make decisions for myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Jun 21 - 04:41 AM "Even our Indian neighbours are not surprised about the Indian variant, they always say how dirty it's become there, no social distancing at all." So-called variants of this virus arise via mutations, and that process has nothing to do with cleanliness or social distancing. I'd remind you that an earlier variant that took the country over arose in Kent. I'm assuming that you don't regard the people of Kent as egregiously filthy rule-breakers... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 15 Jun 21 - 10:47 PM Blicky that actually goes to the article, wups |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 15 Jun 21 - 04:09 PM "Never mind the w-w-wie nonsense or otherwise, a b c d, or alpha beta gamma delta, are MUCH easier to remember." No it's not. Even our Indian neighbours are not surprised about the Indian variant, they always say how dirty it's become there, no social distancing at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 15 Jun 21 - 03:52 PM People have been looking into the smell-and-taste connection with Covid-19, and found an interesting relationship between the "supertaster" genetics and likelihood of severe covid. I found one thing on it in todays WashPo health section, but there are surely others. Blicky. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 02 Jun 21 - 10:16 AM It's now "variant alpha" but it will always be the Ashford Horror to its friends. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jos Date: 01 Jun 21 - 05:28 PM Never mind the w-w-wie nonsense or otherwise, a b c d, or alpha beta gamma delta, are MUCH easier to remember. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 01 Jun 21 - 12:47 PM Stupid idea, winkie wankie wokie nonsense! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 01 Jun 21 - 12:20 PM From The Guardian today "Coronavirus variants are to be named after letters of the Greek alphabet instead of their place of first discovery, the World Health Organization has announced, in a move to avoid stigma." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 25 May 21 - 08:43 PM Dogs too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: leeneia Date: 25 May 21 - 05:30 PM I get a magazine called 'The Week.' It reports that some people have trained honeybees to detect Covid in humans. It remains to be seen if the method is practical. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 23 May 21 - 06:30 PM Johnson stopped English schools from finding out about the risks of the Indian variant: Guardian article |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 18 May 21 - 02:07 PM Not Donald Trump this time. Oxygen up your bum If you're a rat or a pig anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 17 May 21 - 10:32 AM I have no personal fears about getting Covid now, as I'm fully vaccinated. But I'm in a minority, so I still wear a mask in indoor public spaces like buses and shops. It sets an example. We are heading for in Scotland again, with the Indian variant getting imported thanks to the Johnson regime sucking up to Modi and a fascist/unionist riot in Glasgow last weekend spreading it as far as possible from the currently worst affected district in the country. Bottom line is that the British junta is using biological warfare against us. The death toll could well end up higher than what Saddam Hussein inflicted on rebel cities with poison gas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 17 May 21 - 09:14 AM A prudent person is aware that fully vaccinated people are not all immune to all varients for all time. Certain situations are ideal for infections and therefore make continued use of masks a wise decision. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 15 May 21 - 04:22 AM 12 people are responsible for most of the world's Covid misinformation |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 May 21 - 11:29 AM The wording also said that you should wear a mask in businesses that still require masks. They may have a workforce that is younger and not yet fully vaccinated and want to protect them. Like Jill Biden quipped the other day, she felt naked being in public without the mask. I'll be looping one around my neck to have handy (as I do every morning when I'm getting ready to go out). There are a lot of unvaccinated people here and you can catch the virus after being vaccinated, so I'll err on the side of caution for a while longer. Jeri, I recently got some fabric for making Pride masks this year. I'll send you some when they're made. (I also have black with music, yellow with chickens, black with dinosaurs, and a bunch of other leftover prints.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 14 May 21 - 10:21 AM An article by the German virologist Christian Drosten was circulated a few days ago. His take is that virtually everyone who isn't vaccinated will get it. There is always going to be a large enough core of unvaccinated (and possibly unvaccinatable) people to keep the virus in circulation. The "core model" was developed as a description of gonorrhoea - the ultra-promiscuous keep it going by playing pass-the-parcel with germs and every so often a bystander gets pulled in. Surprising to see it turn up again with anti-vaxxers playing the role of hookers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jeri Date: 14 May 21 - 10:07 AM First off, it will take a while for me to feel ok with NOT wearing a mask in public. The question was asked at the President's news conference (I THINK it was, anyway) about "how do we know if other people not wearing masks have actually been vaccinated?" The answer, to paraphrase, was "it's THEIR problem". If they're vulnerable and want to risk it, they can." There are some folks who CAN'T be vaccinated, and so could be infected, but they're probably wearing masks. A big "so what?!" sort of squashes the tendency to mind everyone else's business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 14 May 21 - 08:02 AM An anti-airborne-virus public building programme would risk becoming another Maginot Line - generals preparing for the last war. Climate change means the infrastructure might need to cope with insect-vectored disease, extreme wind storms, snow loading on roofs, flash flooding, forest fires, breaks in transport and communication links from sea level rise and storm surges, breached contaminant stores... the safer option is to hold back on massive investment until we know what we're dealing with. Better not to destroy what we already have. Ols schools work okay and are flexible to upgrade. It's like trees - old trees soak up far more carbon than young ones; cutting and replanting is always nett destruction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 14 May 21 - 06:20 AM In the US THE GARGANTUAN POLIITIZATION OF MASKS IS OVER. The CDC has lifted the mask mandate! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: The Sandman Date: 14 May 21 - 01:20 AM politicians and governments across the world should be looking at long term ways of dealing with this virus . programmes similiar to roosevelts new deal need to be implemented whereby certain numbers of new schools and public buildings are redesigned and built ,so that people in buildings are less liklely to spread the virus |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 May 21 - 11:59 PM What is Long COVID and how do you treat it? It sounds like an incredible number of people are dealing with this. Although most people who are infected will develop mild or moderate symptoms -- or none at all -- scientists are now researching another way COVID-19 continues to stagger and show up, sometimes for months or even a year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 May 21 - 10:14 PM Today for the United States, the CDC lifted the mask wearing for fully-vaccinated adults outdoors, indoors, with fully-vaccinated adults. They are still required on rapid transit, in businesses that require masks, when flying, and in health care facilities. They are advised in really crowded buildings, at large sporting events, in mixed-vaccination crowds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: The Sandman Date: 13 May 21 - 05:37 AM all the more reaon scotland and the uk should be ventilating schools, or even starting to build new schools. building new schools also boosts the economy if you accept keynsian economics |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 13 May 21 - 12:42 AM Two new outbreaks in Scotland, after the number of new cases had been reduced to near zero. One at a secondary school in Elgin, the other at a primary school in Midlothian. Given the much too rapid reduction in precautions in schools across the UK, I expect there will be more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 May 21 - 08:52 PM I've had horizontal grooves on my nails for decades. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 May 21 - 08:34 PM Are ‘covid nails’ a sign you had the virus? Experts weigh in. At this point in the pandemic, the coronavirus’s devastating effects on the human body have been well documented. But unusual symptoms that may be connected to the virus continue to crop up, including “covid toes,” “covid tongue” and hair loss. The changes are a result of "Beau's lines" - “a temporary interruption in the nail growth.” Twitter post by Tim Spector about "COVID nails" included has some oddball responses. News reports and social media posts aren't science. Consider this a source of anecdotal coincidences that could lead to something but are more likely to mean nothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 11 May 21 - 08:08 AM Bad news from India: Mucormycosis Massive underreporting |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 09 May 21 - 09:24 AM I wonder if Biden's infrastructure plan innvolves virus-proofing hospitals. That would be a great idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 08 May 21 - 11:36 AM NYC is still storing 750 covid vidtims in deeo freeze refridgeration trailers while poorer families are trying ti resov the burials. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 05 May 21 - 09:22 PM A new problem needs a solution regarding graduating doctors being left out in the cold because of residency requirments. There are not enough residencies to go around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 05 May 21 - 05:51 PM I wasn't just thinking of hospitals. Our local education authority has been replacing old schools (with windows that open, so every classroom was independently ventilated) with big glass boxes sold as "community hubs" and funded by PFI (the Blair/Brown scam). My wife went to Pilates classes in one. The windowless room they got had NO air inlets at all - it just used whatever air flowed through the cracks from neighbouring rooms or in the door when you opened it. If you used it now you'd be inhaling viruses that had drifted the length of the building through at least two other rooms. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: The Sandman Date: 05 May 21 - 05:27 PM if the nhs had not been deliberately run down and starved of money. it could have been done, mean while field hospitals standing empty.[more government incompetence] it can be done if the government has the will instead they spend the moneyon other things . jack when was the last time one fever hospital designed to cope with viruses was built. we have a pandemic and the government of the uk is like nero fiddling while rome was burning , of course new hospitals can be built, but the conservative party has not and will not build them, they have spent billions listed below but not built one virus designed hospital designed specifically for virus pandemics HERE The government failed to provide transparency when hastily awarding billions of pounds worth of contracts during the covid-19 pandemic, the UK’s public spending watchdog has concluded. The National Audit Office (NAO) said that the government had failed to provide adequate documentation showing how some key decisions were reached, including why particular suppliers were chosen or how potential conflicts of interest were handled. Some contracts were awarded after work had already begun, many were not published in the timeframe they should have been, and some conflicts of interest were not disclosed, a report1 by the auditors found. The investigation into government procurement during the pandemic found that the government awarded over 8600 contracts worth £18bn (€20bn; $24bn) by 31 July, with most of these (£16.2bn worth) awarded by the Department of Health and Social Care and its national bodies. Contracts totalling £10.5bn have been awarded without a competitive tender process, the NAO found. Gareth Davies, the head of the NAO, said, “While we recognise that these were exceptional circumstances, it remains essential that decisions are properly documented and made transparent if government is to maintain public trust that taxpayers’ money is being spent appropriately and fairly. The evidence set out in our report shows that these standards of transparency and documentation were not consistently met in the first phase of the pandemic.” Personal protective equipment (PPE) accounted for 80% of the number of contracts awarded (over 6900 contracts) and 68% of the total value (£12.3bn). The Department of Health and Social Care awarded contracts to 71 suppliers, worth £1.5bn in total, before its process to assess and process offers of support of PPE was standardised, the NAO found. Examples of contracts awarded retrospectively after work had already been carried out included £3.2m to Deloitte to support procurement of PPE on 21 July 2020. The government also established a “high priority lane” to assess potential PPE sources referred by officials and politicians that were deemed more credible. About one in 10 suppliers processed through the high priority lane (47 out of 493) obtained contracts, compared with less than one in 100 suppliers that came through the ordinary lane (104 of 14?892). The NAO also found that sources of referrals to the high priority lane were not always documented, with one supplier, PestFix, added in error without a referral. A clear trail of documents to support key procurement decisions was sometimes missing, the auditors said. The NAO also reported that many of the contracts awarded have not been published in a timely manner. By 10 November 2020, details were still missing for 55% of the 1644 contracts worth more than £25?000 awarded up to the end of July 2020, and only 25% were published within the 90 day target. If a similar situation arises again, the government should identify and manage potential conflicts of interest and bias earlier in the procurement process and ensure that basic information on contracts are published within 90 days of award, the auditors concluded. Meg Hillier, chair of the Commons Committee of Public Accounts, said, “Even in an emergency, public procurements need to get the basics right. Clearly, too many didn’t. “The mistakes revealed by this report are likely to be only the tip of the iceberg.” This article is made freely available for use in accordance with BMJ's website terms and conditions for the duration of the covid-19 pandemic or until otherwise determined by BMJ. You may use, download and print the article for any lawful, non-commercial purpose (including text and data mining) provided that all copyright notices and trade marks are retained. https://bmj.com/coronavirus/usage |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 May 21 - 05:01 PM Jaysus, Jack, and here was me thinking that you were only 49... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jack Campin Date: 05 May 21 - 04:38 PM Governments have had a year to redesign buildings , redesigm schools and hospitals I once had a summer job standing up on a mobile scaffold with a glue brush and a roll of tape sealing leaks in the airconditioning ducts of a large glass cube modern hospital (50 years ago, but the design is not very different now). If one minor quality control glitch could give me a job for two months imagine what completely replacing the airflow systems of every glass cube building on earth would take. It can't be done. But mask wearing is doable |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 May 21 - 04:05 PM And, Dick, it appears from their posts that Maggie, Jeri and Mrrzy have swallowed the propaganda from governments making it sound like we're all responsible for this pandemic because we don't wear masks (or because we don't like masks, or because we don't trust masks) hook, line and sinker. Nothing to do with governments' gross incompetence in their mishandling of things, of course, as I've listed several times. "There are numerous studies out there" is more weasel words. There have been no studies, and can't be any studies, that isolate mask-wearing from a number of confounding factors, as I said earlier. That is not unwishful thinking. That is science. Anecdotal "evidence" doesn't get over the high bar required by science. Anyway, my mask is always with me and I comply with all rules. That's what we should be doing, no messing. But we can still discuss masks, can't we. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: The Sandman Date: 05 May 21 - 02:51 PM yes, very funny. you understand my point to make hospitals effective at preventing the spreading of viruses. governments are passing the buck to ordinary people instead of doing their supposed job to protect the people is the job that they are supposed get paid for if you are more concerned about typos, that reflects on your persona |
