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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Jun 20 - 07:17 PM I'm not exactly anti-mask, but I don't wear a mask unless forced to do so (as in my medical centre). I don't know whether that makes me a moron. The reason I won't wear a mask is that I think that at best, any benefit will be far outweighed by the improper wearing of masks, the inadequate and gappy nature of most masks I've seen and the complacency which an awful lot of mask-wearers appear to be afflicted with. Wear your mask if you want. But you'll have to pass a law before I'll join you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mossback Date: 25 Jun 20 - 06:59 PM Don't canonize Cuomo just yet, Gilly. In my immediate area 80% of the businesses are not complying with the mandate that customers wear masks and about 25% don't enforce the mask rule for their employees as well as their customers. These businesses have been reported, weeks ago, and nothing has been done. Nor has Cuomo made masks mandatory, period, with penalties attached for non-compliance, as should be done. Stay tuned: theres going to be a resurgence of Covid-19 in New York, they'll have to shut the whole damn state down again - and I hope that'll make the anti-mask morons happy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jun 20 - 06:03 PM Governor Abbott in Texas is realizing he's going to have to start acting like Cuomo in New York. This "opening up Texas" train is off the rails. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mossback Date: 25 Jun 20 - 05:47 PM it makes the death toll 10x smaller, percentage-wise. Yup - a mere 150,000 and growing in the U.S. alone. Good news indeed. Damn near cause for celebration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 25 Jun 20 - 05:45 PM Also, this: Blicky Fox News and their ilk caused a lot of the problem.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mossback Date: 25 Jun 20 - 05:44 PM OK, Mary, I did what you asked & looked up the so-called Zelenko Protocol & Dr Zelenko on half a dozen responsible websites. Didn't take too long to discover that Zelenko is a not too bright lying blogger pushing unsubstantiated, fact-free, harmful bullshit. Just what we need in these times of crisis- another lying sack of s*** like Trump conning suckers with pseudo-science. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 25 Jun 20 - 05:41 PM And per the CDC, the number of cases is probably 10x what we thought. Good news, actually, as it makes the death toll 10x smaller, percentage-wise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mossback Date: 25 Jun 20 - 05:31 PM Great, Mary. More voodoo, unscientific "medicine". You working for Trump now, or for Pence? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: mg Date: 25 Jun 20 - 05:00 PM read up again about zelenko protocol. Warning...he is not a handsome model type of doctor and that goes against him unfortunately. Read about the people who have been saved with his protocol, zinc plus hcq plus azt plus perhaps vitamin d. read about the non rich countries around the world who have fought the plague with this protocol..countries that will not have a chance with more expensive drugs. read about the faked studies that are the basis for the slander against the protocol..where they gave six or more times the usual dose..and are said to have used a drug with a similar name to HCq. Ooops..so many of them died..it is supposed to be administered when symptoms erupt..not near death. Go on twitter and follow every single doctor and epidemiologist you can find, especially those from other countries. Read countries that have defied WHO. Follow the money that leads to more expensive drugs and vaccines. Follow the political hatred towards trump..justified usually but not here. Do not give heed to what newscasters, politicians, movie stars and home schoolers have to say. We are talking.HCQ by itself has known risks and they are rare and it is a nonpatented, easily produced, inexpensive drug. Now, you of course have to look at interactions with other drugs and other disease states and underlying conditions and stage of disease but they shut down studies that are trying to sort all this out. It is a very complex situation, corrupted by well, corruption of some sort. We are permitting the deaths of thousands of our own citizens..not pretty deaths either...and contributing to death and disease of millions of non-americans. I will not give links People will have to look at this by themselves. It is rapidly evolving, befouled research and it is too complicated. So find experts and follow them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: keberoxu Date: 25 Jun 20 - 12:04 PM The actual news report of this family tragedy is here: one birthday party, 18 people ill with COVID-19, two elderly parents in hospital This is what Stilly River Sage has been prophesying for months now. My summary of the story, for those who care to read it: A middle-aged volunteer EMT is married to a doctor, and is part of a large family, including his parents in their 80s. Their adult nephew wanted to host a surprise birthday party, in person, for their daughter-in-law, turning 30. So of course the EMT and his doctor-spouse were invited. The middle-aged couple "refused to go to the party due to safety reasons." The EMT is quoted saying: "We knew this was going to happen, I mean this whole time this has been going on, we've been terrified." Today, this couple, having avoided the event, are in good health. But the EMT's parents are in the hospital, and may not make it. Grandma, meaning the EMT's mother, "stopped by the party to drop something off." She was there long enough to become infected with coronavirus, and she then went home, where her husband became infected. Grandpa is now in ICU, on life support, and thisclose to "being put on a ventilator." Quoting the report: "Among those infected are two young children, two grandparents, a cancer patient, and [the EMT's] parents, who are in their 80s ... 18 people in the family have tested positive for COVID-19." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 20 Jun 20 - 06:40 PM At the Trump Rally there are optional masks Mandatory: temp taking The snack shops have optional Milk of Amnesia Mandatory: all drinks are laced with oxytocin |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 20 Jun 20 - 06:01 PM In 2008 the watch dogs colluded with real estate to make any loan with a pulse. Then bundle the mess as an investment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mr Red Date: 20 Jun 20 - 05:52 PM There's a guy here who reckons house prices in the US are rising because: 1) low interest rates are encouraging buyers (millennials) & 2) sellers have taken there's of the market unwilling to allow potential COVIDers to breach the shelter in place. Demand higher than supply, up goes the price. And I can't see that mechanism being any different in the UK. So we may see an overheated market, with a swift readjustment. Now wasn't that what happened in 2008? Co-factors are different but the effect will be the same. Second wave (COVID), double dip recession? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 20 Jun 20 - 01:07 PM Eviction freezes are starting to expire State by State. Its not just about food and health security alone anymore. Congressional action is needed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 20 Jun 20 - 12:44 PM Almost 1 in 100 have had or have the virus in the US. That is so generalized that it doesn't mean your area applies. The comedian Bill Mahre generalizes further that Americans are not healthy enough to deal with the virus well because of diet. On Meal Time with Bill Mahre I think he goes overboard with his polemics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 19 Jun 20 - 07:52 AM Covid messes with Texas as hospitals see 95% increase in patients |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 18 Jun 20 - 06:22 PM In my neihborhood they are doing stem cell research to combat the cytokine storm to help the sickest victims. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 18 Jun 20 - 09:37 AM Risk factors are just another underlying condition and is more speculative than a guarantee. Suppose an America devoid of any scientific knowledge or heads up about a pandemic but with its present population. Infection would reach about 60% of 370 million people. Death rates would be several million. While my scenario is impossible, it could be worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Jun 20 - 09:07 AM The blood group data has hit the mainstream news. A is more susceptible, both to the virus and its complications, and O is more resistant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Jun 20 - 01:27 AM Texas' big-city mayors ask Gov. Greg Abbott for power to impose face mask rules
As COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to climb in Texas, an executive order from Abbott bans local governments from imposing fines or criminal penalties on people who don't wear masks in public. When the order went into effect, orders from counties and cities requiring masks became toothless. The mayors wrote that many people in their cities continue to refuse to wear face masks and that "a one-size-fits-all approach is not the best option" when it comes to regulating the issue. The letter is signed by Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner, San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg, Austin Mayor Steve Adler, Dallas Mayor Eric Johnson, Fort Worth Mayor Betsy Price, El Paso Mayor Dee Margo, Arlington Mayor Jeff Williams, Plano Mayor Harry LaRosiliere and Grand Prairie Mayor Ron Jensen. The letter asks Abbott to consider allowing each city's local officials to decide whether to require the use of face coverings in order to prevent the spread of the virus. On Tuesday, the state reported a record-breaking total of 2,518 patients hospitalized with the virus. The seven-day average of new cases has also reached new heights in recent days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Jun 20 - 06:27 PM By the way, mushrooms are commonly grown in a medium containing animal manure. Just thought I'd mention it in case any vegans are reading... Sticking your bare skin into the summer sunshine for a quarter of an hour daily is totally vegan, and fairly sensual... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Jun 20 - 06:19 PM I posted to this and it went into the ether, so here goes again, quite likely not verbatim: If you want your vitamin D, stick your bare arms, bare legs and bare arse into the summer sunshine for fifteen minutes. There's no charge, and you can save the mushroom money... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Thompson Date: 17 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM Today had the highest figures worldwide as it rages on in Brazil and the US. Vitamin D is said to increase resistance to the virus; mushrooms are one of the few vegetarian foods that can make this vitamin - if you expose them to sunlight for 15 minutes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 16 Jun 20 - 03:37 PM An old steroid was found to reduce mortality by 1/3 among the sickest patients according to a finding at Oxford University. Way to go UK The steroid is a dextro... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Jun 20 - 06:48 AM Why the R rate is bullshit: suppose I was the only person in Cornwall with Coronavirus. I then give it to three people in my house. The R rate in Cornwall is then 3. So let's lock the whole country down again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 16 Jun 20 - 06:33 AM I'm surprised you did not know that Trump hollowed out NIH of its pandemic research. He then zeroed out funding to WHO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 15 Jun 20 - 08:14 PM Pfr... Snicker. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: gillymor Date: 15 Jun 20 - 07:07 PM President Bonespur has come up with the cure for the pandemic. Who knew it would be this simple. trump-on-coronavirus-if-we-stop-testing-right-now-wed-have-very-few-cases if any He must have had a 3 Lysol lunch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 15 Jun 20 - 06:19 PM A ship's doctor on a corona quarantine Pirate vessel has pleaded for more help struggling to lower the aRrrrr rate... .. if that amuses anyone, it'll be a mudcatter... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 14 Jun 20 - 11:43 AM Wonder why NIH yanked its funding but anyway: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/nih-halted-study-unveils-its-massive-analysis-bat-coronaviruses Oddly near a Bats Make Tequila thread in my newsfeed: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/14/world/bat-facts-cnn-special-coronavirus-scn/index.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 10 Jun 20 - 10:50 AM And the O blood group is less likely to get it at all. Goes along with A- being more likely to develop serious complications if they get it. Many sources, google ABO blood coronavirus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mr Red Date: 09 Jun 20 - 08:06 AM Has he died since?<> On reflection the caption may have read "left to bleed to death". The picture was certainly a lifeless looking person face down, and no one in attendances. Death is not a word you ignore. And the caption does imply something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 09 Jun 20 - 06:51 AM The notion of the amount of viral load is being addressed as to the degree of serious infection. The viral load shedding is highest at the onset of the earliest symptons. It is still transmitted by an infected asymptomatic person but not as high. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 08 Jun 20 - 10:12 PM Although nothing seems topic related lately, he is in serious but stable condition. He hit hard enough to bleed from his ears and a small laceration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Doug Chadwick Date: 08 Jun 20 - 06:21 AM I saw a picture of a man who was said to have been knocked over by police in the current protest and left to bleed to death. If you are referring to the 75 year old in Buffalo, all the reports that I have read say that he is in a serious but stable condition. Has he died since? We must be careful about spreading false news, even if it is unintentional. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mr Red Date: 08 Jun 20 - 04:21 AM Just read George Floyd tested positive on autopsy. He was also "said" to have had COVID. Either way, if so, his lung function would have been depressed, and was vulnerable. I saw a picture of a man who was said to have been knocked over by police in the current protest and left to bleed to death. Avoidable deaths both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:05 PM Wow. A$$holes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Bonzo3legs Date: 07 Jun 20 - 03:37 PM Just to let you know this is a telephone call a friend received today. Be aware folks. ‘Good morning, I'm calling from the NHS track and trace service. According to our system, you are likely to have been in close proximity to someone who has tested postive for COVID-19. This means that you now need to self-isolate for 7 days and take a COVID-19 test.' 'OK. Can you tell me who that person was?' 'I'm not able to tell you that. That is confidential information.' 'Right. Um... so ....' 'But you do need to be tested within the next 72 hours. So can I just get the best mailing address so that we can send a kit to you?' 'Ok (gives address)' 'Thank you - and I just need to take a payment card so that we can finalise this and send the kit to you.' 'Sorry - a payment card? I though this was all free?' 'No - I'm afraid not. There is a one-off fee of £500 for the kit, and test results. Could you read off the long card number for me, please, when you're ready.' 'No - that's not right. This is part of the NHS so there's no charge.' 'I'm afraid there is. Can you give me the card number please - this is very important, and there are penalties for not complying.' Puts phone down. This is how scammers work. And vulnerable people will fall for it. Don't fall for it...! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Donuel Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:02 PM better quarantine those cops |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Jun 20 - 05:05 PM Oh great - my blood group (A-) is way more likely to suffer respiratory failure, if infected, than others. https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:06 PM It was just a new datum. Nothing about cause of death. He may have infected the cops, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mossback Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:58 PM Insinuating perhaps that 'he would have died anyway'? That precise canard - that "people would have died anyway" has been and still is a major Republican talking point. The "party of Lincoln" (yeah, right) really has devolved into absolute shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:14 PM Exactly Steve. Insinuating perhaps that 'he would have died anyway'? Sister has just e mailed this afternoon to say she tottered out to her car (Ford Focus) to go for a brief spin and recharge the battery. She felt uplifted to see the Scottish countryside, and stopped at a re-opened garden centre, bought one or two plants and went home. Breathing a bit better, but the weakness still debilitating. This may be an improvement - sincerely hope so! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Jun 20 - 10:18 AM George Floyd was symptom-free and the virus played no part in his death. Needs saying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 04 Jun 20 - 08:47 AM Thank you Thompson for your kindness. I expect she has tried various positions/ways to improve her breathing (she's a retired consultant anaesthetist, so knows about O2 levels and so on). Her latest e mail yesterday said she has used a pulse-oxymeter thingy, and her levels are quite low. Also, her lungs are filling up again, but she's managing to clear them each morning by heavy coughing. She's naturally quite depressed at the thought that she might never regain the robust health she enjoyed recently before this virus (she's a lot younger than me). Please everyone, keep vigilant and try to prevent ever catching the blooming plague! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:54 AM Just read George Floyd tested positive on autopsy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:52 AM The protests cannot be good for curve-flattening... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Mossback Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:34 PM About as effective as chloroquine. |
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Subject: E: BS: New news on the pandemic From: mg Date: 03 Jun 20 - 07:47 PM I am in no way recommending this so check it out yourselves, but someone sent me something about lying over an exercise ball relieving some of the lung stress. it was put out by a physical therapist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic From: Thompson Date: 02 Jun 20 - 06:17 PM I'm very sorry to hear about your sister, Senoufou. If she lies on her front (though maybe not while sleeping - I don't know?) it's supposed to give the lungs a better chance to fill up with oxygenated air than if she's lying on her back. If anyone is interested in donating a fiver, there's a collection for the Navajo and Hopi people - it's probably linked in this piece here about how Irish people are donating in large numbers, as a kind of pass-it-on payback for the decency of the Choctaw, who collected money and sent it to us during the Famine. What one reliable authority here, Luke O'Neill, is saying is that it's almost impossible to catch the virus outdoors, but people should mask up when indoors; shouting, running and sweating make you puff out more nasty virusy breath if you're infected. I've also heard that the majority of infections are caused by 'super-spreaders', which is supposed to make limit the infection easier, though I don't see how unless they're incarcerated like the unfortunate Mary Malone, 'Typhoid Mary'. |
