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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Nigel Parsons 24 Oct 21 - 12:01 PM
Donuel 23 Oct 21 - 04:30 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Oct 21 - 04:18 PM
Bonzo3legs 23 Oct 21 - 03:56 PM
Donuel 23 Oct 21 - 02:43 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Oct 21 - 01:22 PM
Bonzo3legs 23 Oct 21 - 01:04 PM
Stilly River Sage 23 Oct 21 - 12:28 PM
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Backwoodsman 23 Oct 21 - 08:59 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Oct 21 - 12:01 PM

. . . and some talk more shit than others!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 04:30 PM

My mom once said "She wouldn't say shit if she had a mouthful".
Today people say shit all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 04:18 PM

Feel free to refute via measured argument, Bonzo!

As a matter of fact, on your point, I remember that great organic gardener, Lawrence Hills, saying that a huge pile of fresh horse manure can actually smell very nice...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 03:56 PM

I'm sure that Steve Shaw would argue that shit doesn't stink if it suited him!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 02:43 PM

By the Niagara River there are people who also say "Com'on in the waters fine".


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 01:22 PM

The GP appears to be the victim of received wisdom. After a disastrous spring last year, UK cases plummeted to less than 2000 a week by July (they're currently around 50,000 a week). But all that happened before masks were made mandatory. Now isn't that odd. Of course, we have many a siren voice at present claiming that the current spike is the result of mask-wearing being made voluntary in July. Considering the 2020 experience, you don't have to be Einstein to see that that connection simply doesn't stand up.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 01:04 PM

Retired pediatrician Dr Ros Jones says we should not have another lockdown: "We have 90% of the adult population vaccinated and we're still worrying whether we have to protect the NHS."

While some doctors are calling on the government to initiate “Plan B” in response to rising Covid cases and hospitalisations across the country, others say more restrictions would be “illogical”.

GP Dr Grant Ingrams thinks Covid cases are increasing due to anti-maskers: "I popped into the shop. I was the only person wearing a mask. Here we are in the middle of a pandemic. Everyone seems to say it's fine."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 12:28 PM

Meanwhile, in the race to vaccinate against COVID-19, White House details plan to roll out Covid-19 vaccines for children ages 5 to 11

The Biden administration has secured enough vaccine supply to vaccinate the 28 million children ages 5 to 11 who would become eligible for vaccination if the vaccine is authorized for that age group and will help equip more than 25,000 pediatric and primary care offices, hundreds of community health centers and rural health clinics as well as tens of thousands of pharmacies to administer the shots, according to the White House.

"We know millions of parents have been waiting for Covid-19 vaccine for kids in this age group. And should the FDA and (US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) authorize the vaccine, we will be ready to get shots in arms," White House Covid-19 response director Jeff Zients told reporters at a White House Covid-19 briefing on Wednesday.

Zients continued: "Kids have different needs than adults and our operational planning is geared to meet those specific needs, including by offering vaccinations in settings that parents and kids are familiar with and trust."

The administration is also launching a partnership with the Children's Hospital Association "to work with over 100 children's hospital systems across the country to set up vaccination sites in November and through the end of the calendar year," the White House announced.

The administration also plans to help make vaccination available at school and other "community-based sites" with help from Federal Emergency Management Agency funding.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 12:13 PM

In mere Devon then!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 11:42 AM

Devon.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 11:35 AM

What do you expect in mere Cornwall??


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 10:17 AM

Well a senior consultant nearly whipped out my gall bladder until I protested...He'd got me mixed up with somebody else...And it ain't junior nurses who leave swabs and scalpels inside patients...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 09:06 AM

No, because she never asked if I was on blood thinning medication which the instruction sheet handed over after the injection stated she was supposed to do, whereas the senior nurse who administered flu jabs recently of course did ask, and aagain when having the first covid jab last February.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 08:59 AM

”Just has Pfizer booster from a junior nurse at our surgery - would have preferred a senior nurse or doctor.”

I would very much prefer that junior medical staff do the mundane, simple, repetitive jobs like administering C-19 vaccinations, so that the senior, more highly-trained ones are freed to get on with treating patients who are already sick and need their superior skills and knowledge.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 06:46 AM

Why, because she couldn't reach the top of your arm?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 06:28 AM

Just has Pfizer booster from a junior nurse at our surgery - would have preferred a senior nurse or doctor.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:27 PM

I got my booster in early September, just walked in and there was no line. But there is an embarrassment of riches here when it comes to vaccine availability. Now if we could just convince more people to take advantage of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 06:08 PM

picking the vaccine to promote best results


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 06:01 PM

Mrs G and I get our flu jabs and covid boosters next Wednesday. Hope the cocktail is OK!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 05:09 PM

The Launceston Tesco does flu jabs, I've just discovered. That's 20 miles. The next nearest is Barnstaple, an hour's drive. These city-slickers don't know they're born...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 04:38 PM

Since June up to today 49 of the 50 deaths from Covid 19 in Washington DC were black. 60% of those deaths were in the black neighborhoods of ward 7 and 8.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 04:31 PM

Incidentally, Boots told the missus today that the earliest date for her would four weeks from now. I'll bet that if she offered to go private for £14.99 they'd do her tomorrow. B*ast*ards...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 04:29 PM

I'll have a pot at that tomorrow, pfr. The only thing is that where we live in pastyshire the nearest Tesco is 20 miles away...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 01:27 PM

After the holidays I'll be looking at my 4th jab. Self Immune disorders may not make as many antibodies per shot as others might but its still a crap shoot when it comes to beating the odds.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 01:14 PM

Just a suggestion, phone your nearest tesco pharmacy, and ask if they have drop in sessions. Or if you need book online.

If they have an appropriate qualified pharmacist on duty,
my wife got jabbed same day.
I waited until after the weekend.

This on presumption all tescos provide this service...?

Sod waiting for useless gp surgeries...!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 01:03 PM

Yep. Our flu jabs, booked long in advance, have been cancelled - twice. I'm booked in now for Nov 6 but Mrs Steve, who goes to a different medical centre, can't even rebook yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 11:43 AM

Roll out of the flu jab is a shambles..

Last year our GP contacted us to say we were entitled to a free jab,
right late near the end of the flu season.
We'd already paid for them in Tesco Pharmacy well before xmas.

This year we got texts from GP that we will be notified when available.
That was some months ago.

So last week we just walked into tesco for on the spot drop in free flu jabs.

Now waiting approx 3 weeks for protection to become effective.
Which aint easy with mrs punkfolkrocker working in an infant school...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 11:28 AM

Good for you Bonzo! Hope it goes well.
Wish our surgery would call us in for our boosters, but our second jab was in July - maybe it's a bit early for the booster.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:54 AM

I was told my mum got the booster and flu jab in her care home recently...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:45 AM

We are booked for boosters in the morning!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:35 AM

An interview with a pediatric office nurse today on NPR talked about the contact they expect to have with a group of parents of young children who consider themselves healthy and young enough to not need the shot, many of them healthy enough that they don't have regular physicians of their own to see annually. She thinks the interface of pediatrician's office where they will take their children for the shot is the place the staff can also convince the parents (with logic and science) to get the vaccines themselves. Chances are the pediatrician's offices can't give the parents the shots (though that would save a step if they could.)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:33 AM

..and I do have an innate 'fear' of needles,
so far as I could never become a junkie...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:27 AM

"We are talking about sticking needles into people, lest we forget"

But it's just a tiny prick.
So small and inconsequential most folks probably wouldn't even feel it going in, or being pulled back out.

It's not like you'd be having a giant dildo rammed up your arse without lubrication.
which is more like the scale of discomfort all this pathetic hysterical anti-needle whining conjurs up...

F@cking snowflakes...!!! [yes, us lefties can use that insulting word as well...]

.. and anyway, there are effective alternative injections in development and practice,
which don't use needles.

Ok, I'm a a bit squeamish about having blood samples taken.
But am never at all bothered by injections..

I'm a big brave boy...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:01 AM

While nearly all things are possible, a novelist would have to consider that in the unvaccinated ignorant population there is a possibility that they are more prone to evolutionary DNA responses to pandemic by factors previously mentioned. Yes instead of a curse there could be a blessing in refusing vaccine. No this is not ammunition for conspiracy theorists but is just a very remote possibility that an open mind could consider. Of course the cost is millions of needless deaths in the short run. Bottom line, it was just an interesting thought I hold in personal distain.

I'll get me 'over thinking it' hat.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 09:21 AM

A passing thought...
We as homo sapiens differ by a tenth to a hundredth of one degree and compared to Chimps differ by 1 full percent.
This not a scientific observation but I have a question that a diversty of 24% of us refusing vaccination has an effect on the species at large. Pandemics have changed us before in terms of those more suited for survival. 24% of us are not dying off but perhaps in a smaller way our DNA will have changes that would not appear without pandemic. Exogenetic factors could in be in play as well as ancient genes turning on or off. We are not seeing a subspecies going extinct but we may be changed in ways as a species we may not know.

26 million kids 5-11 in the US are to be vaccinated. A quarter of them will not get the shot as a result of parental opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 07:30 AM

Republicans REJOICE ! Future cures and profits lift hearts.
A Florida man discovers that smoking crack cocaine cures Covid 19. He said "Its way better than Ivermectin". Miami Circuit Court Judge Yahwright did not order the man's Doctor to prescribe huge doses of Cocaine, unlike the Jacksonville judge who ordered Physicians to prescribe Ivermectin. I guess a JD outranks an MD. :^/
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/07/1034947315/ivermectin-ohio-hospital-order-judge


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 07:11 AM

The Washington State U. football coach along with 4 of his assistants was fired the other day for refusing to be vaccinated. He had a couple of months to do his research and, after dithering a bit, went for a religious exemption that was denied.

from the BBC

Pat Chun, the AD said "Our priority has been and will continue to be the health and well being of the young men in our team." It was obviously not the priority of their former coach. Let's hope this resonates with other non-vaxxers.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 07:03 AM

With my face it may not be a bad thing...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 07:00 AM

I have absolutely no problem with people being *encouraged* to do anything, including wearing a mask. As I said, this thing is with us for the rest of our lives, and hands up all those who want to be hiding half their faces for the rest of their lives...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:55 AM

Husband has just done his lateral flow test (every Sunday and Wednesday) and thank God it's negative again. He has to do nine hours of heavy cleaning work during lesson-times and evenings at the high school, where all the pupils & teachers wear a mask. He's given a mask and a visor plus disposable rubber gloves to perform his work. Being BAME he is more vulnerable to Covid.
When he gets home, he showers and cleans himself, plus changes all his clothes.
I can't imagine how I'd feel if the poor chap had refused any vaccinations. But (thank God again!) he has had two AZ ones and awaits the booster shortly, as do I. Also, he's very determined to wear a disposable mask (as am I) when we go to the supermarket.
Now imagine if he was a refusenik anti-vaxxer, contracted the virus and generously passed it to me. I have a heart condition, am elderly and he could be the cause of my demise.
We both take this very seriously, and feel that everyone should be encouraged to accept the vaccine. And wear a mask. Or risk death after infecting other people.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:49 AM

I quite enjoy the background stuff but then again, I'm a lightweight :-D

Maybe you can find the nitty-gritty by following a Google trail from her Wiki entry?

No good me looking. I'd fall off my chair after the first page!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:44 AM

It's a good yarn, Dave, but it doesn't exactly tell us how our behaviour should be informed by the findings. We get a lot about stuff like her daughter at the gym, her floods of tears, dramatic wakenings, etc., instead. I was kind of waiting for the big denouement, i.e., WEAR A BLOODY MASK! ....but it never came...

Popular science often seems to talk down to people, thinking that they'll only pay attention if mucho colour is added. It's a shame, because it often means that the baby is thrown down the plug'ole with the bathwater...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:13 AM

Absolutely fascinating article on how the WHO and some scientists got how the virus spread wrong.

The 60-Year-Old Scientific Screwup That Helped Covid Kill

We know that scientists do get it wrong sometimes and the article shows that once it is wrong, it can be difficult to put right.

What must have happened, she thought, was that after Wells died, scientists inside the CDC conflated his observations. They plucked the size of the particle that transmits tuberculosis out of context, making 5 microns stand in for a general definition of airborne spread. Wells’ 100-micron threshold got left behind. “You can see that the idea of what is respirable, what stays airborne, and what is infectious are all being flattened into this 5-micron phenomenon,” Randall says. Over time, through blind repetition, the error sank deeper into the medical canon.

Once people admit they were wrong through things can be fixed.

ON FRIDAY, APRIL 30, the WHO quietly updated a page on its website. In a section on how the coronavirus gets transmitted, the text now states that the virus can spread via aerosols as well as larger droplets.

I am not qualified to assess the impact of this but I still find the study very interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:10 AM

Its simple.
I have an old small pox scar so most of you don't have to have one.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 04:55 AM

We are in the same pickle here in Blighty as we were a year ago. Case numbers are going through the roof and hospitals are coming under pressure. It seems that as yet unvaccinated schoolchildren are the main drivers of this spike. The death rate is rising but, because of the vaccines, is only a small fraction of what it was last autumn. Like last year, voices abound, including many from in the NHS, which are trying to get the government to act immediately. Like last year, that isn't happening.

Well Johnson told us in July that there was no going back to the restrictions we endured last winter and spring. The big difference from last year is that we have most of the country vaccinated. I think we should push hard to get children vaccinated (via information and persuasion). I don't think we should reimpose *mandatory* bubbles, social distancing and masks. I think we should be organising a massive public campaign which tells people to get vaccinated and how to be careful in public places, and give us the full information about how the virus spreads, what the risks are, how we can protect the vulnerable and what we should do if we feel unwell. The lateral flow test kits are free, easy to get hold of and have been shown to be reliable. I've yet to see a public service ad on TV showing people how to use the kits. All that sort of thing. Ordering people to wear masks, to stay away from their loved ones' homes and cancelling Christmas simply won't wash again with the public. Compliance with the rules erodes away every time restrictions are imposed. They are no longer the way to get people onboard. Just for once I agree with the governments reluctance, but I have yet to see that huge public campaign that I believe would be by far the best way forward. We have to live with this virus for the rest of our lives and we do have to live those lives.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 07:09 PM

Yes, I know what you were saying, but you do at least know that the contaminated clothing and bedding came from a smallpox victim, so not hidden in the same sense as COVID-19 being hidden by the fact that it can transmit under cover from asymptomatic people, which could be around one infected person in three. As for needing to be more careful with covid-19, well we can hardly say for ANY potentially fatal infection that we should be more careful or less careful (or more careless) with one than with the other. Ethics, and all that. It's worth contemplating that the mortality rate (a term fraught with difficulty, though probably easier for smallpox as it is such an obvious and prominent infection when someone has it) for smallpox was around 30%, whereas for Covid-19 the mortality rate is in single numbers or less (fraught because we can't simply divide the number of confirmed cases by number of deaths, as many cases go unreported - mild symptoms or symptoms not recognised - or are asymptomatic). That is not in any way an argument for being either more careful or less careful. We must be as careful as it is humanly and practically possible to be. What we are arguing about here is the degree to which each step we take is either not enough, too much, or not required. As there's some evidence that transmission from hands or surfaces is possible (live virus has been harvested from those surfaces), sanitation is a no-brainer. Making every effort to keep your distance and to avoid crowded confined spaces, as we know that airborne is the main means of transmission, no-brainer. Taking the vaccine, far and away the best thing that everyone can do. Walking around with a damp rag on your face, that is infected if you're infected and doing very little if you're not, well I'm not sure about that. We'll never get rid of this virus so we have to decide how we are going to live with it for the rest of our lives. For the rest of our lives, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 06:22 PM

Steve, my point is that smallpox doesn’t have to be seen to be a threat.

Indeed, COVID is more contagious. That should make us more cautious, not less.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 05:47 PM

The word "foolhardy" was intended after "right or wrong."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 05:46 PM

Well I have no idea what you mean by public activities. I can only guess at the intended scope. Perhaps, instead of calling people with carefully measured and carefully considered opinions, right or wrong, you could stop the kind of misinformation which is constantly peddled here. There is a large error in the post of 04.25pm for example, that can be checked in ten seconds, from a person I never see you criticising. I submit to you that a closely-argued opinion, capable of being civilly disagreed with, is far less damaging than blatant misinformation.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 04:38 PM

Foolhardy devil's advocate posts abound here lately, supporting the rights of the ignorant to continue being able to infect others.

Vaccines should be compulsory for most public activities, with the occasional MEDICAL excuse. Never a religious excuse.


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