BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 May 20 - 06:53 AM

"Croydon University"

Surely the juxtaposition of these two words is an oxymoron...? :-)

I should think that the government is hoping against hope that summer will largely nobble the virus, at least for a time. It isn't easy to work out why some viruses are seasonal. Sunshine and Vitamin D may be a factor but it's hard to pin down as such. I suppose high UV levels will help to shorten the viability of viruses on outdoor surfaces, including human skin and clothing, and in aerosols. As they say in Tesco, every little helps.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 May 20 - 05:55 AM

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/are-you-wearing-gloves-a-mask-to-the-shops-you-might-be-doing-it-wrong/amp

From what I am hearing, vitamin D is generally helpful in limiting the widespreadness/severity of a lot of viruses. My question is regarding the correlation between the seasonal variations of 'flu-like infections and vitamin D production when sunshine is more prevalent. I feel sure it has been well researched, - enough for me to get the tablets, despite the sunny days we are experiencing. Lockdown means I am indoors much more. And dosage levels and toxicity are far apart with vitamin D, apparently. eg 15 µg cf 100 max safe recommended, though even that is not widely certain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#Immune_system

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 20 - 01:30 PM

Good news, that.

Interesting advice here:

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/are-you-wearing-gloves-a-mask-to-the-shops-you-might-be-doing-it-wrong/amp

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 May 20 - 12:54 PM

Interesting that Croydon University Hospital now only holds 50 coronavirus cases - down from 250 a short while ago, thus proving success of lockdown.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 20 - 09:32 AM

And what about llamas? You guys hear about this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/16/llama-coronavirus-antibodies-study-benefits

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 May 20 - 07:39 PM

Lets decide not to rush to a vaccine
When Gerald Ford was President we had an epidemic of swine flu. They rushed a vaccine to market in only six months. We got to see Gerry get his shot on TV. Something else was brewed inside the eggs that grew the vaccine. It was a rare nerurological disease called petite Barr syndrome. I got the shot in the morning and by the time I was doing the dishes after lunch the brew reached my motor nerves. It was as quick as a light switch. One second I'm wiping a dish and suddenly I was on the floor with the odd sensation of no sensation of controling my muscles. I thought of my cello teacher who was struck by polio for his lifetime. It was months before the reason for my collapse was reluctantly made clear. I had time for many thoughts and wonders.
The biggest wonder was discovering the automatic switch to somehow raise myself back to standing on my feet.

It was similar to being shot at but missed. But thats another story.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 May 20 - 08:19 AM

And international pretty graphs here

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 May 20 - 07:56 AM

Good views of US data here

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/USA-TRENDS/dgkvlgkrkpb/index.html?utm_source=digg

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 20 - 04:08 PM

There is a benefit to putting patients in a coma with a ventllator but it benefits doctors and nurses in terms of being able to tend to people who are conscious and breathing. It is true that sometimes forcing air into sore lungs is beneficial.
It is partly a matter of emotional relief. Some people are stressed hearing a baby cry. Hearing 200 people choking to death is stressful.
I would not condemn anyone who has to make survival choices when there are so few choices one can make.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:51 PM

lack of oxygen in the blood, and headaches? wasn't that one of the symptoms?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:46 PM

Former CDC Intel Officer Dr. Rishi Desai on Why It's Hard to Get a Grip on the Coronavirus Pandemic

It is 50 minutes long, but one thing caught my attention. The doc was saying the virus, when it finds its way to the bloodstream, results in a reduced ability for the blood to transport oxygen. Which supports the contention I have seen elsewhere (and posted here) that ventilating, per se, is not that effective.

And Sir Peter Piot (formost authority on pandemics!) has done videos on the effects of the virus that he has only just got through, er still recovering!
He tells of kidney damage, lack of strength, and more.

When you put it together with the lack of oxygen in the blood, - organ damage is understandable. Peter Piot is saying "You don't want this disease".

I believe him, I believe him!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 May 20 - 09:53 AM

Barry, dude.

Loud talking:https://m.jpost.com/health-science/loud-speech-can-leave-coronavirus-in-air-for-up-to-14-minutes-study-627972/amp

Blicky

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:27 AM

Since Dave Berry is retired I gotta do my own Dave Berry.
By using anachronistic facts, the absurdity shines even brighter.
Hey Ebbie this milk smells funny...you drink it.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 May 20 - 12:52 AM

Donuel, I sometimes enjoy your posts but among the things for which I am grateful is that you are not a journalist. Your reporting is specious.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 20 - 08:32 PM

Good News - The death toll was overestimated by half according to Trump and Dr. Birx.

The 'inflated' death total included people who only had the virus but died from falling down stairs, or that they were going to die anyway and didn't die directly from Corona virus.

Dr. Fauci said the opposite. The numbers are under estimated.

Trump responded "I like the numbers where they are, I don't want the numbers to double. Dr. Fauci is unacceptable."

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 20 - 09:24 AM

Men have more of an enzyme that helps Covid to enter cells of the heart kidney and lungs.

Avoid buffets like the plague.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 May 20 - 05:31 AM

It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell I would dispute the contention that we would not expect it to affect any of our muscles. Ask anyone who had ME/Yuppy 'flu/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The virus (Epstein Barr, Cocksackie B, etc) lives in the muscles and every time you get a cold the muscles weaken. It re-awakens the virus. FWIW Glandular Fever is a manifestation of the Epstein Barr virus and that is a chronic condition.

In the 80s, my doctor thought it was psychological, I insisted on a second opinion, I had the tests, and the specialist said "you had a virus". "Which one?" says I. "We don't know".

Thanks - but that is what I told the bloody doctor in the first place.
3 years later I saw a TV prog and my evidence fitted about ½ of all symptoms. In a syndrome you don't get them all.

My solution at the time was to fight it, eg run up stairs and get the pain at the top, not on each step. Apparently fighting psychologically is deemed a good methodology. But how fit would I be now without that burden? Who knows, you habituate to the new norm, like a poorer short term memory. It is what it is.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 20 - 02:47 PM

Cytokine Storm

How an immune system has evolved, developed, how efficient, super efficient or lacking all play a role in the response to Covod 19. It is not surprising that various immune reponses act differently.

Sorry that merely understanding this does not help.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 May 20 - 02:40 AM

Covid toes
it can present with skin problems, a bit like chilblains I have heard.

We have seen almost a hive-like rash ............ It’s hard for us to know if this is a viral manifestation or an immune response

- Right Oh, right toe.






I'll get my surgical gown.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 20 - 04:52 PM

More than four months of clinical experience across Asia, Europe and North America has shown the pathogen does much more than invade the lungs. “No one was expecting a disease that would not fit the pattern of pneumonia and respiratory illness,” said David Reich, a cardiac anesthesiologist and president of Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City.

It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm. It savages kidneys so badly some hospitals have run short of dialysis equipment. It crawls along the nervous system, destroying taste and smell and occasionally reaching the brain. It creates blood clots that can kill with sudden efficiency and inflames blood vessels throughout the body.

Talk about a moving target.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 May 20 - 04:35 PM

New symptomogies here.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 20 - 02:41 PM

Shanghai opens Disneyland singing "its a microscopic world afterall"

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 May 20 - 12:50 PM

An NHS worker we know, when asked - if the NHS Nightingale hospitals are empty, why are Covid 19 patients in our private hospitals, replied that maybe because it limits the travel of the virus. If people isolated as locally as possible, maybe it contains the virus to the area that they are in. Rather than taking the virus to another area where the virus already is too, and making the virus stronger there.

A lot of sense in that.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 20 - 01:50 PM

Sounds like hydronium could also make a wet battery heavier than lithium. I'm spitballing like Trump.

Most water will have some hydronium in it

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 May 20 - 10:16 AM

Tygrus on LinkedIn

About Us
Tygrus is a platform technology company that has innovative, proprietary chemistries and systems for use across a wide range of industries from water and industrial waste stream remediation to industrial cleaning solutions and food processing.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:48 AM

Anyone heard of Hydronium ? H₃ O+

I was listening to a Youtube video about Lithium Ion batteries and the guy who developed GM's batteries until 7 years ago when he went to china to develop Lithium Ion for CATL. A big fish in battery technology who also majored in biology as a student.

The subject came up about Tygrus (Troy, Michigan) who had an improved method of obtaining it. No mention of volumes or cost.

But what was said is that it is benign to Eukaryotes (anything built from cells with a cell wall - like us) and kills 99.999% of viruses, in one minute (he pointed out kill was a misnomer but you get the idea). What was not said was its effect on bacteria (non eukaryotic), which I would compare to penicillin in that if it kills so many bacteria there are side-effects, like the shits.

My point here is: "is this the disinfectant that Twitler referred to?". Him being limited on any subject that doesn't include him.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:45 AM

Siegfried lost Roy

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:18 AM

The US relies on China for 90% of antibiotics.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china

When it comes to Heparin
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-110hhrg53183/html/CHRG-110hhrg53183.htm

The US will not join or speak to the 8 Billion Euro vaccine quest.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 20 - 05:16 AM

That's all true except for the fact that we're not allowed to visit. I used to see my mum four times a week. I haven't seen her now for two months. The other hazards you mention are very difficult to reduce.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 May 20 - 03:48 AM

Wise thoughts concerning care homes:

"With and without irregularities what did they expect to happen to the geriatrics? Attendees can't keep social distance if they have to wash them, feed them, move them, changing sheets, medicating...
Doctors and employees don't live there... they have to move, they are potential virus carriers.

Just like us if we go visiting "unnecessarily"

And we can also infect being asymptomatic!"

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 May 20 - 06:46 PM

There is no "world supply" of blood thinners. Go chew some willow bark, or eat a lot of garlic, or befriend an organic chemist...

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 20 - 05:08 PM

The realistic number of those infected in the US is somewhere between a minimum of 10 million and a maximum of unknown.

The stated infected numbers are arrant nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 20 - 04:54 PM

Guess who makes the world supply of blood thinners?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 May 20 - 01:39 PM

Seriously.

Also this:

Apparently blood thinners help, not with preventing it but with surviving it: blicky

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 20 - 05:07 PM

Latest lunacy from a USAian - a federal judge in the US has ordered Massachusetts authorities to allow gun shops to reopen, suggesting a rule to close them during the coronavirus crisis imposed an “improper burden” on the constitutional rights of citizens.

Gun shops were closed in March along with other businesses deemed non-essential.

However, some purchasers, retailers and gun rights groups sued, arguing it was an unconstitutional ban on acquiring firearms and ammunition for self-defence purposes.

US district judge Douglas Woodlock said he would direct the state to allow gun shops to reopen on Saturday with social distancing measures.

Absolute bollocks

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 May 20 - 11:20 AM

Argh. My uncle is dying of old age and his old folks' home won't even let his children come say goodbye, let alone meeeeeeeee.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 06 May 20 - 02:27 PM

" Live And Let Die."

You can't make this shit up.

HEIL TRUMP!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 20 - 12:37 PM

Fatsos beware.

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 20 - 11:27 AM

The twins and sibs cited in this article lived together in the same environment and had underlying health risks.

“These deaths alert people to the fact that this could be genetic, but when people live together they share an environment as well,” Spector said. The upshot is that twins who live together are more likely to have similar lifestyles and behaviours, from diet and exercise habits to how quickly they seek medical care. Twins are not generally less healthy than the wider population. . . . “When twins or siblings tragically die with Covid-19 that captures our attention, but that doesn’t mean there’s any particular reason to think twins or siblings are at greater risk.”

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 May 20 - 09:57 AM

It's not news yet but interesting research is being done on twins and siblings, seems symptomology roughly 50% genetics so far...

Blicky

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 May 20 - 09:44 AM

Children have been being misdiagnosed, rather than not getting it, as it seems to present differently:

Blicky

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 20 - 08:30 AM

I heard it will magically disappear in April
Is it April yet?

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 05 May 20 - 08:23 AM

Trump's push to prematurely open up could be deadly:

NYTimes

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 20 - 06:21 AM

47D11 go team go

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 May 20 - 06:16 PM

Also this, which I find encouraging:

Hey I can do blickies again!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 20 - 12:10 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/happy-hypoxia-unusual-coronavirus-effect-baffles-doctors

good catch Mrrzy

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 20 - 12:08 PM

The coming pandemic -Austrailian documentary version
Is highly informative!

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 May 20 - 09:14 AM

Happy (silent) hypoxia

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/happy-hypoxia-unusual-coronavirus-effect-baffles-doctors

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 20 - 09:09 AM

Kids being potty trained are virtually immune to Covid 19 so Trump suggested older people could shit their pants for similar results :^/

Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 May 20 - 08:27 AM

Ah, thanks. Like POC.