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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Stilly River Sage 11 Jan 22 - 11:51 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 22 - 11:48 AM
Stilly River Sage 11 Jan 22 - 11:39 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 22 - 11:16 AM
Donuel 11 Jan 22 - 05:12 AM
Mrrzy 10 Jan 22 - 09:12 PM
Donuel 10 Jan 22 - 08:57 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Jan 22 - 07:27 PM
Donuel 10 Jan 22 - 03:45 PM
Allan Conn 10 Jan 22 - 11:19 AM
Donuel 10 Jan 22 - 05:58 AM
Nigel Parsons 09 Jan 22 - 01:05 PM
Backwoodsman 09 Jan 22 - 07:09 AM
Allan Conn 09 Jan 22 - 04:58 AM
keberoxu 08 Jan 22 - 09:19 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:51 AM

I didn't write that, but Don lives in a completely different marketplace than I do, and I shopped around the find acceptable tests that don't cost as much. And my insurance is different than his.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:48 AM

"The quick test here is $25 and the pcr is $100."

I'll take YOUR word for it, Maggie! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:39 AM

That would have cost just under $20, at about $10 a pop.

Today it was announced that the Biden administration will require insurance companies to pay for (going forward) or reimburse customers the cost of up to 8 tests per person per month. I'm not sure where this leaves people with no insurance. I think those will be the free ones sent upon request, but there is still a test shortage, so they're not there yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:16 AM

I woke up with a headache and a sniffly nose this morning. I read in the Guardian of a woman with the same symptoms who was amazed when she tested herself positive. I've just done another test, so two days in a row, and I'm negative. I don't have to recall Mrs Steve from her visit to her 75-year-old friend. So that would have cost me $50 in the US? That doesn't strike me as the way forward...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 05:12 AM

Starting Saturday insurance companies will have to cover the cost of up to 32 covid tests per month.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 09:12 PM

Don't mind these booster shots, myself. It's not like they hurt.

As I went through my teens gamma globulin shots were every 2 years, then every year, then every 6 months, then every 4 months, and they hurt like billyO.


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Subject: RE: BS: New ideas about the pandemic COVIDICRON
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 08:57 PM

For what amounts to an endemic disease like flu that has always been with us, we may soon not be as strict with mitigation efforts and not be as persuaded by emergency efforts to save the public at all costs anymore. Lockdowns forever doesn't seem realistic. Vaccinating the stupid seems to be a failure and may lead to more Darwin awards.
Quarantine time has been reduced by half and booster shots maybe be as frequent as every 3 to 6 months. Scientists are not sure about many factors but one thing they agree upon is that covid is here to stay.

Deltafluicron is a challenge for the best immune systems.


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… The more I read the papers
The less I comprehend
The world with all it's capers
And how it all will end
… Nothing seems to be lasting
But that isn't our affair
We've got something permanent
I mean in the way we care
… It's very clear
Covid is here to stay
Not for a year
But ever and a day
The radio and the telephone
And the movies that we knew
May just be passing fancies
And in time the flu
… But, oh my dear,
Covid is here to stay
Together we're going a long, long way
… In time the Rockies may crumble
Gibraltar may tumble
They're only made of clay
But Covid is here to stay
It's very clear
Our love is here to stay
… Not for a year
But ever and a day
The radio and the telephone
And the movies that we knew
May just be passing fancies
And in time the flu
… But, oh my dear
Covid is here to stay
Together we're going a long, long way
… In time the Rockies may crumble
Gibraltar may tumble
They're only made of clay
But Covid is here to stay


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 07:27 PM

You now have to download a "collection code" in order to pick up the test kits from any pharmacy. Each box now contains 20 lateral flow (rapid) test kits and we're allowed one box per household. Still free of charge. We're recommended to test ourselves at home two or three times a week. Every day for a week if we think we've been in contact with an infected person.

There's beginning to be a general feeling of cautious optimism here. The infection rate is high but flatlining and hospital admissions haven't rocketed. The vast majority of hospital admissions are unvaccinated people. Staff absences in hospitals, schools and the care sector are still a huge worry. Many people who are ready to leave hospital can't be discharged because the care sector can't look after them. The general recognition is that omicron is mild and is now passing its worst peak, and that further restrictions won't be necessary. Negative again for me this morning. I'm permanently a bit chesty but I don't worry about things any more. The jabs and the testing are doing the job. I have to wear a mask even when I know I'm no threat to anybody. Bloody annoying is that, but hey ho.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 03:45 PM

The quick test here is $25 and the pcr is $100.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Allan Conn
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 11:19 AM

Those were my words Nigel just from memory. The article I read being that the suggesion was you would only qualify for a 'free test' if you were symptomatic or in care home settings etc. Yes in the case of symptomatic that would be a PCR anyway. The point it was suggesting - was that the ending of free lateral flow tests would save a huge amount of money. It may well have been an unsubstantiated rumour - or them testing the water - or simply it came up in their discussions and wasn't seriously considered. Who knows? It was relevant to the discussion though.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 22 - 05:58 AM

A combination of a varient of delta and omicron in Cyprus seems inevitable. They reported 25 cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jan 22 - 01:05 PM

Allan: Steve there are reports this evening that Boris may be axing free lateral flow tests within weeks. Restricting it to care home settings etc and symptomatic people. The idea has been criticised by both the Scottish First Minister and the Labour opposition at Westminster.

I'm not surprised that the government are denying it. Only surprised that they bother to react to 'rumour'. The fact that The Times have followed up on the rumour does not elevate its status.

Even as worded above free lateral flow tests within weeks. Restricting it to care home settings etc and symptomatic people suggests it is a rumour started by someone who hasn't understood the science. Restricting it to (care home settings and) people who are symptomatic would be a little silly as the NHS tells us:
There are different tests you can get to check if you have coronavirus (COVID-19). The test you need depends on why you're getting tested.

The 2 main tests are:

PCR tests – mainly for people with symptoms, they're sent to a lab to be checked
rapid lateral flow tests – only for people who do not have symptoms, they give a quick result using a device similar to a pregnancy test


From the NHS website Here


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 22 - 07:09 AM

It seems to be their practice to ‘test the water’ over possibly unpopular policies by ‘leaking’ them via their tame press-mouthpieces, then deny them if they get an adverse reaction. Kind of like an undercover about-turn mechanism.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Allan Conn
Date: 09 Jan 22 - 04:58 AM

Sounds like the gvt are denying now the story in the Times re the ending of free lateral flow tests.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 09:19 PM

The "Bristol County" referenced in this network news (NBC) story is
Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA, to be accurate.

A Twitter account shows the television clips.
If you dislike a thread full of comments
that are sarcastic, incredulous, negative, and so on,
then do NOT read the comments that follow on this story.

January 5, 2022: COVID[-19] K9


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Allan Conn
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 06:54 PM

Steve there are reports this evening that Boris may be axing free lateral flow tests within weeks. Restricting it to care home settings etc and symptomatic people. The idea has been criticised by both the Scottish First Minister and the Labour opposition at Westminster.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 06:36 PM

Just drop it, why don't you.

I don't know why our tests are free, but they are, and they come in boxes of seven. Until a couple of weeks before Christmas they were being given away like sweeties, then the public enthusiasm for them (blame omicron for that) nobbled the supplies. Temporarily, I hope... We're always on the alert as to whether the government will start charging for them, but I don't think that will happen in the foreseeable future.

Those lateral flow tests are so important.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 06:22 PM

I actually did agree that you weren't hoarding, Steve! That is why I switched my verb to Stashing.
My opinion of *hoarding* remained, and remains, unchanged.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 06:11 PM

I know. And that's about $10 a pop to buy those.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 05:19 PM

Wow. That is nowhere near the required number of tests.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 04:12 PM

I have two boxes (two tests each) on order that will arrive via Amazon sometime in the next 10 days. They've slowed down to a crawl on many deliveries lately. It doesn't help that a warehouse was scoured off of the ground in Kentucky, but that businesses selling these tests and many other products have backorders they're still trying to fill.

If the federal government gets involved, one hopes that it includes FEMA personnel or National Guard soldiers operating drive-through pickup spots for those who can get out and pick up tests on their own; the rest will have to be delivered or sent via post. Once the FEMA folks were helping with the vaccination stations in 2021 it began to run more smoothly.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 03:53 PM

I haven't ordered any online since November. I'm sorry to hear that. I've got mine from the local Boots, another Bude pharmacy and a pop-up vaccination centre in Holsworthy. I didn't know that the supply problem has persisted.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 03:42 PM

Yes, I've just tried and got the same response:
"Sorry, there are no home delivery slots left for rapid lateral flow tests right now"
The system doesn't allow you to set an order for when they become available. Clearly a "Fail"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 03:16 PM

Anyone here can order the test kits online from the government department responsible.

I've tried several times over the past couple of weeks without success.

Sometimes, like today, right at the start, I get: "Sorry, there are no home delivery slots left for rapid lateral flow tests right now". Other times I have got as far as entering my address before getting told there are no kits available for delivery (in my area?).

I've only got further than that once. That time the system claimed to have sent me a validation email but I didn't receive one. I tried the last step even using different email addresses to try to get an email but nothing came to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 02:56 PM

"It makes sense to have more than just a few tests available"

Absolutely. Responsible people testing themselves, and behaving appropriately according to the results, is at least half the battle in defeating this thing. If you haven't got the test kits, you could be blissfully unaware that you're out and about spreading the virus. Mrs Steve and I use two tests each per week, as per government advice, and extra whenever we visit anyone (not just the elderly). I'm beginning to hope that anyone visiting us would do likewise, though we're not going to insist just yet. Of course, Christmas time is a bit of an anomaly visits-wise, but that will be our regime from now on. Most of the boxes I've got were garnered well before Christmas and we hadn't picked up any more for weeks until Mrs Steve picked up another couple of boxes yesterday. The ready availability of tests here adds to the ethos of responsibility and carefulness.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 11:46 AM

Back to the subject at hand - in the US we are waiting for the day that some federal agency is supposed to make free home rapid tests available upon request. It's supposed to happen in early 2022. Not a peep so far, however.

It makes sense to have more than just a few tests available, Case in point: an elderly friend who got lucky and didn't catch COVID from the daughter she was staying with last month (who tested positive during the visit) is coming back for more. She texted this morning that the much-awaited great grandson has arrived and she will be in town for two weeks, with a different daughter. The grandson and g-daughter-in-law who had the baby are Trump supporters who haven't been vaccinated. If my friend wants to visit with me, and if she wants to visit with that family with the newborn, she should have a bag full of rapid tests to deploy each day to be sure she hasn't caught and/or isn't spreading COVID. That's 14 tests right there.

I haven't decided yet if we'll have a visit other than an out-of-doors conversation someplace. It is winter in Texas meaning there might be a few warmer days during her stay, so we could eat a meal out-of-doors. But in my house? I'm not inclined to set up that visit.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 11:42 AM

Not you, gilly!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 11:41 AM

Just bloody move on, the pair of you, and quit the obsessive stalking. You're boring.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 11:25 AM

To have a different point of view than yours is not an attack.
But then again you are perfectly free to have your own point of view.

Everyone can Debate
its all give and take
Shared ideas can be fun
So don't argue with a gun


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1.
give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view.
"“It stands to reason,” she argued"
What are your reasons?
"Let me site EVIDENCE..."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 11:23 AM

I don't see how NoJoke plays in the tournament even if his exemption is accepted. He got shot down at customs due to public outrage and I don't think those folks would allow him on a Melbourne court after all they've been through. He's just reaping what he's sown.

Some good points about Rocket Rod and it's also worth mentioning that he still holds the record for singles titles and is the only player, male or female, who won all four grand slam events in a calendar year. In fact, he did it twice, both as an amateur and a pro.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 11:11 AM

I was misled by something I read in a newspaper into thinking that Djokovic had had coronavirus "months ago." It wasn't - it was in mid-December. Dunno whether that makes a difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 10:45 AM

That's your problem. My actions were completely honest and my conscience is completely clear and, just for your benefit, I've explained myself as straightforwardly as possible. So do yourself a favour and find someone else to attack for absolutely no good reason whatsoever.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 10:06 AM

I see that you have what you think are good reasons to be stashing, rather than hoarding, tests, Steve Shaw, but my opinion remains as stated.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Allan Conn
Date: 08 Jan 22 - 04:00 AM

I think we have seen three of the all time greatest male tennis players all playing at the same time in Federer, Nadal and Djokovic - which was a bit of a bummer for Andy Murray I suppose. Doesn't mean Djokovic should be given any special treatment by the Aussies though and if he has not the correct certification then he should be out - and I see they are now also looking at other players too. Re Rod Laver yes I think he'd be up comparable with those three. Some folks would only count majors won and he is way below them all on that but he lost about 5 years of playing in Grand Slam tournaments in what would have been his peak years because of being banned because of his professional status. That is a possible 20 Grand Slams where he was not allowed to add to his eventual tally of 11 wins.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 08:33 PM

It's a bit long-winded, but it echoes what I've been saying about testing. From the Guardian:

The rise of lateral flow tests: are these ‘heroes’ of the pandemic here to stay?

I hope they are!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 06:10 PM

Now, now, Bonzo, do apprise yourself of the art of euphemism. What you really meant was "moistening their gussets." Do get it right! Anyway, I won't deny that he's a good player of the game, though I must confess that the only tennis match I watched end-to-end in years was the US Open final between Emma Raducanu and Leyla Fernandez. That was great stuff. I think the men's game has been ruined by the ultra-powerful high-tech modern rackets leading to a predominantly base-line game. When I was a mere stripling and tennis was free to air, Rod Laver was my hero. Those were the days!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 03:39 PM

"He's been mentioned briefly. "No-vacc" Djokovic doesn't believe in vaccination and has tried to use the fact that he had the virus months ago to get an exemption. He also believes that you can purify dirty water via spiritual means. Maybe they should make him drink the water from the toilet in his hotel room. Oh, how the mighty has fallen!"

The man who likes to play bat and ball for lots of money is an arrogant git, and I shall laugh if he is deported back to Serbia!!! It will certainly save a lot of Australian women wetting their knickers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 02:21 PM

Our Supream Court heard arguments today regarding Biden's emergency vaccine mandate. Since FDR this nation is one of regulations via federal agencies. If the Conservative Court pulls back from Federal agency regulations and throws it back to the States, chaos among all regulations could arise. Mandate deniers know not of what they propose.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 01:12 PM

"... has anyone mentioned Novak Djokovic the Serbian tennis player?"

He's been mentioned briefly. "No-vacc" Djokovic doesn't believe in vaccination and has tried to use the fact that he had the virus months ago to get an exemption. He also believes that you can purify dirty water via spiritual means. Maybe they should make him drink the water from the toilet in his hotel room. Oh, how the mighty has fallen!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 12:57 PM

Anyone here can order the test kits online from the government department responsible. They come in boxes of seven tests, they mail you two boxes at a time and they are free. You can also pick them up without fuss from most pharmacies (if they have them), also free and in boxes of seven. I've picked up several boxes from a pop-up testing tent too. There's been little or no rationing that I'm aware of. There has been a rush on them, starting just before Christmas when the omicron surge was underway (in which, as I've explained, I didn't have to participate), resulting in temporary supply issues. As I'm not up for hoarding, I don't know what the present situation is. I live in a remote rural area with few pharmacies per town/village, so we do need to ensure we don't run out. This pandemic will be defeated by infected people staying home, which means unfettered access to the lateral flow test kits, and by getting everyone vaccinated. Everything else is marginal, relative to those two things.

If you feel slightly under the weather but don't have test kits, you'll go out and about just as you would with a cold, and you'll infect people. If you have test kits, you'll use them (which is why you got them in the first place), and a positive result will persuade you to stay home for the requisite number of days. Nothing's perfect, of course. That's the way forward. And getting jabbed. If that's the way we all work, we'll have a good summer this year and, with a bit of luck, a more normal winter next back end. No shit, Sherlock.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 12:53 PM

Double masking minimizes my glasses fogging up but remebering to put soap on my glasses works best.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 12:08 PM

At any given time a snapshot will show imbalances. This is one of those times. (I have lots of masks here - because I haven't distributed them for a while - I made these three-layer flannel-based cloth masks last year.) I gave my box of two rapid tests to my ex who has had allergies and sinus stuffiness that he refuses to treat with one-a-day medications ("I don't like long-lasting pills.") So I told him that he needs to be able to test himself if he isn't going to treat the allergies and clear up those symptoms. I had another box on order but it's taking Amazon weeks to deliver it. It's looking like another 10 days before the first of two boxes I ordered arrives.

I see my masks pop up all over town, I've given away hundreds of them. (I've mailed quite a few to Mudcatters also!) They are two layers of a tight-weave cotton over a third flannel center (determined to be one of the best filter fabrics for these masks). They are fitted and have ties that can go around the ears or around the back of the head (my preference, much more comfortable) and a lower loop that goes around the neck (no dropping these). I've told friends and family with these that they might want to double mask for a while, wearing a surgical mask under the cloth.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 12:06 PM

Luckily, husband's LFT tests are provided by the school where he works as a cleaner, as are the masks, visors and rubber gloves etc.
I haven't been reading all the posts on here, but has anyone mentioned Novak Djokovic the Serbian tennis player? He's still in quarantine in Australia, apparently he hasn't been vaccinated and stated 'medical exemption' for which he has no evidence.
I think he will be deported from Australia, and miss the opportunity to play in the Open matches.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 11:49 AM

Yes, Nigel, that's a good argument too. In the long run, though, persuading people that vaccination is a good thing and that the Facebook idiots are just that, idiots, seems like a more harmonious way forward, in the first instance at least. And I do think that all hospital and care workers should be vaccinated.

As for you, Mrrzy, I didn't say how many tests I have. In fact, it's enough to test both of us about twenty more times. The nature of our circumstances, which I won't regale you with, dictates that we need to test ourselves a lot because of frequent visits, some as volunteers, to elderly and vulnerable people. We obtained the tests well before there was any suspicion of an impending shortage, so there was no deliberate hoarding going on. I'd like to suggest that you keep your criticisms to yourself until you're apprised of the full circumstances. You could have asked, and I would have told you. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 11:28 AM

I'm not suggesting 'enforced vaccination' for anyone. But there are certain jobs for which it should, quite reasonably, be a requirement.

I somehow doubt that it would result in the sacking of thousands of doctors and nurses. If the government made it mandatory for those professions it would probably persuade many to take the step which, ideally, they should have already taken to protect themselves and their patients.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 11:16 AM

Stashing tests is immoral in a pandemic imho. Sorry, but there it is. I wouldn't brag, or call it wise. I call that selfish. My opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 09:50 AM

Sound arguments, Nigel, but suppose we sacked thousands of doctors and nurses for being unjabbed. I think the damage done in that way by exacerbating the staffing crisis would outdo any damage caused by their staying at work. Sometimes it's a toss-up between morals (if you think that enforced vaccination is moral - not for me, thanks) and pragmatism. I always come back to the argument for persuasion, made as high-pressure as you like. And let's not forget that frequent testing of unvaccinated staff is far more possible these days. I still think that unvaccinated people are wrong-headed, but, looking at it long-term, talking them round is the proper solution.

I don't like masks but I'm fully jabbed up and I have a big stash of test kits (wise virgins accumulated supplies well before the panicky pre-Christmas rush). I'm testing twice a week and doing additional tests when I visit anyone's house. Were I to test positive I'd look up the isolation advice and follow it, and tell anyone who I might have infected. As for telling the authorities, they can go to hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 09:32 AM

But Steve: Having strict border controls apropos of vaccination isn't the same as mandates inside countries. It's more like a pub saying that you can't come in 'ere, mate, unless you're jabbed... Send him home!

If the pub can refuse service to the unjabbed, why not hospitals? (and No, I'm not advocating turning away the unjabbed)
If the pub can refuse the unjabbed, can they justify using unjabbed staff? Again, if not, why not the same for hospitals?

Nurses and doctors can have much closer contact with their 'customers' than bar staff do. I would support the idea that being vaccinated be made a prerequisite for working as a health provider.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 07:19 AM

Aaaaahh, No-vacc Djockstrap! Can’t stand the arrogant twat.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 22 - 07:15 AM

Just as pro-vaccine and anti-mandate are entirely separate issues, independent of each other, so are anti-vaccine and anti-mask (as you put it). It's not fair to conflate the two (I'm not saying that's what you intended). If you're anti-vaccine you're probably not jabbed and, as such, represent a big danger to society and to yourself. I'm "anti-mask" only in the sense that I think masks do more harm than good, but I'm not anti-mask in the sense that I wish to be militant about it, making people near me in shops, etc., feel vulnerable or unsafe, and I've always said that it's good luck to you if you want to shove a mask on. If you saw me out and about you would never suspect that I'm "anti-mask." I admire your strong-mindedness, but not everyone is like you, and it's clear that millions of people have been adversely influenced by dangerous nonsense peddled on social media, just as they were by things written on the side of a bus. I'm very pleased to see confounded idiots/believers in magic such as Novak getting it in the neck. Having strict border controls apropos of vaccination isn't the same as mandates inside countries. It's more like a pub saying that you can't come in 'ere, mate, unless you're jabbed... Send him home!


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