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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Donuel 30 Oct 20 - 07:47 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 07:47 PM

Just a reminder that we all are in what is considered to be the first wave. Some confuse peaks with waves. Fauci says normalcy is 1 to two years away. National response is key.
With Trump denial the death toll in America is headed to 1 million. Biden could change half of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 05:34 PM

The hospital beds are filling and the numbers are climbing steeply. Trump couldn't care less and if he loses the race, is not going to lift a finger to help people before he's out of office; that will be the time he races to enrich himself.

This is old news, that we have an awful president and he is behaving more badly with each passing day. But it bears repeating - and to serve as a reminder that everyone needs to vote. Don't sit home, thinking someone else will do it. Step up and be counted.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 06:27 PM

I don't see why it is not that simple. You're in Wales, do Wales. You aren't in England, don't do England. Easypeasy.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Oct 20 - 11:38 AM

We've moved on a little from this:
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Oct 20
Wherever you go, be bound by the rules of where you are. Seems obvious.


But it's not quite that simple. Wales is in lockdown (officially "Fire-break") but non-essential travel is not permitted. So I can't go to England to be covered by rules existing in a lower tier. (Unless it's for work, or essential health reasons)

It would seem to be "You are covered by both the rules of where you are from, and where you're going, so work on it being the more restrictive of the two". But even this isn't necessarily accurate.

The governments (plural) and local authorities do not make it sufficiently clear to be able to identify what the rules are, and whether people are breaking them.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Lost Chicken in High Weeds
Date: 26 Oct 20 - 11:16 AM

>we might not be able to weather a depression in our time. The last one was weathered by people who were born in the nineteenth century and had seen depression before. The country was largely rural, the supply chains were more localized

This is exactly the point I've been making for decades. I've tried in vain to inform people that the Great Depression should be a major wakeup call for today, you *cannot depend* on "the system" for much of anything, much less *everything*.

And now the COVID-19 ordeal has proven that out in a very relatively *light* way. I mean, we were panicking over toilet paper, hand gel, alcohol, paper towels, stuff like that, and it even got tough to get certain food items for a while, people were going nuts but this whole thing was pretty danged mild compared to the potentials.

"The system" has now become incredibly complex, and with greater complexity comes more potential points of failure. It's now a *global* system, which also means that that failure can come from *anywhere*, triggering a domino effect. So, at some point, something or another is going to trigger collapse, it's just inevitable, there are so many potential causes that one or more of them is bound to happen.

Now, getting back to your point that I quoted, not only were supply chains more localized, but in fact most, here in the rural areas at least, were self sufficient to a significant degree. Essentially *everyone* had their own gardens at the very least, and usually some chickens, a milk cow, often some hogs, a mule, etc. My Dad's family were poor country folk and had those things. The only things needed to be bought were staples like flour, salt, sugar, etc.

These days, essentially "everyone" is entirely dependent on store bought goods for *everything*, and lacks the knowledge to take care of themselves without that availability. Couple that with the sheer population growth since the Depression...the more people there are that are suddenly without, the more desperation and chaos there will be. And also consider the fact that...*people are meat*.

No matter what ever happens with presidents, nothing will stop any of this because the population will never again agree to do what it would take to repair the overall situation. People have no interest in making sacrifices, or willfully altering lifestyle to any significant degree. We won't be seeing the majority reverting to the needed levels of self sufficiency until the situation forces it on those who survive the aftermath.

A hard rain's a-gonna fall, it's just a matter of when, and what the specific initial trigger will wind up being. If it's not some sort of market issue, it'll be a worse pandemic or environmental catastrophe, and the very few who are in any way "prepared" will quickly be overwhelmed and depleted by the masses who are far, far from it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Oct 20 - 10:41 AM

heard on the wireless this morning. If people pay Boots £120 each time, people can get a covid test to make sure that they are not risking passing on covid at work or at other places, if they are an asymptomatic carrier.

Surely £5,440 a year is a small price to pay or making sure that our communities are safe. A paltry 40% of weekly salary for those on minimum wage. (irony).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 04:25 PM

This pandemic would be a trial under any president. I fear it’s more of a trial under no president. No one is truly presiding over our government at this time. We don’t have a Roosevelt fighting off fear itself, we don’t have an LBJ with a flashlight under his chin promising help to New Orleans after a Hurricane, We don’t have Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter in hazmat suits walking through Three Mile Island to show their faith in the scientists that saved the east coast. We don’t even have George W. Bush, who after cowering in the rabbit hole on 9/11, pulled himself together, crawled up out of the ground, went to ground zero and did his level best to do the job of being president, being there for us.

All we have is a real estate pirate, trying to save his businesses and his political future.

    Trump says this country wasn’t built to be shut down, as if any modern country was built for such. There is open talk of having to balance dollars against deaths.It’s true, we might not be able to weather a depression in our time. The last one was weathered by people who were born in the nineteenth century and had seen depression before. The country was largely rural, the supply chains were more localized. But are we to just give up and let people die so their grandkids can waterski?

"I must ask you Mr. Trump. Can our economy and your political ambitions absorb two million dead Americans? Do the math, for once, and ask yourself, “How many people do two million people know?” Two million dead, will leave a lot of living who will remember.

?And to you, Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, I must ask, what if the virus takes one or more of your grandchildren rather than yourself? A virus can mutate quickly. The U.S. has seen quite a bit of coronavirus infections in young adults. Children have died from the virus. You don't get to tell the virus whom to kill. Would you risk burying one of your grandchildren to keep from being called a socialist? I will humbly await your answer, sir."

- James McMurtry

How true!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 04:20 PM

When the news IS the news, as when the Illinois Public Health Director broke down during her announcement of COVID deaths.

Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Illinois’ Public Health Director, on Friday first started sniffing loudly as she announced an extra 31 deaths, taking the state-wide total to 9,418 people who had succumbed to the pandemic.

“These are people who started with us in 2020 and won’t be with us at the Thanksgiving table,” Ezike said, struggling to also announce an extra 3,874 confirmed cases for a total of 36,433.

“Excuse me, please,” she finally said — wiping tears from her eyes as she turned her back to the camera during the live-streamed briefing.

She paused for almost 40 seconds as others brought out tissues to help her compose herself, finally turning back around, saying “I’m sorry” and taking a deep breath before continuing her remarks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 20 - 12:16 PM

My fave stat is <5% world population but >20% cases and deaths.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 20 - 08:04 PM

It seems people in the US don't see the death rate clearly. To make the number more real I realized by March we will be at the one year mark for those who lost the Covid battle. The conservative number of dead will amount to more than 10 times the annual automobile death rate.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Oct 20 - 06:05 PM

Thank you Charlie and Mrrzy. It's heartening isn't it? She's been so brave and positive, she's quite a tough lady!
I see our region (Breckland in Norfolk) has some more cases, and the originally low level has gone up a bit. I think it's in a small way due to the return of schools. I can't see any way out of this, unless an excellent vaccine becomes available soon.
Oxford laboratories have perfected an extremely good one, and it's starting tests now. All fingers (and toes!) crossed!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 20 - 04:52 PM

Ooh *good* news, Sen!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: fat B****rd
Date: 23 Oct 20 - 03:58 PM

Good to hear, Eliza
Sending best thoughts and regards as usual
Charlie x


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Oct 20 - 02:45 PM

Some good news about my sister, who got Covid back in March and was left with Covid lungs. She has seemed a little better these last few days, and has been going for walks, gardening and cleaning her house.
She feels quite a bit of hope now that she may end up less wrecked than we thought. She does use her oxygen machine at night though, if her O2 levels drop too much.
I feel so chuffed about this. Fingers crossed that it continues!
Stay safe everybody, and don't take silly risks!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 05:17 PM

Wherever you go, be bound by the rules of where you are. Seems obvious.

Meanwhile mouthwash apparently helps. Also seems obvious.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 05:52 AM

I look up to Tier 1 because there are no dragons there. I look down on Tier 3 - they know their place!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Oct 20 - 09:49 AM

Overall the pandemic has effected my family little. There are 25 million new jobless Americans and 6% more people who have fallen beneath the poverty line. We have no Covid assistance bill or a national response other than individual govenors taking less efficient charge.

The next coming pandemic/war will not be as comfortable or communicative as Covid 19. It will be of a cyber attack variety.
The US and Isreal started it with malware code like Olympic games, stuxnet and Zeus. We infected Iran. Now it has spread globally.
As in all war the credo is "do whatever you can get away with".
Instead of a pandemic where mostly old overweight people are killed the victims will be electric plants nuke plants, banks, hospitals and the internet.

So cheer up, it could be worse :^/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 15 Oct 20 - 08:50 AM

The government advice on this is vague beyond belief. If you travel from a tier 2 to a tier 1 area are you bound by the rules of the original area or the new one?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Oct 20 - 07:43 AM

So London, where our son, daughter-in-law and only grandchild live, has been put in Tier Two. My missus has her 70th birthday next weekend. Our plans for even a limited get-together in our house have been shattered. They can't stay in our house and we couldn't meet them anywhere indoors. But anyone from London can come to Cornwall and stay in their second home, or come in their motor home, or stay in a hotel, and they can go to pubs and restaurants. To say that there's something wrong here would be a massive understatement. It looks like Christmas won't happen for us either. I hear that the track and trace system here is managing to contact less than two-thirds of people exposed to infection, whereas the science says that the system can't work unless at least 80% of contacts are traced.

By the way, flu vaccine has run out round here. We have two very vulnerable, elderly friends who can't get it for at least two more weeks.

But this bloody shower will get away with all this, won't they?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Oct 20 - 03:02 AM

In the UK we always knew it would end in tiers!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 02:46 PM

Oh and blood groups are back in the mix. A may not be more vulnerable, but O is, apparently, less so. Feel free to google your own references.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 09:56 AM

Latest casualty of the pandemic: sedation at the dentist. Mine just called to say they can't do sedation as they can't clean the apparatus. So no dentist as no way without sedation but also what? What have they been doing till now? Blowing other people's snot up my nose?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 20 - 09:01 PM

Nearly 10,000 minks die after Covid-19 outbreak at Utah fur farms

"Like humans with Covid-19, the most common symptom for infected minks has been respiratory distress, he said.

“Minks show open mouth breathing, discharge from their eyes and nose, and are not sick for several days before they pass away,” Taylor said. “They typically die within the next day.”

Taylor added that the virus has predominantly targeted older minks, “wiping out 50 percent of the breeding colonies,” while leaving the younger ones unscathed."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 11:48 AM

As much as it can be believed these days with the political meddling, the CDC has made the pronouncement that SARS-CoV-2 is spread primarily through the air. At least that was the announcement until the politicians start playing with their message again.


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Subject: RE: BS: PHE [uk]shambolic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 05:48 AM

The "[uk]" is both superfluous, and incorrect.
PHE is "Public Health England" so excludes much of "UK".


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Subject: BS: PHE [uk]shambolic
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 03:32 AM

Another example of Conservative shambolism
Coronavirus cases 'lost' in test and trace blunder

Ten-day delay means thousands exposed to virus were not told to self-isolate


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 11:23 AM

Listening to the new-told lies / With supreme visions of lonelitude


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Subject: BS: china and covid update
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 05:23 AM

here is a copy and paste of how china has virtually eliminated covid.
   In January 2020, as the epicentre of the Covid-19 pandemic, China was grappling with cases in all 29 of its regions, daily increases in the triple digits, and an impending shortage of medical supplies. To tackle that, China went quick and hard – implementing lockdowns of various degrees of rigour in cities and regions across the country, resulting in about 760 million people being subject to restrictions. Every time an area showed a spike in cases, a lockdown followed.

Fast forward to today and China is on the other side of the pandemic: after weathering 85,307 coronavirus cases, and 4,634 deaths, the country is reporting just a handful of daily cases. On September 23, China’s overall number of active coronavirus cases was 402. The UK, which is hurtling towards a potentially devastating second wave, reported 6,178 new cases.

In May 2020, Xi Chen, an associate professor of public health at the University of Yale, published a study explaining how China’s prompt and decisive reaction – including “quarantines, city lockdowns, and local public health measures” – in the face of the first outbreak of Covid-19 resulted in the avoidance of what he and his coauthors estimated to be 1.4 million infections and 56,000 deaths.

But Chen does not think that all countries should go down that path. “Every country will adopt very different measures based on several things: there are more ways to control [the virus],” he says. “Decisions should take into account elements such as the country’s culture, its social norms, whether people will accept it, and also – very importantly – whether the health infrastructure is good enough to allow more spreading.” He points out that China’s ICU beds for 100,000 people are only half the UK’s, which made more stringent lockdowns inevitable.

Cultural differences matter, too. Regardless of the fact that China is an authoritarian state able to impose restrictions at the drop of a hat, it is an inescapable truth that some cultures are more resistant to limitations than others. Chen cites a recent study explaining how people living in the US’s westernmost states tend to be more individualistic and therefore less prone to observing restrictions than their east coast counterparts. Prime minister Boris Johnson’s remark about British people’s “freedom-loving” nature was crude, but gestured at something that does have an impact.

Johnson’s remarks – an attempt to explain the UK’s less successful handling of Covid-19’s second wave compared to countries like Germany or Italy – were made as he unveiled a new series of measures to stem the virus’s spread. Among the new measures is the requirement that pubs and restaurants close by 10pm; mandatory face mask-wearing for retail workers; hiked fines for Covid-security violations; and the recommendation that workers work from home if they can.

Some rules were met with bafflement: why, for instance would pubs have to close at 10pm rather than shut their doors altogether? And why did the “rule of six” – which allows six people from different households to meet up indoors and out – remain, despite the fact that inter-household spread seems to be one of the reasons cases are climbing up?

The answer is that at this stage every decision is a compromise between what is necessary and what can be done without further pummelling a prostrate economy and fatigued population.

“We know that total lockdowns work – the question is how much restriction do we need?,” says Keith Neal, an emeritus professor in epidemiology at the University of Nottingham. He says that falling back into a full-on lockdown every time cases start growing would exact a different cost: people’s health faltering because of missed tests and operations, and a more widespread deterioration in mental health. Compliance would also likely suffer.

Which is why you don’t want to overdo it. Shutting down pubs and bars might result in people meeting in their homes – which is harder to control. The emphasis, Neal thinks, should be on pubs following the guidelines to the letter. “If pubs follow the rules: service only if you are seated, social distancing – that is all right,” he says. “And pubs that break the rules should get closed first for one day, then for a week, then for a month and so on up to a year.”

According to David Wrigley, deputy chair of the British Medical Association Council, while the 10pm threshold seems “plucked out of thin air” and the rule of six for household mixing “should be reconsidered”, the latest guidelines are at least clear on issues such as face coverings. “Adherence to the rules is the most important thing, but the rules needed to be clearer,” Wrigley says. The government’s repeated changes of tack have been often criticised for being confusing, with the “Stay Alert” slogan singled out as a pinnacle of muddiness.

Will clarity – and minor tweaks to the rules – be enough to bring case numbers back under control? Many experts argue that the government is once again doing too little, too late. But Chen does not believe that repeated China-style lockdowns are going to be the future: they are way too onerous to be triggered as a routine countermeasure. In his latest study, he puts forward a new way of nipping the contagion in the bud, by enforcing different degrees of restrictions in different parts of the country – regions, cities, towns, down to the individual neighbourhood – depending on how bad the outbreak is, and how central to the country’s general movement of people that specific location is. “I don't think a complete lockdown is the optimal choice,” he says.

Gian Volpicelli is WIRED's politics editor. He tweets from @Gmvolpi


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Sep 20 - 05:26 PM

Our dentist uses Ozone treatment so need for us to self isolate!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 20 - 01:54 PM

The news just now said a staffer was found to test positive.

A trip to the dentist yesterday felt like living dangerously, even with all of the precautions they put in place. I'm self-isolating for a week at least just to play it safe.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Sep 20 - 12:05 PM

My [Virginia] governor has it. And he's been careful and sensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Sep 20 - 12:08 AM

“Wearing of eyeglasses is common among Chinese individuals of all ages,” wrote the study authors. “However, since the outbreak of Covid-19 in Wuhan in December 2019, we observed that few patients with eyeglasses were admitted in the hospital ward.”

The observation “could be preliminary evidence that daily wearers of eyeglasses are less susceptible to Covid-19,” the authors speculated.


Does Wearing Glasses Protect You From Coronavirus?

After researchers noticed fewer nearsighted patients in a hospital ward in China, they speculated that wearing glasses might offer some protection against Covid-19.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 09:11 PM

Whaduknow, Fauci is human. He just called Chris Hayes to say he mispoke and he meant the 4th quarter of NEXT year.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 08:30 PM

Dr. Fauci, a basketball enthusiast, said he will play pick up basketball with Chris Hayes when the pandemic allows - as soon as the 4th quarter of this year.^/
He also said he will raise flags if corners are cut on vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 05:16 PM

Can't see that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 12:21 PM

That paper has a paywall that pops up pretty quickly. Here are snippets of it.

The Food and Drug Administration recently issued emergency use authorization for the BinaxNOW COVID-19 Ag Card rapid test, produced by Abbott, a medical device and health care company.

The company plans to begin shipping tens of millions of rapid tests this month, increasing to 50 million per month by October. That means the U.S. could have the capacity to test more than 1.5 million Americans a day in October.

In the past week, there have been between 588,965 and 911,329 daily tests performed in the U.S., according to Johns Hopkins University. In Texas, the number of daily tests administered over the past week has ranged from about 58,000 to 98,000, according to Johns Hopkins. . . .


Test accuracy
Molecular tests like the PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, test has been the most common test throughout the pandemic. It is taken as a nasal swab, or it can be taken as a throat swab or saliva sample. Those samples are taken to a lab for processing and can take days to produce results.

Antigen rapid tests work differently by looking for a virus’s proteins. Antigen tests deliver results in a few minutes and are administered with a swab from the nose or throat without the need for the sample to be taken to an offsite lab. Because the results come back so quickly, there has been some doubt regarding their accuracy.

Within the first week of symptom onset, Abbott’s new test has a 97.1% positive percent agreement, meaning it is accurate by that percentage when a patient is positive, and a 98.5% negative percent agreement, meaning it is accurate by that percentage when a patient is negative, according to Abbott.

“In order for them to be a practical option, they have to be inexpensive, involve an easy sampling method, be readable in under an hour ideally, and be at least 70 to 80% accurate,” Petrosino said.

Even if Abbott’s test or other rapid tests were less than 70% accurate, they would still be “tolerable,” according to Petrosino because a follow-up test could be administered to double check.

“Highly accurate tests are ideal, but we know that the tests with the greatest accuracy are molecular tests,” Petrosino said. Because molecular tests require a deeper nasal sampling and need to be processed in a lab, they’re more expensive and require more time, according to Petrosino.

“And [it] involves a sampling method that is uncomfortable,” Petrosino said.

More tests to come
Abbott’s rapid test isn’t the only one that has received emergency use authorization by the FDA. In August, Yale School of Public Health was granted authorization for its SalivaDirect COVID-19 diagnostic test. While most COVID-19 tests require a nasal swab, Yale’s test uses a spit sample — one of five saliva sample tests that have received approval by the FDA.

Such a sample can be collected in any sterile container compared with nasal COVID-19 tests, which require extraction kits that are sent to off-site laboratories.

“Providing this type of flexibility for processing saliva samples to test for COVID-19 infection is groundbreaking in terms of efficiency and avoiding shortages of crucial test components like reagents,” Dr. Stephen M. Hahn, FDA commissioner, said in a statement.

Sometimes if you open an article from Twitter it lets you see content.

Dallas Morning News article


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 06:28 AM

And your paper won't let "readers in the EU" see the article you linked to. Haven't they heard that we've left? Let's hope that their journalism is a bit more accurate...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 11:45 AM

Unfortunately, the more "rapid" the test, the more likely it is to throw up a false result. That includes false negatives. A high proportion of those would arguably be more damaging than not testing at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 10:45 AM

Texas is supposedly going to have access to a "$5 five minute COVID-19 test" that will be supplied by the federal government.

$5, 15-minute rapid COVID-19 tests are coming to Texas

A spokesman for the Texas Department of State Health Services said the tests are being allocated by the federal government and that the state was discussing how to deploy them.

"Imagine arriving at your office. You walk through the front door, stop at the front desk, and then take a COVID-19 test. Within minutes you are cleared to begin your work day.

Cheap, rapid coronavirus testing could change how businesses, schools and other places move forward during the pandemic, and Texas is hoping to be at the forefront."

I imagine the only reason Texas is getting them now is because it generally votes Republican and has a GOP governor who was "nice to Trump."

(And on an unrelated note, I hear ABC broadcast a Town Hall meeting it ran in Philadelphia that Trump attended last night and the Independent and Undecided voters really held his toes to the fire regarding his COVID-19 response, and other topics.)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 08:27 AM

So, um, timidly going back to the thread itself..

Indonesia condemns mask nonwearers to digging graves for covid dead:

Blicky

I kinda like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 09:12 PM

The last time I read any of your posts about COVID-19 and masks, you were still suggesting they weren't necessary in your area and you weren't wearing them. If that's what I remember, that is quite possibly what others also remember. There is a gap in the information supplied. Good for you for wearing masks now.

Following people around from thread to thread and fighting about stuff or insulting others on each of those threads is what gets 1. threads closed and 2. people kicked out of Mudcat. So stop doing it. I've had messages from others about this and decided this is the place and the time to make the case AGAIN that anyone who does this (and there are others, you aren't alone) is going to find a "BONK" message after a while if they don't cut it out. We're trying to improve the general demeanor around here, and it has meant ushering the fighting parties off of the property. There have been lots of second and third chances offered.

This is it. Stay with the thread topic from here on out, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 08:58 PM

Maggie, he called me a dangerous mask-denier.

I have complied with every mask requirement for many weeks. I have a large supply of masks at the ready in my car wherever I go. I pester all my family to ensure that they always have masks at the ready. I would never break the mask rules. Or encourage anyone else to do so. I do question the efficacy of wearing masks, true, but I do not encourage mask rebellion in the slightest. Yes, I have confronted Donuel about his serial misinformation on a number of occasions in recent times, in threads in which I take an interest. I have always done that in a measured way, I can fully justify every criticism of him that I make (try asking me), and I have no interest in following him around on topics in which I have no interest. Please do not pull me up for "stalking" when I have just defended myself against blatant misrepresentation.

You criticised me very publicly. You are not always right. I have responded equally publicly. You could have done this via PM, and I would have responded civilly in the same vein, but you chose not to. I fully accept that I may have gone for Donuel's jugular a few times too often (though you do appear not to have noticed his trolling needling). If you decide to delete this, as is your right, I would ask you to also delete your post accusing me of stalking this vexatious man. If you don't, be assured that this post will remain in my archive.

Cheers

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 02:35 PM

However, test availability may be limited, in which case would-be testees need to be prioritized.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 12:43 PM

I just talked a friend through the process for getting the COVID-19 test through the county. He wasn't sure if the recorded message they sent was phishing of some sort, but it's just a weird way the county sends out messages. Anyway, it helps if everyone is tested, even those who think they couldn't possibly have it. One less question mark for county officials for the time being.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 09:24 AM

Ebbie its OK by me if you're the last one standing.
You are a Fiesty & smart favorite.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 09:15 AM

Aw, Ebbie, how awful.

I've had 3 cousins [loosely defined] get it, only one of whom, in their 20s, got really sick. My uncle who died of old age had it when he died, but did not die *of* it. My kid's girlfriend's positive test was deemed a false positive after a follow-up antibody test.

But the guy I work with on activism lost his brother, and there's you guys, so I know how lucky I am. I continue to be careful.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 01:52 AM

Thanks for the good thoughts, everybody. It is a difficult for us all, isn't it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 08:40 PM

I'm sorry about your siblings, Ebbie. This is such a difficult time for so many reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 08:34 PM

Steve. Stop it. You're stalking Donuel. If you don't like what he posts then don't open the threads where he is participating.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 08:08 PM

The 07.42 AM post is a troll post, mods, put out here by a liar.


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