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Subject: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 11:25 AM

Apparently it kills, or can kill, your sense of smell:

https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/03/23/coronavirus-sense-of-smell/amp

Also Ohio is canceling "nonessential abortions" -- what on earth is a cosmetic abortion?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 11:32 AM

It is elective surgury.

My sense of smell is off the charts. I'd hate to lose it.

The oldest Congress of US Senators in history is in grave danger

3 are down already


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 11:35 AM

https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-insights/the-115th-congress-is-among-the-oldest-in-history/175/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 12:15 PM

Almost two thirds of critically ill coronavirus patients are overweight and 37% are under 60, NHS audit reveals

    Excess weight against chest makes it harder for muscles to draw in deep breath
    Weak immune system allows COVID-19 to spread to lungs and cause pneumonia
    These two factors may explain why two thirds of ICU coronavirus patients obese
    Comes as coronavirus death toll in UK rises to 281 and infections sit at 5,600


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 12:37 PM

And in the general population?

"In the 2017 survey, it found that 28.7% of adults in England are obese and a further 35.6% are overweight, making a total of 64.3% who are either overweight or obese. 2 Of obese adults, around one in eight are morbidly obese (3.6% of all adults)"

Or almost two thirds. So the correlation of the virus and being overweight is uncertain at best.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 01:16 PM

You may be right, after all it   was the daily wail reporting. However the statistic is accurate, as is the explanation for the obese requiring intubation. The factor to carry away is that having the virus is a heightened risk if overweight


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 01:21 PM

But that is exactly the factor you cannot carry away. In *any* random sample of people from England you would expect about two thirds to be overweight. In so far as the figures show anything, they suggest being overweight has no bearing at all on your chances of survival. Of course, a formal analysis would be required, but the prima facie evidence suggests there is no connection.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 01:24 PM

It matters, by the way, because we don't want people thinking "I am not overweight so my risk is lower." As far as we can tell so far, it isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 20 - 06:36 PM

best case worst case scenario nyt


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 04:58 AM

Obesity carries inherant heightened health risks:
Heart disease and stroke.
High blood pressure.
Diabetes.
Cancer.
Gallbladder disease and gallstones.
Osteoarthritis.
Gout.
Breathing problems, such as sleep apnea

Many are associated with increased mortality from Covid-19
In Italy, 76.1% of patients who died from COVID-19 had hypertension, or high blood pressure.
One-third of COVID-19 patients who died in Italy had heart disease.
About one-quarter of people who died from the coronavirus in Italy had atrial fibrillation.
Diabetes was the second most common condition among COVID-19 patients who died: 35.5% had the illness.
Of those who died in Italy, 20.3% had active cancer in the past five years.
The study found that 18% of people who died had chronic kidney disease.
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease — or lung diseases such as chronic emphysema and bronchitis — was present in 13.2% of the people who died.
People who previously had a stroke made up 9.6% of COVID-19 patients who died in Italy.
In Italy, 6.8% of COVID-19 patients who died had dementia.Chronic liver disease was the 10th most common underlying condition.
My take on this is that if you are overweight you likely have one or more underlying conditions that rank you with a higher risk.
Statistically if you are obese youa re more likely to die.Reducing weight reduces the risk eg less pressure on the heart, perhaps no more diabetes (if type 2 etc.).................
*Type 2 = remission not cure it might be more accurate to say
My source article insisted on mixing up percentages and fractions- not me.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:36 AM

Again, Iains, you quote all those numbers without saying how common they are in the general population.

No one is saying being overweight or obese is good for you, or is without risks. But as yet there is insufficient evidence that you are more liable to become critically ill with coronavirus because of it. That evidence may arrive in time.

But for the moment: EVERYONE should act as if they are as susceptible as everyone else. Not developing the idea that 'that group is at greater risk than I am'. It is no exaggeration to say that attitude could cost lives.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 06:14 AM

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/which-groups-are-most-at-risk-from-the-coronavirus/


https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/22/819846180/study-calculates-just-how-much-age-medical-conditions
Statistically if you are obese you have underlying conditions
underlying conditions make you more vulnerable to covid-19
How many of those conditions are created,enhanced by obesity.
No one argues that cigarette smoking is good for you anymore!
Why is that?
Perhaps the same mindset should apply to obesity(apart from that created by medical conditions)
The reason 60$ of people on ventilators are obese is because gluttony
has a downside.
original report below.

https://www.icnarc.org/About/Latest-News/2020/03/22/Report-On-196-Patients-Critically-Ill-With-Covid-19   (open it up and extract the document inside)

Oxford University research found that moderate obesity, which is now common, reduces life expectancy by about 3 years, and that severe obesity, which is still uncommon, can shorten a person's life by 10 years. This 10 year loss is equal to the effects of lifelong smoking.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 07:11 AM

I haven't heard anything, in spite of being inundated with Coronavirus news like everyone else, that loss of smell or taste are symptoms of Coronavirus. As for acid environments, the pH up your nose as you inhale virus particles, or in your eyes or mouth, is quite likely to be the much same as everyone else's. I know you like to be different and stand out from the crowd, but I might suggest you stick to known facts when it comes to this issue. It's worrying enough without rumour-mongers putting their oar in.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 07:27 AM

Well I did just find this:

"The group wants doctors worldwide to tell their patients to isolate themselves for seven days if they begin to lose their sense of smell or taste, even if they do not have any other COVID-19 symptoms, The New York Times reported. Losing those senses is also a frequent symptom of the common cold, another, milder form of coronavirus.


RELATED: Here’s How to Tell If That Sneeze Is Coronavirus, the Flu or Just a Cold..."

Either you're a sucker who believes everything, or you can take cod-science with a pinch of salt. I mean, when you know that most colds are not caused by coronaviruses and that sneezing is not a symptom of Covid-19, would you believe anything else in the article? Losing your sense of smell happens when you get a cold or other upper respiratory tract infection when you already have the other miserable symptoms. Stick to the dry cough and fever is my advice...not that anyone should listen to my advice...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 07:29 AM

The American Academy of Otolaryngology posted on its website this week that the amount of anecdotal evidence of anosmia, hyposmia (reduced ability to smell), and dysgeusia (reduced sense of taste) is significant enough that they are added to the list of screening tools for possible infection.

ENT surgeons in the UK also issued a statement urging that anosmia should be categorized as an important symptom that may indicate infection in an otherwise asymptomatic carrier, allowing clinicians at COVID-19 clinics to quickly rule out or confirm this subtle symptom.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 07:32 AM

I can easily persuade myself that my sense of smell isn't quite as good as it was yesterday. Let's stick to the dry cough and fever.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 07:42 AM

When the asymoptomatic are totally unknown in the population and testing is not general it makes sense to use every tool you can. Were this not the case Doctors would not say:
It is significant enough that they are added to the list of screening tools for possible infection.

Cod are best left in the sea I say - the stocks need to recover after EU depradations.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 09:00 AM

No abortions are elective, though. They are needed, not wanted.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 09:36 AM

Mrrzy I understand yet there are meaningful semantics on each side.
owzat for diplomacy? Unlike elective cosmetic surgury it is somthing that can't be postponed.

There are 4 distinct colds caused by a corona varient.

Rhinovirus: This bunch is most active in early fall, spring, and summer. They cause 10%-40% of colds. You'll feel plenty miserable when you catch one, but the good news is they rarely make you seriously sick

Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.

RSV and parainfluenza. These viruses cause 20% of colds. They sometimes lead to severe infections, like pneumonia, in young children.



Starbucks will pay employees for 30 days no matter what.


The Stock market has hit bottom and is now becoming a buying opportunity. butcha gotta bee quick.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 09:47 AM

We would agree that pandemic Corona has now become the #1 cold symptom virus n'est pas.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 09:56 AM

From WebMD:

"There are more than 200 [viruses]that can lay you low.

It's likely that someday you'll have a close encounter with one of these types:

Rhinovirus
Coronavirus
RSV and parainfluenza

There are also a lot of viruses that doctors haven't identified. About 20%-30% of colds in adults are caused by these "unknown" bugs."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 10:43 AM

Elon Musk is producing respirators. Some 3D printers are capable of doing so as well.

While Trump wants isolation to end as soon as Monday for the sake of the economy there is not a damn thing he can do about it. Its up to govenors and mayors.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 10:58 AM

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how you objectively assess whether someone's taste or smell has changed between not having coronavirus (when you wouldn't have thought of asking them about it) and having coronavirus. Leading questions, anyone? At least you can hear someone's cough and measure their temperature...The last thing we need is false positives.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 11:08 AM

"We would agree that pandemic Corona has now become the #1 cold symptom virus n'est pas."

No we wouldn't. The coronavirus that's causing this pandemic doesn't give you common cold symptoms. Stick to what we actually know.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 11:21 AM

no matter the POV won't save lives.


Trump to NYC "FUCK YOU" I'm keeping ventilators in Federal stock pile


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 11:41 AM

A couple of days ago "#presidentcuomo" was trending on Twitter. I don't know about him being president, but he's sure fulfilling the role Trump SHOUD be assuming. His behavior in this crisis will hopefully wake some of his idiot followers up.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 12:50 PM

You can only notice your own sense of smell, unless your roommate suddenly can't tell the milk is off.

No olympics.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 12:55 PM

It really isn’t helpful when the combed-over Orange-Utan currently infesting the White House spreads false information.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 12:59 PM

Since networks have dropped Trump's corona task force which turned into an election rally, so now FOX has an exclusive task force Trump town hall.
Dr. Fauci the world leading infectious disease expert has been REPLACED !

In his stead is the great and powerful Dr. OZ who plays a doctor on TV.    no shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 01:56 PM

I can't find any indication that Fauci has been replaced by Dr.Oz.
Is this another detour from reality?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 04:23 PM

India has shut down.

Texas has joined Ohio in banning cosmetic abortions, whatever they are.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:04 PM

Interesting article on superforecasting and how it likely shaped Britain's response. It is not often the Express is worth quoting but I have not seen this information elsewhere.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1259539/coronavirus-uk-lockdown-cases-deaths-boris-johnson-dominic-cummings-spt


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:08 PM

Gillymor,
this appears to be another Donuel satire;

Mr. Fauci spoke to the New York Daily News
protesting against the mutterings
about Fauci's absence from Trump's press conference Monday.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:12 PM

The Fox exclusive Trump Town Hall in the rose garden, had Dr Oz for questions, I watched it, they had no other Doctors. What is this detour from reality propoganda. You're the one from Texas where UN conspiracy theories are born. I'm from the beltway where reality goes to die..
As for the Task force with j kushner, who never appears, I don't know.

I am on a Fauci watch later today


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:23 PM

Anyone else missing the little things like a haircut, dentist, pancakes, chinese food, 7-11, WaWa, Subway...?,


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:24 PM

More good common sense from Texas

I figured Fauci's days were numbered, nobody upstages the blob and besides, highly competent, truth-telling, professionals aren't welcome in his administration.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:46 PM

Fauci is back right behind Trump in his fart vector.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:50 PM

btw, Fauci is on stage with Twit for the CV task force briefing taking place at this moment and, good news, it will all be over by Easter and the churches will be full and it will be beautiful. This dude's elevator doesn't go to the top floor.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:54 PM

Hitler would have loved manipulating a pandemic. I think Trump has been drinking liquid luck. Trump argued at his Town Hall how trading old decrepid lives for the economy is practicly a patriotic thing to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 05:58 PM

There is one senior citizen I can think of whose demise would greatly benefit this country and the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 06:17 PM

Watching NBC on broadcast TV and whitehouse.gov on the laptop. From my vantage point, the television feed is about ten minutes AHEAD of the White House feed. Is the delay I'm experiencing via the internet or is the white house putting a delay on its own feed?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 06:22 PM

NPR is even ahead of the TV feed.

I suspect each of us has a dark list we will not say aloud regarding the Covid 19 affliction.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 06:28 PM

I think my laptop internet feed was slow not because of a white house delay. Hitting 'refresh' changed the apparent time lag each time.

At least Dr. Fauci is back and still calling the believable shots. Trump looks as usual, like he's a big dumb face on a stick that is trying to control its expression to look serious and like it knows what's going on.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 08:07 PM

I mentioned it once before but it looks like this finding is real.
Men are twice as likly to die of Covid 19 than women. !!!!!!
I don't believe in vengeful wrath of god crap but it looks like older men have a target on their back.'


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 20 - 08:32 PM

That is a very premature conclusion. It may apply so far to Italy and China but not elsewhere. The majority in South Korea, very likely the country that monitors the best, is only very slightly skewed towards males. It's also worth noting that 48% of Chinese men smoke and just 2% of Chinese women. And it is a respiratory tract infection after all. You need to dig deeper before blurting out your simplistic claims.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 04:21 AM

Gender disparities are seen in South Korea as well, where men make up almost 62 percent of cases, and once an infection takes hold, it is 89 percent more likely to be fatal in men.

https://www.labroots.com/trending/microbiology/17118/susceptible-covid-19-women

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30526-2/fulltext

A still evolving story

In Italy 23% smoke,28% men, in the UK 15%
Italy has an older population.
Itally has greater resistance to antibiotics than the rest of Europe. This does not help when secondary respiratory infections occur.
Professor Walter Ricciardi, Scientific Adviser to Italy’s Minister of Health, reports, “On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three.”


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 04:24 AM

Do those Chinese women inhale the men's smoke though Steve? Passive smoking. And from what I've heard on TV, the air pollution in the more industrial parts of China is dire.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mayomick
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:16 AM

I don't want to sound non-alarmist but .......... https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR1wK8PJ-yDvpa3DH-GGJ_3CRP6AhnJBd_I_agfZ33ML_0ewQ7P40AvcwSw
anyone ?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mayomick
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:27 AM

click click https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR1wK8PJ-yDvpa3DH-GGJ_3CRP6AhnJBd_I_agfZ33ML_0ewQ7P40AvcwSw


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:38 AM

Did anyone see the film footage of the London underground yesterday? There was also a news item on construction work in the city. As most of this construction seems to be non essential would it not make sense to call a halt to it?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:39 AM

The finding is still a mystery. The leading conjecture is that men engage in life long risky behavior perhaps as simple as drinking and smoking.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mayomick
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 05:47 AM

there are sex differences in longevity in species other than humans Female mammals are usually the longer-lived sex: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4932837/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mayomick
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 06:18 AM

"In humans, our cells contain different chromosomes, depending on sex. Females have two X chromosomes while males have an X and a Y. The theory is that the extra X in women has a protective effect against harmful mutations and that this holds true in other species"

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52007780


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 08:07 AM

Cloroquine (anti-malarial) doesn't work after all, and is in a brand name of aquarium cleaner that idiots are eating.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 08:20 AM

Ih yeah


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 08:20 AM

Oops, meant oh yeah, and Prince Charles.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 12:02 PM

Just announced on BBC News, a 21 year old woman with no underlying medical issues has died from Covid-19 in the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 12:28 PM

Whether its conjecture or false information, with no current cure or treatmnt except for forced oxygen, people will get desperate.

I can even see myself gobblimg aspirin and musinex and zithromax and penicillin even if I know there is no proof it would work.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 03:25 PM

Dave the Gnome.
Yes, it might make sense to stop (unnecessary) construction work. But, many construction workers are self-employed sub-contractors who don't know yet what provision the government will make for them. As such I can understand them wishing to continue working.
I was a civil servant, in an office which is currently still open. I'm so glad I retired!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 04:16 PM

Jackson Browne has it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 04:21 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/25/coronavirus-patients-do-not-resucitate/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 20 - 04:55 PM

The CVS pharmacy refused to sell me the 90 day insulin prescription on 3 consecutive days. Today they had it but reduced the prescription to 28 days at a 3000% price increase. I hope this is not being done across the board to everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 08:20 AM

Donuel:
Amazon announced its $1 billion acquisition of PillPack in June, sending shares of retail pharmacy companies like CVS Health, Rite Aid and Walgreens plummeting. ... The company said it is licensed to ship prescriptions to all states except Hawaii and can fill schedule III, IV and V medications.Apr 24, 2019


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 08:25 AM

Something else you could not make up. From Guido as well.
Hilarious!

A Democrat in support of Boris the Bountiful


https://order-order.com/2020/03/26/sanders-praises-sunak/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 20 - 08:44 AM

Semi truck trailers are being used to stack bodies outside hospitals in NYC.

The great escape from NYC has probably caused an infection near you.

Montana has the best numbers with under one thousand infections.

Trump is trying to sue TV stations that have ads showing his diminishd capacity. They broadcast his own 'words'


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 08:12 AM

Boris!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 08:28 AM

Ok to eat meat on Fridays dduring Lent!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 08:35 AM

Meat eating in Lent
It seems that many bishops are issuing dispensations for this at the moment.
The above example is from New Jersey, but a search for "Meat in Lent" via Google news will find many examples.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 08:35 AM

They say Boris has it. I hope he is safe and stays well but I am sure I am not the only one who thought "is this yet another of his populist ploys?".


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 08:45 AM

I am sure I am not the only one who thought "is this yet another of his populist ploys?".

I have read that a lot of times elsewhere already, so you are not. It shows how depressingly low our trust of politicians has got that the thought even occurs to us.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 10:50 AM

The coronavirus that's causing this pandemic doesn't give you common cold symptoms

Of the many things that give you a cold, coronaviridae are included. There are 5 coronaviruses that affect humans (many many more that affect other mammals), three are more serious, MERS, SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV2.

For all practical purposes the difference between a cold and 'flu is severity. The symptoms are better described as a syndrome, you may not get all of them. Especially if you caught a whiff of SARS-CoV the first time.

Musk may have done a few stupid things, but he ain't stupid when it comes to seeing a need and driving a huge thick wedge through it. And if riding the publicity was his worst vice - we can tolerate that. Surely.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 11:13 AM

*And* the British health minister.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 01:04 PM

"For all practical purposes the difference between a cold and 'flu is severity."

Absolutely not the case. Unless you're talking about a cold and man flu. The two illnesses are quite distinct in speed of onset, symptoms and severity. I've had flu five times in my life. No runny or blocked-up nose, no sneezing. Aching limbs, tender skin all over, fever, nausea, severe headache, unable to get out of bed, utter exhaustion. If you're lucky. A dose of flu can down you in an hour from your feeling just fine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 07:22 PM

God Save the Queen (seriously, she met with Boris earlier in March. Hopefully, this was before he shook the hands of Covid patients).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 07:28 PM

Only 30 people tested positive at work out of 32,000 employees.
It is a big place with its own power plant, waste disposal and fire department.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 08:10 PM

Or... Maybe not:


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Mar 20 - 08:11 PM

https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-sense-of-smell-nytimes-fact-check.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 09:46 PM

The newspaper had a disturbing report yesterday. Child-abuse reports in Kansas and Missouri are down 50% from the usual, because many reports come from schools, and schools are not in session.

I have no doubt that all parts of the world where schools are closed are seeing the same thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:20 AM

The UK government are sending a letter to every household in the land. WTF? Putting strain on the already overstretched postal service and increasing the risk of spreading the virus. I have just read it online. It says nothing we don't already know.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:31 AM

Last week I went to Bude Morrisons once and Holsworthy Waitrose once (sounds like I'm doing too much shopping, but I'm also helping out older friends who are self-isolating). The precautions being taken to control customer numbers, distancing, queuing in the car parks and checkout monitoring were exemplary at both. Waitrose allowed just twenty in the store at any one time and only twenty trolleys were in use, each of which was sanitised between customers. Both shops had signs up everywhere and there were frequent announcements over the PA. Well I went to Bude Lidl yesterday afternoon. Following the visit, I sent the following email to Lidl's head office:

When I visited this store today, there were hardly any measures in place to protect staff and customers. There was no control of customers entering. There was no sanitisation of baskets and trolleys. There were marks on the floor at the tills (nowhere else) but there was no supervision. There were no signs up in the shop. The narrow aisles meant that customers passing each other were far too close together, and many customers were simply not complying with the 2-metre rule. The protection of staff at checkouts was virtually non-existent. My visit to the store, for the purpose of shopping for a couple over 70 who are self-isolating, was most unnerving, and I won't be visiting the store again. My experience was in stark contrast to two other stores in my area, where very responsible controlling of customers and careful sanitisation were being carried out, and in both of which careful controlling of checkout queues was being carried out. I simply couldn't understand the wild-west approach to the crisis that seems to be prevailing at this store. I hope you will take this message seriously and take prompt action to do the right thing. Thank you.
Steve Shaw


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 07:14 AM

We went to Morrisons yesterday Steve (one out in the sticks, with a mainly elderly clientele) and were very impressed with their arrangements. Supervision of distancing outside and inside the shop, strict control of queues at the tills, screens put up to protect the till staff, everyone assiduously keeping their distance. Our trolley was wiped over and disinfected by a lady in a mask at the door. Most commendable.
However, I read on Mumsnet yesterday that Lidl are not bothering particularly, as you say, and should be avoided at all costs.
Are people completely daft? It's blooming obvious that these measures should be strictly put in place.
We got some extra supplies for a poor young woman in our village who has a sick child of two and is alone. She has little money and we're all supporting her. We left our offerings on her doorstep, knocked and drove away.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 09:12 AM

https://covidnearyou.org/

Cool and informative map.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: G-Force
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 09:17 AM

I suppose you get what you pay for. Pile'em high, sell 'em cheap, kill 'em off.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 09:19 AM

It might be cool and informative to you, but I can't get past that stupid Captcha page in spite of four attempts to spot bears in extremely indistinct photos. So bugger it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:05 PM

Weird. I had no trouble getting in at first but now there are no data.

Interesting article on why no ventilators:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:16 PM

I think Boris Johnson should have recommended masks & should not be asking posties to deliver his letters.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:32 PM

we all need to wear masks or some face covering. make our own so we are not accused of robbing them from nurses. it should be mandatory. it would slow down the spread. there is research. google it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:44 PM

Most masks don't work, except as a money-spinner for spivs. A false sense of security isn't exactly what we currently need.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:04 AM

Shit. John Prine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 03:23 AM

Again, Iains, you quote all those numbers without saying how common they are in the general population

There are a few things going on there.
1) how likely are you to contract COVID-19? - social distancing apart (pun intended) - it is no respecter of status, be careful!
2) If you can't be careful, be lucky
3) If you can't be careful, have a healthy/lucky lifestyle.
4) If you can't be careful, be young (I am working on that one)
5) Some of the people we rely on like doctors and nurses (+ police, firemen etc) may be vulnerable yet answer the call. And pay the price. It has happened.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 06:59 AM

Steve, I guess that masks are less effective if we are in close proximity to someone without one and do not help with surface to hand transmission so if someone takes of their masks before washing their hands it does kind of negate any benefit.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 07:03 AM

I wish the media would be a bit more discerning when reporting individual health announcements and wait for peer validated announcements. We are getting so many mixed messages.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 07:58 AM

The secret to peer into the future is to scrutinize the past.

In 1919-1920 people grew weary and stopped the very same social distancing measures we use today. As a result when the second wave arrived it was more catastrophic than it needed to be. And again with the 3rd wave.

Their past is our future.

Our own behavior will exaccerbate the outome but does not cause the 2nd and 3rd wave.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Rain Dog
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 09:33 AM

Steve Shaw posted a copy of the email he sent to Lidl "I simply couldn't understand the wild-west approach to the crisis that seems to be prevailing at this store."

I thought that you did live in the wild-west. Here in the calm south east we do have a Lidl at an out of town location. Not been to it myself as I don't have a car plus it would mean travelling up north.

Stay safe everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 12:27 PM

The secret to peer into the future is to scrutinize the past.

Usually. But it relies on people looking for the similarities. As I find when drawing analogies in discussions like in this parish. Similarities are ignored or denigrated by comments that show the differences and by implication the analogy is dismissed.

History is an analogy for the future. It is different now, we know more (aka more intelligent?????) now.

If we are more intelligent - we will see the similarities as warnings and differences as boundaries/borders to the similarities.

FWIW History can show there danger of a second wave of epidemic, as we relax. I fear, not predict.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 02:10 PM

Virginia is now under stay-at-home orders.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 02:22 PM

Steve Shaw posted a copy of the email he sent to Lidl "I simply couldn't understand the wild-west approach to the crisis that seems to be prevailing at this store."

It's not so wild in Bude! Very civilised. I received what looks like a very standardised reply today saying that they're getting on with it, sort of thing. Getting on with what everybody else was doing a week or more ago...

I'm not proud and I use Lidl, Aldi and Poundland as well as Waitrose... the Fire Tree Nero d'Avola at £4.49 at Aldi is the best value red I've found in years.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 02:50 PM

An historian pointed out the fact that cities that carried out parades suffered the most. Today that was New Orleans.

The rest of the country is fueled with new infections by, of all things, Basketball pick up games. TOO BAD there are no public service announcements that the young would listen to. Even if they do, there is an element of defiance or possibly pay back.

The mitigation bucket has lots of holes in it with beaches, stores, homeless, prisons, first responders - (the list is long) , hospitals and elder care facilites.

But its the only bucket we have.

Red, fear is a fine mitigating factor.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 04:36 PM

Yesterday a columnist wrote a vivid and worrying description of what it can be like to have a moderate case of Covid 19. He wrote of lying in bed for a long time, shivering and terribly cold. He even dreamed of riding in a frozen landscape.

But now I ask myself, how about an electric blanket, hot drinks, hot water bottle, chicken soup, hot shower? Was there not one person on the earth who would lend a helping hand? We're not talking about a destitute or derelict person here.

Nonetheless, what he wrote certainly firmed my resolve not to get this virus.
================
I'm often cold at night, esp. my feet and legs. I ordered a big heating pad from Dr. Leonard's catalog, which concentrates on heating those very same feet and legs. Its control goes from 1 to 10, and I only have to put it on 1 or 2. Yet I am sleeping much better than I have in a long time.
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A couple of months ago, I asked for a hot water bottle at my local Walgreen's, and they didn't know what I was talking about. They had them.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 05:15 PM

100


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 05:21 PM

”But now I ask myself, how about an electric blanket, hot drinks, hot water bottle, chicken soup, hot shower? Was there not one person on the earth who would lend a helping hand? We're not talking about a destitute or derelict person here.”

Those were the last things he needed - he was shivering and felt cold because he had a fever, a.k.a. a high temperature. The shivering caused by a fever is called ‘Rigors’ and the treatment, perhaps counter-intuitively, is to cool the patient - often by using a fan to cool them down.

Electric blankets, hot drinks, hot water bottles, would increase the fever and result in him feeling even colder.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 05:25 PM

My sister is still very ill with the virus, and she describes being raging hot, and an inability to breathe as if one is suffocating with a very heavy weight one the chest. Incessant coughing and great weakness.
Add to this, she lives all alone in a Scottish village in Tayside.
I expect all sufferers have differing symptoms, depending on their state of health before they succumbed.
Bless her, she's still talking about volunteering once she's better, as presumably she'll have immunity. But is it certain that one can't get it twice?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 07:17 PM

When it feels like a 250 lb person is sitting on your chest is when a ventilator can lessen the stress.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 09:16 PM

please everyone..make your own masks and don't be afraid to be the first to wear them. i will try to post some good epidemiological links later. i get most of my information from following epidemiologists and virologists on twitter and there don't tend to be links. start following epidemiologists. this is what i came across..google for yourselves...Israel on the verge of making masks mandatory. germany about to make mandatory in supermarkets. Czechoslovakia already mandatory. several asian countries mandatory but i don't know which ones. it has been idiotic to read these comments that they don't work. if they work by 4% that is good. Of course, wash them daily and hang in sun if possible. Don't count on your bus neighbor washing her hands. People don't. It is not to save yourself...it is to collectively save others.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 12:11 AM

Davide Capodanno
@DFCapodanno
The rapid pace of knowledge on #COVID19 leads to revisit your beliefs every 5 minutes. Surgical masks are the most typical example: we went from mocking the few who had them up to the current belief that we should all wear masks for months when things go back to pseudo-normality.

from twitter. was lots on twitter yesterday and more coming right now. find epidemiologists on twitter and follow them if you have anything you think is profound to say. (he is not an epidemiologist but an Italian cardiologist).

please do due diligence and research this. there is no downside i can think of from clean, homemade masks. there is group protection. don't just wear them..pass the word. ask people why they are not wearing something.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 02:36 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/top-chinese-health-official-warns-114801914.html

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/top-chinese-health-official-warns-114801914.html

we will have allowed so many people to die over this foolishness. we surely should have figured out we were being lied to. if the reason was to protect a scarce supply, they should have removed the costco masks from the supply going to medics etc. and they should have told the truth...if they work for the nurses, they will work for people in general, but it is more important to protect the nurses. of course it is. they could then say, make your own. make extra. you must wear them in shops and on the bus. bus drivers are now dying. being a smartass here or elsewhere about this is cruel and unnecessary,


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 03:52 AM

the treatment, perhaps counter-intuitively

Well I'm no medical expert, but the experts I see/read tell me that the high temps are the bodies evolved response to slow down the virus because it struggles at higher temperatures.
Indeed the time honoured advice of lemon, honey & an aspirin is forwned on, because acetylsalicylic acid is vaso-dilatory** which cools you down, thus lengthening recovery.
Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.

** so is whisky (or whiskey) - but then who cares?.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 04:07 AM

In case anybody doesn't look into the UK politics thread I've taken the liberty of repeating DtheG's link HERE
Everybody should be fully aware what is happening
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 04:15 AM

toilet rolls reward for finding missing cockatiel

Living in interesting times!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 04:24 AM

I see that there are now 165 cases in Ivory Coast, mostly in Abidjan. Husband is frantic with worry for his numerous family. No 'lockdown' as such, just a curfew and mosques/schools closed. But people are out on the streets, going to markets etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 09:28 AM

Merde, Senoufou.

I think Virginia has canceled my annual tripping naked hippie springtime Float Trip (it is Memorial Day weekend and stay-home is till June 10). Merde all over again.

Face masks keep you from *giving* but not from getting germs. Worth it.

Texas has ruled the abortion ban to be unconstitutional and unenforceable so that is something.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 11:01 AM

Nurses are not afraid of giving the virus to their dying patients. They are afraid of getting it. And I was wondering if dogs could be used to sniff out fever and this illness. They are being tried out in several countries I believe.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 11:16 AM

Alabama also. I joined the ACLU as soon as Trump was sworn in, and have kept that membership going.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 11:44 AM

”Well I'm no medical expert, but the experts I see/read tell me that the high temps are the bodies evolved response to slow down the virus because it struggles at higher temperatures.
Indeed the time honoured advice of lemon, honey & an aspirin is forwned on, because acetylsalicylic acid is vaso-dilatory** which cools you down, thus lengthening recovery.
Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice.“


Well, I was speaking from personal experience, as a patient with high fever and severe rigors on a significant number of occasions over the past fifteen years due to life-threatening infections, of the treatment that was given to me. I was shivering uncontrollably and very painfully to the point of exhaustion, but the things I desperately wanted - heat, warmer bedding, etc., were refused by the medical staff at QMC Nottingham and, instead, thin bedding and a fan were used to reduce my fevers on each occasion. Whilst it’s true that a high temperature is part of the body’s defence against bacterial or viral infections, very high temperatures - >40C - are, in themselves, life-threatening and need to be reduced.

But don’t just take my word for it - scroll down to the last section of the article.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 01:53 PM

Re (NOT) funding charities in trouble from covid19, in a good nation in a good United Nations there would be no need for private (competing) charities where, if a celebrity gets involved e.g., some get more than they need & others not enough.

And re news of garden centres in trouble - good, if they are selling exotics rather than the native flora that our native fauna EVOLVED WITH; some photos of Levenshulme Allotments, with native gardening advice here


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 20 - 04:01 PM

Well I'm outraged that my local garden centre is closed whereas Bude Morrisons and B&M, both of which have more or less separate mini-garden centres, can carry on regardless. That just isn't right. I'm with Titchmarsh on this. Unless the policy changes I'm boycotting all supermarket gardening departments.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 04:00 AM

Our local Morrisons has a small garden centre attached, but it was fenced off and closed when we went there on Saturday. I wanted bags of compost and some red geranium plants to 'do' our tubs in front of our house.
Husband prefers scarifying the lawn and pressure-washing the patio (menz and macheenz) but we ladeez like to plant and tend.

I suppose none of this is what the Authorities would call 'essential purchasing' though.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 07:11 AM

Pressure-washing the patio is a filthy job. Mrs Steve would be welcome to it!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 07:39 AM

That's very true Steve. He gets soaked to the skin, covered in gunk and manages to splash it all up the conservatory windows. But he seems to enjoy doing it (thank goodness!)
At this very moment he's fence-painting and his black face is covered in Ronseal Medium Oak sploshes, not to mention his old Arsenal football shirt (he's gone off them for some reason)
Being outside in the garden and busy is very therapeutic during this pandemic.
I feel sorry for people trapped in a high-rise flat in a city centre.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 10:23 AM

I love rock'n'roll songwriter gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 12:36 PM

You want him dead? :^/ make commas common. make comas rare. Compulsive food, wine and compost shoppers stay home for 2 weeks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 01:08 PM

My poor sister just sent me a brief email. She's much worse, can't sleep, is boiling hot and extremely weak. Her local vicar is bringing her food. This is about 2 weeks now. What has upset me is that she's given the vicar a list of hymns for her funeral. She can't speak on the phone as she's lost her voice. We're so very worried.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 01:26 PM

Oh, dear, dear Senoufou. Je pense à toi et à elle.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: fat B****rd
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 01:32 PM

Thinking of you as always. Eliza x


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Apr 20 - 01:48 PM

Thank you so much both of you. It's hard being so far from her, and knowing she lives alone. It seems this virus goes on and on for maybe weeks.
Her vicar contacted 111 on her behalf, but they said she can't be admitted to hospital for several reasons. She's elderly, is managing to breathe although with difficulty, and they're short of places anyway.
She's spent all her working days as a hospital doctor and yet there's no place for her now in her hour of need.
All we can do is carry on praying.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Apr 20 - 03:55 PM

Obesity is apparently a factor but hard to separate from the issues obesity gives you.

Marsalis père.

New Orleans should not have had Mardi Gras but, who knew, then.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Apr 20 - 04:30 PM

Finally, the BBC is suggesting masks, perhaps covering themselves by saying the WHO is now suggesting a sneeze or cough can carry further than earlier thought - as mentioned a couple of weeks ago, seeing those of other nations that have coped relatively well wearing them was enough to convince me.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Apr 20 - 08:49 PM

What is this about it fighting it off not conferring immunity? I had been counting on immunity.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 20 - 10:18 PM

Medical supplies from the federal government is being delivered to private companies who then have states and other countries bid on them.
I wonder how George Patton would feel if FDR had let Sherman tanks be put up for auction for even the Germans to bid on?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 03 Apr 20 - 02:15 AM

general honore, one of the few people who seems to know what he is doing on this, has spoken on the private bidding. It is disgusting. Lawyers need to comb through law books to see how high we can hang them.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Apr 20 - 10:33 AM

They are going back and forth on xhloroquine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 20 - 03:27 PM

The Govenor of Georgia only learned this week that there is a pandemic of non sympmtomatic jock itch carriers that spread the illness. Or something like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Apr 20 - 09:14 AM

Apparently with billions of people staying home there is less pollution and there are fewer earthquakes!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Apr 20 - 05:58 PM

Ok did that orange asshole *really* steal a shipment of medical masks and ventilators heading for Germany?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/mask-wars-coronavirus-outbidding-demand


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 07:49 AM

In this age of favoring the economy over the life spans of people, by the businessman/fascist tactics of the new conservatives, it is actually neccessary to remind YOU that living IS AGING!

While the wealthy ruling class repeat and insist that "the cure must not be worse than the problem", YOU MUST NOT give in to the nonsense that your survival is unimportant compared to doing business.

With enough repetition/hypnosis people can be lured to the cliffs like lemmings. Its happened before. It sounds like it will happen again.
You may not need to be reminded that aging is living but the young are more easily indoctrinated than you.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 08:00 AM

DO NOT STOP ISOLATION TOO SOON.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 10:27 AM

Right. I am arguing with the idiots in my various meetup groups who are still meeting up.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 10:35 AM

Coronaservatives are not the boss of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 10:59 AM

If you are disgusted with astrology, stop right here, then move on.

This is from New York astrologer Susan Miller, and at the end of the post
a link will be made to her website.
The post, however, will be short and to the point.

Re: Coronavirus TIMING in the calendar year 2020
Three dates:

April 4, 2020

(May 13)    June 30    (September 12) , 2020

November 12, 2020   


Explanation:
The calendar year 2020 and the time cycle for the coronavirus pandemic
will not be a simple event with a rise, one big peak/top, and a fall back towards 'normalcy.'

The pandemic cycle will have TWO high peaks, not one,
and inbetween there is a false low, with one lowest point.

First pandemic peak: April 4, 2020 ... but not the last.

False pandemic 'low point': June 30, 2020;
the pandemic will appear to drop starting May 13,
and will not rise very much before/until September 12.

November 12, 2020 will see the pandemic peak for the SECOND time, and strongly, too.


'Apparent retrograde motion,' an astronomical phenomenon, gets the credit
for bringing three date markers, instead of one, into this cycle.
And the real culprit is the planet Pluto.

The 2020 Coronavirus Outlook


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 11:27 AM

This is hardly the time to be posting claptrap like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 03:44 PM

I don't know, even toe nail clipping future casting has its place.

For example thousands of rental cars went up in flames at a florida airport today. My toe nail clippings predicted it. Wink Wink nudge nudge News


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 04:08 PM

Yeah, I met a bloke today who said there's no virus, we can't prove it, and that it's all a big conspiracy. You appear to be in bed with lunatics of that ilk, keberoxu.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 05:02 PM

Worldometer data and charts for COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic

If you want to know more data on a specific country click the hyperlink on the country name on the left hand column. Not all countries have a hyperlink. A useful column for comparison of countries in the spreadsheet is Deaths/1 million population.

For the last two weeks Australia has been using social distancing and non-essential business shutdowns and social isolation. People are expected to stay at home and only go out for essentials like food supplies, medical appointments and essential work. A lot of people are suddenly working from home, including my Hubby.

If you look at the charts most of the negative data are showing a flattening of the curve or even a minor decline.

Unfortunately a decision was made in mid March to allow a cruise ship to dock and passengers disembarked and went to their respective home areas, despite a notification by the medical officer on board advising that some of the passengers and crew were found to be infected with COVID 19. This has been the main source of infections in Australia and contact tracing has been conducted in most of the cases to trace the various infections to contact with someone coming in from overseas. Some contacts have been within the community, however, and these have been more difficult to trace.

The important thing to focus on is that the social distancing and isolation, and the shutdown of non-essential businesses appears to be having a positive effect.

By comparison, look at the U.S. data and the negative charts all show rising cases and rising deaths.

I would suggest that if your government does not tell you to socially isolate yourself then think about doing it for yourself if at all possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 06:42 PM

Funny, innit. We get all hoity-toity about our governments and their failings, etc, and all judgemental about wankers we see sunbathing on the beach...

Then something hits you in the guts. Yesterday, a bloke I knew personally died of the bloody thing. That's the first time for me. It's a shuddering thing is that. He was a brilliant musician and I once played a duet on the harmonica with him. There's actually a thread about him above the line. His name is Ted Crum and he was one of the loveliest men you could wish to meet. Damn... :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 06:56 PM

Well shit, Steve Shaw. So sorry. My cousin and her daughter are recovering, but I fear for Senoufou's sister.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 07:40 PM

Has anyone besides me seen this site?

A Mask For All: requires a 3D printer

I don't know who has a 3D printer where I am ...
having said that:
this thing you can download, for free if I get this right,
and the 3D printer will make it
and you assemble it.
The mask frame has a place where you can insert filter material,
thus you can clean the mask when not in used,
and replace a used mask filter with a new clean one.

What do you all think?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Apr 20 - 09:34 PM

Marianne Faithfull.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 09:10 AM

And why are the testing tigers in the zoo? Madeleine would say pooh pooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 09:44 AM

Our true character shines through masks
But Bank robbers still wear skimasks
While some Red necks wear bandanas
Trumpists proudly wear no masks
Kid masks have smiling bananas
but Democrats wear N-95's


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 11:41 AM

I got a purple-ish silk scarf. No idea where my kelly green one went.

Plays havoc with my claustrophobia, though.

I only wear it when I am out of my house but indoors (doc's office, grocery store). Somehow that last bit came out to the tune of the Beverley Hillbillies (swimming pools, movie stars).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 12:38 PM

Just heard it is at my good friend's old folks' home. Merde.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 03:24 PM

And Virginia is allowing distilleries to ship to people's homes to avoid trips to the liquor store!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 03:30 PM

In Wash DC the mariquana dispensories are praised by the mayor as being an essential store.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 03:33 PM

Boris Johnson moved to Intensive Care (BBC News just now).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 04:07 PM

It's at my mum's care home too. She is 91 and has COPD.

The news about Boris is terrible. Get well, mate...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 05:13 PM

I was just about to post about Boris. When did he last shake hands with Trump?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 05:21 PM

And Oklahoma has partially stopped the ban on abortions.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 10:51 PM

A friend of the devil is a friend of mine.
I hope Boris does well in the Horse spittle.
A failure to act is his only sad crime
We can hope his breathe won't get too brittle
What this means is that Covid 19 has stunned
his ace2 receptors deep in the lungs.
The air sacs (avioli) have the ace2 receptors.
If the virus stays in the nose the case may stay mild
but being well behaved is not in virus nature.

ITS OFFICIAL In Chicago the black community is suffering a double
infection rate and is dieing at 7 times the rate of white communities.
The cause is probably education and the nature of their employment.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 12:05 AM

DC too.

Bad Supreme Court decisions about in-person voting in Wisconsin and I think simewhere else.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 03:46 AM

I live in fear of hearing that Abidjan cases escalate. Most of the people there are poor, ill-nourished and living in very close proximity, several to a room etc. They are all on curfew, but can go out during the day and mix freely, which seems mad to me.
Also, medical care is practically unobtainable there.

I see that most of the major supermarkets are now allowing only one person to each trolley (no couples) so I'll have to stay in the car while husband does the actual shopping armed with a list.

I hope Boris Johnson pulls through. (and indeed anyone in an ICU)
I read today that two-thirds of those put on a ventilator will die from the virus. Luckily my sister is off hers now and on a drip instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 03:55 AM

Good news, Sen. I hope she’s on her way to a full recovery.
I’m also in the same camp as most others re: Boris Johnson - I’ve never wished I’ll health on anyone, and I wish Mr. Johnson a full and speedy recovery.
Stay well dear lady!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 04:18 AM

very high temperatures - >40C - are, in themselves, life-threatening and need to be reduced.

As I always say, "life ain't binary". But the advice to the general idiot in the street, currently for COVID-19, is "to avoid ibuprofen and asprin", because they are vaso-dilatory.
If you are in hospital, it is a different context, you have the extended knowledge of experts, who have thermometers and are not afraid to wield them.

Some experts advocate Tylenol which would appear to be nothing more than Paracetamol which has been cited as not much better - and is also antipyretic BTW. Though is not anti-inflammatory which is a plus apparently.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 06:23 AM

Acetaminophen and paracetamol are the same thing, as is Tylenol, which is just a brand name in the US.

Well I've been taking diclofenac (Voltarol) for many years for back pain. It's an NSAID but the advice is to continue taking it, and I am doing. I have better things to worry about.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 09:10 AM

https://www.technologynetworks.com/immunology/videos/the-coronavirus-outbreak-explained-through-3d-medical-animation-332089


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 09:35 AM

The problem with NSAIDs is their effect on the immune response to the virus - they drastically reduce it. Paracetamol and microdose aspirin are ok, pain-relief or anti-inflammatory doses of aspirin/NSAIDs seem to be very dangerous right now. Use dihydrocodeine or similar if you really need it. (No idea about gabapentin or amitryptiline).

I haven't seen any research on fhe effects of fever reduction. My take on it is that fever is an anti-viral response, so you want to just let it happen unless it gets dangerously high - and with COVID-19 it rarely seems to get that bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 09:45 AM

No narcotics for me, thanks. I had a terrible experience with tramadol - and I only took it for three weeks. Not only that, it didn't work.


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Subject: VIRUS DENIERS on TV and radio
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 09:51 AM

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-republicans-denial-fox-news-trump-war-on-science-20200315.html



https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/dr-drew-coronavirus-supercut-restored-to-youtube-after-copyright-takedown/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 10:20 AM

At the intersection of Disinformation and Hate there are hard core Trump advocates that will not relent their conspiracies even unto their deathbed. We are going to lose quite a few extremists to covid 19.
We are also losing black citizens at a death rate 7 times higher than other communities for a similar but different kind of disinformation and distrust.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 10:25 AM

It took me several days to get off of Tramadol after taking it for about 3 weeks for the knee surgery. I had to cut the tablets to taper off of it. It was somewhat helpful for the muscle pain (nothing is completely effective). Is coughing with coronavirus "productive" - do you want to keep coughing? Codeine cough syrup is pretty effective with heavy coughs; I prefer taking guiafed. Are people having to sleep propped up?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 10:52 AM

Article on what might or might not be sn actual symptom: https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-wild-symptoms-correlation.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 11:59 AM

A morning productive cough is normal to me.
A dry cough is normally bronchitis,allergies,asthma...
A dry cough with fever should be watched.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 02:36 PM

Donuel said, "...losing black citizens at a death rate 7 times higher than other communities..."

This is what worries me. The people who cannot afford medical services, the people who are on or near the poverty line, the people who are targeted by the racists, they are all of the people who seem to be fair game in Donald Trump's policies and strategies. I keep seeing in my head the media scenes of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and what I saw was a country abandoning its people in crisis to a great degree, and most of the people in those media images were black people.


A note on productive coughs: it's a medical term meaning that the cough is "producing" or ejecting phlegm from the lungs. If you can clear the lungs it will help ease the symptoms. Dry coughs tend not to be productive coughs.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 04:01 PM

The racial parameters are not measured in the hospital but are garnered later by calling the morgue. So the figures could be unreliable bu t I fear not. I believe I can see the social and economic reasons. The psych reasons for not trusting whitey and not giving a fuck goes around and comes around. Poverty is a powerful killer.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 07:58 AM

And don't bury John Prine down in the cold cold ground.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 08:48 AM

Yep, Mr. Prine made it clear how he wants his remains disposed of long ago:

"Please don't bury me
Down in that cold, cold ground
No, I'd rather have 'em cut me up
And pass me all around"

"Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 09:21 AM

WHAT IS THE AFTERMATH?


I admire thinking ahead. Here are the best macro thinkers on dealing with the now and future.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/19/coronavirus-effect-economy-life-society-analysis-covid-135579


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 11:12 AM

Also posted on the Cause thread


Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 01:21 PM

Another of my cousins has it. This one is in the DC area, the others were in Austin.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 03:53 PM

The personal becomes dangerous.

Deborah Tannen is a professor of linguistics at Georgetown and author, most recently, of You’re the Only One I Can Tell: Inside the Language of Women’s Friendships.


On 9/11, Americans discovered we are vulnerable to calamities we thought only happened in distant lands. The 2008 financial crisis told us we also can suffer the calamities of past eras, like the economic meltdown of the Great Depression. Now, the 1918 flu pandemic is a sudden specter in our lives.


This loss of innocence, or complacency, is a new way of being-in-the-world that we can expect to change our doing-in-the-world. We know now that touching things, being with other people and breathing the air in an enclosed space can be risky. How quickly that awareness recedes will be different for different people, but it can never vanish completely for anyone who lived through this year. It could become second nature to recoil from shaking hands or touching our faces—and we might all find we can’t stop washing our hands.


The comfort of being in the presence of others might be replaced by a greater comfort with absence, especially with those we don’t know intimately. Instead of asking, “Is there a reason to do this online?” we’ll be asking, “Is there any good reason to do this in person?”—and might need to be reminded and convinced that there is. Unfortunately, if unintendedly, those without easy access to broadband will be further disadvantaged. The paradox of online communication will be ratcheted up: It creates more distance, yes, but also more connection, as we communicate more often with people who are physically farther and farther away—and who feel safer to us because of that distance.


A new kind of patriotism.

Mark Lawrence Schrad is an associate professor of political science and author of the forthcoming Smashing the Liquor Machine: A Global History of Prohibition.


America has long equated patriotism with the armed forces. But you can’t shoot a virus. Those on the frontlines against coronavirus aren’t conscripts, mercenaries or enlisted men; they are our doctors, nurses, pharmacists, teachers, caregivers, store clerks, utility workers, small-business owners and employees. Like Li Wenliang and the doctors of Wuhan, many are suddenly saddled with unfathomable tasks, compounded by an increased risk of contamination and death they never signed up for.


When all is said and done, perhaps we will recognize their sacrifice as true patriotism, saluting our doctors and nurses, genuflecting and saying, “Thank you for your service,” as we now do for military veterans. We will give them guaranteed health benefits and corporate discounts, and build statues and have holidays for this new class of people who sacrifice their health and their lives for ours. Perhaps, too, we will finally start to understand patriotism more as cultivating the health and life of your community, rather than blowing up someone else’s community. Maybe the de-militarization of American patriotism and love of community will be one of the benefits to come out of this whole awful mess.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 11:41 PM

except that the military (composed of both men and women) is increasingly a part of the response to this, and is used to doing things fairly quickly and efficiently. We have a lot to learn from them (us).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 07:00 AM

Patriotism is imho the wrong metaphor. Patriotism would make it right of Trump to steal Germany's masks. Fuck the idea that the citizens of any one country deserve to live more than those of another, sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:15 AM

Loop hole allows debt collectors to seize pandemic relief checks and social security checks from those in pandemic need.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:49 AM

Just heard on bbc news that the BCG (old tuberculosis vaccine) might work. That would make me happy, my sisters and I all had that. The BCG, not consumption.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:57 PM

Males are twice as likely to get infected. The reasons for that are social and the extra X chromosome in females. Breast milk may provide a bit of protection.

The line outside the grocery store was about a quarter mile long.
Distancing and one in one out policy is why.

Drivers are pent up and definetely out for themselves with a me first atttude.

No hamburger. No cleaning products. No frozen foods.

They had milk and cookies.

Grocery baggers are dieing despite being only in their 20's.

The supply chain is suffering.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:17 PM

Perhaps, too, we will finally start to understand patriotism more as cultivating the health and life of your community, rather than blowing up someone else’s community. Maybe the de-militarization of American patriotism and love of community will be one of the benefits to come out of this whole awful mess.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:55 PM

Men are not more likely to catch it, but they are more likely to die of it.

Also this: https://wsvn.com/news/us-world/smoking-weed-and-coronavirus-even-occasional-use-raises-risk-of-covid-19-complications/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:56 PM

And this:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.23.20026864v2


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 03:05 PM

Males are twice as likely to get infected. The reasons for that are social and the extra X chromosome in females. Breast milk may provide a bit of protection.

So I just need to find a compliant young mum then ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 03:41 PM

With regard to the BCG (protection against TB) vaccine, my sister and I both had it done at 14yrs old, but she recently got Covid.
By the way, she's home at last, very weak and a bit low, but thankful to be back in her Tayside village once more.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: fat B****rd
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 04:20 PM

Good to hear, Eliza x


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 04:42 PM

Thank you very much Charlie!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 05:21 PM

Oh Senoufou quel soulagement.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 06:04 PM

It is reccomended to not go shopping or to the drugstore this week of the peak. They didn't have apples or lettuce or tomatos or cabbage or meat anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 06:13 PM

Merci bcp Mrrzy, c'est vraiment un énorme soulagement.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Thompson
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 06:45 PM

We're having an advance viewing of the horrors that are coming our way if we don't reverse the climate crisis. However, people forget fast. They'll just start driving again as soon as this is over, and soon it will all be over.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 09:45 PM

Now now there is hope with the young


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 04:56 PM

Trump says he'll base decisions on "facts and instincts" - I haven't laughed that hard in weeks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 07:10 PM

instinct and fact is like going with his gut and underwear for proof.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 01:00 AM

how is iran doing? i have not heard anything for a while and the charts that i look at don't show current status.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 02:13 AM

Hi mg, this data is updated daily and if you click the link on the name of the country you are interested in it will show more detailed data and also charts. I've been looking at this every day.

COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 02:17 AM

The cause is probably education and the nature of their employment.

It has been pointed-out that the lower paid/out of work are represented at a higher percentage in the African-American community, and there is a lifestyle dimension too.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 06:09 AM

worrying opinions on the use of ventilators

Basically some respected medics in the US & Italy are saying that what they see is that COVD-19 causes a lack of oxygen, rather than pneumonia per se. And ventilating with positive pressure does cause lung damage and the sedation has side effects also. It is treatment, a patch, not a re-fit with new parts!
The bottom line is that COVID-19 is new and we are learning, and we do what has worked before. What is needed is not necessarily what was done before.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 08:35 AM

Mr Red
Ventilators are one means to oxygenate blood and remove CO2. It is not the best but is more available and cheaper.
When ventillated;
TOU CAN NOT EAT
YOU CAN NOT TALK
THE CHEAPEST NOURISHMENT IS GLUCOSE DRIP :(not good for diabetics)
20%+ effective in saving life
Sedation or medical Coma is not required but is considered more comfortable.

You've seen the oxygen hoods used as an alternative or intermediary treatment.
Mucus/ (different kind of sputum) from Covis 19 is thicker but not like a fluid suffocating pnumonia.
The X ray of Covid damaged lungs looks more cotton like than dark fluid filled lungs with other pnumonias..
There are attempts to drain lungs.
There are a bevy of medications being tried.

Yes there is room for specific improvement to address damage and symptoms. Standards of care is being treated like a one size fits all.
This is a common problem in all areas of medicine. Perhaps a novel alternative will prove promising by a risk taking smart doctor.

Or you could ask the Stable genius and self proclaimed scientist Steve Shaw for assistance. He is the one who condemened my early pandemic warning in January and did nothing for 2 months.

The clues are there for all to see but the next effective treatments are immunity plasma and vaccines.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 08:47 AM

If this was WW2 we are at the end of the beggining.
We have yet to discover 'radar' and 'enigma machine'.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 07:30 AM

The US is #1
   Woo Hoo !
The UK is #2
in viral infections


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 07:36 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 09:11 AM

Weirdly enough lying on your stomach improves your lung function and O2 saturation, if you're sick and having trouble with breathing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 11:41 AM

tru nuff

If you are far more comfortable resting on your left side, you may have a heart valve disorder. (or acid reflux or sore hip...)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 12:05 PM

It would be nice if medical recommendations and diagnoses on this forum come exclusively from qualified medical professionals. Cheers.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 09:36 AM

Mine do. I just don't post the link. You can look it up yourself, keeps boredom away.

Our abysmal failure is now being blamed on WHO to the point of defunding. I am ashamed of my government, again.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 10:11 AM

Deflection of his own guilt by the Orange-Utan (sic) currently stinking-up 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., DC 20500.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 05:02 PM

Virginia has extended its closure of nonessential businesses orders for 2 more weeks. Does not alter the stay-at-home order.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 08:44 AM

Now Covid virus has been found in nasal passages for up to 21 days after regaining health and getting positive antibody testing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 06:44 PM

"Sorry, Peons, Stay-at-Home Rules Don’t Apply to Ivanka Trump And Jared Kushner" -Vanity Fair


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 09:58 PM

My source of inside information has dried up. This does not bode well.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 10:51 PM

Oh dear.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 06:57 PM

RESDEMIMIR WORKS (ebola drug)

Oxychloroquin causes more harm and is stopped by several nations.

China revises death toll by 50%

!0 times the number of citizens have Covid 19 antibodies than early tests revealed. Immunity even with antibodies is now in question.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 08:37 PM

Resdemivir cnn


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Apr 20 - 01:01 PM

Latest from UK, on being questioned whether the government would lift the no recourse to public funds rules for illegal migrants so that those who are displaying symptoms feel safe to seek medical help if displaying symptoms rather than remain in the community the Communities Minister whose name is totally unmemorable stated that the government has no intention of doing so, and it would be down to individual local authorities to find the money for making provision if they so wish. We have a minister who is putting its hostile environment ideology before public health.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Apr 20 - 07:51 PM

Ok this is from a fox affiliate, but they quote science: https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/researchers-discover-new-coronavirus-symptoms-feet-lesions


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Apr 20 - 01:54 PM

From the Washington Post:

Europe resistant to apps for tracking spread of coronavirus


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Apr 20 - 02:18 PM

Nieman-Marcus goes bankrupt.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Apr 20 - 02:23 PM

Also some post-pandemic advice:

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/5-things-not-to-do-when-coronavirus-quarantine-lockdown-end/#ftag=CAD-00-10aag7d


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 07:22 AM

Have we all been had?

https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/17/8-more-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 08:08 AM

Exercise is good:https://www.dailyprogress.com/news/uva/exercise-an-effective-weapon-against-pandemic-uva-study-finds/article_b4725588-29d8-5d83-a06b-bed9fad60778.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 08:19 AM

I'm gaining weight. I don't do superfluous excercise.   I don't even copy and paste if links are not a blue clicky.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 08:41 AM

"Have we all been had?"

You have, guido jr., many times over.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 08:44 AM

Squats a compound exercise you can do anywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 09:07 AM

Gillymoor I have every confidence in my opinions. I am disappointed you continue the poitless exercise of ad hominem attacks. Are you of the leftward persuasion also?
I wonder what the the collective name for a plurality of experts should be?
A contradiction of experts perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 09:09 AM

2i is dissapointed, boo-frickety-hoo.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 01:10 PM

Gillymoor I have every confidence in my opinions.

That is what Mr Dunning & Mr Kruger found commonly.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 02:04 PM

Please people, stop posting misinformation. If you have information that a particular drug is effective, or ineffective, post a link to a publication in a peer reviewed journal and don't post at all. And Iains, the link in your post of 20 Apr 20 - 07:22 AM is complete crap from a bunch of tinfoil hat merchants. John Oxford used to have some credibility as a virologist, but in this case he should re-read what he wrote and reflect as to whether he was wise to say it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 02:22 PM

What *is* the group name for experts? A panel?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 05:48 AM

A pressure of

As in has-been drips under........................


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 07:31 AM

Posting actual news about the pandemic is practically thread drift at this point but there is actual news as you are awash in all virus news shows 24/7. The word to the wise today is remdesivir


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 08:56 AM

The virus is basically the same the world-over.

In fact one of the positive things about it, in terms of working on a possible vaccine, is that it shows very few & minor mutations wherever it's been tested (unlike common 'flu strains). This is thought to be because of its virulence, if it wasn't more virulent then we would probably see more mutation.

The reason that some otherwise healthy people succumb to the virus, is due to viral load - nothing to do with Johnson not being present at COBRA meetings or what this government has or has not done. If you expose anyone to a high-enough level of viral organisms, or expose them frequently to these organisms, then the viral population in effect overwhelms the immune response. This is what we see in healthcare workers.

If you put someone in an environment where lots of people (or things) around them are infected, or they are coming into close contact with someone (or something) with the virus frequently, then their viral load increases - nothing to do with Johnson not being present at COBRA meetings or what this government has or has not done. That's why distancing & hygiene are so important.

Viral load is person-specific. It doesn't spread. Someone with a higher-viral load doesn't shed the virus at a greater rate again nothing to do with Johnson not being present at COBRA meetings or what this government has or has not done.

The reason why isolating yourself is important if you're infected, is as much to keep yourself safe, as to avoid passing it on to others.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 09:13 AM

You may well be right about viral load. But I don't know why you attached Boris's non-attendance at those meetings (confirmed by Gove) to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 09:14 AM

Um, of course higher viral load means more virus-shedding. One sneeze from a low-load has fewer viri than one sneeze from high-load.

Bavaria has canceled Oktoberfest.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 10:12 AM

Hmm. Once the virus has incubated and you've become symptomatic, or even before that point, the initial virus load would no longer be particularly relevant. And the plural of virus is viruses.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 11:14 AM

Donuel, that is a study without a control group, of 53 patients. The number at the end who died was consistent within statistical errors with the Chinese studies without the drug. The article mentions that someone else plans to carry out a controlled study of 600 patients. That might give useful information, but not yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 11:20 AM

Bonzo:

"The virus is basically the same the world-over."


Is that right? It may be, but I have seen no study of regional variation in the virus. The Wikipedia page on SARS-COV-2 talks about the difference between it and pangolin viruses, but nothing on regional variation or lack of.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 11:22 AM

Bonzo again:

"The reason that some otherwise healthy people succumb to the virus, is due to viral load - nothing to do with Johnson not being present at COBRA meetings or what this government has or has not done. If you expose anyone to a high-enough level of viral organisms, or expose them frequently to these organisms, then the viral population in effect overwhelms the immune response. This is what we see in healthcare workers."

Again, can you point to a study to support this? A paper in Lancet maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 12:50 PM

No, they are wise words from a medical consultant in the family, no more, no less. I don't do studies, I only wear a minimal size anorak !!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: Flu ain't the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 02:31 PM

I wouldn't blame anyone for being impatient. Instant gratification is ingrained in our culture, machines and behavior.
Looking into an ebola drug is thinking outside the box.
Doing the double blind experiments takes a very long time followed by more time. What if there is a connection, what if there isn't?

The mysteries abound and confound.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 03:05 PM

"The virus is basically the same the world-over."

Is that right? It may be, but I have seen no study of regional variation in the virus. The Wikipedia page on SARS-COV-2 talks about the difference between it and pangolin viruses, but nothing on regional variation or lack of.


There has been research into regional variations. They use techniques that were used to prove archeological migration patterns "out of Africa" and all that. The report I saw was in the Telegrope, and it showed a correlation for Europe & Australia. China was different enough to throw a spanner in the homespun theories of transmission routes. I can't see a Tory bias making that up! The Telegrope is not that subtle.

AND

Yer viral overload results in an over-active immune response where the knowledgeable (on more considered TV) use words like cytokine storm. However you look at it, the body itself attacks you. Hence the temperature.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 05:15 PM

At first there was a rumor about a couple variants of covid 19 then they said it appears fairly stable and not susceptable to quick mutation. I'm a spectator like everyone else.

The culture war right wingers are ignoring stay at home advisories.
Those politicians who can be bought to open venues like the Vegas Strip and new Shopping Malls are making money. The true red Trumpers are going full goose bonkers to expose themselves to the virus. I will be a spectator to thier mass die off 3 weeks after their grand opening.
The highest fatality rates, which are still only estimations, is about 2%.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 07:17 PM

This just in on Onion news
More Republicans dieing of the pandemic than Democrats
is proof the virus has a bigotry against the right and is a never Trumper.

Militia General Ratner:
This liberal deep state bio warfare against the far right will not stand. "lock and load - or is it load and lock"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 02:29 AM

My day off - hooraaaaaaaaaay!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 05:40 AM

Is that the day you go to work?




I'll get my face mask......................


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 07:13 AM

No, I work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Friday - at home of course at the moment via Teamviewer to our office server. Not the most satisfactory way of working at the moment, because file transfer speeds have been slow this week.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 10:00 AM

If someone is put on a ventillator due to Covid 19 their chance for survival is only 20%. It is a rare enough event to recover, some hospitals have a protocol of celebrating a recovered patient's release with applause at the exit to the music of Rocky.

Those who are ventilated are put in a medical coma which sometimes leads to blood clots and pulmonary embollisms from the lack of movement. This results in leg amputations when clots are found early.

This 'coroner' virus is a brute but so is the standard care for serious cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 12:06 PM

And now this: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/first-u-s-coronavirus-fatality-found-three-weeks-earlier-than-previously-known.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 12:14 PM

Trump should extend his temporary freeze on immigration to a PERMANENT one - respecting Native American/Amerindian/First Nation "Land Rights"
.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 12:27 PM

Just what the world needs - more crap "poetry"[sic].


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 12:46 PM

David Carter UK,
the concept of 'Viral Load' was initially my opinion of one possible factor in infection as reasoned from a occams razor simplistic POV.

Age and Underlying conditions remains a known primary factor.

This 'load' factor is untested to my knowledge, so blame me for the speculation. I can not prove this load theory but I do not see that thinking should be discouraged.
^^^^^^^

The US Attorney General Bill Barr says if people sue to be free of what he calls house arrest, the governmnt will side against strict States and side with plaintiffs.
Bill Barr is on the side of genocide


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 01:04 PM

SING ALONG


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 02:26 PM

Also this is likely why that giy had his leg amputated: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/

Also survivors may be left with badly trashed kidneys and hearts, not just lungs.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 06:16 PM

it's bad for sure. a ray of good news this morning on twitter..out of a yale lab. look it up yourselves or don't believe me. your choice. said that tests via saliva vs. nasal swabs were superior in results. It seems it would also cut down on personnel. I wonder if all the genealogy labs working with saliva kits could be pressed into service or at least provide expertise. Would not require as much exposure of personnel.

I can not imagine that viral load would not be a huge factor. Constant reexposure, such as in a nursing home, must be really bad. there have to be explanations for the high number of deaths both of staff and residents, athough I do believe many were slow to institute lockdowns etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 09:12 AM

Not just the bottoms of the feet: https://kfor.com/news/covid-toes-puzzling-condition-a-possible-coronavirus-symptom-mostly-seen-in-young-people/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:47 AM

My local drug store is locked up. Nobody there to staff it?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:23 PM

This might be helpful, though not exactly new news: info on how long the virus lives outside people:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/how-long-covid-19-lives-on-surfaces


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:45 PM

While you don't have to eat meat, how long does virus live on raw refridgerated meats?

We don't know but Drs have said That Covid is a respiratory/eye/nose throat threat, its safe to eat Covid.

They really don't know, they just make best guesses.
Handling raw meat should be done VERY cautiously

Lots of meat packing plants are closed due to mass infections.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:42 PM

The packers, not the meat, are infected.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:49 PM

Elizabeth Warren just lost a brother to the virus.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 06:08 PM

Have you done experiments on how long the virus lives on moist raw meat?

A covid vaccine started human trials today. It contains the protien of the corona spikes.

There are about 70 entities developing vaccines.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 02:03 AM

UK human Trial in 2 Universities started.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 06:54 AM

Within thirty seconds of my arriving in the fruit and veg aisle in Bude Morrison's yesterday, a masked man and a masked woman, not with each other, barged within one foot of me at the bagged lettuce shelf. An unscientific sample of two, maybe, but it made me suspect that mask-wearing may not be the panacea...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 07:18 AM

I hope everyone puts a shot of Lysol in their coffee this morning per the suggestion of the Idiot in Chief.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 07:29 AM

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-drink-inject-disinfectant-bleach-us-dettol-rb-lysol-094417426.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 08:13 AM

I don't do the experiments but the reason the packing plants closed is the workers being too sick to pack, not the meat being contaminated.
I have already posted a link to how long this virus lives on various things. Dead meat is not a live host.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 08:20 AM

I gotta hunch that napalm destroys the corona virus better than lysol.
Ask your Dr.if this is good for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 10:21 AM

Stephen Fry Reveals How Right-Wing Media Crippled America’s Coronavirus Defense

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stephen-fry-fox-news-trump_n_5ea23e27c5b669fd8921e3a3


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 12:59 PM

My toes are officially curled. It's in the eyes, like ebola.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Researchers-found-coronavirus-in-a-patient-s-eyes-15223616.php


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 01:09 PM

I have noticed a great deal of pink eye among those interviewed on TV
Nurses, doctors, recovered patients etc.)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 01:28 PM

Now twitler is claiming that his disinfectant discourse last evening was sarcasm directed at reporters which was clearly not the case. There is no end to the mendacity.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 01:32 PM

Oh yeah? In their own words


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 07:32 PM

Local news (npr) said that in our area over a dozen emergency responses were made to people who had applied various disinfectants to their bodys


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 07:59 PM

20% increase in disinfectant poisoning


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 04:02 AM

Interesting to see where Agent Orange got his duff info from...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 05:57 AM

Arsenicum Alb might be considered helpful, despite idiot NHS doctors scorn of homeopathy!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 05:59 AM

Ah, you’re a qualified doctor and medical research specialist, as well as an accountant, Bonz?

Who knew?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 08:15 AM

Mercifully the White House reports that the Disinfector in Chief is going to pare back appearances at the daily task force "briefings" after turning tail before answering what would have been highly embarrassing disinfectant questions for him at last night's truncated "briefing".
Don't drink bleach.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 01:20 PM

Kim jong un is apparently probably dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 02:33 PM

Over on the UK Politics thread, I made a mistake when I replied to a post, not realising that it was a joke. As it happens, my reply there is more or less appropriate here:-


Never set any store on information that includes the word "apparently".

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 03:12 PM

Apparently probably is surely an oxymoron!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 03:26 PM

I wonder if the NK's sent Kim out with one of the anti-aircraft gun salutes that he was so fond of. Poor trump loses his soulmate.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 03:47 PM

Two rumours circulating - (1) Kim Jong Un is dead, and (2) he’s in a vegetative state after an operation to implant a stent went wrong. (nytimes).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 03:58 PM

He's been in a vegetative state his whole life. So what's new.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Apr 20 - 12:46 PM

CDC adds symptoms: https://abc7chicago.com/health/cdc-adds-6-new-possible-symptoms-of-covid-19/6130502/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Apr 20 - 12:50 PM

Posted this on wrong thread earlier, oops.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/23/21232665/north-korea-kim-jong-un-coronavirus-sick


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 26 Apr 20 - 05:07 PM

A Spoonful of Clorox by Randy Rainbow


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 20 - 08:16 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Apr 20 - 09:42 AM

Not yet news but will be soon: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/27/covid-19-quickly-kills-some-while-others-dont-show-symptoms-can-genetics-explain-this/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Apr 20 - 10:17 AM

It's got elements of hemorrhagic issues, young folks having strokes and apmutations, scary af:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/we-still-dont-know-how-the-coronavirus-is-killing-us.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 20 - 03:00 PM

Thats why I thought resdemivir was smart. ebola was hemmoragic.

An app mutation sounds like tech theft.

Most of our genetic information is unknown. They used to call it junk dna. It may contain info to combat long extinct threats. Most of the unknown dna has since been identified as instructions to make specific protiens.
Its not the number of our genes but the info inside them. Some worms have more genes than me.

Wouldn't it be great to just turn on the correct gene to battle covid 19 or find it and CRISPER it into your system? This would even give your descendants immunity. This kind of genetic medicine is only a possibility, not a reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Apr 20 - 10:09 AM

The opposite of hemorrhagic, oops, my bad:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/podcasts/post-reports/the-mysterious-clotting-in-covid19-patients/?itid=hp_audio-homepage-low-mweb_pr-main-player-low%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Apr 20 - 10:34 AM

Also inflammation of the blood vessels in children: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/health/children-covid-19-illness-intl-scli-gbr/index.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 20 - 11:40 AM

Virus are not alive like flora or fauna. Nor are they life but rather exist in a grey zone of biota. Are they dead or alive ?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Apr 20 - 03:03 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Apr 20 - 03:10 PM

300


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Apr 20 - 03:56 PM

Well, viruses contain protein and nucleic acid, they can reproduce and they are subject to natural selection. Debating as to whether they are alive or not is a bit pointless.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Apr 20 - 06:01 PM

Debating as to whether they are alive or not is a bit pointless.

But do viruses have rights?
DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Apr 20 - 07:26 PM

Meanwhile dogs are getting it too. Besides cats, I mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 04:14 AM

In NZ they are selling home deliveries of drinks called Lock Down

She be right, mate.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 08:20 AM

Hmmm... Smokers not at higher risk?

https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-smoking-nicotine.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 11:34 AM

And now hives.

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/covid-toes-hives-skin-conditions-133004928.html

I insist that my starting to get hives again after years is a sympton of stress and inactivity!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 11:41 AM

Aren’t hives those things that bees live in?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 12:08 PM

Nope. Them are skeps.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 12:14 PM

Nah, skeps are this big steel containers used to dump rubbish in....


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 12:19 PM

I always thought it was a hive of activity not inactivity.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 06:15 PM

Resdemivir makes progess reducing Covid symptoms by 4 days. Fauci gives it a thumbs up.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 06:32 PM

2 things in the Telegrope today.

1) they say experts are predicting the second wave will come in the winter. Sorry NZ, you have it licked, fer now, but............ There is a feeling that summer warmth and humidity will suppress COVID-19. And 'flu & colds (which sometimes are coronaviruses) typically show a seasonal variation.

2) the biggest vaccine manufacturer in the world is starting production on the Oxford Uni version (currently in human trials), switching from mumps etc. The Indian company is privately owned and the billionaire owner is able to make the bet not having sareholders/dividends to concern him. If he wins, he wins big. The Indian market is big enough on its own. Mind you, as I understand the methodology, it takes months to get the first batch.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 01:54 AM

Wiki on Remdesivir (re COVID-19)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 04:57 PM

I had quite a disturbing email from my sister yesterday. In it she explained she can't speak as her throat is so sore. Her lungs are very painful and she can hardly walk without gasping for breath. She isn't sleeping well and is terribly worried that the virus has damaged her permanently. She first developed it about five weeks ago, and was discharged from the hospital two weeks ago, after having had ventilation and being on a drip.
She used to be so active and fit, but she fears her life has become a limited existence of tottering around in a feeble state.
I've heard that it can have long-term/permanent effects post-virally.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 06:14 PM

Well that's difficult to say as the virus has only been around for four or five months. Take this as an optimistic remark.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 May 20 - 05:47 AM

Thanks Steve, I will. As you say, the virus hasn't been around long enough for the after-effects to be scientifically assessed. Anecdotal evidence doesn't carry much weight in my opinion. But being a retired doctor, she can see the gravity of her state, which is sad.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 May 20 - 09:59 AM

Forces à ta sœur, Senoufou.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 May 20 - 10:36 AM

I see Trump is back to claiming the virus originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology (which, if i understand correctly, closed abruptly about the time we began to hear about the virus beginning to become serious in China).

Curiouser and curiouser...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 May 20 - 11:12 AM

Merci bcp Mrrzy. J'ai soucis pour elle franchement, elle plonge en désespoire.
It is curious Backwoodsman. If that Virology place was so insecurely managed, it should be permanently closed and the 'resident' viruses killed off. But what Trump says gets madder and madder doesn't it? I'm afraid his cheese has completely slid off his cracker!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 01 May 20 - 02:58 PM

Its not "curious" at all. Just President Lying-Sack-Of-Shit desperately trying to shift blame for his serial fuckups to anyone and everyone he can think of.

And the brain-dead Trumpist dickheads will believe his conspiracy theory bullshit.

Be afraid.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: fat B****rd
Date: 01 May 20 - 03:58 PM

Sending late best thoughts Eliza.
Charlie x


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 20 - 04:04 PM

Understood but Senofou is using the word curious in a most wonderful way as in 'discovery' or seeking discovery.
Multiple organ damage may occur but there may be treatments for even that as in stem cell tretments from ones own body.
More time is needed.

Beware of rhetorical questions Mossback


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 May 20 - 04:32 PM

Thank you so much Charlie, your kind thoughts really help to reassure me.
At least my sister is eating properly - she has lots of batch-cooked meals in her freezer which she made long before the virus struck.
I see that Korea are now saying people cannot get Covid19 twice after all. That's encouraging isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 May 20 - 05:28 PM

Ooh that would be great.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 20 - 05:50 PM

Fauci has been working for decades to make a flu vaccine for ALL flu by working with the rod protein all flus share.

btw the White house has blocked Fauci from testifying in Congress


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 May 20 - 06:20 PM

"promised 100k tests a day by the end of April.

On 30th April, 122,347 tests were completed.

Promise made. Promise delivered"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 01 May 20 - 06:29 PM

Beware of rhetorical questions Mossback

Beware of reality and factual information, Don - you're sliding into Trumpism.

Bozo: Bullshit Stated - Bullshit Delivered.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 May 20 - 07:12 PM

"On 30th April, 122,347 tests were completed."

Not so, Mudcat's Croydon Eye. A third of those tests were sent out by post and no-one knows how many were either received on time or actually carried out.   Comment is free but facts are sacred.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 May 20 - 02:30 AM

Well done @MattHancock   All the doubters vanquished and the lefties now will have to find another issue to spread doom and gloom #testing


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 May 20 - 03:34 AM

Many BAME are suffering COVID19 (& rickets) in England (& New York) due to mass economic/CAPITALIST immigration in defiance of EVOLUTION - i.e., darker skin DOES need more sunlight for enough vitaminD to be healthy & we are too far from the equator for them; my poem, from WalkaboutsVerse on "Repatriating"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 May 20 - 03:42 AM

I'm determined to come out of lockdown with new stuff. I’ve just signed up for an online archeology course


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 May 20 - 03:50 AM

My husband had slight rickets when I first met him; his legs are a bit curved. He hadn't had a good diet from infancy (just white rice and a few vegetables).
The sun in his homeland is very strong of course, but it didn't seem to rectify the lack of vitamin D. He takes supplements now, and eats plenty of vitamin D-rich food.
Bonzo, archaeology sounds extremely interesting! I agree it's a good idea to profit from the Lockdown and study something.
(for me - Crumpetology?)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 May 20 - 03:57 AM

Archaeology eh, Bonz? A very appropriate course to be studied by an Anachronism.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 May 20 - 04:21 AM

Think about the wording!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 May 20 - 09:29 AM

Bame?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 20 - 11:22 AM

Don't ask, he'll just send more bad poetry your way.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 May 20 - 11:33 AM

BAME:- Black, Asian, minority ethnic.

i.e. non white.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 May 20 - 12:18 PM

bonzo , i notice your posts are a trifle dogmatic


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 20 - 12:40 PM

Hows this for dogmatic

1. Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.
2. Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.
3. Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.
4. Oh the First World War, boys
It came and it went
The reason for fighting
I never did get
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.
5. When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.
6. I've learned to hate the Russians
All through my whole life
If another war comes
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.
7. But now we got weapons
Of biological dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.
8. Through isolation days
I've heard old war cries
between the blues and greys
Reds say $ is above lives
Some blame it on the yellow
You'll have to decide
Who rings most hollow
had God on his side.
9. So now as I'm coughin'
I'm weary as hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
no tongue can tell
I hear myself sayin
if God's on our side
He'll stop the next war
and won't let it hide.

Walkabout Don


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 May 20 - 05:38 AM

"bonzo , i notice your posts are a trifle dogmatic"

So they are! Our greyhound in her lockdownness decided to dig a hole in the lower level of our garden this morning until I bribed her away with treats!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 May 20 - 08:27 AM

Ah, thanks. Like POC.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 20 - 09:09 AM

Kids being potty trained are virtually immune to Covid 19 so Trump suggested older people could shit their pants for similar results :^/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 May 20 - 09:14 AM

Happy (silent) hypoxia

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/happy-hypoxia-unusual-coronavirus-effect-baffles-doctors


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 20 - 12:08 PM

The coming pandemic -Austrailian documentary version
Is highly informative!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 20 - 12:10 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/happy-hypoxia-unusual-coronavirus-effect-baffles-doctors

good catch Mrrzy


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 May 20 - 06:16 PM

Also this, which I find encouraging:

Hey I can do blickies again!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 20 - 06:21 AM

47D11 go team go


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 05 May 20 - 08:23 AM

Trump's push to prematurely open up could be deadly:

NYTimes


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 20 - 08:30 AM

I heard it will magically disappear in April
Is it April yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 May 20 - 09:44 AM

Children have been being misdiagnosed, rather than not getting it, as it seems to present differently:

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 May 20 - 09:57 AM

It's not news yet but interesting research is being done on twins and siblings, seems symptomology roughly 50% genetics so far...

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 20 - 11:27 AM

The twins and sibs cited in this article lived together in the same environment and had underlying health risks.

“These deaths alert people to the fact that this could be genetic, but when people live together they share an environment as well,” Spector said. The upshot is that twins who live together are more likely to have similar lifestyles and behaviours, from diet and exercise habits to how quickly they seek medical care. Twins are not generally less healthy than the wider population. . . . “When twins or siblings tragically die with Covid-19 that captures our attention, but that doesn’t mean there’s any particular reason to think twins or siblings are at greater risk.”


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 20 - 12:37 PM

Fatsos beware.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 06 May 20 - 02:27 PM

" Live And Let Die."

You can't make this shit up.

HEIL TRUMP!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 May 20 - 11:20 AM

Argh. My uncle is dying of old age and his old folks' home won't even let his children come say goodbye, let alone meeeeeeeee.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 20 - 05:07 PM

Latest lunacy from a USAian - a federal judge in the US has ordered Massachusetts authorities to allow gun shops to reopen, suggesting a rule to close them during the coronavirus crisis imposed an “improper burden” on the constitutional rights of citizens.

Gun shops were closed in March along with other businesses deemed non-essential.

However, some purchasers, retailers and gun rights groups sued, arguing it was an unconstitutional ban on acquiring firearms and ammunition for self-defence purposes.

US district judge Douglas Woodlock said he would direct the state to allow gun shops to reopen on Saturday with social distancing measures.

Absolute bollocks


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 May 20 - 01:39 PM

Seriously.

Also this:

Apparently blood thinners help, not with preventing it but with surviving it: blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 20 - 04:54 PM

Guess who makes the world supply of blood thinners?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 20 - 05:08 PM

The realistic number of those infected in the US is somewhere between a minimum of 10 million and a maximum of unknown.

The stated infected numbers are arrant nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 May 20 - 06:46 PM

There is no "world supply" of blood thinners. Go chew some willow bark, or eat a lot of garlic, or befriend an organic chemist...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 May 20 - 03:48 AM

Wise thoughts concerning care homes:

"With and without irregularities what did they expect to happen to the geriatrics? Attendees can't keep social distance if they have to wash them, feed them, move them, changing sheets, medicating...
Doctors and employees don't live there... they have to move, they are potential virus carriers.

Just like us if we go visiting "unnecessarily"

And we can also infect being asymptomatic!"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 20 - 05:16 AM

That's all true except for the fact that we're not allowed to visit. I used to see my mum four times a week. I haven't seen her now for two months. The other hazards you mention are very difficult to reduce.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:18 AM

The US relies on China for 90% of antibiotics.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china

When it comes to Heparin
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-110hhrg53183/html/CHRG-110hhrg53183.htm

The US will not join or speak to the 8 Billion Euro vaccine quest.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:45 AM

Siegfried lost Roy


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:48 AM

Anyone heard of Hydronium ? H3 O+

I was listening to a Youtube video about Lithium Ion batteries and the guy who developed GM's batteries until 7 years ago when he went to china to develop Lithium Ion for CATL. A big fish in battery technology who also majored in biology as a student.

The subject came up about Tygrus (Troy, Michigan) who had an improved method of obtaining it. No mention of volumes or cost.

But what was said is that it is benign to Eukaryotes (anything built from cells with a cell wall - like us) and kills 99.999% of viruses, in one minute (he pointed out kill was a misnomer but you get the idea). What was not said was its effect on bacteria (non eukaryotic), which I would compare to penicillin in that if it kills so many bacteria there are side-effects, like the shits.

My point here is: "is this the disinfectant that Twitler referred to?". Him being limited on any subject that doesn't include him.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 May 20 - 10:16 AM

Tygrus on LinkedIn

About Us
Tygrus is a platform technology company that has innovative, proprietary chemistries and systems for use across a wide range of industries from water and industrial waste stream remediation to industrial cleaning solutions and food processing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 20 - 01:50 PM

Sounds like hydronium could also make a wet battery heavier than lithium. I'm spitballing like Trump.

Most water will have some hydronium in it


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 May 20 - 12:50 PM

An NHS worker we know, when asked - if the NHS Nightingale hospitals are empty, why are Covid 19 patients in our private hospitals, replied that maybe because it limits the travel of the virus. If people isolated as locally as possible, maybe it contains the virus to the area that they are in. Rather than taking the virus to another area where the virus already is too, and making the virus stronger there.

A lot of sense in that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 20 - 02:41 PM

Shanghai opens Disneyland singing "its a microscopic world afterall"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 May 20 - 04:35 PM

New symptomogies here.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 20 - 04:52 PM

More than four months of clinical experience across Asia, Europe and North America has shown the pathogen does much more than invade the lungs. “No one was expecting a disease that would not fit the pattern of pneumonia and respiratory illness,” said David Reich, a cardiac anesthesiologist and president of Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City.

It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm. It savages kidneys so badly some hospitals have run short of dialysis equipment. It crawls along the nervous system, destroying taste and smell and occasionally reaching the brain. It creates blood clots that can kill with sudden efficiency and inflames blood vessels throughout the body.


Talk about a moving target.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 May 20 - 02:40 AM

Covid toes
it can present with skin problems, a bit like chilblains I have heard.

We have seen almost a hive-like rash ............ It’s hard for us to know if this is a viral manifestation or an immune response

- Right Oh, right toe.






I'll get my surgical gown.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 20 - 02:47 PM

Cytokine Storm

How an immune system has evolved, developed, how efficient, super efficient or lacking all play a role in the response to Covod 19. It is not surprising that various immune reponses act differently.

Sorry that merely understanding this does not help.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 May 20 - 05:31 AM

It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell I would dispute the contention that we would not expect it to affect any of our muscles. Ask anyone who had ME/Yuppy 'flu/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The virus (Epstein Barr, Cocksackie B, etc) lives in the muscles and every time you get a cold the muscles weaken. It re-awakens the virus. FWIW Glandular Fever is a manifestation of the Epstein Barr virus and that is a chronic condition.

In the 80s, my doctor thought it was psychological, I insisted on a second opinion, I had the tests, and the specialist said "you had a virus". "Which one?" says I. "We don't know".

Thanks - but that is what I told the bloody doctor in the first place.
3 years later I saw a TV prog and my evidence fitted about ½ of all symptoms. In a syndrome you don't get them all.

My solution at the time was to fight it, eg run up stairs and get the pain at the top, not on each step. Apparently fighting psychologically is deemed a good methodology. But how fit would I be now without that burden? Who knows, you habituate to the new norm, like a poorer short term memory. It is what it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 20 - 09:24 AM

Men have more of an enzyme that helps Covid to enter cells of the heart kidney and lungs.

Avoid buffets like the plague.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 20 - 08:32 PM

Good News - The death toll was overestimated by half according to Trump and Dr. Birx.

The 'inflated' death total included people who only had the virus but died from falling down stairs, or that they were going to die anyway and didn't die directly from Corona virus.

Dr. Fauci said the opposite. The numbers are under estimated.

Trump responded "I like the numbers where they are, I don't want the numbers to double. Dr. Fauci is unacceptable."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 May 20 - 12:52 AM

Donuel, I sometimes enjoy your posts but among the things for which I am grateful is that you are not a journalist. Your reporting is specious.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:27 AM

Since Dave Berry is retired I gotta do my own Dave Berry.
By using anachronistic facts, the absurdity shines even brighter.
Hey Ebbie this milk smells funny...you drink it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 May 20 - 09:53 AM

Barry, dude.

Loud talking:https://m.jpost.com/health-science/loud-speech-can-leave-coronavirus-in-air-for-up-to-14-minutes-study-627972/amp

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:46 PM

Former CDC Intel Officer Dr. Rishi Desai on Why It's Hard to Get a Grip on the Coronavirus Pandemic

It is 50 minutes long, but one thing caught my attention. The doc was saying the virus, when it finds its way to the bloodstream, results in a reduced ability for the blood to transport oxygen. Which supports the contention I have seen elsewhere (and posted here) that ventilating, per se, is not that effective.

And Sir Peter Piot (formost authority on pandemics!) has done videos on the effects of the virus that he has only just got through, er still recovering!
He tells of kidney damage, lack of strength, and more.

When you put it together with the lack of oxygen in the blood, - organ damage is understandable. Peter Piot is saying "You don't want this disease".

I believe him, I believe him!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:51 PM

lack of oxygen in the blood, and headaches? wasn't that one of the symptoms?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 20 - 04:08 PM

There is a benefit to putting patients in a coma with a ventllator but it benefits doctors and nurses in terms of being able to tend to people who are conscious and breathing. It is true that sometimes forcing air into sore lungs is beneficial.
It is partly a matter of emotional relief. Some people are stressed hearing a baby cry. Hearing 200 people choking to death is stressful.
I would not condemn anyone who has to make survival choices when there are so few choices one can make.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 May 20 - 07:56 AM

Good views of US data here

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/USA-TRENDS/dgkvlgkrkpb/index.html?utm_source=digg


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 May 20 - 08:19 AM

And international pretty graphs here


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 May 20 - 07:39 PM

Lets decide not to rush to a vaccine
When Gerald Ford was President we had an epidemic of swine flu. They rushed a vaccine to market in only six months. We got to see Gerry get his shot on TV. Something else was brewed inside the eggs that grew the vaccine. It was a rare nerurological disease called petite Barr syndrome. I got the shot in the morning and by the time I was doing the dishes after lunch the brew reached my motor nerves. It was as quick as a light switch. One second I'm wiping a dish and suddenly I was on the floor with the odd sensation of no sensation of controling my muscles. I thought of my cello teacher who was struck by polio for his lifetime. It was months before the reason for my collapse was reluctantly made clear. I had time for many thoughts and wonders.
The biggest wonder was discovering the automatic switch to somehow raise myself back to standing on my feet.

It was similar to being shot at but missed. But thats another story.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 20 - 09:32 AM

And what about llamas? You guys hear about this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/16/llama-coronavirus-antibodies-study-benefits


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 May 20 - 12:54 PM

Interesting that Croydon University Hospital now only holds 50 coronavirus cases - down from 250 a short while ago, thus proving success of lockdown.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 20 - 01:30 PM

Good news, that.

Interesting advice here:

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/are-you-wearing-gloves-a-mask-to-the-shops-you-might-be-doing-it-wrong/amp


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 May 20 - 05:55 AM

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/are-you-wearing-gloves-a-mask-to-the-shops-you-might-be-doing-it-wrong/amp

From what I am hearing, vitamin D is generally helpful in limiting the widespreadness/severity of a lot of viruses. My question is regarding the correlation between the seasonal variations of 'flu-like infections and vitamin D production when sunshine is more prevalent. I feel sure it has been well researched, - enough for me to get the tablets, despite the sunny days we are experiencing. Lockdown means I am indoors much more. And dosage levels and toxicity are far apart with vitamin D, apparently. eg 15 µg cf 100 max safe recommended, though even that is not widely certain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#Immune_system


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 May 20 - 06:53 AM

"Croydon University"

Surely the juxtaposition of these two words is an oxymoron...? :-)

I should think that the government is hoping against hope that summer will largely nobble the virus, at least for a time. It isn't easy to work out why some viruses are seasonal. Sunshine and Vitamin D may be a factor but it's hard to pin down as such. I suppose high UV levels will help to shorten the viability of viruses on outdoor surfaces, including human skin and clothing, and in aerosols. As they say in Tesco, every little helps.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 20 - 07:29 AM

What are the results of the pandemic?:

The US is 4.3 % of the global population

but has 30% of the deaths from Covid globally

Today
Global deaths      315,000
United States deaths 95,000

WE ARE #1


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 May 20 - 08:44 AM

Go


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 May 20 - 08:45 AM

Oops twitchy.

Canada crashed plane doing thank-you flyover, oops. Let's just all clap at 7pm, ok?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 20 - 08:21 AM

Dr. Agent-Orange MD at it again, recommending Hydroxychloroquine and boasting that he takes it to prevent being infected by Covid-19.

And Americans seriously propose to elect this completely insane geriatric to be their President again?

God Help America!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 19 May 20 - 09:25 AM

With any luck, the dumb bastard will kill himself.

Unless, of course, its simply one more lie to gull his moron cult members.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 20 - 09:34 AM

Ha! What’s one more lie amongst the myriad that have gone before...??


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 May 20 - 09:58 AM

Speaking of lies...

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/world/worldometer-coronavirus-mystery/

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 20 - 11:40 AM

For weeks I've been trying to stave off the issue of a dodgy tooth until this lot is over. So far so good. When I was at the B&M (aaargh) checkout this morning with my two bottles of mouthwash, the woman told me excitedly that, as long as I kept using it, I wouldn't catch Coronavirus. Poor woman.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 May 20 - 12:00 PM

Good luck with that tooth!

John Glenn's widow, at 100. Merde.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 20 - 01:06 PM

If you see a rabbit during their outbreak let me know


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 May 20 - 09:28 PM

Just whay we need. Rabbit Ebola.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 May 20 - 02:32 AM

Dr. Agent-Orange MD at it again, recommending Hydroxychloroquine and boasting that he takes it to prevent being infected by Covid-19.

‘This will kill you’:


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 20 - 07:21 AM

Dr. Strangevil declared the highest number of infections and death has earned the USA a Badge of Honor.

Also down is up. evil is good, death is best and ignorance is genius.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 20 - 11:32 AM

Oh for cryin' out loud.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/trump-worlds-most-coronavirus-cases-badge-of-honor-good-bad-thing.amp


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 20 - 11:43 AM

And worse: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/national-guard-deployments-to-fight-coronavirus-will-end-day-before-benefits-kick-in.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 20 - 11:55 AM

And different:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/europe/coronavirus-mink-netherlands-testing-intl/index.html

The bat at the Mudcat Tavern is happy to read this.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 May 20 - 01:31 PM

Somebody help me out here....

One of the legitimate uses for hydroxychloroquine is the treatment of lupus. But lupus patients are having a hard time getting their prescriptions filled because of a shortage caused by people using the drug as an unproven and very dubious treatment for COVID-19.

What I would like to know is this:

Hydroxychloroquine is a regulated prescription drug. The only way to get it is if a doctor signs a prescription. So how are enough people getting hold of it to create a shortage? Are doctors not ethically barred from prescribing potentially harmful drugs when there is no evidence that they will benefit a patient? Has advertising prescription drugs to the general public so broken the system that a patient feels he has a right to simply tell a doctor what drug to prescribe? And does the doctor then just write the scrip, consequences be damned?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 20 - 01:39 PM

You probably don't know many doctors, Royals, Reality TV stars, CEO's or Congressmen.
They can all be surprisingly stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 May 20 - 03:48 PM

You're right, Don. I guess I tend to believe that doctors are inherently intelligent and moral creatures. Probably watched too many episodes of "Marcus Welby, MD."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 May 20 - 04:04 PM

If you'd watched M*A*S*H you'd know there are quite a few Frank Burns out there.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 20 - 07:32 PM

While there were more screw ups on ER, my fav is House MD.
IRL how many docs prescribed OXY, Celebrex, Farixa (causes genital gangrene) or worse things...

There are more doctors who do not listen - than virus in 1 pound of soil. I can't prove that but you get my point.
Nurses are not hired to hawk snake oil, skin creams or Hydroxy cut.

And while I'm ranting, Covid 19 has exceeded the number of symptoms one disease should have. Its being more of a hog than Swine flu. :<[


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 20 - 08:23 AM

The Navaho nation in New Mexico is the largest hot spot in the country

My father married a pure Navaho
My people were ashamed where ever we go
The Indians said I was white by law
The White Man always called me "Indian Squaw"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We never settled, went from town to town
When you're not welcome you don't hang around
The other children always laughed at me
"Give her a feather, she's Navaho"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We weren't accepted and I felt ashamed
Nineteen I left them, tell me who's to blame
My life since then is reservations
But I can't run away from what I am
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
Si-lence, that's all that I hear
Si-Lence, with no intensive care
Si-lence, cuz the virus killed them all
Now one side's against me till the day that I fall


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 22 May 20 - 01:51 AM

I am very concerned about people just blowing off hydroxychloraquine and chloraquine (I will combine them here and call them HX) because trump endorsed it. And might profit from it. Of course he will. Although I would bet he would profit more off the very expensive remsivir??? HX is taken by millions of people per year. It has been around since the 1940s. It works in synergy with zinc and vitamin d is a good supplement. They know what the safety parameters are in a non-diseased population, in a population with malaria and a population with lupus or RA. They don't know parameters of it taken with other medicines, vitamins, etc. They don't know everything about treating other diseases yet. They probably do not know the optimal dose. They probably don't know at what stage of the disease it is most effective, and the varying doses needed per stage. Many countries that use it believe earlier will prevent advanced stages in many people. So there is much that is known and much that is not known. You do have to throw spaghetti at the wall in a violent, fatal pandemic. They say doctors and pharmacists are getting prescriptions for themselves and families and contributing to the shortage. They should protect the supply for people with lupus, although faced with a painful but not immediately fatal disease vs. imminent death, it would be a hard choice. I have read, confirm for yourself, that it is very cheap, broadly manufactured, manufactured in places with high standards, such as switzerland etc. Producing too much would not be a problem because it could be used for malaria. Read up on the usage in other countries. Read what doctors say. Keep Trump totally out of the picture. If he says applesauce works you can bet he has cornered the applesauce market and will profit. Ignore trump, read what the doctors say, and ask again and again how many of these terrible heart problems are they actually seeing ? Some to be sure. Should give EKG first if there is time. There has not been time to do everything perfectly. Giving it to someone to prevent malaria vs. giving it to someone on death's door is two different things. Read everything you can and don't politicize this and write off what seems to be a life-saving medicine. And I am not really into abuse and I will as usual screen through to be sure I don't read what one person has to say and be cautious about others.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 20 - 07:10 AM

When you are first told there is nothing you can do but hide, it is reassuring to do somthing. I wouldn't take away anyone's symbol of hope be it prayer or an inoculous promise of help.

The trouble begins with harmful promises. If a low dose non injurious treatment by green laser light, the same one at strength used in surgury, was proven to help I too might take the risk. When a treatment was proven unsafe in the hands of people who think more is better I would not take the risk.

Overall, trusting a Shaman, disabled president or a hunch is not the way to go for the enlightened.

You are free to choose to be enlightened or an idiot. Some people do not have a choice.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 22 May 20 - 10:13 AM

I am very concerned about people just blowing off hydroxychloraquine and chloraquine .......write off what seems to be a life-saving medicine.

There. Is. No. Evidence. That. Either. Drug. Is. Of. Any. Value. In. Treating. Coronavirus.

Has nothing to do with the opinion of the turd in the White House.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 May 20 - 11:53 AM

Exactly, Mossback.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 20 - 03:57 PM

NOT exactly .
Resdemivir is an anti viral drug developed in the fight against Ebola and has the scientific 'blessing' of Dr. Fauci and others. It is known when it is most efficatious, as it blocks viral infection of additional cells.    Let the trumpers buy up all the hydroxy and leave the resdem for us. :~}


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 May 20 - 06:48 AM

the problem with any drug that people think will work. It can become the de facto, the go to, and people en mass may not look to other things. Like ones that have some evidence-based efficacy.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 May 20 - 08:42 AM

It does weird clotting things to placentas: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/health/placenta-covid-19-wellness/index.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 20 - 03:16 PM

Your mission if you decide to accept it, is to finesses a quarter to half a million people to kill themselves for the benefit of the treasury dept. We will disavow any knowledge of your mission.
Operation 'reopen' should prove more ambitious than the failed self deportation and build the wall missions. We suggest you begin by fomenting war betwen the govenors.
This post will self destruct in one view.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 May 20 - 07:03 PM

I've been looking at various data sites, and Virginia seems to have about a third of the average/typical death rate, roughly .02 to everybody else's .06.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 20 - 09:30 PM

No proof but Virginia probably lies better. It is nearly impossible to get the # of infections perfectly between (.02-.03) even with perfect testing. But its better to be lucky than right. My county has more dead than the entire state of VA?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 May 20 - 11:03 AM

Charlottesville itself has 4%.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 20 - 07:27 PM

localities are harder to manipulate than fed controled numbers from the states. Egad I sound like a conspiracy dude.
You do relize Trump has the pandemic numbers official classified.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:31 AM

The President of Austria, Alexander van der Bellen, has been fined for breaking the country's current rules re. Corona virus "lock-down". According to the BBC, a policeman noticed the President and his guests at a Restaurant after midnight, although such premises have to close by 11pm. The President has both apologised, and agreed to pay the fine and reimburse the Restaurant's owner should he too be fined. How different from the home lives of our own dear leaders. He should have worn a very expensive and distinctive waistcoat, so that the Polis would know his place.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 20 - 05:45 AM

Asa Hutchinson "americans need to be disiplined to face reopening"
???
We NEED to reopen our churches, brothels, tattoo parlors and casinos
No matter what people want

Twitter has begun to add fact checking links to Trump Tweets in the interest of public health and safety.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 May 20 - 01:35 PM

Well, my poor poor sister has regressed considerably. (I got an update this morning.) Her lungs are filling up all night long and she's fighting for every breath, so isn't sleeping. She can hardly dress herself with the exhaustion and weakness.
Anyone getting fed up with staying at home and social distancing etc should read her emails. They're heartbreaking. If people could only see what this illness can do, they'd obey the rules and support their continuation as long as necessary.
It isn't just 'surviving' the thing, it's the possibly permanent damage to one's health that is very concerning.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 20 - 01:45 PM

I've not heard of such an extensive exerience of covid 19 before.
Did she mention anything about reinfection or other diagnosis?
May she
get well soon ALREADY!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 May 20 - 03:48 PM

Thank you so much Donuel.
I've heard of many people who just can't seem to get rid of the lung problem. I sometimes look at Mumsnet (mainly women's comments) and there's a thread there called 'Covid Lungs'. The thread has filled to the 1000 maximum several times, with countless women still struggling several weeks/months after contracting Covid19.
I think, from what my sister has said, that the virus actually damages the lung tissue, and this can cause lasting health problems.
All the more reason for everyone to Stay Safe, stick to Lockdown and obey the rulings. It's tedious, but these health repercussions are so much worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 May 20 - 07:57 AM

This makes an interesting point - loud music in pubs is a hazard, since it forces people to shout, which spreads the virus. The same must go for all gatherings with high amplification.

Superspreader events

I found the recent accounts of spread in American meat packing plants interesting - they say it's because they're noisy and workers have to shout. When I worked in one of the biggest abattoirs in the world in the 1970s, NOBODY shouted - you walked up to people if you had something to say. The reason being that it was SO noisy that shouting was hopeless.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 May 20 - 09:47 AM

Sending best thoughts as always, Eliza
Charlie X


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 May 20 - 10:59 AM

Thank you so much Charlie!
She has always been such a powerhouse of energy, with many activities and physical sports, and it's so worrying how weak and helpless she's become. I thought she was nearly back to normal, but now this.
At least she is very popular in her Scottish village in Tayside and everyone is rallying round with deliveries and support.
It's a dire warning isn't it to do everything one can to avoid getting this blooming Lurgy?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 May 20 - 05:06 PM

J'en suis navré(e) ma chère Senoufou! I had been worrying. I hear truly nasty things about recovering after being really deeply ill with this virus, permanent organ damage, horrible stuff. La pauvre. And poor you, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:26 PM

Jack, thanks for the comments about noisy environments and shouting. Along those lines, I'll mention that the bishops of my church are against resuming services, and one reason is that people singing can send germs 26 feet. Surely they must mean opera singers, but still...

I have read that another problem with the packing plants is that the workers are so close together.
================
Senoufou, I'll say a prayer for your sister. I hope her former athletic and energetic activities provide a strong foundation of good health which will enable to overcome this new challenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:36 PM

Senoufou we send our best wishes to your sister.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 May 20 - 03:46 PM

Thank you Mrrzy, leeneia and Bonzo for your kind wishes. It's lovely to have your support on here. I'm many hundreds of miles away from my sister, and her daughters too are far away in Edinburgh and can't get to see their mum. She said in her e mail that she can't even talk on the phone.
Obviously, many people recover well,and others have no symptoms and don't realise they've had 'it'. I'm not sure about this 'easing of the lockdown' which the UK government is setting in motion.
People may do as they wish, but I'm a bit scared to expose myself to catching Covid19 and will probably continue to stay away from public places.
I sincerely hope everyone on Mudcat stays safe too.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 20 - 08:20 AM

Los Vegas prostitutes are now offering curb side pick up.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 20 - 10:26 AM

And the bat from the Tavern is happy to read about pangolins again!


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