BS: New news *not* about the virus

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 10:42 AM

Another volcano is erupting. This is also not about the pandemic. From Bad To Worse: La Soufrière Volcano Continues To Erupt

Unless this is particularly troublesome to load, it's best to keep the BS topics to one thread per topic. Someone just started the recipe thread is too long, and they had to be grouped so the first one could be found.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 02:17 PM

Hmmm. Maybe for the New News About The Virus thread?

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 10:19 AM

It sounds like the EU has been struck a horrible blow by the pandemic:

EU and COVID-19: When a vaccine only adds to the trouble

COVID-19 has wrought division in the European Union

BRUSSELS -- European Union leaders no longer meet around a common oval summit table to broker their famed compromises. Instead, each of the 27 watches the other heads of state or government with suspicion via a video screen that shows a mosaic of faraway capitals.

This is what COVID-19 has wrought.

Lofty hopes that the crisis would encourage a new and tighter bloc to face a common challenge have given way to the reality of division: The pandemic has set member nation against member nation, and many capitals against the EU itself, as symbolized by the disjointed, virtual meetings the leaders now hold.

Leaders fight over everything from virus passports to push tourism to the conditions for receiving pandemic aid. Perhaps worse, some attack the very structures the EU built to deal with the pandemic. Last month, Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz decried how vaccine-buying in the bloc had become a “bazaar,” alleging poorer countries struck out while the rich thrived.

"Internal political cohesion and respect for European values continue to be challenged in different corners of the Union," the European Policy Center said in a study one year after the pandemic swept from China and engulfed Europe. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 09:11 AM

Virginia legalizes recreational weed!

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Apr 21 - 02:36 PM

Charlotteville will be allowed to remove the confederate statues! Yay!

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 21 - 01:55 PM

The number of sexual assault court cases against Trump is increasing.
It could become further complicated should he test positv for syphillus. A particularily nasty spirocette which ann play hide and seek.
Trump will not make it public like Reagan did with his dementia. Two years prior to Reagan's announcment by letter, I had said on local Rochester TV on a panal of psychologists that "Reagan had obvious organic brain disease". No one else had the guts to agree with me.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 21 - 07:37 AM

An inside look at the response to unaccompanoed child immigrants is that most agencies in the government are being asked to volenteer to go to go and help on the border and elsewhere. Its all hands on deck.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Mar 21 - 03:35 PM

Thanks, keb!

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 21 - 07:20 AM

This is what the sun will look like after it burns out

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 09:24 PM

Holy Moly. I didn't know about Caproni Macaroni
I was at LaGuardia when it celebrated its Clipper flying boats & pier right off the airport restaurant and remember flying on the 'luxury' DC3's.

The Mars Perseverence has a piece of the Wright brother's biplane aboard.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 08:34 PM

Move over Simple Flying. Caproni
had this beat by a factor of 3 90 years ago!

And did it fly?

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 06:30 PM

move over Red Baron there is a new tri wing plane

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 05:01 PM

King Tut
Steve Martin, Steep Canyon Rangers


Ted Cruz (Big Bad Cruz)
Now when he was a young man,
He never thought he'd see
People stand in line to get the vaccine.
(King Cruz) How'd you get so funky?
(Funky Cruz) Do you think you're funny?
Born in MexAlberta,
Moved to Texas border (King Cruz).
(King Cruz) I should have known
That he'd run for the border
when Texas had an ice storm
and then blamed it on his daughter. (King Cruz)
He can read Dr. Seuss (Funky Cruz)
He's my favorite honky!
Born in Mex Alberta,
Moved to Texas border (King Cruz)
Dancin' in the Senate, (Disco Cruz)
The ladies love his belly, (Flabby Cruz)
Stonin all the immigrants (Rockin' Cruz)
Doesn't give a shit.
He gave his life for trumpism.
Whataguy!
Alberta didn't wantem.

Now, when I die
Don't think I'm bein rude, (King Cruz)
Don't want no fancy funeral
Jus'one like unshaven Cruz. (King Cruz)

He coulda been a hoser, (Ted Cruz)
Instead he is a joker
Born in Mex Alberta, moved to Lone Star border
born in Old Moose Ache, now gotta condo made of cake
Big bad Cruz!

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 03:10 PM

That's a good laugh is that. You are the crown prince of misinformation on this forum.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 03:01 PM

I would share your outrage over deliberate misinformation. God knows PHD's make mistakes too but the spirit of truth and discovery are still respected. Pithy arguements over persona or historic points of view are a side dish and not the main course. Those kinds of food critics are of no help to those hungry for truth in this millenium of great lies.

We will differ from experience on matters of health, mental imaging and healing. While both atheists we will differ on aspects of religion.
Viva l'difference. It helps one think. It doesn't help when one has unfounded predjudice. Jealousy is a simmering hate I couldn't afford or want.

To keep perspective mudcat BS is a sub mud puddle beneath a forum of ancient to modern lyrics and music that is Smithsonian Collection worthy much like their collection of coprolytes.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 01:42 PM

"People with empathy will disregard any such hateful contrayian BS and pity the chronic pain of its author. Countless apologies usually follow the offensive insults in hundreds of cases. Like Trump behavior, it is not likely to change at this point. A belief that being a guardian of truth and precision justifies such behavior is fortunately a rare and narcissistic trait, except in social media.
As always your faithful defender and friend."

You sound jealous... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 12:49 PM

No-one is sitting on anyone. We have an awful lot of peddled misinformation at times on this website, often in matters concerning science and dietary matters, not to speak of vaccine denial. It isn't good, and it behoves each of us to check facts before posting affirmations about matters scientific. Please don't argue for "say what you like and be invulnerable to being called out."

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 11:14 AM

People with empathy will disregard any such hateful contrayian BS and pity the chronic pain of its author. Countless apologies usually follow the offensive insults in hundreds of cases. Like Trump behavior, it is not likely to change at this point. A belief that being a guardian of truth and precision justifies such behavior is fortunately a rare and narcissistic trait, except in social media.
As always your faithful defender and friend.

PS It all goes to state of mind
which is naturally variable and
influenced by events of our time.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 10:27 AM

Disagreeing with Mrrzy is all well and good
-- I do it myself sometimes --
but I don't try to sit on Mrrzy.

And I object to anybody trying to sit on Mrrzy.
They dislike it. Most of us dislike it.
And it makes the sitter look , I have to say,
the opposite of attractive.

So stop it.
Stop trying to sit on Mrrzy, already.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 06:27 AM

And that's not quite what my final version was either. I replaced the pompous "quite advanced" with the word "liberal."

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 06:23 AM

That last post of mine is not what I thought I'd posted. Please ignore it and read this one (if you must) instead:

They are characterised as X and Y by virtue of their shapes, Doug, when viewed under the microscope.

I have a very simple point to make here, Bruce, which is that this statement...

"It is apparently normal for people with 2 X chromosomes to be tetrachromat"

...is fake news. The story behind this matter is complex and unresolved. For a start, there's nothing all-or-nothing about it. About half the planet's human population possess two X chromosomes. Overwhelmingly identifying as females, in other words. At best, a pretty small minority of them are "tetrachromats." That's readily checkable. I'm perfectly happy to concede that you have to have two Xs before you can be one. But it is untrue to say that it's "normal." And I'm not going to quibble about gender matters in this thread. If you'd care to delve among my thousands of Mudcat posts you'll discover that I'm actually quite advanced in my thinking about such things and that I lament the fact that we have such a long way to go to reach the understanding and tolerance which would achieve equality for people who don't identify at one of the two extremes of the gender spectrum, to put it clumsily.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 05:40 AM


They are characterised as X and Y by virtue of their shapes, Doug, when viewed under the microscope.


Erm ..... yes, Steve!

Don't try to confuse the issue with science ;-)


DC

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 05:15 AM

They are characterised as X and Y by virtue of their shapes, Doug, when viewed under the microscope.

I have a very simple point to make here, Bruce, which is that this:

"It is apparently normal for people with 2 X chromosomes to be tetrachromat"

...is fake news. The story behind this matter is complex and unresolved. For a start, there's nothing all-or-nothing about it. About half the planet's human population possess two X chromosomes. Females, in other words. At best, a pretty small minority of them are "tetrachromats." That's readily checkable. I'm perfectly happy to concede that you have to have two Xs before you can be one. But it
is untrue to say that it's. Or so to be one

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 04:39 AM

I object to chromosomes being stereotyped as X or Y. What about chromosomes that self-identify as Z ?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 10:35 PM

You ignore the presented statement that XX chromosomes are required for this, and that trans males, having XX, would possibly have this. XX, of any sex, and XXY. Or are you stating the trans-males are really women? Isn't that what JK Rowling is accused of?

and it appears to have everything to do with having two X chromosomes, now doesn't it?


For shame

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 10:21 PM

Well thanks for that. So this is nothing to do with whether you have two X chromosomes. But everything to do with whether you have a gene mutation on both of your X chromosomes, if indeed you happen to have two of 'em. So not so "normal" after all. You were peddling bullshit, Mrrzy, innit...

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 08:51 PM

Well, maybe next best thing is a link to a different article?

Tetrachromacy: A World of Colour

which says, amongst other things,

"This means tetrachromacy is only possible for most women, who have two X chromosomes, and men with Klinefelter syndrome, who have two X chromosomes and one Y chromosome. Therefore, most men, who only have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome, cannot be tetrachromats."


And if that sounds simple to you,
well, it's Greek to me ...

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 08:37 PM

Well you said dad, gal, women and her. Every little helps. Now perhaps we could have a link...

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 07:58 PM

To complicate someones deliberate complication further, only women are 12% likely to have the fourth extra color cones that enhance color vision but without training or tests may never know it. The mutation results either in better color or color blindness. If a gal had a dad who was color blind, her chance of having 4 cones is better.

btw All howler monkeys male or female have 4 cones. I wonder if lions have this difference.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 07:25 PM

It could be your cholesterol playing you up.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 06:56 PM

Here you are:

It is apparently normal for people with 2 X chromosomes to be tetrachromats and see more colors than [what we were taught were typical] trichromatic people.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 04:50 PM

You weren't talking about gender at all but you wittered on about "2 X." Sure you weren't. I'm not on your back. I am simply asking you to say, without contortion, what you actually mean. If you talk in riddles you can expect either derision from those who can't be bothered to process your deliberate obscurantism or you can expect be grilled. And I'm asking you for corroboration, still not provided, for the potentially interesting point you made (made with full contortion and weird words) about gender and colour vision. I did look and I couldn't find it. Over to you, or not. I'm moving on.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 04:00 PM

Right. It *is* about color vision, particularly color vision stuff that is coded for on X chromosomes. I was talking about exactly what I was talking about. Color vision and X chromosomes. Nothing else. Color. Vision. And. X. Chromosomes.

*You* brought in the gender stuff and then [complained] at me for not talking about gender the way you wanted me to *but I wasn't the one talking about gender at all* so once again - get off my back. Even better, admit you were wrong, and apologize.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 12:26 PM

You need to recognise that you are simply fiddling around the edges. The vast majority of people who identify as female are XX and the vast majority of people who identify as male are XY. We know there are exceptions. We get it. But your post seems to be more about colour vision than about point-making about gender. And even then you are unimpressively using words that are hardly in common usage, and you give no corroboration. So back at you with your "So no."

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 09:52 AM

But that is what it IS. It includes XXY people who are male, and typical XX women, and trans men who are XX. So no.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 06:56 AM

It would be nice to have some kind of a link for that. Incidentally, I honestly don't see the harm in referring to male/female/men/women/boy/girl. I recognise the sensitivity around these issues but you should acknowledge that most people would far more quickly know what you were talking about if you used the conventional terms, flawed in your view though they may be. "People with 2 X chromosomes" doesn't cut it. And, let's face it, that isn't the only obscurantist reference in your post.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Mar 21 - 07:16 PM

It is apparently normal for people with 2 X chromosomes to be tetrachromats and see more colors than [what we were taught were typical] trichromatic people.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 21 - 03:14 PM

possibly new fundamental forces from a tri color boson (among others) are lurking out there. Who knows what is next - understanding gravity?
https://theconversation.com/evidence-of-brand-new-physics-at-cern-why-were-cautiously-optimistic-about-our-new-findings-157464

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 12:40 PM

Well, Ted Cruz is not new news, so
probably mention of him should be on a different thread,
but I couldn't work out which one.
But honestly,
how foolish can some elected officials be?

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 02:57 AM

very good news, Mrrzy

on a lighter note - Mammoth woolly: Baarack the overgrown sheep shorn of his 35kg fleece Escaped merino ram found on the lam in regional Australia is said to be recovering well.
A rogue overgrown sheep found roaming through regional Australia has been shorn of his 35kg fleece – a weight even greater than that of the famous New Zealand sheep Shrek, who was captured in 2005 after six years on the loose.
The merino ram, dubbed Baarack by rescuers, was discovered wandering alone with an extraordinarily overgrown wool coat, and was promptly shorn to save his life. (read on!)

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 11:14 PM

Virginia joins the civilized world and abolishes the death penalty.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Feb 21 - 10:42 PM

True, I could post this in the virus thread,
since Plácido Domingo was stricken with COVID-19 last year.
However:
Domingo just observed Birthday number 80 (birthyear 1941).

His career is one with many lives,
even if he himself has but one.

His career as a tenor has been over for quite some time.
His career in the United States, it is fair to say,
ended with the #MeToo revelations and lawsuits.
Some of us will never see him the same way again.

Mixed feelings and emotions.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 10:36 AM

2017 photo from space of solar storm hitting earth
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2101/aurora_iss052e007857.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 10:19 AM

Cute inclusion of random beauty, there!

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:34 AM

Ah. Never mind!

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 07:59 AM

No, I was respondimg to YOUR post regarding cancer.
interesting graphic

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:13 AM

Wrong thread don.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:10 AM

damn virus/altered cells. Maybe the new RNA vaccine method will provide a good direction for cancer vaccines.

I don't think these guys
will help

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 11:04 AM

Ok this is different: Japanese scientists report cases where babies being born vaginally to women with cervical cancer caught their mom's cancer during said vaginal delivery. It showed up as lung cancer in the newborns.

I read that in Le monde this morning.

Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:55 PM

Some re too young to know how and when the brown shirts stormed th streets link