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northfolk/al cholger 07 Jan 00 - 12:21 PM
Pete Peterson 07 Jan 00 - 03:58 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 07 Jan 00 - 04:22 PM
Pete peterson 07 Jan 00 - 04:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Sexism in Music forums
From: northfolk/al cholger
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 12:21 PM

Is it too late to ask,"which of you actually lived in Mississippi, and which were just passin through".

In a previous life I ran a small business in a tourist town in Michigan, when the customer from hell came in and asserted that our place was the a**hole of the world, to which I replied, you must be....


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Subject: RE: Sexism in Music forums
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 03:58 PM

. . .where angels fear to thread.
1) Remember about Sir Winston that he was a man of his times. Born in the Victorian era, first elected to parliament when women could not yet vote, for some reason (he comes across some times as the archetype of MCP) became the target of many suffragettes. Never quite got over that, and why should he have? 2) As the father of three daughters I have tried very hard to convince them that they can do ANYTHING from which anatomy does not bar them. So far so good. . . 3) I didn't post on the sea chantey thread, but I think most people would accept as true that the average woman's voice has a range higher than the average man's voice-- so the only change I would make for a woman singing chanteys would be the same advice I give everybody: Before starting, sing through it and mark the highest note and lowest note. Now find a key you can reach both comfortably. Sing it in that key. 4) I don't find any difficulty with a woman singing a song written in the first person by a man, nor vice versa. My musical hero Charlie Poole recorded "Oh once I was a gipsy girl but now I'm a rich man's bride" (so did Emry Arthur, with some additional verses I am just now learning!) and it was years before I realized the apparent contradiction. So, even if the song were "worded to be sung by a male in the first person" I don't think it spoils the song to be led by somebody of the opposite gender. 5) Somewhere in Joe Klein's biography of Woody Guthrie, in the chapter about Lefty Lou, he said something about "it always seems to work when a man sings in high range, and the woman sings in a low range, and this is what they were doing" (exact words not right, but idea IS) Ithink I agree.


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Subject: RE: Sexism in Music forums
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 04:22 PM

It was not the shanty itself I was refering to directly, but some bawdy versions requested. Some versions that I know, you would not want one of your daughters singing in front of other people. ( without a major revision of roles and nomenclature ) Of course if you would check the postings there are many with minor alterations that were suggested she could sing. Please check out my posting on the origin of the word Gig. the rest will probably die with me unpublished...Yours,(tongue in cheek and not other places) Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Sexism in Music forums
From: Pete peterson
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 04:32 PM

Of course, it was Churchill himself, who was listening unhappily to some admiral talking about Naval tradition (this may well have been in WWI when he was First Lord of the Admiralty) and interrupting to say "You are talking about the traditions of the British Navy? I will tell you what they are. They are. . . rum, sodomy, and the lash."
And on reading your posting I tried to imagine "Backside Rules the Navy" being sung in the higher register, and falling apart laughing, and agreeing with you that it might not work out too well.
now gotta go look up "gig". Thanks PETE, who misses harpgirl and other natural wonders of Florida


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Subject: RE: Sexism in Music forums
From: MaxTone
Date: 08 Jan 00 - 02:28 PM

Now, then Boys AND Girls, I'll tell you both this, JUST ONCE. All this sexizm stuff just AIN'T funny!


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Subject: RE: Sexism in Music forums
From: WyoWoman
Date: 08 Jan 00 - 02:44 PM

Says whom?


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Subject: RE: Sexism in Music forums
From: WyoWoman
Date: 08 Jan 00 - 02:45 PM

I mean who...


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