The future of folk music in a post-Covid

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 28 May 20 - 10:21 AM

Dick, you seem to be missing the reality that only in short bursts does English media and authority recognise our folk culture. This has been the case for centuries. Irish, Scottish, Welsh have always shown a much greater interest in their culture mainly to assert their separation from the dominant neighbour. A little progress is made now and then, but any assertion of Englishness is nowadays seen as nationalism and in fact anti-globalism, and many of us are wary of being appropriated by the far right. Tourism also has something to do with this. English tourism largely relies on scenery, stately homes and more elite culture. Its folk culture is made very little of. We would all like a fairer slice of the public funding but with the current regimes this is highly unlikely.

Which is why we just get on with it, provide our own funding and run lots of free events.

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 May 20 - 10:54 AM

Anway Steve, what i have said is not a critism of the uk folk revival, more a concern and a wish to see it thrive more and fair play to people like yourself who make it happen

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 May 20 - 11:26 AM

Like it or not, youtube and other similar audiovisual internet media sites
are amply demonstrating that the future is already happening..
and has been for some time...

The technology needs improving over the next few years,
and we can be fairly certain such positive progress is inevitable...

I'm one of the folkies who has never had any interest in folk clubs,
so I've no entrenched vested interests standing in the way of new ideas...

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 28 May 20 - 03:44 PM

I am taking part in Zooming purely at the moment as an observer. Our local singarounds are Zooming away and there are plenty of others I've come across. I like to have the opportunity to accompany others so I prefer the real thing, but TSF have just started an international Zooming forum and whilst I'm only a spectator I'm looking to get a webcam and get involved. I can see the Zooming continuing as we get back to meeting up and then the 2 running side by side.

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 May 20 - 05:24 PM

Something I'm thinking about for while lockdown goes on: learn to play with a loop station. (I detest recording and anything that resembles a phone call, so even if Zoom was less crap I'd still hate it).

Recommendations?

I want this to be utterly minimal. Needs to work with an ordinary lapel microphone (i have a shoeboxful) and play through a domestic hi-fi (or maybe computer speakers). No pre-amp or computer interface. Operated by a few foot buttons. Might be nice if I could feed it drone sounds off a CD Walkman or my grooves off my pocket Korg Kaissilator, but not essential.

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 May 20 - 02:52 AM

I have been spendin 58 minutes every other day with another singer, swapping songs down a landline. songs are about listening, the old fashioned landline does the job fine for me,i enjoy listening to one quality singer singing trad songs,rather than zoomimg and getting 50 per cent good, if i am lucky, for me going out playing music is also about face to face REAL socialiSIng, BUT IF I WANT TO IMPROVE I LISTEN ONLINE TO SPECIFIC PERFORMERS,in my case.. such as Seamus Creagh

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 20 - 03:02 PM

YOU'LL GET MUCH BETTER SOUND DOWN A LANDLINE THAN VIA THE AVERAGE PC

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 20 - 03:07 PM

NO YOU WON'T

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 20 - 03:09 PM

.. unless maybe your 'average' PC is over 30 to 40 years old...???

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 20 - 04:03 PM

you must have a crap phone!

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 20 - 04:11 PM

BT...

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 20 - 07:47 PM

But it sounds like you are still listening to 96 kbps mp3s on dial-up modem...!!!???

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: Joe G
Date: 30 May 20 - 07:52 PM

Presumably guest doesn't know how to connect his PC to his hifi - or plug his headphones in to the sound card!

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 May 20 - 12:34 AM

The sound quality of a VoIP link will be better, but nothing can beat dialup for latency. And if you're trying to play along with sonejody, that matters more.

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: Joe G
Date: 31 May 20 - 05:19 AM

Ah latency rather than sound quality - in that case shouty GUEST's comment makes sense

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 20 - 05:33 AM

wtf is latency- sounds like a crime to me

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 May 20 - 07:04 AM

latencing with intent

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 May 20 - 12:33 PM

So if it's the same anonymous loud mouthed GUEST as last night,
this blatant ignorance about latency is clear admission
of pompously SHOUTING UNINFORMED OPINIONATED bollocks...

This GUEST should keep gob shut on matters of the future of Music Technology relating to folk music;
while reading up and watching youtube tutorials on the subject...

Somehow doubt that'll happen, though...

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 20 - 03:15 PM

Maybe shouty guest has better things to do than worry about kbps latency Voips & suchlike crap- like sitting in the sun and growing veg rather than issuing ignorant abuse- maybe he/she doesn't give a f... for your Music Technology & just likes to sing his/her songs rather than all your computer one-upmanship?

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 May 20 - 04:22 PM

Someone's got bonnet full of resentful bees, and hostile misconceptions...

Funnily enough, the future don't care what you think or do,
and may never even miss you when you're long gone
to narrow minded old folkie heaven...

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: GUEST,crumbly
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:42 AM

The future of folk music after Covid should be enhanced by what has gone before, but surely lies in people themselves rather than all the technology mentioned here.

The future is not Zoom 2.0, or I hope so anyway.

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: JHW
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 06:53 AM

Too much to read here but "the future belongs to the young. Post Covid or otherwise. Us old fogies are too set in our ways for any radical change. I accept change is not always for the best but it is change or die as far as live folk (or most other) music is concerned."

Perhaps a consolation for being old is that we won't be here when todays youth reign supreme, the place will be littered with cans and pizza boxes and we won't have to worry about it. Nor the absence of folk clubs.

Subject: RE: The future of folk music in a post-Covid
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 07:58 AM

Not so JHW. People my age (70s) are embracing Zoom and putting videos on YouTube in large numbers. I'm absolutely certain that if we ever get round to losing the Covid threat, all of the old ways will restart alongside all the new ways of online communication. Both have many advantages. You are right we won't have to worry about what happens when we pop our clogs but many of us want to leave a decent legacy behind us so that things will continue and improve after we've gone.