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Lyr Req: a Breton song recorded by Alan Stivell

hunter@gonzaga.edu 17 Nov 96 - 06:44 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 01 Sep 01 - 03:25 PM
Sorcha 01 Sep 01 - 04:02 PM
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Peg 01 Sep 01 - 10:24 PM
Phil Cooper 02 Sep 01 - 12:45 AM
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Subject: stivell/breton song
From: hunter@gonzaga.edu
Date: 17 Nov 96 - 06:44 PM

I'm looking for a song recorded by Alan Stivell (maybe on "jounree a la maison") and by some others (I heard it on "thistle & "Journee a la maison") and by some others (I've heard it on "Thistle & Shamrock). It might be called "AN NIGHEAN DUBH BH" and it sounds a little like this: Yanin su kalishan yintu Yu weil yase vaten Yanin su kalishan yintu Yanin su kalishan grueg enino bigel suena hapek I would be very grateful for any help on the lyricsa and meaning of the song meaning of the song. Thanks


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 03:25 PM

Looks more Gaelic to me.

Perhaps ..... Dheanainn thu caileagan?


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 04:02 PM

Here is the track listing from Journee:

--- _Un Dewezh barzh ger (Journee a la maison)_ [also called _A Home- coming_] was released by Keltia III in 1978. It contains ten songs: "Trinquons nos verres," Ar wezenn awalou," "Henchou kuzh," "Tambud Kemper," "Warlec'h koan," "An tri marrak," "'Tal an tan," "An nighean dubh," "Slan Chearbhallain (O'Carolan's Farewell)," and "Insi Hanternos."

Looks to me like the language is Breton--and the tune might be Slan Chearbhallain (O'Carolan's Farewell) which is not hard to find........


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Subject: Lyr Add:An Nighean Dubh
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 04:07 PM

I'll be darned--not Farewell! Here it is, I think:

This song is a bit of a mystery to me, in more ways than one: some claim that it is a waulking song from Uist or Barra in the Hebrides. "Waulking" is where a length of cloth (usually tweed) is dampened and fulled in order to soften it after weaving. This task was only done by women in Scotland, and in many places it was quite the social occasion where everyone joined in and songs were made up to make the task go faster, as with old sea chanties.

Often waulking songs were adapted from other songs. Frequently they told of local gossip, and the material was not usually "highbrow". Others say it is a iorran, a rowing song, and given the lyrics, this seems more likely. The title, like the rest of the song, is in Gaelic and means "the dark-haired maiden"-

I played with the girl with the black hair
In the morning when I awoke
I played with the young virgin
When the others were still asleep.
I played when we awoke
When the sails were unfurled,
One Monday, after the day of our Lord,
We left the Orkneys on the Seonaid.
The green billows rolled over her prow.
How she fought the cavern of the waves!
Gamboling between the reefs, eluding the sand bars,
She plowed through the sea which battered her sides,
Hooting and hissing.
We had to chain ourselves to the door
Before the straits of Rome.
We outsailed the French Pass
Led by the winds, tiller firmly in hand
But we kept not one rope
On board for the road of return.

From here, which is
http://www.celticnots.com/music/annighean.html


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: Peg
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 10:24 PM

I would guess the album cut you heard is "A L'Olympia"

It is from the 1970s and very hard to find; good luck! I am looking for it myself!

I have a friend who studies Breton language who sings one of the songs on the album.


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:45 AM

If it's on A l'olympia, I have a copy of it. E-mail me at coopnel@aol.com and I'll make a tape copy for you (as long as it's hard to find and out of print).


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 01:22 AM

An Nighean Dubh is the title of several Scottish Gaelic songs. The Barra MacNeils sing one of them, the one called Mo Nighean Dubh. This song doesn't have any line which would sound like that.

HAve to do more research.


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 02:02 AM

It might be the waulking song Dheanainn Sugradh Ris An Nighean Dubh. That link takes you to a Clannad lyrics page for Dheanainn Sugradh. They have both the Scottish Gaelic and Irish there. The first line SEEMS close to what his phonetics are for that mysterious first line.


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: Peg
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 10:05 AM

Phil; I would LOVE a tape copy! I will email you; do start thinking about what I can give you in return.

Peg


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: John P
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:32 PM

The Olympia Concert is currently available on CD. Please don't make tape copies of it. I think I got my copy at Dusty Strings in Seattle (I work there). I don't know if it is there now. It may also be available through Roots and Rythym in California. I also imagine that Dick at Camsco can get a copy. If nothing else, the record company on the CD is:
Disques Dreyfus
26 av. Kleber
75116 Paris, France

I have "An Nighean Dubh" on two different old vinyl Stivell albums, "Journee a la Maison" and "3rd Live International Tour". Journee a la Maison is out on CD, not sure about the other. The song is listed as a Scottish traditional waulking song, with the title in English being "The Black Haired Girl". I found a website with the Gaelic words here.

John Peekstok


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:07 PM

John P,
Thanks for the plug, but no, that's not it. The song you've linked to is actually a love song, but not a waulking song.

We'll locate it I'm sure. Just more research.


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: John P
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:48 PM

Hmm, George, the Stivell album lists the English title as "The Black Haired Girl" and the song on your site is called "My Black Haired Maid". That's why I thought they were the same song. Must just be two songs with the same titles. I just listened to the Stivell recordings and can't make out the words at all, but then I know nothing about either Gaelic or Breton. Certainly nothing he was saying looked anything like the printed words to my ignorant eye. I generally don't find it to be one of his stronger musical or vocal efforts.

JP


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 08:23 PM

As George mentioned earlier, there are a lot of Gaelic songs about dark-haired girls.  This one is not on À l'Olympia.  Stivell, with all due respect, could at that time barely pronounce Breton lyrics, let alone Gaelic or English.  I still quote his "phantom sheep on high seas" to people who believe that they can sing a song in a language they don't understand without running a serious risk of sounding ridiculous.


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 16 Sep 01 - 08:36 PM

Looking at the lyrics of Dheanainn Sugradh, looks close. They mention the French Narrows and Roman Narrows.


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Subject: RE: stivell/breton song
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 16 Sep 01 - 09:15 PM

John P. Don't worry, I wouldn't make a copy of a recording that's in print.


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Subject: Lyr Req: Lyr Req: Breton song rec by Alan Stivell
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Jan 12 - 01:01 PM

I tried to post this to the thread that showed a few minutes ago.

1) Post wouldn't take after four attempts
2) Can't even SEE the thread which dated back 10 years

SO, here's the post I had for that thread, wherever it is.

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From

http://www.omniglot.com/songs/gaelic/dheanainn_sugradh.php

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Dheanainn Sùgradh (The Dark-haired Girl)

This a 'waulking' song (òran-luadhaidh) from Scotland.

Dheanainn Sùgradh
Sèist
Dheannain sùgradh ris a nighean duibh
N' deidh dhomh eirigh as a 'mhadainn
Dheannain sùgradh ris a nighean duibh

Dheannain sùgradh ris a'ghruagaich
'Nuair a bhiodh a' sluagh nan codal

sèist

Dheannain sùgradh an àm dùsgaidh
'N àm na siùil a bhith 'gam pasgadh

sèist

Di-Luain an dèidh Di-dòmhnaich
Dh'fhalbh sinn le Seonaid a Aircaibh

sèist

Riof 'gha ceangal 's riof 'gha fuasgladh
muir ma guallain fuaim is fead oirr

sèist


Null ma Chaolas na Ròimh
b'fheudar dhuinn am bòm a leaiseadh

sèist


Null ma chaolas na Fraing
Maide 'na làimh is gaoth 'gha greasadh

sèist

Dh'fheumadh pòrsan thigh 'nn à bùth dhith
Ged a bhiodh e crùn an cairteal

sèist

Ged a bhiodh e crùn an óirleach
Dh'fheumadh pòrsan dheith thigh 'nn dhachaidh

sèist

The Dark-haired Girl
Chorus
I played with the young dark-haired girl
When I woke in the morning
I played with the young dark-haired girl

I played with the long-haired girl
When everyone was asleep

chorus

I played when we woke
And when the sails were unfurled

chorus

On Monday, after Sunday
We left the Orkneys on the Seonaid

chorus

Reefs taken in and reefs shaken
Waves under her bow, and her booming and whistling

chorus

Across the straits of Rome
We had to keep a tight grip on the boom

chorus

Across the narrow waters of France
She was under control and the wind driving us

chorus

She wouldn't want a gift from a market
If a crown was her share

chorus

Even if it were a crown of gold
She wouldn't want a gift brought home to her

chorus

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This song can be heard on the following albums:

Silver Sea ~ Méav (Ní Mhaolchatha)
Clannad Vol. 2 ~ Clannad
An Iomall ~ Alyth McCormack

##################################################

Links

Different versions of this song:

http://www.celticlyricscorner.net/meav/dark.htm
http://www.celticlyricscorner.net/clannad/dheanainn.htm
http://www.celticlyricscorner.net/mccormack/dheannain.htm
Transferred in. -Mod


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: a Breton song recorded by Alan Stivell
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 07 Jan 12 - 03:08 PM

Have a look here for the real thing:

http://www.musicscotland.com/cd/vol-2-music-from-western-isles-gaelic.html


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