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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Jun 20 - 01:29 PM JeffB, you're offering a huge amount of misinformation and character assassination on a thread that is discussing the wearing of face masks with beards and have worn out your welcome. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: punkfolkrocker Date: 17 Jun 20 - 12:00 PM Some may scold me for my objective view that the mass British public tend to be selfish and dim.. But I can easily imagine our young adults buying fancy trendy design masks, then casually swapping them around, trying on wearing each other's masks for selfies... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Jun 20 - 11:54 AM Sure, the science says that a mask will stop droplets. But they won't stop virus particles during ordinary breathing from being either inhaled or exhaled. A mask man enough to do that would suffocate you within minutes. Whilst not exactly science, and touching on a point Jeff makes, it's a very common perception here that people wearing masks are far more likely to breach the two-metre rule. For my sins I have to pay too-frequent visits to supermarkets to shop both for us and for others, and mask-wearers here in Bude are far more likely to reach across you, scoot or even brush past you in narrow aisles and block the aisles with their trolleys, provoking frustrated fellow customers into passing close. Naturally, I can't prove it. It seems to me that mask-wearers enjoy a false sense of security, some of them. In view of the fact that viruses CAN pass through masks, this behaviour would seem to negate somewhat any advantage that masks provide. This post is full of caveats, but you can still shoot if you like. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Jun 20 - 01:07 AM It generally isn't the scientists and physicians dismissing homemade masks. It's the non-scientific skeptics. Unsure About Actually Wearing a Face Mask? Here’s How (and Why) to Do It is from the Cleveland Clinic, a well-respected research institution in the US. If you take nothing else away from this,
Cloth masks can also prevent you from touching your face, and can be a visual reminder to practice social distancing, Dr. Hamilton adds. No one has said they completely prevent COVID-19, but they affect our behavior to help avoid it, they may slow it down, and they serve as important reminders on several levels. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Jun 20 - 12:33 AM They serve as a reminder to keep your distance, they stop the spread of cough or sneeze droplets, they do many things that I'd rather people pay attention to than dismiss because they've been told that might not be correct by people who aren't scientists. I listened to scientists and physicians and decided to wear a mask, as do friends and family. The numbers are climbing rapidly in several states, Texas included. States with high-ranking elected officials who dismiss the science are most heavily affected now. There is a correlation that can be made. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: punkfolkrocker Date: 16 Jun 20 - 09:27 PM .. then add mass binge drinking in British towns and cities to this deadly public health and safety cocktail... Good luck getting them to even remember to wash their hands, let alone recall if they didn't put their masks on back to font after already dribbling saliva and snot over the material all the time they were worn on public transport out to the pubs... Maybe folks are more intelligent and responsible in America...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: punkfolkrocker Date: 16 Jun 20 - 09:15 PM I'll play safer by presuming the greater British public are too dim to be trusted to wear any face coverings responsibly and safely enough for my protection... It'll only give too many of them a false sense of security, and increase their liability to carelessly spread pandemic, while they are herded closer together in public for the benefit of retail and hospitality business share holders... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Jun 20 - 08:33 PM Er, don't let things get too black and white here, Maggie. It isn't actually a fact that all the kinds of masks people don are "better then nothing." We simply don't know that. At university in the late sixties we were told that part of the definition of a virus is that it's a non-filterable particle. Masks aren't there to filter viruses. They are there to apprise the public of the dangers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Jun 20 - 07:39 PM The U.S. Centers for Disease Control. Your opinion and discussion of the failings of cotton cloth masks ignores that fact that they are better than nothing and in many cases much better than nothing. Your dismissal of the cotton masks was opinion-based with no evidence, and the medical mask information offered was irrelevant since we have been told to leave the medical masks for medical professionals, so it was dismissed. If indeed you're a health professional, then act like one. Understand that people taking actions to protect themselves (maintaining a distance and washing their hands) and others (wearing a mask so should they have the virus they're less likely to disperse droplets that could contain the virus) are better than listening to you whine about how every thing we might do is doomed to failure. Pull up your socks, put on your cotton mask, and move along unless you're here to be helpful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JeffB Date: 16 Jun 20 - 06:35 PM SRS - Thanks for your response but I'm not sure what you are getting at. As far as I can see, there is nothing in my post which contradicts yours. If there is, I'm sorry to say I'm missing it, so perhaps you could point it out and I will reply if I can, or apologise if I need to. I should say though that it was not my intention to deliver a "vote of no-confidence" per se. In a situation like this there is likely to be a lot of misinformaton circulating, or at least a great many misconceptions, and I only intended to present some facts as opposed to opinions. Only evidence-based strategies will have any affect on the spread of Covid-19. I note that the CDC (sorry, don't know who or what that is) says "cloth face coverings may slow the spread of the virus". I would put a lot of emphasis on "may", and suggest that this sort of advice is designed more to allay fears than actually do anything useful. I posted "If you can feel your breath on the other side of it [a cotton mask]then you are still breathing bugs into the atmosphere." Do you have a criticism of that, or can you refute it? Note: CDC says "Cloth face coverings are NOT surgical masks". Surgical masks (I called them hospital-grade masks) ARE designed to prevent the spread of bacteria (but not necessarily viruses - it's very important to realise that bacteria and viruses are completely different). I don't know whether the average surgical mask will stop Covid-19 spreading from someone's nose or mouth, and I don't know if anyone else does either. Viruses are all unbelieveably tiny, but nevertheless some are much bigger than others. I have to admit that I don't know where Covid-19 comes on this scale. If you can give me some relevant information on that I would be grateful. But if a surgical mask doesn't stop a virus, what use do you think a cloth mask would be? Let me put it this way. Imagine you are shrunk to microscopic size. You see a mesh the size of a garden trellis. This is the filter in a surgical mask. Something the size of a pidgeon flies into it and gets stuck. This is a bacterium. Then something the size of a bee buzzes straight through. This is a virus, perhaps a Covid-19 virus. But a cloth mask isn't even designed to stop a bacterium. Actually, I don't think it's designed for anything other than making people feel better. My background is 25+ years as a NHS healthcare professional. NHS means the British National Health Service, and I assure you that neither I nor the NHS take no notice of anything Mr Trump might pronounce upon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: punkfolkrocker Date: 16 Jun 20 - 06:08 PM We're now being fobbed of with a potentially deadly placebo of masks versus safe social distancing... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JHW Date: 16 Jun 20 - 05:01 PM 'It is critical to emphasize that maintaining 6-feet social distancing remains important to slowing the spread of the virus.' But some are trying to persuade us now that less separation will do but wear a mask. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Jun 20 - 04:41 PM No thanks for that vote of no-confidence, JeffB. You've been fed misinformation, perhaps by the party in the White House at the moment. From the CDC:
Cloth face coverings are NOT surgical masks or N-95 respirators. Surgical masks and N-95 respirators must be reserved for healthcare workers and other medical first responders, as recommended in CDC guidance. Wear Cloth Face Coverings
Cloth face coverings may slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others. Cloth face coverings can be made from household items. Prevent Spread by Those Without Symptoms
Recommendation Regarding the Use of Cloth Face Coverings, Especially in Areas of Significant Community-Based Transmission
It is critical to emphasize that maintaining 6-feet social distancing remains important to slowing the spread of the virus. CDC is additionally advising the use of simple cloth face coverings to slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others. Cloth face coverings fashioned from household items or made at home from common materials at low cost can be used as an additional, voluntary public health measure. The cloth face coverings recommended are not surgical masks or N-95 respirators. Those are critical supplies that must continue to be reserved for healthcare workers and other medical first responders, as recommended by current CDC guidance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JeffB Date: 16 Jun 20 - 01:48 PM The idea behind wearing a mask in a clinical setting is to prevent bacteria (not viruses) being breathed out over vulnerable patients. Hospital-grade masks have a fine latex mesh between the paper surfaces which blocks bacteria; viruses however are much smaller (although their relatives sizes vary a lot) so the mask isn't expected to necessarily stop them. If you sneeze or cough wearing a mask then the expired air and bacteria tend to be blasted backwards into the ambient air. Bacteria love beards, so in a clinical setting the mask should cover the beard completely. But it doesn't matter if you have a beard while wearing a mask in public because of an epidemic. You aren't in a sterile environment with vulnerable patients to protect. Whether the mask actually prevents viruses from getting around is another matter. We have had one consultant on UK TV saying that masks have no benefit at all. Other opinions are that there might be some restriction on viral transmission, and that could be helpful. Common sense suggests that if you are coughing, then wearing a clinical mask in public is going to reduce your personal infective radius. But a home-made cotton mask is going to be useless in any circumstance. If you can feel your breath on the other side of it then you are still breathing bugs into the atmosphere. If you wear a clinical mask, NHS policy is to change it every 20 minutes because bacteria build up inside and reproduce, so the mask becomes a focus of disease - though having said that very few hospital workers observe the 20 minute rule. But they do generally observe the other rules, which are 1) always wear the mask properly, i.e. covering both nostrils and mouth. If you pull it down to expose your nose then the mask is useless. And 2), because of bacteria build-up, never take the mask off by pulling it away at the front. Always break the tape at the back of your head. You can't beat hand washing for getting rid of germs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Jun 20 - 05:31 PM Mudcatter and pot-maker extraordinaire Guy Wolff posted on Facebook this morning photos of the face masks his wife Erica is making, and it added a couple of helpful ideas to the constantly changing features of the masks I make and send to people. I shared tips for ties that I hope help her. She puts a few little tucks around the nose to make it more comfortable - so EBarnacle, you may be getting the new model in the mail one of these days. I've enjoyed this process, and see a lot of people learning over the couple of months as we make and wear masks, how to make them more comfortable, easier to handle (and launder), and how to make them efficiently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Jun 20 - 09:46 AM I can't remember the last time I used cash. Round here, everyone is encouraged to use contactless. A couple of weeks ago I set Apple Pay up on my phone. It worked like a dream - twice. Since then it's rejected me every time at the checkout and I've had to scrabble around in my pockets for the ould debit card. So now I've rejected IT. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Jun 20 - 11:57 AM A famous old hotel in San Francisco was famous for washing its money every night. San Francisco hotel runs a clean money-laundering operation |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Mr Red Date: 11 Jun 20 - 03:16 AM money laundering sanitise your coins Now funny you should say that, but the doctor in my locale 90+ years ago had that sussed. He insisted that all payment (pre NHS then) was coins dropped in a pan of boiling water, still on the stove. And only he was allowed to remove them. hear this specific track here, from the lady who witnessed it (on ask.StroudVoices.co.uk) I did hear on radio of a doctor who had to reason this through when tracing the source of the spread of an infection. He eventually hit on the concept that his pen was not steralised between patients. I have seen students do the actual hands on with students and the doctor/mentor taking notes. Funny how what goes around comes around, and history repeats itself, because we aren't listening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Jun 20 - 12:12 PM I have a couple ready to mail to EBarnacle, they're the pleated ones that have more room. I didn't put the nose wires in these because it really isn't necessary with this style. Send me a PM and tell me what you're looking for, Joanne. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: CupOfTea Date: 10 Jun 20 - 11:47 AM My office mate is a beard fanatic, and has a beard that goes past his belt buckle. He doesn't wear it loose at work. It does taper to more wispy at the ends, but there is still quite a bit of it. For work, he neatens it up by rolling it up, and tucking it in, pinned with a couple long bobby pins, so that it is close to his face, and very full/solid looking. The sort of mask that has folds to let it expand can be made a bit longer to curve around a tucked up beard. It does seem sensible that there should be mask patterns for masks with a sort of snood to hold a beard out of the way. Joanne in Cleveland, still figuring out how to make a mask that fits me comfortably |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Jun 20 - 11:01 AM I've used a card for most things lately, but I haven't shopped nearly as often as before (and when I do go out I buy for a longer period of time; mostly things that will go in the freezer or pantry). I trade off shopping with my ex, and when we pay each other back we tend to put the bills in plastic sandwich bags and it sits somewhere for a week or so before the bills are put into the wallet. I haven't handled coins in a marketplace setting in a couple of months. I'm still giving masks to friends and neighbors and contacts from the university (from which I retired a couple of years ago). They're evolving as I figure out better ways to wear them (ties that don't need to be re-tied but that aren't tight elastic bands to make the ears tender after wearing for a while). We're all going to have some interesting souvenirs of 2020. "Grandma, what are all of those brightly colored things hanging on the hook in your closet?" "Those are my face masks in case another pandemic sweeps the planet, child." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JHW Date: 10 Jun 20 - 07:13 AM I washed all my coins in bleachy water but forgot where I put them. Shops prefer contactless. I never used before but have had to oblige. Or they say use the robot/diy machines which I've avoided except at B&Q buying one item - though theirs were card only. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: The Sandman Date: 10 Jun 20 - 06:13 AM mr red you could always do a bit of money laundering sanitise your coins |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: The Sandman Date: 10 Jun 20 - 06:12 AM excuse me coining a phrase, but soon we wont be cashing in or coining it but carding it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Mr Red Date: 10 Jun 20 - 05:30 AM Curry houses I'm told are pushing for 1m instesd of 2m. Well, chili, garlic and other such noxious foods have a measure of anti-septic qualities. Though, to my mid, they just kill the taste buds and mask (ironically) the fact that your beef is really horse, and the chicken could be .............. many things that taste like chicken. i am still using coins, I have reluctantly had to adopt using the card(s) as contactless. And my coins are building up because I buy dog food for the GF's pooch and she recompenses with cash. Curiously the loyalty card for the local Coop has to be handled. I notice other supermarkets have blue-tacked readers to the manual tills. I usually use the self-serve machines, and how often do they get swabbed? I was using a smart phone prodder and promptly lost it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: The Sandman Date: 09 Jun 20 - 03:20 PM i am still using coins, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JHW Date: 09 Jun 20 - 02:28 PM A month before lockdown I called in a corner shop. A vintage foreign lady (are you still allowed to say foreign) had been left to mind the shop and looked terrified, wearing a mask with a gas mask type insert and rubber gloves to take coins we were still using then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: punkfolkrocker Date: 09 Jun 20 - 01:22 PM only if you are much taller than 5 ft.. [I used to drink with a young undertaker nicknamed "Bonecrusher"..] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Senoufou Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:52 PM Hahaha Steve! Amazon sent me a tiny little tin opener in a 5ft long cardboard box. Husband looked at it thoughtfully, then said, "Hmmm. That would make a good coffin." Should I be worried?... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:41 PM I'm going to wear on my head a cardboard box with 2-metre sides. I have one somewhere that Amazon used to send me two light bulbs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Rain Dog Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:00 PM Full face snorkel mask with extended snorkel. Recommended length of snorkel is 2 m. High enough for you to avoid that nasty virus as it falls down to settle on the various surfaces and packages etc, that you will end up touching. The extended snorkel also has the added benefit of you being able to judge that you are 2 m distance from the virus riddled person in front of you. You merely have to nod you head. If your snorkel touches the other person you know that they are too close to you. If you are using the heavier version of the snorkel, you will find it comes in useful if the virus riddled person tries to argue that it is you who is too near. By repeatedly nodding your head you will be able to render them unconscious, enabling you to step over them and continue your shopping experience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 09 Jun 20 - 11:45 AM Roll up some Toilet paper. But don't "panic-buy"; timing is everything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: punkfolkrocker Date: 09 Jun 20 - 11:23 AM I was wondering how effective cigarette filters would be stuffed up each nostril.. But I don't smoke, and fags are too expensive anyway... Maybe, if we could buy a nasal equivalent of ear plugs...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: peregrina Date: 09 Jun 20 - 02:44 AM I suggest changing the title to Beards, PPE masks, and face coverings. As posts above recognise, research from many quarters shows that cloth face coverings plus satisfactory distancing significantly limit the spread of the virus. Cloth face coverings are not medical grade PPE. Until there is a vaccine, or until the virus is eliminated, we should all be covering faces when out in public places and maintaining distance. If you are looking for the security of a mask with better filtering that a homemade cloth mask, there are a number of cyclists anti pollution masks with high filtration, some with filters available that can match N95 filtration level. Here's a review of the Indepent's top ten. I found one for a very vulnerable family member that has brought a lot of peace of mind: Independent review of anti-pollution mask Serious wood workers masks also provide very high filtration levels. Eye shields (even just eye-glasses) are also beneficial. Fixed link. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Jun 20 - 01:09 AM Charts are out there that talk about the level of protection based upon the fabric used. Tightly woven cotton quilting fabric is excellent, and they recommend three layers. Flannel is even better, and when I use it I use a layer of flannel and a layer of quilting fabric or muslin as the backing. Denim is also dense and very good. Masks block your sneezes and output, and if you wear it over your nose (as you should, but as many people don't) then you also are less likely to inhale moisture cast off by someone else in the vicinity, especially if that party is breathing through their nose over a mask or not wearing a mask at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Neil D Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:55 PM I was wondering just how much protection these PPE masks etc can give against Covid19. Better than nothing I suppose, but not 100%. Senoufou, only the N95 mask will actually protect the wearer. The reason WHO and CDC are telling people to wear masks isn't to protect the wearer, but rather to protect others from the wearer. If everyone wore them the result would be the same but in my town no one wears them except me. I only go out to take my dogs to do their business and I always wear a mask. Mine is a NK95 so not as effective as the N95 but I can generally avoid people. The other night Bagel decided he needed to go poo at 3AM and I thought it would be a good chance to go maskless and enjoy the fresh nighttime air, because surely no one would be out at 3AM in our sleepy little town. Guess again. I was just bending over to pick up the poo, when up the walkway comes my friend Dea. Now, I love her dearly but she does like to talk. She did 7 minutes on taking care of her friends dog and another 8 on trying to get through to the unemployment people. I only once had to use my extended arm and cane to demonstrate the 6 feet distance she needed to maintain until she finally wound down and went on her way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: EBarnacle Date: 08 Jun 20 - 10:14 AM Many years ago, when I was working in a hospital job that occasionally required my presence in isolation rooms, my boss ordered me to shave my beard. I replied that I would mine if he cut his. He ended up getting me what I called a space helmet--a CPAP with a filtered air pump connected to the soft helmet by a corrugated tube. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JHW Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:32 AM There's a lot of interest here but I still don't know whether I have to shave my beard off. Note 'thin end of the wedge' remark. Curry houses I'm told are pushing for 1m instesd of 2m. (Can you eat curry with your mask on?) But sure if one area 'wins' distancing reduction they all will. They think its all over. I doubt it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:08 AM Well I had to go to the medical centre yesterday. No-one is allowed into the building not wearing a mask. They gave me one at the door. At the end of my visit I asked the senior practice nurse whether I could use the same mask again when I go next week. She said I could as long as I didn't get it wet (she didn't specify what kind of wet). Then she said that whatever I do I mustn't put my fingers behind the mask whilst wearing it. She demonstrated to me what she meant by sticking her fingers behind her mask. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Jun 20 - 05:06 PM The two types of masks I make are pleated and fitted. The pleated one covers more real estate, and is the type I have enlarged for big guys with beards. Three layers of fabric as recommended by CDC and various hospital sites. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: EBarnacle Date: 05 Jun 20 - 04:51 PM Many years ago, in my misspent childhood, I read that Native Americans used to remove facial hair using clam shells as tweezers. My beard has given me no real trouble with a standard mask. What I have found is that the vertical dimension of the masks is too short, allowing the bottom of the mask to ride up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Senoufou Date: 05 Jun 20 - 02:56 PM As I get older (and older) I find I'd have a small white beard if I didn't keep my tweezers busy hee hee! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Jeri Date: 05 Jun 20 - 02:24 PM Native Americans... yes, some can't grow beards. There was a guy I worked with in the Air Force, who had to have a waiver because his sideburns weren't in regulation - he didn't have any. It's like most everything though: it's a POSSIBLE genetic trait, but it's not universal. (In other words, it's true, unless it isn't.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Jun 20 - 12:53 PM Native Americans and many Africans and Asians grow no beards at all, some only at point of chin and above outside corners of mouth, but the full face beard and moustache is actually rare on our planet. I'm not sure where you picked up that tidbit, Mrrzy, but it is only partially correct. In fact, many African American men had to get dispensation so as to not have to shave close back in the days of no beards because of the way the hair follicles could bleed when hit with a razor. The standards of appearance vary around the world, and clean shaven seems to be preferred in Asian countries. Here is an essay by a Filipino man who bemoans not having a beard, and he discusses the topic and some of the lengths men go to to have beards. But it isn't all Asian men. It's a family thing, my ex is from the Caribbean and had a beard for years. It wasn't as heavy as my Euro father or brother can grow, but it was a long dark beard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Senoufou Date: 05 Jun 20 - 10:57 AM Ah no Mrrzy, he's had a very bushy beard for many years, and when we first met, a bushy moustache too! It's just the colour that changed - from jet black to snow white (and the extremely bushy hair on his head has a lot of white in it now , because he can't get to the African barber's to have it shaved!) I don't mind either way, beard on or off - except he now looks so much younger than me! I was wondering just how much protection these PPE masks etc can give against Covid19. Better than nothing I suppose, but not 100%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JHW Date: 05 Jun 20 - 09:26 AM Interesting about the genes. Maybe the colder weather. When I've seen folks with minimal beards I assumed they only liked the idea of having one. Mind mine's only face size, not down my chest like some. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 05 Jun 20 - 08:53 AM I'm not bearded but I find the mask I wear when doing sawing etc steams up my glasses and I'm glad to get it off. I dread having to wear one all day when we go up to London again if we still need to wear them, though I think it is a good idea, for reassurance of fellow travellers. I feel for front-line staff in all that uncomfortable gear day in and day out. RtS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Mrrzy Date: 05 Jun 20 - 08:19 AM Senoufou, the lack of beard on your boytoy's face may just be African. The only genes that give you hair all over your face and neck are European. Native Americans and many Africans and Asians grow no beards at all, some only at point of chin and above outside corners of mouth, but the full face beard and moustache is actually rare on our planet. The bearded medical professionals I know are trimming to the dreaded goatee to avoid clean-shaving; apparently if you shape it the way the mask fits you then the masks will fit you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Doug Chadwick Date: 05 Jun 20 - 06:35 AM I see this as the thin end of the wedge. It only takes one supermarket to think that they can reduce social distancing by making people wear masks and they will all be doing it. More people in the shop means more money at the tills. The Government will go along with it as it will be 'helping the economy to get back on track'. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Senoufou Date: 05 Jun 20 - 05:58 AM Long before Coronavirus appeared, I always dreaded the Park And Ride bus into Norwich. As you say JHW, people want the windows shut, and condensation runs down the panes. On top of that, I would cringe when people sneezed loudly into the air, not even using a handkerchief. Ditto coughing. I always called it the Mobile Death Chamber. Wouldn't even consider it now! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JHW Date: 05 Jun 20 - 05:42 AM Are you in the US or the UK? UK but thanks. Have a standard pack of masks. Doubt I'll dare get on a bus anyway. People have always shut all the windows to ensure max transmission of whatever was around. I grew my beard, long long ago to LOOK OLDER. So thanks for last tip, not the only suggestion I've had that lack of beard may improve appearance. Indeed one suggestion describes 2m dia ring of admirers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Senoufou Date: 05 Jun 20 - 03:57 AM Husband has been working throughout the lockdown (deep-cleaning at a High School,no pupils but several other cleaners) and has to wear a mask, plus other PPE stuff. His beard is very bristly and thick, although only on the very end of his chin. I think it might be something to do with Islam, but I haven't remembered to ask him. It was indeed getting in the way of the mask and irritating him, so he's now shaved it off. He looks so much younger (it was snow white) that the ladies in our village shop have been teasing me about my 'new toyboy'! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Mr Red Date: 05 Jun 20 - 03:06 AM you can have relatively cheap masks with your own pattern/advertising on. Less than 1 GBP each for 100 from the usual suspects. I used this company to produce my 4. Actually the other 3 say http://mister.red - you never know, one day we will all go to a folk festival again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: The Sandman Date: 05 Jun 20 - 02:49 AM jhw get yourself a burkha or maybe hijab |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Mr Red Date: 05 Jun 20 - 02:44 AM Shave the beard off, then attach a false beard to the mask... In the early days of the UK law about crash helmets on motorbikes, I saw one news article of a guy being stopped by the police because he had glued an afro wig over hs crash-hat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Donuel Date: 04 Jun 20 - 11:39 PM You don't see them often but the bush beard is the beard of choice by real men who eat quiche. It looks just like a triangular bush with a little vertical smile at the chin. Bikini bottoms make a perfect mask for bush beards. Frankie Fuckface has had one for years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:08 PM Goatee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Donuel Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:00 PM That was an out loud laugh to pfr & friends I have what I call Viking eyebrows. On the outer ends of each brow I have these few hairs that grow a half inch to 1 inch per day. They don't interfere with anything and might even come in handy if I go bald and need help with a wierd comb over. If I let them grow I could curl them and look like an orthodox Jew. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Doug Chadwick Date: 04 Jun 20 - 05:14 PM If the beard is long enough, sweep it up over the nose and mouth and fasten it to the hair above the ears for a built-in face mask. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Jun 20 - 04:12 PM I have been making masks for the last couple of months, and along the way and downsized for children and up-sized for beefy guys with beards. The one-size-fits-all approach is not effective for beards and/or big faces or noses. Are you in the US or the UK? In the US I can mail you a couple to try out. (There doesn't seem to be much international mail with the lack of frequent flights, hence not even trying to mail to the UK). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: punkfolkrocker Date: 04 Jun 20 - 04:10 PM Shave the beard off, then attach a false beard to the mask... |
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Subject: BS: Beards and PPE Masks From: JHW Date: 04 Jun 20 - 04:04 PM It is soon to be mandatory in UK to wear a Mask if using public transport (for protection of others rather than ones self) Like many folkies I have a beard. I reckoned I'd have to remove it to avoid ME breathing through beard rather than mask but must folkies in general all become clean shaven? |