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Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays

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Noreen 22 Sep 20 - 06:30 AM
Joe Offer 21 Sep 20 - 12:43 PM
Joe Offer 21 Sep 20 - 07:29 AM
Mrrzy 20 Sep 20 - 02:52 PM
Joe Offer 20 Sep 20 - 03:14 AM
leeneia 15 Sep 20 - 12:22 PM
Noreen 15 Sep 20 - 04:00 AM
leeneia 14 Sep 20 - 07:10 PM
Richard Mellish 14 Sep 20 - 06:00 AM
GerryM 14 Sep 20 - 05:33 AM
Joe Offer 13 Sep 20 - 11:39 PM
Felipa 09 Sep 20 - 12:59 PM
Richard Mellish 08 Sep 20 - 10:29 AM
Mrrzy 08 Sep 20 - 09:27 AM
Joe Offer 07 Sep 20 - 08:52 PM
Mrrzy 07 Sep 20 - 06:04 PM
Mrrzy 07 Sep 20 - 08:23 AM
Joe Offer 05 Sep 20 - 11:01 PM
Tattie Bogle 01 Sep 20 - 06:58 PM
pattyClink 01 Sep 20 - 01:34 PM
leeneia 01 Sep 20 - 11:31 AM
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MoorleyMan 25 Aug 20 - 07:29 AM
GUEST,Mysha 25 Aug 20 - 07:15 AM
rosma 25 Aug 20 - 06:43 AM
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Waddon Pete 25 Aug 20 - 03:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 12:55 PM

Hi, Noreen - we missed you, but we muddled through. I think we had a total of 44 people yesterday.
Here's the seminal US recording of "Miner's Lifeguard," by Pete Seeger and the Almanac Singers:


Here's an English recording by Bob Fox and Benny Graham, which uses the same melody:

Here's a great choral performance by Brian Connick and Cor Meibion Onllwyn (Onllwyn Male Voice Choir):


Maybe I'm mistaken and maybe the US and UK use the same melody for this song.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 06:30 AM

Sorry I missed it Joe, I’d be interested in your tune to the miner’s lifeguard. Hope all went well in my absence!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 12:43 PM

I sang "Miner's Lifeguard" and "Life's Railway to Heaven," which both use the same melody in the US. I understand that "Miner's Lifeguard" is sung to a different melody in Great Britain. I'd sure like to hear that different melody.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 07:29 AM

RBG and Scalia were notorious opera fans. Don't know that she spent much time on folk. See the RBG movie. The part on opera was delightful.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Sep 20 - 02:52 PM

What was RBG's fave folk song?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Sep 20 - 03:14 AM

I just sent out the emails with this week's link. If you didn't get one and would like to attend, email me, joe@mudcat.org

Hope to sing with you soon.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: leeneia
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 12:22 PM

Thank you for the information, Noreen. Apparently my sound settings are acceptable.

Zoom seemed a little peculiar on Monday - people's pictures popped up and then disappeared, even though they were not singing at the time, and twice it tried to sign out of the session without my asking it to.
But I suppose Zoom's system is under a lot of pressure now.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 04:00 AM

Your listening volume has no effect on what goes out, leeneia.
There are various settings you can adjust to make your sound the best it can be- if you join the session early next time (before we start singing) you can try adjusting settings and get feedback on what works best.

Another lovely session last night, thanks all!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: leeneia
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 07:10 PM

It was another enjoyable session. Thanks to the organizers.

I had a doctor's appt beforehand, and while I was waiting, I sang my song to warm up my voice. One might as well make use of the time.

By the way, I had to visit the ER mid-week, and while the DH and I waited in our room, we heard people laughing in the hall several times. This is not the view of an ER that we get from the media. (I came out okay.)

I have a question: during the Singaround, does the volume I set on the sliding bar of my own computer affect the volume at which my song goes out, or does Zoom make sure my volume is good?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 06:00 AM

I agree with Felipa about the variable quality/expertise/whatever you prefer to call it, but the same probably applies to most online singarounds, as indeed it does to in-person sessions when those are possible. If a session is to be recorded, anyone who wishes should be able to have the recording paused, whether because they feel that they're not very good or for any other reason (or no reason at all). That is how it works for Sharp's singarounds; but in practice I think few if any do request a pause.

But anyway Joe has sounded out participants for the Mudcat one so I won't pursue it beyond this post.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: GerryM
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 05:33 AM

If you don't join at the start, then you can only see and save the chat from the time you join (unless I'm missing some clever dodge). Joining at 7:30am Sydney time, I get to save roughly the second half of the chat.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 11:39 PM

The chat has almost all the lyrics to all the songs that were sung. I could post them if there's an interest, but it's easy to save the chat yourself. I've asked about recording the session, but too many people were reluctant about that.
Anybody who attends can save the chat to their own computer.
-Joe-

I sent emails with Monday's URL out on Saturday. If you didn't get an invitation and would like to attend, email me.

joe@mudcat.org


(if you'd like copies of the chat from previous sessions, email me)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Felipa
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 12:59 PM

I had already thought about how some Zoom events are also on youtube, and I concluded that it was a good thing that the Mudcat singaround isn't ... the quality - or should I say expertise - is very variable, which doesn't matter when we are a circle of friends but could be uncomfortable if we are exposed to anybody and everybody on line. Much as it would interest me to hear myself later, on the whole I prefer the privacy of an ephemeral session.

What I would like to have is a Mudcat thread run by the moderators, which would give a list each week of which songs were sung that Monday.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 10:29 AM

Some Zoom sessions are recorded and made available subsequently through YouTube or otherwise. Is this a possibility for the Mudcat Singaround? A few singers might want the recording paused for their bits, but I think most of us would be OK about being recorded, and it would give everyone the chance to catch up on whatever we've missed -- if we can find the time, of course.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 09:27 AM

I was about to ask what'd I miss?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 08:52 PM

We missed you, Mrr. It was a good session.
Come back next week.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 06:04 PM

I might not make it at all this week [sad frowny face] but have fun y'all!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 08:23 AM

I might be much later than usual.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Sep 20 - 11:01 PM

I emailed the invitations for Monday's singaround. If you didn't get an invitation and would like to attend, contact me by email, or watch this space on Monday for the link - for security reasons, I don't post the link publicly until just before the singaround.

Hope to see you there.

Joe Offer
joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:58 PM

Have missed too many! Been going through a bad patch with my hearing lately, (Meniere's Diease) but after that last injection, might be up for next week. Enjoyed those I have attended so far.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: pattyClink
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 01:34 PM

Thanks, leeneia! I did squint in and see some kind remarks, and tried to send a few remarks of my own. But, I did not realize when I was being 'paged' by Joe and could not 'keep an eye' on the text feed. I will have to study up and see what I can adjust.

I was blown away by all the wonderful songs and singers I heard. Including your 'Dog Days', I hope you have posted it on the 'cat or will soon!

I had hoped to go to several festivals and run some song sessions this year, and those plans got blown to bits. So this is such a wonderful thing to see and hear.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: leeneia
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 11:31 AM

Well, Patty, if you can't see the chat, then you missed the many compliments you received for a fine song and a sweet voice. One compliment was mine. Thanks for singing.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: pattyClink
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 10:55 PM

Thanks for the very kind welcome and encouragement on my first zoom try at the singaround today. Sorry I am dim about seeing chat messages but my machine shows the text at about 1-point size, and if I boost it to 2-point by going full screen I can hear my hard drive overheating.

Anyway, there was an old thread about the Willow Tree song, so I posted lyrics with chords over on that in case anybody wants to have a go at it.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GerryM
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 05:35 AM

I'm hoping to sing Used To Be A River, written by Sydneysider Craig Edmondson. I haven't found lyrics nor video anywhere on the web, so I'll post them here. The song, as Craig sings it, is not suitable for unaccompanied singing, so I've rearranged it as a call-and-response song, with the responses in parentheses.

Used to Be a River
Craig Edmondson

1. This used to be a river (used to be a river)
But now it is a sewer (now it is a sewer)
But it used to be a river,
And I wonder where the river got to go.

Chorus:
These changes, I have seen, I have seen
To the people and the places
Dear to me, dear to me.

2. This used to be a mountain (used to be a mountain)
But now it is a golf course (now it is a golf course)
But it used to be a mountain,
And I wonder where the mountain got to go.

Chorus

3. This used to be a forest (used to be a forest)
But now it is a Kmart (now it is a Kmart)
But it used to be a forest,
And I wonder where the forest got to go.

Chorus

4. You used to be my baby (used to be my baby)
But now you are a stranger (now you are a stranger)
But You used to be my baby,
And I wonder where my baby got to go.

Chorus (once or twice, as the spirit moves you)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 10:31 PM

Reilly is warbling I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen, which is inspiring me to think of what to sing on Monday...
One More Time!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 12:55 PM

I kissed her while the guitars played the Bonaparte's retreat...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 07:15 AM

There is "The broadside man" as another example of songs named (or at least described) within a song.

I always thought that it could be expanded as an album.

On the same theme, I have my "Harbour Wall" song on YouTube now with some of my fathers photos. I did think that because each verse covers a different aspect and time in the history of the harbour, it would be an idea to use each verse as an intro to other songs covering the same idea.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 05:53 PM

Thank you, Joe and Noreen. I'll listen in one of these Mondays coming up.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe_F
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 05:38 PM

I think I started a songs-mentioning-songs thread a while ago, but I can't find it.

One had better be careful to exclude songs (such as "Turkey in the Straw") that mention themselves, which could lead to an infinity of self-interruptions.

Anyway: The Whiffenpoof Song mentions "Shall I Wasting" and "Mavourneen" and the rest.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 07:29 AM

It's a fun idea, Paul, and might yield some interesting examples, but I agree with Mysha, more suitable for a discussion thread than an actual performance, which would be unwieldy to say the least, even if the sequential and overlap issues of zoom could be overcome. It's indicative tho', that almost all of the examples that spring readily to mind involve traditional tunes - and several of them are already done as "song-tune combis" in performance. Midnight on the Water, steady and slow...
With "songs within songs" tho', a full combi rendition would be less satisfying simply because of the desired effect of the placing within the original creation, IMHO. Take the above-mentioned Waltzing Matilda, which has its own designated placing and Purpose.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Mysha
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 07:15 AM

I guess this is more something for a Songs in Song thread. Is there such a thing?

'The band played "Waltzing Matilda"' would also fall in that category.


Bye
Mysha


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: rosma
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 06:43 AM

Richard, Galway Shawl ('I played "The Blackbird" and "The Stack of Barley", "Rodney's Glory" and "The Foggy Dew"') gives some serious scope.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Mysha
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 06:37 AM

Monique, maybe you can do something less loudly? Recite a poem, tell a story if the host allows. You're not limited to the chat like I am, so there must be ways to perform even if you're not supposed to make noise. (Well, listening to others would obviously fall in the no-=noise category as well.)

Bye
Mysha


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Mysha
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 06:30 AM

Are we supposed to remember all the tunes in The Devil went down to Georgia, or The Galway shawl, or the Monkeys wedding?

Mysha


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 05:17 AM

In the chat before yesterday's session, Paul Clarke posted this:
" I'm planting this little 'bomb' to see if it creates any buzz among you: Mudcat Zoom session, with a theme of songs/tunes within songs. Songs that reference other music would be sung, and broken off at the appropriate point for [I'd moot] another performer to render the mentioned tune, or in the case of a song, to segue one after the other. I think I've listed, or been triggered to note but forgotten to[!], about 15 of these, but with all the Cat brains jointly at work on the idea, I'm sure many more would crop up. Perhaps needs a couple of weeks' notice, esp. to tout for the musical partner, but worth considering?
When I get back, I may ask the question again, with some examples. Meantime, what does Joe O and others think of it."

That could indeed be fun, but it will certainly need considerable advance planning to identify the relevant songs and tunes and the personnel to perform them.

Paul, if you see this, please post your list to save us racking our brains for examples that you've already thought of.

The only one that I can think of immediately is Byker Hill and Walker Shore referring to "the tune of Elsie Marley".


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 04:24 AM

ooops that was me in last post - didn't realise I'd been logged out!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 04:23 AM

So sorry to have missed this week but had some work committments and a deadline that took priority. Hope to be there next week.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 04:04 AM

This regular sing is encouraging me to refresh songs from way back, sometimes because of mentions here on Mudcat, sometimes after my memory has been jogged by other songs sung or discussions between songs.
As leeneia says above, it is a safe place to perform with a VERY interested and supportive audience, all in our own rooms around the world.

I still find it amazing that I take part in an event with other performers from so many other countries in so many time zones. (I’ll post a list of all the countries I am aware of, when I’ve checked to make sure I’ve left no country out!)

So if you’re thinking of joining us, please do! Just come and listen if you like, or take part :)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 03:13 AM

Another lovely session! Thanks folks and special thanks to Joe for your hard work behind the scenes.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Monique
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 02:50 AM

I enjoy it a lot. Like Leeneia I enjoy the variety of songs and the lyrics in the chat.
I regret I can't stay longer and sing another song as I'm not supposed to make noise after 10pm (1pm Pacific time) but it'd be far too late anyway.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 12:43 AM

It was a nice assortment of songs today!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: leeneia
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 12:40 AM

I enjoy the singarounds. I don't get nervous; it's as relaxing as singing for little kids. Today I fluffed a line and it didn't bother me a bit.

I enjoy the variety of songs, and I like it that Joe posts the words whenever he can. Thanks, Joe.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 09:50 PM

Another wonderful gathering. Thank you all for coming. See you next Monday.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Noreen
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 05:26 PM

Still going strong, come join us!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 11:35 AM

Joe, it totally totally helps! Thanks! Stay out of the fires!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 12:28 AM

You're welcome to come in and listen and say hello, APC. Link will be in this thread 2 hours before, or you can email me if you want to be on the weekly notification list.
Yeah, I guess I'm still doing the "public service thing." I hope it helps.
joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Aug 20 - 11:24 PM

What other kind of circumcision is there?

No but seriously, any genre requests? I can't think of what I want to sing...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 23 Aug 20 - 05:20 PM

Just dropped in on a whim, after spending a fair amount of time on Chiff and Fipple and latterly wasting vast amounts of time on Twitter over the last few years.

Delighted to see there are some familiar names still showing up, and totally unsurprised to see Joe still doing that public-service thing.
And almost nostalgic to see that my old work email address popped up when I logged in again, given that I retired in 2011.

I originally ventured into the Café on a work-related mission, believe it or not: a senior official in my workplace wanted to quote some verses of "The maid of Aughrim" in a speech, and I was blown away by how, within 24 hours, Catters in different parts of the world came up with more information than I could possibly use. So a worldwide singaround sounds particularly appropriate.

I drifted away from the Mudcat for a variety of reasons, one of which I won't go into, but also because, as a non-singer, I always felt like a bit of a chancer with little to contribute, and C&F became a better fit. I might listen in to one of the next Zoomarounds.

BTW, does a surgical circumcision count, Joe? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Aug 20 - 01:50 PM

Singaround emails have been sent out. I post the URL for the Singaround here about 2 hours before we start, but don't want to post it publicly earlier. If I forget, maybe Noreen will remember and post it here.
If you'd like to be on the email list, email me at joe@mudcat.org

Hope to sing with you tomorrow!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GerryM
Date: 19 Aug 20 - 03:46 AM

Richard, The Buckjumper is in Ron Edwards, Great Australian Folk Songs. Edwards writes,

The Buckjumper is an unpublished song from the collection of English folklorist A. L. Lloyd. He sent this to me in 1972, and I gather that he collected it when he was in Australia in the late 1920s. Oddly enough I have on tape an account of an almost identical incident recounted to me by an ex-horsebreaker.
It goes to the tune "Villikins and his Dinah."

Richard's lyrics are almost identical to the lyrics in Edwards. The only significant differences are

2nd stanza, 1st line, Edwards has: Three days she was handled, then I saddled and rode her.

4th stanza, 5th line, Edwards has: She minced up to me

"arse-about" is correct

Promised Land is capitalized in Edwards; I wonder whether that was the name of some well-known racehorse.


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