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Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays

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GUEST,Chris Lamb 05 Jun 20 - 06:01 AM
Waddon Pete 05 Jun 20 - 11:28 AM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 06 Jun 20 - 02:06 PM
Sarah the flute 06 Jun 20 - 03:53 PM
Noreen 06 Jun 20 - 07:31 PM
Joe Offer 06 Jun 20 - 08:38 PM
GUEST,SteveT 07 Jun 20 - 03:42 AM
Joe Offer 07 Jun 20 - 04:35 AM
Joe Offer 07 Jun 20 - 06:22 AM
Mrrzy 07 Jun 20 - 09:03 AM
GUEST,Ed 07 Jun 20 - 12:16 PM
GUEST,Susanne (skw) 07 Jun 20 - 08:14 PM
Joe Offer 08 Jun 20 - 08:00 PM
Joe Offer 09 Jun 20 - 12:20 AM
SPB-Cooperator 09 Jun 20 - 09:27 AM
Joe Offer 10 Jun 20 - 12:35 AM
GUEST,Gerry 10 Jun 20 - 02:13 AM
Joe Offer 10 Jun 20 - 03:10 AM
Anne Lister 10 Jun 20 - 07:51 AM
Herga Kitty 10 Jun 20 - 11:52 AM
Tattie Bogle 10 Jun 20 - 09:07 PM
Joe Offer 11 Jun 20 - 03:33 AM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Jun 20 - 08:46 PM
Joe Offer 11 Jun 20 - 10:26 PM
My guru always said 12 Jun 20 - 04:09 AM
Tattie Bogle 15 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM
Acorn4 15 Jun 20 - 02:21 PM
Tattie Bogle 15 Jun 20 - 03:05 PM
Joe Offer 15 Jun 20 - 06:54 PM
Noreen 15 Jun 20 - 07:46 PM
Noreen 21 Jun 20 - 02:45 PM
Susan of DT 22 Jun 20 - 06:16 AM
GUEST 22 Jun 20 - 09:38 AM
Stilly River Sage 22 Jun 20 - 11:45 AM
Black belt caterpillar wrestler 22 Jun 20 - 05:22 PM
SPB-Cooperator 23 Jun 20 - 04:44 AM
JennieG 23 Jun 20 - 09:11 PM
Mrrzy 28 Jun 20 - 01:40 PM
GUEST,Gerry 28 Jun 20 - 07:50 PM
leeneia 28 Jun 20 - 11:56 PM
Joe Offer 29 Jun 20 - 12:05 AM
Susan of DT 29 Jun 20 - 07:38 PM
YorkshireYankee 30 Jun 20 - 01:32 AM
YorkshireYankee 30 Jun 20 - 01:49 AM
Joe Offer 05 Jul 20 - 03:24 AM
SPB-Cooperator 05 Jul 20 - 04:52 AM
Mrrzy 05 Jul 20 - 08:12 AM
Joe Offer 06 Jul 20 - 03:10 AM
SPB-Cooperator 10 Jul 20 - 09:10 AM
Tattie Bogle 10 Jul 20 - 06:57 PM
Mrrzy 10 Jul 20 - 07:55 PM
Joe Offer 10 Jul 20 - 08:10 PM
YorkshireYankee 12 Jul 20 - 11:09 PM
Joe Offer 13 Jul 20 - 03:19 AM
Noreen 13 Jul 20 - 06:06 AM
Mrrzy 13 Jul 20 - 03:09 PM
SPB-Cooperator 13 Jul 20 - 08:22 PM
Richard Mellish 14 Jul 20 - 06:04 AM
YorkshireYankee 14 Jul 20 - 08:26 PM
YorkshireYankee 14 Jul 20 - 08:44 PM
Noreen 15 Jul 20 - 05:17 AM
Mysha 15 Jul 20 - 09:01 AM
Monique 16 Jul 20 - 02:54 AM
Bearheart 18 Jul 20 - 05:39 PM
Bearheart 19 Jul 20 - 10:16 PM
Black belt caterpillar wrestler 20 Jul 20 - 12:49 PM
GUEST,Gerry 20 Jul 20 - 08:22 PM
GUEST,Gerry 20 Jul 20 - 08:30 PM
Mrrzy 20 Jul 20 - 08:31 PM
Monique 21 Jul 20 - 01:23 AM
SPB-Cooperator 21 Jul 20 - 05:18 AM
SPB-Cooperator 21 Jul 20 - 05:26 AM
GUEST,Gerry 21 Jul 20 - 05:31 AM
Stilly River Sage 21 Jul 20 - 07:49 AM
Stilly River Sage 21 Jul 20 - 07:59 AM
GUEST,Gerry 21 Jul 20 - 08:36 AM
Stilly River Sage 21 Jul 20 - 09:46 AM
Joe Offer 21 Jul 20 - 01:45 PM
Bearheart 22 Jul 20 - 06:00 PM
Joe Offer 26 Jul 20 - 07:52 PM
Joe Offer 27 Jul 20 - 02:14 PM
Noreen 27 Jul 20 - 03:12 PM
Joe Offer 27 Jul 20 - 06:08 PM
GUEST,Gerry 27 Jul 20 - 08:34 PM
Noreen 28 Jul 20 - 05:45 AM
Richard Mellish 28 Jul 20 - 11:52 AM
Rex 28 Jul 20 - 12:49 PM
GUEST,Rob Mad Jock Wright 31 Jul 20 - 11:13 AM
GUEST,Rob Mad Jock Wright 31 Jul 20 - 11:14 AM
Joe Offer 03 Aug 20 - 09:00 PM
GUEST,Gerry 04 Aug 20 - 03:51 AM
SPB-Cooperator 10 Aug 20 - 11:29 AM
GUEST 10 Aug 20 - 02:21 PM
Noreen 10 Aug 20 - 02:33 PM
Joe Offer 10 Aug 20 - 10:05 PM
Waddon Pete 11 Aug 20 - 02:42 AM
leeneia 11 Aug 20 - 01:21 PM
MoorleyMan 11 Aug 20 - 02:28 PM
Joe Offer 15 Aug 20 - 11:31 PM
Richard Mellish 16 Aug 20 - 08:53 AM
Joe Offer 16 Aug 20 - 04:23 PM
Noreen 17 Aug 20 - 02:41 PM
John MacKenzie 17 Aug 20 - 04:13 PM
Joe Offer 17 Aug 20 - 08:50 PM
Waddon Pete 18 Aug 20 - 02:20 AM
Sarah the flute 18 Aug 20 - 03:48 AM
Richard Mellish 18 Aug 20 - 08:18 AM
GerryM 19 Aug 20 - 03:46 AM
Joe Offer 23 Aug 20 - 01:50 PM
An Pluiméir Ceolmhar 23 Aug 20 - 05:20 PM
Mrrzy 23 Aug 20 - 11:24 PM
Joe Offer 24 Aug 20 - 12:28 AM
Mrrzy 24 Aug 20 - 11:35 AM
Noreen 24 Aug 20 - 05:26 PM
Joe Offer 24 Aug 20 - 09:50 PM
leeneia 25 Aug 20 - 12:40 AM
Stilly River Sage 25 Aug 20 - 12:43 AM
Monique 25 Aug 20 - 02:50 AM
Waddon Pete 25 Aug 20 - 03:13 AM
Noreen 25 Aug 20 - 04:04 AM
GUEST 25 Aug 20 - 04:23 AM
Sarah the flute 25 Aug 20 - 04:24 AM
Richard Mellish 25 Aug 20 - 05:17 AM
GUEST,Mysha 25 Aug 20 - 06:30 AM
GUEST,Mysha 25 Aug 20 - 06:37 AM
rosma 25 Aug 20 - 06:43 AM
GUEST,Mysha 25 Aug 20 - 07:15 AM
MoorleyMan 25 Aug 20 - 07:29 AM
Joe_F 25 Aug 20 - 05:38 PM
An Pluiméir Ceolmhar 25 Aug 20 - 05:53 PM
Black belt caterpillar wrestler 26 Aug 20 - 07:15 AM
Mrrzy 28 Aug 20 - 12:55 PM
Mrrzy 29 Aug 20 - 10:31 PM
GerryM 31 Aug 20 - 05:35 AM
pattyClink 31 Aug 20 - 10:55 PM
leeneia 01 Sep 20 - 11:31 AM
pattyClink 01 Sep 20 - 01:34 PM
Tattie Bogle 01 Sep 20 - 06:58 PM
Joe Offer 05 Sep 20 - 11:01 PM
Mrrzy 07 Sep 20 - 08:23 AM
Mrrzy 07 Sep 20 - 06:04 PM
Joe Offer 07 Sep 20 - 08:52 PM
Mrrzy 08 Sep 20 - 09:27 AM
Richard Mellish 08 Sep 20 - 10:29 AM
Felipa 09 Sep 20 - 12:59 PM
Joe Offer 13 Sep 20 - 11:39 PM
GerryM 14 Sep 20 - 05:33 AM
Richard Mellish 14 Sep 20 - 06:00 AM
leeneia 14 Sep 20 - 07:10 PM
Noreen 15 Sep 20 - 04:00 AM
leeneia 15 Sep 20 - 12:22 PM
Joe Offer 20 Sep 20 - 03:14 AM
Mrrzy 20 Sep 20 - 02:52 PM
Joe Offer 21 Sep 20 - 07:29 AM
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Subject: Mudcat online singaround?
From: GUEST,Chris Lamb
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 06:01 AM

Link posted Mondays for the week's Mudcat Worldwide Song Circle


Topic: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - open for cocktails and conversation half an hour earlier Time:Monday 12:00 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)
8 PM London, 3 PM New York, Noon Los Angeles, 5 AM Tuesday in Sydney.



Back in March, on a thread that's now closed, Joe Offer said: "And I think it would be really nice if we could have a weekly Mudcat singaround online."
Was this suggestion taken up? It would be great to put a face and a voice to some of the regular Mudcatters and to hear them sing, on Zoom, perhaps. I'd love to hear Jim Carroll sing again, for example, as I haven't heard him or Pat McKenzie sing since Critics Group days.

The many singarounds that have sprung up since lockdown started have brought together some fine singers from across the seas and enabled us to hear those we would never have been able to listen to in normal times.
Can the Mudcat community respond to this opportunity?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 11:28 AM

Now there's an idea!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 02:06 PM

Go for it!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 03:53 PM

That sounds good to me
Nothing much else on a Monday and 9pm start is good

Sarah


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: Noreen
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 07:31 PM

I’m up for it too, 9pm Mondays is good for me, and Zoom works well.

Are you up for organising it Joe? ??


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 08:38 PM

Okey-dokey. I think we have a minyan. Well, it's supposed to be 10 adult, circumcised males, but we'll make do with what we've got.

Monday at 8 PM London time. That's Noon here in California, 3 PM at Mudcat Central in Pennsylvania, and 5 AM in Sydney.



I'll host. I'll post the link to the Zoom session here in this thread just one hour before we begin, and I'll open hp half an hour early at 8:30 PM for cocktails and conversation. There will be a waiting room, and I reserve the right to reject people I don't recognize - so please use your Mudcat names. Sorry.

This should be fun!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: GUEST,SteveT
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 03:42 AM

Is this for signed up Mudcat members only or can 'Guests' (using usual Mudcat Guest sign-in names) also listen in?
Steve, if you'd like to be on the email list, email me, joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:35 AM

I don't expect to be particularly restrictive, Steve. Just use the name you usually use at Mudcat.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 06:22 AM

When you enter Zoom, you will usually be give the opportunity to give the name you want to be known by for the session. If you have not used Zoom since June 1, you may be asked to update to the new, encrypted Version 5 of Zoom. It seems to be quite stable, so just OK the download and there you go - good reason to show up early, though.

I'm looking forward to this.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 09:03 AM

What time Mudcat time, just to be precise?

Monday at 8 PM London time. That's Noon here in California, 3 PM at Mudcat Central in Pennsylvania, and 5 AM in Sydney.



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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 12:16 PM

Joe,

I well remember the Hearme/PalTalk sessions of many moons ago.

I was never a contributor but very much enjoyed listening in.

I've not investigated or installed Zoom as yet, but would it be OK with you and the others if I tuned in passively?

Ed Pellow


Sure. Ed. When it's your turn, just say you want to pass.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat online singaround Monday 9 PM London time
From: GUEST,Susanne (skw)
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 08:14 PM

This is great! I'll try to join at my local (Kiel) time of 10 PM. Not sure my camera is working, though. Would I still be allowed in, Joe?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Monday NOW!!!~!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 08:00 PM

All over after 4 hours of singing, and it was lovely. I will keep hosting a singaround on Mondays, but I will move it to 8 PM London time. Noreen did a splendid job as co-host, by the way.

Anybody want to host a second Mudcat sing on another day, maybe Thursday?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:20 AM

This was absolutely what Mudcat is supposed to be. I can't believe how wonderful this gathering was. Hope to see you all again next Monday.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 09:27 AM

I'll try to get to this. If one wanted to get really ambitious, how about a 24 hour worldwide singathon on a later date, then that can take into account time-zones. Will the session be on Zoom Business (300 participants) as Zoom pro is limited to 100.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 12:35 AM

I will post the link in this thread Monday, an hour before the gathering. I will also send links by personal message Sunday, to members who post in this thread. If you've pasted anything above, you'll get a pm from me Sunday. Sorry, I can't send personal messages to Guests, so you'll have to look here Monday for the link.
I will change the meeting ID every week for security purposes.
I can't handle anything that comes in Monday, because I'm teaching a Class Mondays and have just half an hour free after the class.
Looking forward to seeing you Monday.
Joe


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 02:13 AM

If it starts 5AM Tuesday Sydney time (Monday elsewhere, but Tuesday here), and goes on for three or four hours, does that mean if I don't get up at 5 I'll still be able to join in partway through?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 03:10 AM

You betcha, Gerry. We really need to have people from Australia and New Zealand to make this gathering truly worldwide. As people come in, I assign them a number and we sing in numerical order. I'm hoping we can go twice around the group, even if the singaround lasts six hours. This week, we went around twice and lasted 4 hours, but I'll do my best to make sure everybody gets a chance to sing at least once. There are so many Mudcatters that I want to hear.

There's a problem, though. Zoom is a memory hog. After about 3 hours, my computer gets a bit shaky and I really need to reboot. I had very bad service during the last hour of our session. I'm afraid to reboot, because I'm afraid I'll end the session and lose everybody. I'm wondering if I reassign the session to another host, if I can leave and reboot, and then rejoin the session.

I had Noreen as cohost and she is certainly competent to handle anything (as many of you know). Could I have made her host and handed off to her while I rebooted? I noticed that she was getting a bit unstable toward the end, but I wonder if she had rebooted and come back and taken over as host, if then I could reboot and come back.

Anybody know?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Anne Lister
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 07:51 AM

Just a quick note - for those there at the start on Monday and the mention of Friday 13th and the Templars - I've opened a different thread. It looks as if I'm the only one who's looked at it or contributed, so maybe my subject line isn't clear enough! I've called it "from the song circle - Friday 13th".
I'll try and join in again, but my stamina wouldn't be strong enough to cope with three hours on Zoom myself. I'll happily raise a glass to those who can!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 11:52 AM

I'm usually in the virtual Herga club on Mondays and one of our local Dorset clubs on Thursdays, but it was good to put faces to names on Monday and I will try to look in to the Mudcat song sessions for a while - at least the time difference means I can join Mudcat after the England-based sessions finish, if I'm still awake enough!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 09:07 PM

Regarding the re-boot question, Joe: a few weeks back, I was both host and quiz-mistress on our weekly family quiz when my computer suddenly froze! No cursor, nothing! I had to crash shutdown and re-boot, which took ages, then get back into Zoom - another eternity, it seemed. But when I finally got back in, everyone else was still there: they had been having a great chat in my absence.
So, it seems the meeting only terminates if/when you "end meeting": you can leave and come back even if you are the host.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jun 20 - 03:33 AM

Just to clarify - I'm asking if somebody else might like to host a singaround on Thursday....


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jun 20 - 08:46 PM

I'm not a frequent visitor these days, so I've only just seen this. Sounds great, and it's the kind of positive development I've been expecting to see happening with the lockdown that could maybe enrich our world when it's over.

But I haven't a clue to how this Zoom thing works. No, I don't mean the techie stuff, I don't need to know that any more than I do for my iPad or my TV. But, how do I set about using it. I've got the app loaded on my iPad, but it's just sitting there.

Someone point me where I can get up to speed, and join in. Or even just look in.

As Joe said up the thread: "This was absolutely what Mudcat is supposed to be. "


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jun 20 - 10:26 PM

Hi, Kevin - I'll post the link here on Monday, half an hour before we start at 8 PM London time. If you have a camera and a microphone on your computer or iPad, you're all set. Click the link, and Zoom will set itself up.
Zoom came out with an encrypted version within the last two weeks, and that should take care of most of the security problems people were worried about.
Hope to see you Monday!
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: My guru always said
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 04:09 AM

It was wonderful to see & hear so many Catters on Monday, would love to be Zooming with you again. Thanks so much for organising it Joe, you made a great job of herding us Cats xx


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM

A couple of useful videos for anyone unfamiliar with Zoom, and how to improve it for music use: (not sure why the second one is so much longer, when there's actually less that you can do!!)
1. For PCs/Macs/laptops
Zoom for PCs etc
2. For iPads/tablets/phones:
Zoom for iPads/tablets/phones

And one other thing: best to install Zoom on your device, which you can do any time before the meeting starts: if you do that, then all you need to do is, at the appointed time, open the Zoom software,go to "Join a Meeting" and use the meeting number and password.
You don't need the long url if you do it that way: I know of several people who have failed to get in as they used the long url where they should have put the meeting number!

May see you later!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Acorn4
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 02:21 PM

I'll try to come along tonight if I'm recognised (haven't done the bit signing in with an alias yet.

If you're using a PC or laptop these tips might be useful.

The problem with Zoom is that it was designed for conferencing not singing. It interprets long held notes or instruments as background noise and tries to cut them out.

On the main screen normally at the top left (usually) there is a tab which says "turn on original sound" - make sure this is "on".

Go into audio settings:-

unclick "auto adjust volume"

You can adjust your own and incoming voluem here.


Go into "Advanced"

Make sure "enable original sound" is "on".

Disable both settings for background noise (persistent and the other one)

leave "echo cancellation" enabled.


These settings should save themselves but it pays to check each session..

Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 03:05 PM

All that in the video I linked to Acorn 4: it does make a big difference, especially if you are playing an instrument.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 06:54 PM

Here's an example of the sophisticated and civilized songs we hear on Monday afternoons....

Thread #16400   Message #2530997
Posted By: SPB-Cooperator
04-Jan-09 - 03:50 AM
Thread Name: Animal Songs
Subject: ADD: I Hates Elephants (SPB Cooperator)

I hates elephants, I do!
I hates elephants, I do!
Elephants they are not nice
And while I'm at it, I don't like mice
I hates Elephants, I do!

I hates Aardvarks, I do!
I hates Aardvarks, I do!
I don't like the Aardvark's nose
And I hates hippos I suppose
I hates Aardvarks, I do!

I hates lions, I do!
I hates lions, I do!
I don't lik ethe lion's roar
And I don't like the tiger's claw
I hates lions, I do!

I hates wallabies, I do!
I hates wallabies, I do!
I don't like the way they jump
And camels just give me the hump
I hates wallabies, I do!

I hates peoples, I do!
I hates peoples, I do!
Peoples jusr get in the way
Why can't they a;ll go away?
I hates peoples, I do!

I don't want to go home!
I don't want to go home!
Why must we go? Whay can't we stay?
Why can'twe be at the zoo all day?
I don't want to go home!

hates elephants, I do!
I hates elephants, I do!
Elephants they are not nice
And while I'm at it, I don't like mice
I hates Elephants, I do!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 07:46 PM

:)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 02:45 PM

Yes that’s right Amergin, for security reasons the new link is only put up about an hour before the start each week, so less likely to attract gatecrashers.

I think it’s even better than the old HearMe (which I remember very fondly) because we can see each other too!
Joe Offer has of course gone another step further and often searches for and adds info and words for the song being sung, in the chat box in real time... which sets this Mudcat Singaround apart from all others I’ve been involved with.

Mudcat is once again in the vanguard of new ideas!
(I wonder whether the wonderful Max might join us one week?!)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Susan of DT
Date: 22 Jun 20 - 06:16 AM

How does this work? I just got a camera for my computer. Do I need to download anything? Is it Zoom? What do I need to do?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 20 - 09:38 AM

Yes, it’s Zoom. Install it before you first need it. Make sure your mic and camera are switched on, then sit back and wait for the link to be posted! Simples....


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays 8 PM London
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jun 20 - 11:45 AM

The link people have posted here gives the first-time user the opportunity to download the software even if they load it before or during the event.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!!!
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 22 Jun 20 - 05:22 PM

Nice to put faces to names!
Had to leave early I'm afraid.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 Jun 20 - 04:44 AM

Hi Joe

Thanks for another great session. My apologies for being dogged with tech problems last night - a combination of my pc freezing, and slowing down a few times (robot in a tin box syndrome!) and internet destabilising. While it is frustrating when this happens, it can be amusing watching the feed catch up, a bit like fast forwards on a DVD player.

I have been enjoying on line sessions - this one and others in UK, and I think I must be close to singing more times than all the 12 years since I left the Shanty Crew combined - I think I am even beginning to get the power in my voice back (a year ago I would have struggled to get to the end of a song before my voice starts cracking up). Just need to work on my memory as I seem to be forgetting the odd line of everything I used to do.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: JennieG
Date: 23 Jun 20 - 09:11 PM

I would love to join in, but geez......5 a.m. is stupid dark early o'clock here, being in winter as we currently are. Besides which, who has a singing voice at that hour? Not me, for sure; I'm not a morning person at the best (or the worst) of times.

But I know how to Zoom. We have a family trivia quiz every Sunday evening on Zom with our son, DIL and The One And Only Grandkid, and son's in-laws, all of whom live two days' drive away. DIL is a music teacher so has been using Zoom with her pupils.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 01:40 PM

JennieG, we tend to be there for 5 hours or more, so could you come in at 7 or 8?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 07:50 PM

JennieG, that's what I've done the last two weeks, from Sydney. I join around 7:30am, and it goes for another two hours or so.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: leeneia
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 11:56 PM

Susan, here's my non-expert advice on how to get started;

Put Zoom.us in your URL box. (Note the dot after Zoom)

Fill in your e-mail address.

Click on "sign up for free"

Follow the prompts down the rabbit hole. What you are doing is setting up a free Zoom account for yourself so you can call and join meetings in the future.

It worked for me.
====================

When it's time for the sing-a-round, get your camera, microphone and earphones (if any) plugged in and ready.

When it's 8 pm in London and 3 pm in New York, a link to the session will appear here. Copy the link into your URL box, and it will take you to the session. Click 'join with audio' or something like that.
It's pretty clear what to do. This is one hour before the official start, but people like to chat.

The sessions are pretty long, so don't worry if you miss the start. I plan to be there.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays, 8 London time
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 12:05 AM

OK, so I'm giving up on the practice of sending personal messages to everyone who has posted to this thread. I've built an email list and I will be sending out a link to Monday's singaround within half an hour. I think I have correct email addresses for everyone, except the honorable Black Belt Caterpillar Wrestler and Acorn4.
If you'd like to be put on the email list, email me, joe@mudcat.org

Looking forward to singing with you tomorrow. If we're lucky, maybe Mrzzy will sing something in Hungarian for us.

Thanks again to Noreen and Casey for acting as co-hosts.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround NOW!!!!
From: Susan of DT
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 07:38 PM

Joe asked me for the words to the version of Boy and the Mantle (Child #29) that I sang. The one in the Digital Tradition is the long version from Percy. I played with it quite a bit to get a singable version, most of the word editing was from Allan Taylor. I did not like his tune, so I asked Dick Greenhaus to give some tunes it would sing to and selected one. Here is my version:

BOY AND THE MANTLE

IN the third month of the year, to Carlisle did come                        
A gentle and a courteous child, that knew much wisdom
God speed thee, King Arthur, sitting at thy meat
And the goodly Queen Guenever, I cannot her forget.

I have with me a mantle no lady can resist
But it shall ne’er become that wife that once has done amiss
But if she be unfaithful, in tatters it shall fall
And if she be honest, she will brighten any hall

And first there came Queen Guenever, for she should lead the way
But if she was surely in great doubt, she did not say
And then she took the mantle as if she had been a maid:
Suddenly from the top to the toe it loosely fell in shreds.

And then it colored brightest red, and then it colored green
And then it colored darkest black, so ill did her beseem
And then upspoke King Arthur, and angrier he grew
By all the knights in this court, I think thou be not true

She threw down the mantle, for all the court to see;
And blushed as red as roses, and to her room did flee.
Sir Kay called forth his lady, and bade her to come near;
And said, if thou be guilty, I pray thee hold thee there

So forth came his lady so bold she did appear
And likewise was embarrassed and cried for all to hear
And likewise all the gentle knights who thought their wives most true
Commanded them to try it on and bitterly did rue

Then there came a faded knight, Sir Craddock was his name
And all the knights of Arthur’s court, of him had sport and game
Win this mantle, lady, and it shall all be thine,
If thou ever did amiss, the shame it shall be mine.

When his lady took the mantle his lady cast it her about,
Bow down, good mantle, and shame me not for nought.
For once I did but one amiss, I’ll tell you certainly,
For once I lay in Craddock’s bed before he married me.

When she had made confession, and all her sins she had told;
The mantle stood about her in bright array she stood
So seemly of color, and glittering like gold:
Then all the knights about this court her beauty did behold.
So Craddock stood in glory, his lady proven true
All the knights in Arthur’s court have surely got their due

Printed in Percy's Reliques of Ancient English Poetry, vol III
version sung by Allan Taylor to a different tune than I use
Child #29
SOF


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 30 Jun 20 - 01:32 AM

Here are the words for the EU Anthem I sang at yesterday's session (I've also added them to the "National Anthems" thread):

ODE TO JOY
(new words ©Vikki Fielden, 15/1/19)

Let us sing in celebration
Of a union strong and free
Though we are of many nations
Europeans proud are we

As we join in joint endeavour
Let us strive for truth and peace
As our nations work together
May our friendships never cease

Let us sing in celebration
Of a union strong and free
Though we are of many nations
Europeans proud are we

Grant us grace, that we may we live our
Lives in peace and unity
And in future we may give our
Children hope and harmony

Let us sing in celebration
Of a union strong and free
Though we are of many nations
Europeans proud are we
Though we are of many nations
Europeans proud are we


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 30 Jun 20 - 01:49 AM

And here are the words for my UK vs US English parody of "My Favorite Things", as a number of people seemed interested. (I've posted it in a Mudcat thread before now, but I've revised it since then, so might as well share the updated version.)

Below the lyrics, I've added a glossary, for those who may not be familiar with all the terms.

Don’t Know the Words... (for My FavoUrite Things)
TTO: Rodger & Hammerstein’s My Favorite Things
New words: Vikki Appleton Fielden

Jelly is jam here, and jello is jelly
The car has a boot and my foot wears a wellie
Mention “sultanas”, I think "Eastern Kings"
Don’t know the words for my favourite things

Summat is not where you go when you’re climbing
Jumper is not someone into sky diving
Bob is Your uncle, the Beeb is your aunt
Don’t know the words to explain what I want

If my languish causes anguish; if you think me sad
Oh, won’t you remember I’m just a poor Yank,
and that’s why I talk... so bad

Beer’s sold by landlords instead of bartenders
Don’t tell the clerk that your man needs suspenders
Braces are not always worn on your teeth
Rubber is nothing to do with a sheath

I stand in line; over here it’s called queueing
Lines are engaged but they never need wooing
You stop while five while I stay until four
Knob isn’t always a thing on a door

If I speak, luv, like a freak, luv; if you think me mad
Oh, won’t you remember I’m just a poor Yank,
and that’s why I talk... so bad

Biscuits are sweet but a tart can be racy,
a Nice bit o’ crumpet might wear something lacy
Crackers are not always eaten with cheese
Folks don’t wear flannels but you can wear fleece

Chips come with haddock; and crisps in a packet
Soccer is football and baseball’s not cricket
Stockings have ladders and Cricket has runs
Baps is the word for my favourite buns

If you’re thinkin’ I’ve been drinkin’; if I seem a cad
Oh, won’t you remember I’m just a poor Yank,
and that’s why I talk... so bad

Two pints of bitter was not a bad notion
Held up two fingers and caused a commotion
I didn’t quack but you called me a duck
Muffler’s not something to quiet a truck

You call me luv; I don’t know who you are, pet
But when I say shag, ducks, I only mean carpet
Met a cute bloke at the Anchor & Bull
Kept my hands off him but he said I pulled

I get confused but I can’t ask my granny
My knickers are knackered and show off my f...reckles
You can go barking though you’re not a dog,
Everyone goes to the loo in a swamp... (um, bog!)

If my diction causes friction; if I’m misconstrued
Oh, won’t you remember I’m just a poor Yank,
and that’s why I talk... so rude!

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GLOSSARY
UK/Yorkshire word – US word
------------------------------------
jelly – Jello
jam – jelly
preserves – jam
boot – (car) trunk
wellie (short for Wellington) – boot
sultana – raisin (sort of: raisins and a sultanas are produced from the same grape but a raisin is dried naturally, and a sultana is dipped in veg oil and acid and then dried.)
summat – something (I think it's a corruption of somewhat)
jumper – sweater
Bob's your uncle – you're all set/in good shape
Auntie Beeb – the BBC
landlord – pub owner
suspenders – garter
braces – suspenders
rubber – condom
queue – line
line – telephone line
engaged – busy
stop – stay
while – until
knob – dick
biscuit – cookie
tart – loose woman
nice bit of crumpet – very attractive woman (usually young)
cracker – very attractive woman
flannel – washcloth
fleece – warm jacket (often woolen)
chips – french fries
crisps – potato chips
football – soccer
ladder – run (as in stocking)
steps – ladder
baps – bread rolls
holding up two fingers is like flipping the bird to someone – rudest possible gesture (but it's ok if you do it like a peace sign).
meduck/ducks – dearie
muffler – scarf
silencer – muffler
luv – darlin'
pet – dear
shag – have sex with
pulled – successfully picked up/scored
knickers – undies
pants – underpants
knackered – worn out
fanny – pussy (as in woman's "front bottom")
barking – mad
bog – bathroom (Brits think we're rather silly to call it a bathroom, especially if there's not even a bath in it)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jul 20 - 03:24 AM

I've sent out the email for Monday's singaround. If you didn't get one, contact me by email, joe@mudcat.org.

JennieG, the email I sent you got returned.

Hope to see you all Monday..

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jul 20 - 04:52 AM

Hi Joe, hope to be there tomorrow nght, but I have to go to a zoom committee meeting before hand - because AGMs have been postponed/cancelled, I haven't found a way of getting out of this one. I will probably arrive about 10:00pm my time.

Vikki, your multi-lingual lyrics reminds me of a version we collectively wrote in the Shanty Crew when we were kicking our heels in our hotel after we had fininshed our afternoon sets and waiting for the pub to open for the evening session at Lancaster Maritime Festrival. That one was a bit x-rated referring to 'Sheep in galoshes and nuns in black leather' and the instrumental bridge between the verses 'Nudge nudge nudge, wink wink wink' - referring to Monty Python.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Jul 20 - 08:12 AM

If somebody could sing Power and Glory that'd be great. I can't, my throat closes. Emotional.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jul 20 - 03:10 AM

I hope everybody who wanted email notification of Monday's singaround, got it. If you didn't get an email from me and wanted one, please email me, joe@mudcat.org - but you probably won't get one tomorrow, because I won't have time to deal with email. I teach a class on Monday that ends at the exact time I open the doors for the singaround.

I'll post the link a couple of hours before the singaround, but I don't want to post it too early because of the nuisance of Zoom bombing. See y'all tomorrow,

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 Jul 20 - 09:10 AM

Any plans to make this permanant after lockdowns have finished?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Jul 20 - 06:57 PM

Leeneia: the phone numbers are auto-generated by the Zoom website when they produce the invitation, so the host only has to copy the invite! (Not to belittle anything that Joe has done in setting up these sessions as they are great!)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jul 20 - 07:55 PM

I am all for not stopping these!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jul 20 - 08:10 PM

Yeah, we used to do this in the 1990s with primitive technology. Now it's so easy. I think we need to keep this going forever.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 12 Jul 20 - 11:09 PM

Thanks to Mrrzy and Tattie Bogle for the kind words.

SPB-Cooperator, your song sounds like fun!

It's really been fabulous getting to see and hear the people behind the online names, and hear some gorgeous singing and wonderful songs.
Echoing the thanks to Joe, Noreen and Casey for doing the nuts and bolts that make this possible!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 03:19 AM

This thread is getting pretty long, but I think I'd like to preserve it as the go-to place for the singaround.
Feel free to post whatever you like here (especially lyrics to songs you have sung or will sing), but I'll probably move most messages over two weeks old to our overflow thread (click).

I'm having the best time at this Monday singaround. My big black dog Madeleine loves it, too, and she often comes into my office to listen while we're singing.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround Mondays on Zoom
From: Noreen
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 06:06 AM

I’m thoroughly enjoying it too Joe, Seeing and hearing friends old and new from all over the world is just amazing!
And being Mudcat, it’s not just “thanks for your song and on to the next “, there’s room for discussion about the song and its history, which is what I love.

And last week Max popped in to see what was going on... I hope you’ll be able to stay long enough to give us a song next time Max :)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - NOW!!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 03:09 PM

Sing for me too! Hear you all next week...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - NOW!!!
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 13 Jul 20 - 08:22 PM

Joe,

RThanks for another great evening. I was surprised that you had a copy of Killie's book. I got my copy on preorder so I got my autographyed copy more or less on the day it was published.

I've known Michael Kilgariff for years, from his time as Chairman at the Player's Theatre, and he took rehearsal one night for the music hall company I used to belong to.

To say that he is above average height is an understatement. 6'5".

He has had numerous TV appearances - perhaps most famousd as the Cyber Controller in Doctor Who (Patrick Troughton and Coloin Baker eras).


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 06:04 AM

Joe said
> Feel free to post whatever you like here (especially lyrics to songs you have sung or will sing)

Here's the one that I sang last night, North Sea Oil

Down by the North Sea shore, a while before now,
While seeking me fortune and rambling around,
I met a little mermaid, very pretty as I recall
And I asked this fond creature where I might find oil.

"Well I know a little oil well not very far from here
And I've been watching over it with the tenderest care
And no-one's been near there since I was a child
And I think you'd find profit to drill there a while."

So I set up my rig and I made a fine stand,
And this sweet little creature gave me a helping hand,
Saying "Daddy, oh Daddy, it makes my blood boil
When you set up your rig to go boring for oil."

Well I kissed this little creature ten thousand times o'er
As we toiled there together all on the sea shore,
With a pillow under her fish-tail, for fear it should soil.
I spat on me auger and went boring for oil.

Well I hadn't been drilling three minutes or four.
At a few inches depth, boys, the gusher did pour.
And she wriggled and giggled, and she said with a smile
"Oh bear down on that auger, for I think you've struck oil."

But it was just a few days after, a thought came in me head,
For the end of that auger was rusty and red.
And I took it to the doctor, and he said with a smile
"I think you struck shale when boring for oil."

I got it from my own recording of Bert at Dingle's Folk Club in London on 4th April 1973.

I have deliberately not checked the above words against the recording, so feel free to spot any folk-processing that I may have done over the years.

In his introduction he refers to earlier versions, so maybe I was wrong in saying that this is one that was entirely his own work rather than his improved version of an existing song, but I suspect that in this form it is mostly his work.

Then again, maybe someone would like to go looking for the earlier versions.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 08:26 PM

Here's the link I mentioned last night:

FOLK SONG AND MUSIC HALL
The intersection of folk and music hall, the songs and social history
http://folksongandmusichall.com/

It's the creation of John Baxter:

"This site features a collection of Songs sung in the Music Halls, the stories of those songs and the people who sang them, and how these songs relate to traditional music of the British Isles. I hope it will encourage people to sing the songs, so where possible I include videos and links to sheet music .

"It also has my blog about the social history of Music Hall. I hope to comment on various ways in which it relates to the social history of folksong. I am mostly bringing together information found by others – though I occasionally delve in Victorian newspapers..."

Really been enjoying these sessions; great songs, great singing! Thanks again to Joe, Noreen and Casey.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 14 Jul 20 - 08:44 PM

Oops, forgot to turn the link into a blue clicky...

FOLK SONG AND MUSIC HALL: The intersection of folk and music hall...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jul 20 - 05:17 AM

Thanks Vikki!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Mysha
Date: 15 Jul 20 - 09:01 AM

Folk Song And Music Hall


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Monique
Date: 16 Jul 20 - 02:54 AM

Isn't that a great idea?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Bearheart
Date: 18 Jul 20 - 05:39 PM

So I am just seeing this. not on Mudcat as much as I used to be.

Did the Thursday session idea go nowhere? A much better time for me. As it happens, my friend Debra Chesman here in the Finger Lakes/Central New York had a similar idea and we are doing a trans-Atlantic song circle at exactly the same time.

Plus I have another Zoom meeting following that one.

But I would love to hear the voices of people whose posts I've been reading, all these years.

Bekki


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom - Mondays
From: Bearheart
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 10:16 PM

Thanks, Joe. I got the invite. I need to figure out whether to join Monday or not... The other group is pretty small and intimate still -- only about 15 people most times, and I'm just getting to know folks and be comfortable with them. I'm pretty shy by nature, and it takes an effort to sing in front of strangers. But you may see me one of these days.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 12:49 PM

Looks like I can make it about one week in three, which means not this week I'm afraid.

Have fun everyone!

Robin


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 08:22 PM

Here are the lyrics I used for Do Youi Think That I Do Not Know.

Do you think that I do not know
Henry Lawson

They say that I never have written of love, as a writer of songs should do
They say that I never could touch the strings with a touch that is firm and true
They say I know nothing of women and men in the fields where Love's roses grow
I must write, they say, with a halting pen do you think that I do not know?

My love-burst came, like an English Spring, in days when our hair was brown
And the hem of her skirt was a sacred thing and her hair was an angel's crown
The shock when another man touched her arm, where the dancers sat in a row
The hope, the despair, and the false alarm do you think that I do not know

By the arbour lights on the western farms, you remember the question put
While you held her warm in your quivering arms and you trembled from head to foot
The electric shock from her finger-tips, and the murmuring answer low
The soft, shy yielding of warm red lips do you think that I do not know

She was buried at Brighton, where Gordon sleeps, when I was a world away
And the sad old garden its secret keeps, for nobody knows to-day
She left a message for me to read, where the wild wide oceans flow
Do you know how the heart of a man can bleed do you think that I do not know

I stood by the grave where the dead girl lies, when the sunlit scenes were fair
Neath white clouds high in the autumn skies, and I answered the message there
But the haunting words of the dead to me shall go wherever I go
She lives in the Marriage that Might Have Been do you think that I do not know

I used a tune by Chris Kempster. Another well-known musical setting is by Slim Dusty. Best recording, for my money, was by Declan Affley.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 08:30 PM

Here are the lyrics I sang for Tumba-bloody-rumba.

TUMBA-BLOODY-RUMBA

He looked for work at muster-time, we tried him as a rider,
We tried him as the rouseabout and as the cook’s off-sider.
He said he'd sailed the seven seas, he’d been up in Alaska,
He’d been in every western state from Texas to Nebraska.

Chorus (repeat after each stanza):
He said he’d shorn a sheep or two and cut a bit of lumber,
And waged war on the kangaroos at Tumba-bloody-rumba.

We tried him as a shearer, we tried him as a stacker,
We tried him digging rabbits out. He wasn’t worth a cracker.
He had a shop in Singapore, he owned a pearling lugger,
He was a champ at baccarat, Australian Rules and rugger.

He never showed his aptitude at jobs he was allotted,
But showed his skill upon the booze, and cigarettes he blotted.
He said he’d climbed the Matterhorn, he’d been a union leader,
And years ago in Adelaide he was a pigeon breeder.

We tried him digging fencing posts, we tried to find his caper,
Until that happy pay-day when he got his piece of paper.
I wonder what he's up to now, perhaps back on the lumber,
Or shooting kanga-bloody-roos at Tumba-bloody-rumba.

Authorship in dispute, set to music by Warren Fahey. If you want the tune, there's a recording by Warren on Youtube.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Jul 20 - 08:31 PM

Y'all still there?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Monique
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 01:23 AM

I posted the song I sang yesterday on the French folk songs thread with translation and notes.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 05:18 AM

Is Lawson alluding to Adam Lindsay Gordon's romance with Jane Bridges throughout the poem?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 05:26 AM

SOng/Parody lesson 101 - If you are going to perform what you have written, make sure that the tune is within your vocal range (as I learned out last night!!!!).


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 05:31 AM

SPB, the reference to Gordon in the 4th stanza is, indeed, to the poet Adam Lindsay Gordon, but the interpretation I've heard is that the poem has more to do with Lawson's relationship with Hannah Thorburn. She died just six weeks before Lawson & his wife, Bertha, arrived back in Australia from two years in England.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 07:49 AM

Gerry and all who are just discovering Mudcat: You need to join (write to Joe@Mudcat.org). Guests are welcome to search and use the site, but membership does offer a few extra perks. And by all means, poke around and find the lyrics we already have here. It'll save you a little time reposting them. For example, Gerry, Lawson's poem Do You Think I Do Not Know is an example already in the DT. You are liable to find lyrics there you want to start using!

Good to see all of the new names and faces yesterday.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 07:59 AM

Gerry, I also found the thread discussing Tumba-bloody-rumba and posted a link back to your post here, but putting the lyrics there would be helpful.

For newcomers to Mudcat, we have the "Lyrics & Knowledge Search" for keywords and song titles. Use as few words as you think will bring up results and if it doesn't work the first time Max added a supersearch that hoovers up stuff all over Mudcat and the Internet.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 08:36 AM

SRS, I've been posting to Mudcat for at least 15 years now, as a guest. I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member. I know the Lawson poem is in the DT, but there are mistakes. The other day, I posted a list of the bigger mistakes to the DT corrections thread.

Mudcat is always the first place I go to find lyrics, but then I check them against recordings and other sources if I can.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Today!!!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 09:46 AM

Keep letting Joe know what the corrections should be and thanks!

There is never going to be one place with all of the lyrics, it is a process, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Monday!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jul 20 - 01:45 PM

If there are songs posted here, they will eventually be moved to a thread for that particular song. So, free to post lyrics here, and I'll move them in good time.
We don't currently have a way of correcting the Digital Tradition Folk Song Database (DT), and maybe it's a good idea to leave it as Dick Greenhaus left it when he died.
I am gradually trying to ensure that there is a thread to cover every song or family of songs in the DT. The best place to look for correct lyrics is in the threads, not in the DT. If the lyrics in a thread have proper title, songwriter, and source information, you can be reasonably sure they're correct. If the title is allcaps and bold and large, that means it has been reviewed for correctness.

-Joe-

I will use this thread as the permanent notification thread for the singaround. As messages get out of date, I'll move them to the overflow thread or to song threads.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Monday!!!
From: Bearheart
Date: 22 Jul 20 - 06:00 PM

Still hoping someone else who feels motivated will figure out a Thursday Mudcat sing... I already host 2 other Zoom sessions on Monday and Wednesday nights and I am getting ready to start hosting a monthly ballad session for the local group that had been meeting in my living room prior to COVID. So I'm a bit maxxed out on putting something together.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround on Zoom-Monday!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 07:52 PM

Email coming soon, but I've seen no volunteers to host Thursday.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround-NOW!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 02:14 PM

Doors are open. Come in early for cocktails and conversation.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - Doors open NOW!!!!
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 03:12 PM

And... they’re off!
29 of us in so far. Come and join in :)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - Doors open NOW!!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 06:08 PM

Sung by Chris Lamb today.


Zoom Song
By Ruairidh Greig

Chorus
   Off we go it’s time for a Zoom,
   A poem, a song or even a tune.
   Off we go, it’s time for a Zoom,
   Meeting together but not in one room.

Coronavirus has split us asunder
But thanks to this program, it’s really a wonder
We can all get together, though many miles apart
And share our performances straight from the heart.

Make sure you’ve selected “Original Sound”
It’s quite beneficial, most people have found
And try to sit with some light on your face
Your grins and your grimaces might go to waste.

Always remember be nice to your host
If you forget, you will suffer the most
And if you don’t mute when you know that you should
You may well find you’ve been muted for good.

Please don’t make your intro too long,
It shouldn’t go on and on and on.
There’s plenty of others still waiting to sing
So don’t be a Zoom Hog, it isn’t the thing.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - Doors open NOW!!!!
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 27 Jul 20 - 08:34 PM

If all goes well, www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=62636#1013709 will link to

Lyr Add: WEE POT STOVE (Harry Robertson)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 05 Sep 03 - 10:52 PM

where Bob posted the lyrics to Wee Pot Stove as Robertson wrote and recorded them, and as I attempted to sing them at the singaround. They differ in a few places from the lyrics in the DT which, I think, follow Nic Jones' recording on Penguin Eggs.

Sorry I couldn't get the blue clicky to make a working link to a post on this site.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Jul 20 - 05:45 AM

Some feedback from the most recent sing on Monday 27th July.

I made a note of 55 names who joined in, not all singing/performing as audience are welcome too.

People started arriving at 7.30pm UK time for a chat and sound checks as necessary. Singing started at 8pm (or so) and carried on until well after midnight when I had to go get some sleep. People are numbered on arrival and get an opportunity to sing in order, though we can be flexible for those who have to leave early etc. Joe tries to allow everyone to have two songs throughout the night, and latecomers will always have a chance to sing at least once.

It is amazing to see so many Mudcatters from around the world in all their different time zones, weather conditions and surroundings. I'm loving it!

It's never going to be ideal timing for everyone worldwide. The sing does however continue for over 4 hours- 8pm to well after midnight UK time- so there is a chance for those from many time zones to take part.
We have had regular participants from Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, New Zealand, UK and USA which is quite an achievement! And a Pole in Scotland :)
(OK, who have I forgotten this time?!)

So, feel free to pop in next Monday (or Tuesday morning in the antipodes), you will be very welcome!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 28 Jul 20 - 11:52 AM

After last week's singaround I forgot to post the words of the song that I had sung, and I've now remembered. I had folk-processed it a little, but here it is as sung by Adam McNaughtan, whose song it is.

Old Annie Brown

Oh Glasgow is ruthless: our town can be cruel tae its own
And Glasgow's indifference left an old woman alone.
Six months she lay dead, before her body was found.
Fa' the Calton she came
And her name
It was Old Annie Brown.

She had stayed in the East End o' Glasgow for all of her days.
Looked after her folks when her brothers were wed and away.
And Annie was fifty when she saw her mother laid down.
There was never the chance o' a man
For Old Annie Brown

So she thought she would stay in the Calton that she knew sae well.
But the city was changing, faster than Annie could tell.
And the people who could moved out as the district came down.
There were few neighbours there
To care
About Old Annie Brown

Now she bought all her food in a big London Road superstore.
And the manager said "We get old folk in here by the score.
So how should I notice if one of them isn't around?
But record my regret
For the death
Of Old Annie Brown".

Dae you know the old woman that stays five or six doors away.
What would you do if you didn't see her today?
If you missed her all week would you, maybe, take a look round?
Don't wait till you miss her
Her name might be Old Annie Brown.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Rex
Date: 28 Jul 20 - 12:49 PM

Many thanks to Joe and the other hosts who set this up. Good to do something with my fellow 'Catters again. I sang the following popularly known as the Gol Darned Wheel. I present it here as written by James Barton Adams, The Cowboy and the Wheel in 1897. My version was truncated in deference to many more performers with songs to sing.

The Cowboy and the Wheel - James Barton Adams
From The Denver Evening Post: Thursday, April 29, 1897.

I kin take the toughest broncho in the wild an' wooly West,
An' kin back him an' kin ride him, let him do his level best;
I kin handle any critter ever wore a coat o' hair,
An' I've had a lively tussle with a 'tarnal grizzly bear.
I kin rope an' throw a long-horn o' the wildest Texas brand,
An' in Injun disagreements I kin play a leadin' hand;
But at last I met my master, an' I shorely had to squeal,
When the boys got me a-straddle of a Gol darned wheel.

It was at the Eagle Rancho on the Brazos whar' I fust
Run across the durn contrivance 'at upset me in the dust-
Natrally up an' throwed me, stood me on my cussed head,
"Trumped my ace in lightin' order," so old Ike, the foreman, said.
'Twas a tenderfoot 'at brought it; he was wheelin' all the way
From the sunrise end o' freedom out to San Francisco Bay.
An' he tied up at the rancho fur to git outside a meal,
Never thinkin' we would monkey with his Gol darned wheel.

Arizony Jim begun it, when he said to Jack McGill
There was fellers fo'ced the limit braggin' o' their ridin' skill,
An' he reckoned there's a puncher not a million miles away
As imagined as a rider he was tolerable gay.
Then he ventured the admission that same fellow as he meant
Was a purty handy critter, fur as ridin' bronchos went,
But he'd find he was a buckin' 'ginst a dif'rent sort o' deal
Ef he'd throw his leather leggin's 'crost that Gol darned wheel.

Sich a slur upon my talent made me hotter 'n a mink,
An' I told him I could back it fur amusement or fur chink;
That 'twas nothin' but a plaything fur the kids an' that he mout
Have his idees sort o' shattered if he'd trot the critter out.
Then they helt it till I mounted, an' I give the word to go,
An' the shove they give to start me wa'n't unreasonably slow.
But I never split a cuss-word, never made a bit o' squeal-
I was buildin' repatation on that Gol darned wheel.

The grade was mighty slopin' from the rancho to the creek,
An' we went a galleyflutin', like a crazy lightnin streak,
Went a whizzin' an' a dartin', fust to this side, then to that,
The contrivance sort o' wobblin' like the flyin' of a bat.
I kep' pullin' on the handles, but I couldn't check it up,
Yanked an' sawed an' jerked an' hollered, but the durn thing wouldn't stop.
An' a sort o' sneakin' idee through my brain begun to steal
That the devil helt a mortgage on that Gol darned wheel.

Holy Moses and the prophets, how we split the Texas air!
The breezes made whip crackers o' my somewhat lengthy hair.
An' I sort o' comprehended as, adown the hill we went,
There was bound to be a smash-up 'at I couldn't circumvent.
Them cow-punchers kep' a-yellin', "Stay right with her, Uncle Bill!"
"Hit 'er with the spurs, you sucker!" "Turn her muzzle up the hill!"
But I never made an answer; I jest let the cusses squeal-
My attention was all focussed on that Gol darned wheel.

I've a sort o' dim and hazy recollection o' the stop-
O' the airth a spinnin' round me, an' the stars all tangled up,
Then there come a intermission, which extended till I found
I was lyin' at the rancho, with the boys all gethered 'round.
An' a medico was sewin' on my skin whar' it was ripped,
An' ol' Arizony whispered, "Wal, ol' boy, I guess yer whipped,"
An' I told him I war' busted from sombrero cl'ar to heel-
Then he grinned an' said, "You'd orter 'see the Gol darned wheel."


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Rob Mad Jock Wright
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 11:13 AM

in a good attempt to keep musicians active their Sunday Social going and of course a bit of focus on the Twa Tams Bar in Perth Scotland, the owners Mad Ferret invite regulars to zap in a tune or two. They then select and stream on Sundays. It is a bit of fun and the quality of the music like that played at the Twa Tams is usually high.

So if you want a listen catch it live Sundays around 5.00pm or 6 pm if things go awry.

Or you can get it on Youtube somewhere by searching.

They sometimes have a 'raffle' the first to message once they start gets a prize.
One week it was a toilet roll!

The next it was a toilet seat (new of course)!

So you can tell that it is a bit of fun.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Rob Mad Jock Wright
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 11:14 AM

Oh that is UK time by the way.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 20 - 09:00 PM

Another lovely gathering. Thank you all for coming.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 04 Aug 20 - 03:51 AM

Joe, the lyrics you posted in chat for The Swaggies Have All Waltzed Matilda Away are fine, with just two corrections. In the last verse, "Coolies" should be "Koori". Koori is the name the Aboriginal people of New South Wales use to describe themselves. And the fellow who wrote the song was Alistair Hulett, with a double t at the end. Thanks again for putting the show on.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 Aug 20 - 11:29 AM

found it in an email I don;t use that much any more


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 20 - 02:21 PM

Where the hell is the link?
elizabethblock@netzero.net


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Noreen
Date: 10 Aug 20 - 02:33 PM

Looks like Joe's busy. Hang on. I'll post it.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Aug 20 - 10:05 PM

Thank you all for coming. It was another lovely session.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 11 Aug 20 - 02:42 AM

.......and thank you Joe for hosting us. I’m sure it raises all our spirits!
All the best, Pate. (Private joke!!!)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: leeneia
Date: 11 Aug 20 - 01:21 PM

Once again, thank you to Joe and Noreen for the time and effort you give to make the Singaround possible. Four to five hours - that's a significant favor to the world.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 11 Aug 20 - 02:28 PM

Massive thanks to Joe and Noreen once again. A cracking night.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 11:31 PM

I emailed out the invitation just now. If you didn't get one, that means I don't have you on the email list. If you'd like to be on the list, email me, joe@mudcat.org

See you Monday!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 16 Aug 20 - 08:53 AM

I'm sorry I've missed the last two. Two Mondays ago I had got stuck into something or other (even if I now forget what it was) and didn't feel like stopping. Last time, shortly before the singaround was due to start I went to close my back door. It had been sticking for a while and now it would not close at all. Fiddling with the hinges to persuade it to close before I went to bed took priority over anything else that evening.

Not sure whether I'll make it tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Aug 20 - 04:23 PM

We miss you when you're not there, Richard. You sing interesting songs.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: Noreen
Date: 17 Aug 20 - 02:41 PM

Come on in, I'm taking orders for cocktails...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Aug 20 - 04:13 PM

I'll have a Harvey Wallbanger please.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Aug 20 - 08:50 PM

Thanks for coming, everyone. It was lovely.

-Joe and Noreen and Casey-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 18 Aug 20 - 02:20 AM

Another great night! Cheers one up no end. Thanks everyone.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 18 Aug 20 - 03:48 AM

Great evening and mighty songs thank you!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 18 Aug 20 - 08:18 AM

In yesterday's singaround I sang a song that I call "The Young Promised Land", which I learnt from my recording of one of series of radio programmes narrated by Bert Lloyd under the title "Folk Songs of Australia". I have never met it anywhere else, but Google has just found me an index where the first line "I once was a station-hand, two quid a week" appears on page 943, with the title The Buckjumper.

I think the tune has been used for several songs. It's perhaps best known as The Green Bushes.

I've just listened to the recording and have a few small corrections that I may or may not make to how I've been singing it.

I once was a station hand; two quid a week
In the years that's gone by on the old Bogan Creek.
I was asked by a squatter, and he says "Try your hand
And break in that filly: she's a young promised land".
He said "She's a wild 'un of four years or so."
But he knew that of outlaws I'd ridden a few.

Three days she was handled. I saddled and rode her.
To grass me she tried but a failure I showed her.
The antics she cut was a caution to me.
I was bobbing about like a cork on the sea.
She pitched and the rooted, she spun (arse?) about
But in ten minutes' time, boys, she rolled her tongue out.

It was pitch, root and buck like a bird on the wing.
It was that sort of bucking that grassed poor Jack King.
She hit the fence twice but gave never a stagger
And she rooted as mad as if stabbed by a dagger.
Then off came the saddle, for the girth strap was weak.
And she left a hoof mark on the old saddle seat.

Well she stood and she snorted: she seemed in her glee.
The saddle was down and the filly was free.
She ran round the stockyard, just three times or four
Seeming to glory in the fray that was o'er.
She came mincing up to me: I put out me hand
And that was the last of the young promised land

I caught the short rein that hung from her jaw
And I jumped on her bare back: there was fireworks galore,
Till her muscles they twitched to her heart's broken sound.
She fell dead in her tracks, boys, and lay on the ground.
Her jaw was all broke where her sharp hooves had struck.
"Thank God." says the foreman, "That's a bit of good luck."


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GerryM
Date: 19 Aug 20 - 03:46 AM

Richard, The Buckjumper is in Ron Edwards, Great Australian Folk Songs. Edwards writes,

The Buckjumper is an unpublished song from the collection of English folklorist A. L. Lloyd. He sent this to me in 1972, and I gather that he collected it when he was in Australia in the late 1920s. Oddly enough I have on tape an account of an almost identical incident recounted to me by an ex-horsebreaker.
It goes to the tune "Villikins and his Dinah."

Richard's lyrics are almost identical to the lyrics in Edwards. The only significant differences are

2nd stanza, 1st line, Edwards has: Three days she was handled, then I saddled and rode her.

4th stanza, 5th line, Edwards has: She minced up to me

"arse-about" is correct

Promised Land is capitalized in Edwards; I wonder whether that was the name of some well-known racehorse.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Aug 20 - 01:50 PM

Singaround emails have been sent out. I post the URL for the Singaround here about 2 hours before we start, but don't want to post it publicly earlier. If I forget, maybe Noreen will remember and post it here.
If you'd like to be on the email list, email me at joe@mudcat.org

Hope to sing with you tomorrow!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 23 Aug 20 - 05:20 PM

Just dropped in on a whim, after spending a fair amount of time on Chiff and Fipple and latterly wasting vast amounts of time on Twitter over the last few years.

Delighted to see there are some familiar names still showing up, and totally unsurprised to see Joe still doing that public-service thing.
And almost nostalgic to see that my old work email address popped up when I logged in again, given that I retired in 2011.

I originally ventured into the Café on a work-related mission, believe it or not: a senior official in my workplace wanted to quote some verses of "The maid of Aughrim" in a speech, and I was blown away by how, within 24 hours, Catters in different parts of the world came up with more information than I could possibly use. So a worldwide singaround sounds particularly appropriate.

I drifted away from the Mudcat for a variety of reasons, one of which I won't go into, but also because, as a non-singer, I always felt like a bit of a chancer with little to contribute, and C&F became a better fit. I might listen in to one of the next Zoomarounds.

BTW, does a surgical circumcision count, Joe? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Aug 20 - 11:24 PM

What other kind of circumcision is there?

No but seriously, any genre requests? I can't think of what I want to sing...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 12:28 AM

You're welcome to come in and listen and say hello, APC. Link will be in this thread 2 hours before, or you can email me if you want to be on the weekly notification list.
Yeah, I guess I'm still doing the "public service thing." I hope it helps.
joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 11:35 AM

Joe, it totally totally helps! Thanks! Stay out of the fires!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Noreen
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 05:26 PM

Still going strong, come join us!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 09:50 PM

Another wonderful gathering. Thank you all for coming. See you next Monday.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: leeneia
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 12:40 AM

I enjoy the singarounds. I don't get nervous; it's as relaxing as singing for little kids. Today I fluffed a line and it didn't bother me a bit.

I enjoy the variety of songs, and I like it that Joe posts the words whenever he can. Thanks, Joe.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 12:43 AM

It was a nice assortment of songs today!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Monique
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 02:50 AM

I enjoy it a lot. Like Leeneia I enjoy the variety of songs and the lyrics in the chat.
I regret I can't stay longer and sing another song as I'm not supposed to make noise after 10pm (1pm Pacific time) but it'd be far too late anyway.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 03:13 AM

Another lovely session! Thanks folks and special thanks to Joe for your hard work behind the scenes.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 04:04 AM

This regular sing is encouraging me to refresh songs from way back, sometimes because of mentions here on Mudcat, sometimes after my memory has been jogged by other songs sung or discussions between songs.
As leeneia says above, it is a safe place to perform with a VERY interested and supportive audience, all in our own rooms around the world.

I still find it amazing that I take part in an event with other performers from so many other countries in so many time zones. (I’ll post a list of all the countries I am aware of, when I’ve checked to make sure I’ve left no country out!)

So if you’re thinking of joining us, please do! Just come and listen if you like, or take part :)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 04:23 AM

So sorry to have missed this week but had some work committments and a deadline that took priority. Hope to be there next week.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 04:24 AM

ooops that was me in last post - didn't realise I'd been logged out!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 05:17 AM

In the chat before yesterday's session, Paul Clarke posted this:
" I'm planting this little 'bomb' to see if it creates any buzz among you: Mudcat Zoom session, with a theme of songs/tunes within songs. Songs that reference other music would be sung, and broken off at the appropriate point for [I'd moot] another performer to render the mentioned tune, or in the case of a song, to segue one after the other. I think I've listed, or been triggered to note but forgotten to[!], about 15 of these, but with all the Cat brains jointly at work on the idea, I'm sure many more would crop up. Perhaps needs a couple of weeks' notice, esp. to tout for the musical partner, but worth considering?
When I get back, I may ask the question again, with some examples. Meantime, what does Joe O and others think of it."

That could indeed be fun, but it will certainly need considerable advance planning to identify the relevant songs and tunes and the personnel to perform them.

Paul, if you see this, please post your list to save us racking our brains for examples that you've already thought of.

The only one that I can think of immediately is Byker Hill and Walker Shore referring to "the tune of Elsie Marley".


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Mysha
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 06:30 AM

Are we supposed to remember all the tunes in The Devil went down to Georgia, or The Galway shawl, or the Monkeys wedding?

Mysha


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Mysha
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 06:37 AM

Monique, maybe you can do something less loudly? Recite a poem, tell a story if the host allows. You're not limited to the chat like I am, so there must be ways to perform even if you're not supposed to make noise. (Well, listening to others would obviously fall in the no-=noise category as well.)

Bye
Mysha


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: rosma
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 06:43 AM

Richard, Galway Shawl ('I played "The Blackbird" and "The Stack of Barley", "Rodney's Glory" and "The Foggy Dew"') gives some serious scope.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Mysha
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 07:15 AM

I guess this is more something for a Songs in Song thread. Is there such a thing?

'The band played "Waltzing Matilda"' would also fall in that category.


Bye
Mysha


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 07:29 AM

It's a fun idea, Paul, and might yield some interesting examples, but I agree with Mysha, more suitable for a discussion thread than an actual performance, which would be unwieldy to say the least, even if the sequential and overlap issues of zoom could be overcome. It's indicative tho', that almost all of the examples that spring readily to mind involve traditional tunes - and several of them are already done as "song-tune combis" in performance. Midnight on the Water, steady and slow...
With "songs within songs" tho', a full combi rendition would be less satisfying simply because of the desired effect of the placing within the original creation, IMHO. Take the above-mentioned Waltzing Matilda, which has its own designated placing and Purpose.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe_F
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 05:38 PM

I think I started a songs-mentioning-songs thread a while ago, but I can't find it.

One had better be careful to exclude songs (such as "Turkey in the Straw") that mention themselves, which could lead to an infinity of self-interruptions.

Anyway: The Whiffenpoof Song mentions "Shall I Wasting" and "Mavourneen" and the rest.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 05:53 PM

Thank you, Joe and Noreen. I'll listen in one of these Mondays coming up.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 07:15 AM

There is "The broadside man" as another example of songs named (or at least described) within a song.

I always thought that it could be expanded as an album.

On the same theme, I have my "Harbour Wall" song on YouTube now with some of my fathers photos. I did think that because each verse covers a different aspect and time in the history of the harbour, it would be an idea to use each verse as an intro to other songs covering the same idea.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 12:55 PM

I kissed her while the guitars played the Bonaparte's retreat...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 10:31 PM

Reilly is warbling I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen, which is inspiring me to think of what to sing on Monday...
One More Time!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GerryM
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 05:35 AM

I'm hoping to sing Used To Be A River, written by Sydneysider Craig Edmondson. I haven't found lyrics nor video anywhere on the web, so I'll post them here. The song, as Craig sings it, is not suitable for unaccompanied singing, so I've rearranged it as a call-and-response song, with the responses in parentheses.

Used to Be a River
Craig Edmondson

1. This used to be a river (used to be a river)
But now it is a sewer (now it is a sewer)
But it used to be a river,
And I wonder where the river got to go.

Chorus:
These changes, I have seen, I have seen
To the people and the places
Dear to me, dear to me.

2. This used to be a mountain (used to be a mountain)
But now it is a golf course (now it is a golf course)
But it used to be a mountain,
And I wonder where the mountain got to go.

Chorus

3. This used to be a forest (used to be a forest)
But now it is a Kmart (now it is a Kmart)
But it used to be a forest,
And I wonder where the forest got to go.

Chorus

4. You used to be my baby (used to be my baby)
But now you are a stranger (now you are a stranger)
But You used to be my baby,
And I wonder where my baby got to go.

Chorus (once or twice, as the spirit moves you)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: pattyClink
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 10:55 PM

Thanks for the very kind welcome and encouragement on my first zoom try at the singaround today. Sorry I am dim about seeing chat messages but my machine shows the text at about 1-point size, and if I boost it to 2-point by going full screen I can hear my hard drive overheating.

Anyway, there was an old thread about the Willow Tree song, so I posted lyrics with chords over on that in case anybody wants to have a go at it.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: leeneia
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 11:31 AM

Well, Patty, if you can't see the chat, then you missed the many compliments you received for a fine song and a sweet voice. One compliment was mine. Thanks for singing.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: pattyClink
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 01:34 PM

Thanks, leeneia! I did squint in and see some kind remarks, and tried to send a few remarks of my own. But, I did not realize when I was being 'paged' by Joe and could not 'keep an eye' on the text feed. I will have to study up and see what I can adjust.

I was blown away by all the wonderful songs and singers I heard. Including your 'Dog Days', I hope you have posted it on the 'cat or will soon!

I had hoped to go to several festivals and run some song sessions this year, and those plans got blown to bits. So this is such a wonderful thing to see and hear.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:58 PM

Have missed too many! Been going through a bad patch with my hearing lately, (Meniere's Diease) but after that last injection, might be up for next week. Enjoyed those I have attended so far.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Sep 20 - 11:01 PM

I emailed the invitations for Monday's singaround. If you didn't get an invitation and would like to attend, contact me by email, or watch this space on Monday for the link - for security reasons, I don't post the link publicly until just before the singaround.

Hope to see you there.

Joe Offer
joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 08:23 AM

I might be much later than usual.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 06:04 PM

I might not make it at all this week [sad frowny face] but have fun y'all!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 08:52 PM

We missed you, Mrr. It was a good session.
Come back next week.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 09:27 AM

I was about to ask what'd I miss?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 10:29 AM

Some Zoom sessions are recorded and made available subsequently through YouTube or otherwise. Is this a possibility for the Mudcat Singaround? A few singers might want the recording paused for their bits, but I think most of us would be OK about being recorded, and it would give everyone the chance to catch up on whatever we've missed -- if we can find the time, of course.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Felipa
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 12:59 PM

I had already thought about how some Zoom events are also on youtube, and I concluded that it was a good thing that the Mudcat singaround isn't ... the quality - or should I say expertise - is very variable, which doesn't matter when we are a circle of friends but could be uncomfortable if we are exposed to anybody and everybody on line. Much as it would interest me to hear myself later, on the whole I prefer the privacy of an ephemeral session.

What I would like to have is a Mudcat thread run by the moderators, which would give a list each week of which songs were sung that Monday.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 11:39 PM

The chat has almost all the lyrics to all the songs that were sung. I could post them if there's an interest, but it's easy to save the chat yourself. I've asked about recording the session, but too many people were reluctant about that.
Anybody who attends can save the chat to their own computer.
-Joe-

I sent emails with Monday's URL out on Saturday. If you didn't get an invitation and would like to attend, email me.

joe@mudcat.org


(if you'd like copies of the chat from previous sessions, email me)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: GerryM
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 05:33 AM

If you don't join at the start, then you can only see and save the chat from the time you join (unless I'm missing some clever dodge). Joining at 7:30am Sydney time, I get to save roughly the second half of the chat.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 06:00 AM

I agree with Felipa about the variable quality/expertise/whatever you prefer to call it, but the same probably applies to most online singarounds, as indeed it does to in-person sessions when those are possible. If a session is to be recorded, anyone who wishes should be able to have the recording paused, whether because they feel that they're not very good or for any other reason (or no reason at all). That is how it works for Sharp's singarounds; but in practice I think few if any do request a pause.

But anyway Joe has sounded out participants for the Mudcat one so I won't pursue it beyond this post.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: leeneia
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 07:10 PM

It was another enjoyable session. Thanks to the organizers.

I had a doctor's appt beforehand, and while I was waiting, I sang my song to warm up my voice. One might as well make use of the time.

By the way, I had to visit the ER mid-week, and while the DH and I waited in our room, we heard people laughing in the hall several times. This is not the view of an ER that we get from the media. (I came out okay.)

I have a question: during the Singaround, does the volume I set on the sliding bar of my own computer affect the volume at which my song goes out, or does Zoom make sure my volume is good?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 04:00 AM

Your listening volume has no effect on what goes out, leeneia.
There are various settings you can adjust to make your sound the best it can be- if you join the session early next time (before we start singing) you can try adjusting settings and get feedback on what works best.

Another lovely session last night, thanks all!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: leeneia
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 12:22 PM

Thank you for the information, Noreen. Apparently my sound settings are acceptable.

Zoom seemed a little peculiar on Monday - people's pictures popped up and then disappeared, even though they were not singing at the time, and twice it tried to sign out of the session without my asking it to.
But I suppose Zoom's system is under a lot of pressure now.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Sep 20 - 03:14 AM

I just sent out the emails with this week's link. If you didn't get one and would like to attend, email me, joe@mudcat.org

Hope to sing with you soon.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Sep 20 - 02:52 PM

What was RBG's fave folk song?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 07:29 AM

RBG and Scalia were notorious opera fans. Don't know that she spent much time on folk. See the RBG movie. The part on opera was delightful.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 12:43 PM

I sang "Miner's Lifeguard" and "Life's Railway to Heaven," which both use the same melody in the US. I understand that "Miner's Lifeguard" is sung to a different melody in Great Britain. I'd sure like to hear that different melody.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 06:30 AM

Sorry I missed it Joe, I’d be interested in your tune to the miner’s lifeguard. Hope all went well in my absence!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 12:55 PM

Hi, Noreen - we missed you, but we muddled through. I think we had a total of 44 people yesterday.
Here's the seminal US recording of "Miner's Lifeguard," by Pete Seeger and the Almanac Singers:


Here's an English recording by Bob Fox and Benny Graham, which uses the same melody:

Here's a great choral performance by Brian Connick and Cor Meibion Onllwyn (Onllwyn Male Voice Choir):


Maybe I'm mistaken and maybe the US and UK use the same melody for this song.

-Joe-


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