BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?

Subject: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Helen
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 05:11 PM

The protests in the US over the wrongful and unnecessary death of George Floyd have also sparked protests around the world, including
in Australia

Will these protests in the US and around the world finally be
the tipping point for real positive change?

I'm hoping and praying that they are, not just in the US but here in Australia too.

The black people in the US and our indigenous First Nations people here deserve to be given all rights and privileges in society, in education, in health, in equality, and these protests are empowering those discussions here too.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 05:43 PM

I hope and pray they are too Helen. Equality and mutual respect, fair treatment and lack of prejudice/racism are all very important to me.
I was always appalled at the apartheid in S Africa, and a terrible conversation with a white South African couple (we cleaned the house of their daughter, and they came to UK on a visit) showed me just how deeply-rooted these attitudes are. They seemed to view my black husband as a sort of lowly-paid underling. This was in Norfolk, where we've met with very little racism, if any.
Of course, when any group of people is downtrodden and badly treated, they will harbour their anger and resentment, then it will all burst out in violence and vengeful acts.
So the perpetrators will reap what they've sown.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mossback
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:21 PM

Will these protests in the US and around the world finally be
the tipping point for real positive change?

Well, Helen, that's what we thought about the protests we participated in back in the 1960's...... and here we go 60 years later.

Deja vu all over again.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:30 PM

There are mission statements, policy, then there is the way things are done. I have personally seen the dozens of moving parts involved in allowing police to get away with murder. Start with the police car. I have found the 'throw down weapons' the police use when they kill an unarmed man, woman or child to establish provocation and self defense. It is ususlly a 6 inch knife. They do not always bother to put a victims fingerprint on it when it can be done later. Then there is the report - enough said. Then there is the police union and the DA...
The code of silence has a murder threat behind it. If you don't stay silent we will allow you to be killed or die if you ever need assistance. Lynching AND lynching by othermeans hasbeen part of the US for a 100 years. Hopes and prayers was what MLK was about. America is fed up with hopes and prayers and frankly don't want to hear them anymore. Only action, law and convictions are going to be heard

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:30 PM

There's alway an outcry after a shooting, and people agree "something must be done". Then things quiet down and everybody goes home, and it happens all over again.

But...

I think something's different this time. It's not only hurt black people marching, it's Americans (or British, or French, or the general population of whatever country). And the mayor of DC had it written, in huge yellow letters "Black Lives Matter", and changed the name of a street - just down the road from where the president lives.

I think the scales have tipped.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:35 PM

Don, I bet you meant to have some point to that.

Other things: the police marching with the protesters, and taking a knee, and the NFL acknowledging they were wrong to come down on people for kneeling during the anthem, the banning of choke holds, and getting rid of no-knock warrants. I really believe things are shifting, and I hope the momentum lasts for along time.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:43 PM

A Change is Gonna Come

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:46 PM

Such as local and global change is demanded Jeri?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:50 PM

Are you saying local and global change is NOT demanded?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 07:38 PM

I don't wish to sound simplistic, but you need to get rid of your president. And we have a similar issue this end. So nothing is going to change.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 07:58 PM

We thought we were positively changing things 40 years ago in the UK,
with the "Rock Against Racism" youth movement..

..and we did socially and culturally to some extent..

but not enough where it really mattered in old institutions of power and wealth...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Helen
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 08:12 PM

One thing that politicians do is make a big show of asking for an in depth analysis of a situation, with recommendations for actions to create positive changes and achieve outcomes, and then make a big announcement that the report is ready, and then pat themselves on the back and shelve the report without implementing any of the recommendations. What they achieve is a bit of self-promotion, a massive handout to the consultants researching and compiling the report, and no progress in the areas which triggered the research and report in the first place.

I'm hoping this time the passion, the strength and the global spread of the protests coming right in the middle of the global pandemic might be just the tipping point needed, especially in view of the statistical evidence of social and financial and health and other disadvantages which black people live with every day.

black and minority patients are more likely to die from COVID-19

black and ethnic poverty compared with white people

social inequalities

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 08:36 PM

Well we've had days of hope before. We thought we could change the system in the 70s. 22,000 of us at my friend Blair Peach's funeral thought we could turn things round as we threw red carnations in his grave and sang the Internationale. We lay down on the tarmac at Greenham (well, Mrs Steve did anyway, I just delivered logs for the fires...) and the other US air bases in the early 80s. We People Marched For Jobs. I got photographed by the police from the roof of a building and had my phone tapped for manning a CND stall in Loughton. We held hands in big circles, millions of us, to protest against invading Iraq. I've been in so many bloody marches and protests and been threatened by brainless cops. We picketed outside schools and fire stations in the freezing cold at six in the morning. We honked for the NHS outside hospitals in the East End in the 80s. We fought the losing battle for the miners against Thatcher. You think there's a tipping point, eh? Think again. We have Johnson, Trump and Bolsinaro and all the other populist lackeys. We have a dictator for life in the biggest country in the world and a fake democracy that shits on minorities in the second biggest. There's no tipping point. We just have to keep fighting, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 09:18 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2020/jun/07/no-australia-is-not-the-us-our-shocking-racial-injustice-is-all-our-own
No, Australia is not the US. Our shocking racial injustice is all our own -
African Americans make up 12% of the adult population, but 33% of the US prison population; in Australia the ratio for Indigenous people is 3% of the population and 29% of the prisoners ... Indigenous women account for 36% of all women behind bars.
If we could just replicate the ratio of African Americans in prison for Indigenous people, total prison numbers in Australia would fall by around 22%
When things would so greatly improve by only being as bad as the US, you know things are in a woeful state.
If the rate of Indigenous men in prison was the same as that of non-Indigenous men, rather than having 11,682 Indigenous men in prison there would be just 760 – cutting the total male prison population by more than a third.

we've had over 400 deaths in custody since a Review/Royal Commission in 1991 & no-one has ever been charged.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 10:11 PM

I live in Charlottesville, where the cops just let people get beaten.

But more generally, I have real hopes that they'll stop killing people, any person, for being *suspected* of a crime. "They" includes some cops and all vigilantes.

And for those cops, "I was just following orders" hasn't been an excuse for generations.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 10:20 PM

one here was excused by his senior officer as "having a bad day"

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 12:03 AM

I would love to sing a song called "The Tipping Point."

To me too, it seems different this time somehow. There are so many layers and facets of us calling for change. That seems new to me.

Not to take note of the fact that if we fail AGAIN, I think the consequences may be brutal.

Wouldn't it be nice if it turned out that t'Rump was of some use after all?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Helen
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 12:31 AM

I agree, Ebbie, it does seem different.

This is how it seems to me. There are different aspects in life which seem to be converging on a pivotal point. Each of the different aspects have occurred before, but relatively isolated from other aspects, but in the present global situation and with certain people in power, what used to be familiar and taken for granted is being viewed from a new vantage point by a large number of people. This could be an opportunity to rethink a lot of aspects of life on earth, including racism and social inequality, but also including climate change and the way our economies are structured and a whole lot of other things.

The naysayers could say there is no point in taking action, it has all been done before, it made little to no difference then so it will make no difference now, so it's a WOFTAM*, just forget it.

*waste of effing time and money, (or in this case WOFTAE, where E = energy).

“There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.” Victor Hugo

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: mg
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:04 AM

well...i was pretty confident that things would change for the better when it was just climate change and covid...i am still optimistic. what has really set things back is not the massive protests, which would be better if it were not for the spread of virus...but the riots which may have outside involvement..which of course they do...

but police reform will come. some officers need to be gone. some need retraining. what they really need is more officers from whatever group of people is most interacting with them in terms of jail etc. we need to go after people of noncolor with the same vigor used on people of color...just watched a looting of gucci video.. lots of cute white girls. go after them first and foremost. let them know they have broken the law and there will be consequences..probably not jail because of covid...but they should be going back to school with ankle bracelets and drones flying over their heads.

there is a lot of information out about beating covid and we have to because it seems to be causing all these blood ailments, probably because so many are recovering. They have a good and inexpensive protocol that many countries are using and scientists are going after some false research that was put out recently. So reducing the impact of covid is urgent and will be set back by huge gatherings of people lately. But it will die down. America and other places will go back to work but many businesses are dead from the virus, the shutdown and the looting. Trump will most likely be defeated, Lindsey and Mitch will probably be defeated. I am making a monthly contribution to defeat Lindsey and urge others to join me.

We are on the verge of almost free energy, of solving the plastic problem, of having solar powered cars, of educating the planet at no cost, of providing clean water to people, of reforestation. We can produce 3d drawn houses in 48 hours or so. we could probably house all the homeless with refurbished fifth wheelers etc. we could put all sorts of people to work with good financial and housing incentives. i think we will have some sort of health care for all. hopefully we will have fewer hours to work spread out among more people.

Agriculture huge problem with climate change. Need more people in agriculture especially involving animals. Need to create more surplus food and provide it to low income people..we could have local greenhouses and dairies for food deserts.

One thing is that we will have a Black woman VP. Because I dont think Biden is the right candidate and approaching senility, I was hoping for Elizabeth Warren to be his backup. I think that is no longer possible but she can push legislation through. I am hoping mayor of atlanta is VP.

Things have changed. Riots will kill many minority owned businesses and places like target will perhaps just say we can't take this risk so we are gone. Well...that is what riots do. Change will not come probably without them.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:59 AM

The demos will fade. There's no revolution coming. Had Floyd been killed in midwinter far fewer people would be on the streets. Racial tensions resulting in street demos only happen in summer in Britain. The fight is not pointless and we have to keep going. I want to be wrong and in no way am I feeling defeatist. A black man is murdered by a policeman and you see great hopes. Hundreds have been mass murdered in schools and colleges and other public places by deranged gunmen for decades, but you've done nothing. Anthropogenic climate change science is settled yet atmospheric CO2 goes up and up. The biggest and most influential countries are doing almost nothing and the rain forests burn. You decide whether it's just me being bloody gloomy or whether it's you who's late in getting real.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 05:04 AM

It always is "different this time" - we have social media, Fake News, and Fakebook.

But history teaches us: a change will come. And it will probably be in small steps.
There is inertia in the system, push too hard and it rips, and you can't predict where. Well you can, but there are a million predictions and no person can hold all the permutations in their head and prepare for the ones that come true.

Mind you the most important lesson history teaches us is that we don't listen to history.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 05:07 AM

The longer this goes on the better I feel about the prospects of states and municipalities reforming their law enforcement institutions, something that is already happening in Minneapolis and other locales but I'm worried about the stress that the police must be under, I hope they can hold up. It's encouraging to have seen a number of incidents of cops expressing solidarity with the protestors, forming handshake, or elbow bump, lines and even marching with the protestors as they did in Newark last week, that's certainly something that's changed. You're always gonna have a percentage of bad ones out there and that's true in any profession.
As for Biden's VP pick, since mg brought it up, I guess a black woman is a likelihood at this point and I like Val Demmings, a Florida Rep and former Orlando Police Chief and social worker, she comes across as a confident, intelligent strait-talker who would be able to step into the job immediately and learn while doing it, something the incumbent president is in no way capable of. Keisha Lance Bottoms, the Atlanta Mayor has also emerged as an appealing choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 05:58 AM

"straight-talker"

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 06:17 AM

You can live in hope that you will get decent, sane presidents and vice-presidents. But Obama couldn't change much. Like all your politicians (ours too, perhaps to a lesser extent), they are leaned on so heavily by powerful and unelected lobbies - the gun lobby, the pro-Israel lobby, oil companies, financial institutions, the big multinationals - that the significant changes that glaringly need to be made are impossible. You could start with your ridiculous electoral system, which would help to prevent dolts like Trump from being "elected," but that ain't happening either, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 06:38 AM

You're not going to win a battle with just hope but you're not going to win one without it either. I don't think any one here thinks you're going to throw a switch and things will change, protests like those that have been going on for the last 12 days nudge things forward, maybe just slightly, but they also get people talking and thinking, I've seen that here in my own conservative white bread community and that can be reflected at the polls as it was in the 2018 midterms. Or you can just give up.
I think we're witnessing the last stand of White male supremacy in this country and they're not going to go down easy.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 07:03 AM

Corporations donating to fight racial injustice and Trump martial law

Walmart 100 million
airbnb   50 million
Amazon    10 million
facebook    10 million
Coogle       12 million
There are over a hundred smaller corporations also on the list

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 07:20 AM

Supreme Court may take up 'qualified immunity' law that protected cops for 50 years

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 09:06 AM

I didn't think we'd get marriage equality either, so I have hopes. Ditto pot laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 09:39 AM

The whole business has got totally out of hand. When rent-a-mob breaks the law, what do they expect to happen? I feel for the poor animals.

ALL LIVES MATTER.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 09:57 AM

You talking about the President's militia thugs? The guy has gone full-on paranoid.

The rest of it's been pretty peaceful of late, however I was listening to BBC America last night, and they were talking about rioting and such. I wondered what the hell THEY'D been paying attention to.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 10:52 AM

Some glaring oversights may be changed, For example LYNCHING is NOT a Federal crime. Racist Practices may be untouched in certain local police departmnts including internal affairs.

Not to cause unneeded anger but I have noticed a few of our British cousins useing rhetoric that would have alarmed Americans if they expressed it on Wash.DC streets. In their defense - differnt country, history and intensity of the issue. There is more they don't know over here than they think.

Personally our 2 closest McDonalds have a history of murdering an innocent elderly black patron in the drive through and beating black kids. I've marched in funerals for black martyrs since I was 8. I visited DC by bus to attend the MLK I have a dream speech but I did not break quarantine due to Covid 19 this week.



Just now on FOX, Rudy Guilliani is quick to point out that police kill a miniscule number of black people than blacks killing blacks.
He said we need LAW and ORDER LAW and ORDER LAW and ORDER LAW and ORDER
He goes on to Blame Jane Fonda and Obama for the defund the police movement and that police racism is a hoax and MYTH

100 billion goes to the police each year - you be the judge

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 11:24 AM

BoneZoo is right, pets are people too. Why has he excluded black cats?
What is this FOX claim that black evil matters ;^{

There is sometimes a need for comedic relief

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 11:33 AM

Ever since I was a little lad going to football matches in Lancashire, I've been opposed to the use of police horses in crowds. Horses can be skittish and unpredictable and you can't always get away from them. I saw a few bad-tempered incidents in those times.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 12:33 PM

I just saw an actual Game of Thrones moment when Mayor Jacob of Mineapolis was asked about defunding police, he said "No". The crowd started chanting 'go home Jacob go home', he turned to leave and the chanting turned into "Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame. The young mayor walkednearly 2 blocks awy befor the chanting petered out.

Defunding should be a less funding with funding of education instead.imo

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 01:21 PM

The way this is lining up, with Trump's secret army, militia or whoever they are, and his raging paranoia, I wonder...
I'm pretty sure he'll lose the election, and what will happen when folks try to drag him out of the White House?
Black Lives Matter, and the murder of Floyd, have resulted in the tide turning. He has to deal with his inaction on Covid-19 killing thousands, and now, the focus on anti-racism, and generally Doing The Right Thing, just pile on him.
I'm afraid of what will happen in the future, but I'm stoked that so many people care about justice.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 01:25 PM

Oh good, the real Jeri has returned.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 01:31 PM

Can any of you people over yonder give us an idea of Trump's popularity rating over all this ?
We're getting mixed messages, the BBC is blanking it but an American commentator on Irish radio yesterday said he was plummeting
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 01:35 PM

Thank you mossback for your kind comment

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 01:45 PM

47% approve 53% disapprove overall

Then there are dozens of breakdown polls

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 03:08 PM

"BOOM !"...

Now that's a scenario for our creative imagination...

An assassination of a high security surrounded evil mad dictator would need to be an inside job..

Anything in public would be too spectacular taking out too many bystanders...

Though not a sensible solution, as the repercussions, would be diabolically bad
for a heavily privately armed divided nation...

Best it was made to look like natural causes..
though absolutely no guarantee mass deranged trigger happy supporters would believe this..

.. or that the replacement would be any better...

But day dreaming isn't a crime yet...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 03:41 PM

Just heard on the UK news that George Floyd funeral goers were not chanting Black Lives Matter but Black Power; it seems to me many people of African origin are themselves racist - it does NOT only go in one direction; my poem on "Land Rights"

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 03:54 PM

Somebody's lying, Wav.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 03:56 PM

"Just heard on the UK news that George Floyd funeral goers were not chanting Black Lives Matter but Black Power; it seems to me many people of African origin are themselves racist - it does NOT only go in one direction; my poem on "Land Rights" "

Were they goers squire??

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:01 PM

Black and white, unite and fight crap crack-pot poetry...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:04 PM

Oh, the black Americans I've had to do with are, frequently and commonly, incredibly racist. In fact, there is a redefinition of racism going on where it it's against the upper class, it isn't racism. Sigh. I quote King a lot about not making skin-color-based judgments but waiting for content of character...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:06 PM

It's for a good cause though, some geezer they never knew in a different country who was killed by another geezer they never knew from that same country.......
And now they want to blame everyone that had absolutely nothing to do with it especially whites and police!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:24 PM

Bonz - all I know is that I am a white male who has benefited far less from the oppressive exploitation of other races,
than probably you and the privileged middle class you belong to...

Of course I'm not to blame for any historic and current race crimes..
but I'm aware they happened,
and would prefer they no longer continue..

Whichever colour the aggressors are...

Btw.. just watched two magpies beating up a predatory cat in my back yard..

What a brilliant natural symbolic image for Black and White unity...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:28 PM

Here's a tidbit. Two of the officers charged in George Floyd's death are rookies starting their 1st week. It was their training day with Chauvin in charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 05:10 PM

Back in the 1960s to 1980s it was the 'black power' movement now it has reared its ugly head again under 'black lives matter' It will not succeed any more than it did then. for many reasons....... my belief as a Christian 9s that All lives matter......Suggest a bit of research into how many Native Americans have died in Police custody in America in the last ten years... much more than black Americans. Check how many white people have been murdered in Africa... especially Zimbabwe in the last ten years and how many, including people we know, have been forced to flee for their lives from Zimbabwe. Check how many Aborigines have died in custody in Australia and how many white missionaries have died in the last ten years in different parts of the world. I'm sorry but as a Christian, I believe that ALL lives matter. Not just 'black lives' a movement which has carried on from the 'Black Power' movement of the 1960-80s All lives matter to me. I acknowledge that black lives are important but no more important than any other race which is being in any way persecuted including our own UK.... Lee Rigby, a young Army man and numerous other killed on London Bridge and environs.. Because a career criminal guilty in the past of many acts of violence which included the robbery at gunpoint of a heavily pregnant woman died at the hands of a police officer and large riots ensued...... all this has been blown out of proportion. He and others who were with him have been arrested and are being dealt with by the law......which is correct...... but a movement that is anarchic in nature and is destroying property, buildings and police cars also causing human suffering is not the right thing ....

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Helen
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 05:14 PM

Jim Carroll,

I watch this Oz show every week and it has very good balanced coverage and commentary with statistics on various issues including how Trump and Biden are doing in the polls:

Planet America
and

Planet America Fireside Chat

They have also been including coverage of the protests.

I'm not sure whether you can access the iView from outside of Australia.