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BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?

Backwoodsman 09 Jun 20 - 04:50 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 04:50 PM

And I third it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 04:32 PM

Exactly right. I second that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 04:27 PM

To state "all lives matter" is to be totally tone deaf in the environment in which the POINT of saying "Black Lives Matter" is to stop treating African Americans as second class citizens. It's saying 'I matter and I want that to be perfectly clear,' when, if you're white, it has always been a given that you got preferential treatment in the "who matters" department.

So, when you say "all lives matter," you're really saying "I matter more" and you are supporting the status quo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 04:07 PM

The words by Walkabouts Verse are by no means irrelevant, especially the lines about "outnumbered". Neither is it "racist" to state that "all lives matter", although I prefer "all lives matter equally", for several reasons. It is a truly "inclusive" statement. Oh - and all kinds of statues of people once praised and now denigrated should be part of this context ( especially all those who increased Human suffering ), since "direct action" has yoked these issues together.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 02:50 PM

Stilly consistantly says what I feel I should be saying. Instead I go for the tongue in cheek thought interspersed with a few no nonsense outraged rants. The truth is she can tell the truth better. If I were you I would listen most carefully since she is probably the only adult in the room in the most steadfast fashion.

Personal experiences are welcome and offer interesting insights but for the best overview, you know where to go.
By the way there are certain threads where thread drift is more offensive than others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 01:52 PM

Trump is claiming that the incident which sent the old man sprawling was a 'set-up' staged for the cameras
Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him :-)
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 01:28 PM

"At this time, just about the most racist thing you can say is that "all lives matter." You really need to consider what you're typing before you post." - Oh yeah - says who??? Absolute bollocks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 01:24 PM

Saying "black lives matter" is only objectionable to people who are afraid of black people.
It's about fear.
I don't mind "black lives matter", and I don't mind "black power", and those who do should go find a bunker to hide in...or at least stop advertising the fact they're cowards. We know. You can stop signalling it to us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:46 PM

WAV, stop with the treacle. You're willfully ignoring the topic and are irrelevant to this conversation.

Protesters across US attacked by cars driven into crowds and men with guns.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:43 PM

You know what I’m going say Steve, SRS, etc. “Don’t...”


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:35 PM

At this time, just about the most racist thing you can say is that "all lives matter." You really need to consider what you're typing before you post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:29 PM

The BlackLivesMatter slogan is borderline racist - all lives matter, including NATIVE Americans, who did not ask to be invaded by imperialists & their slaves, nor economic/CAPITALIST immigrants; my poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, on "Land Rights"


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 12:28 PM

This thread had the potential to discuss the forward-thinking government changes that will shift budgets away from police and toward community services, so police responding to a "disturbed person" call don't need to shoot him or her, instead, a social worker or psychiatric professional can respond and get them help (one example only). Youth-at-risk programs can be set up to give teens something interesting to do on those weekend late-nights (basketball, in particular) to keep them out of trouble. And so the arsenals of warfare equipment are sent back to the military and police learn neighborhood policing, walking through neighborhoods and getting to know the people they are protecting.

Those of you shouting from your soap boxes about decades-old "black power" movements and whatever the drivel is that WAV is spouting, are living in ignorance of what the last two weeks have been about, and apparently have no interest in acknowledging that while everyone was stuck in COVID-19 lockdown, they had the luxury to pay attention to the news of George Floyd's death and respond appropriately. With protest. Enough police violence is enough, and their over-response with the militaristic postures and tear gas and rubber bullets and flashbangs and more were illustrating WHY they should no longer be tolerated or trusted to "protect" the communities they putatively serve. A side issue are the white nationalist looters trying to turn it all into the mess that they in fact managed to create for a while, but their gig is up, they've been outed, and now they're probably back hiding at their cabins in the woods, surrounded by their AK-47s. (And it may occur to some of you that the white nationalists look an awful lot like many of those police. There's a reason for that.)

Get out of your comfort zone, read the news from reputable sources, turn off any of Rupert Murdoch's television or radio stations.

Trump is toast, and now what rational people need to fear is how he will strike out until he is actually escorted out of the White House. Why wait till January? I think they need to take him by surprise with the 25th Amendment because he is clearly unable and unwilling to do the job of President. He's the hotspot the racist political hurricane is feeding on right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 11:58 AM

you
offer hearts and flowers Mrrzy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 08:37 AM

I am heartwarmed that this has blossomed into a global thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 04:19 AM

If Trump is reelected in November, things will only get worse. If Biden comes to office and there's a majority of Democrats in both houses, there's hope. But right now, we're in deep trouble and just trying to hold out until November. Whatever we do now, will push Trump to respond with a vengeance to please his "base." But if we do nothing, we'll let Trump do his dirty work AND lose the election. Our only hope is that election.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 02:45 AM

Someone posted this on Facebook this morning - new to me, but it tends to underline what's taking place at present
Jim

Nate Morris
Shared with Public
Ninety-seven years ago today, the first bombs ever dropped on American soil were dropped on the Greenwood neighborhood of Tulsa, Ok.
Greenwood - the most preeminent Black community in the United States at the time - was home to 10,000 residents and contained scores of Black-owned businesses, hotels, restaurants, law offices, doctors offices, movie theaters and more. Following an incident between a young Black man and a white woman in a downtown elevator, many of the nearly 3,200 Klan members in Tulsa and countless more white vigilantes armed themselves with firearms and marched North to Greenwood.
They opened fire in the streets, set businesses and homes ablaze and dropped napalm-style bombs from fertilizer planes flying overhead.
With the help of the national guard and the local police force, they arrested nearly 6,000 black residents and forced them into temporary internment camps in the Brady Theater (now a popular Tulsa music venue) while their thriving community was systematically leveled. Many of those imprisoned were starved, beaten and killed in the same space the city hosts jubilant concerts in today.
In just a few short days, Greenwood was completely destroyed and nearly every single one of its 10,000 residents were left homeless. While the official death toll from the Americans Red Cross at the time caps the loss of life at 300, some researchers estimate that the true number could rival that of Pearl Harbor and the September 11th attacks.
The Tulsa Race Massacre (NOT “riot”) was one of the greatest terror attacks in the history of this country, and yet it is so frequently missing from the pages of our history books. When it is mentioned, it is given the false label of “riot” - implying that, somehow, the Black community of Greenwood was complicit in the attack.
This is what whitewashed history does - it allows us to choose not to face the true horrors of our past, thereby absolving us of responsibility to rectifying it.
If you live in Tulsa, I would encourage you to engage in the events happening tonight and tomorrow at Reconciliation park in downtown - and to attend the Police Accountability Forum from 9-2 on Saturday at the 36th St. North Events center.
Regardless of where you live - it’s incumbent upon us (especially white people - who benefit from the same system that allowed this attack to occur, protected its perpetrators from legal action, precluded it’s victims from receiving compensation, and swept it from view of the masses for generations) to seek out the stories that have been purposefully hidden or misrepresented in order to continue perpetuating false, placated narratives of our country’s true past.
Once we know - we need to act.
Share your knowledge of our past with others.
Learn about implicit biases and check your own consistently.
Look at current events through a lens of systemic racism and call it out.
Support Black owned businesses and businesses run by other communities of color - use your money as a tool to help right centuries of wrongdoings.
Support organizations like the Greenwood Cultural Center who fight to preserve this history and restore the community of Greenwood.
The story of Greenwood is not an isolated one.
We have so much work to do as a country to undo a history of violence and oppression against communities of color — and it all starts with knowing.
To learn more about Greenwood and Black Wall Street today, I would encourage you to follow The Black Wall Street Times on Facebook, Twitter (@BlackWallStTime), or online at www.theblackwallsttimes.com.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 01:11 AM

On a YouTube video if you look under the video you'll find a place to click "share" and it will pop-up a box with the shortened URL.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:39 PM

+Here is the hard work I speak of. ONE


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:17 PM

Kimberly Jones How Can We Win?


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Neil D
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:01 PM

I no longer know how to make links to Youtube videos because I can't find the URLs. So I strongly urge all here to go to Youtube and search: kimberly jones how can we win? It's over six minutes of history you weren't taught in schools and the last minute and a half are especially powerful. You will hear her using the F-word, but if that's the part that causes you offence, then your priorities are skewed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 10:14 PM

https://www.motherjones.com/anti-racism-police-protest/2020/06/videos-show-cops-slashing-car-tires-at-protests-in-minneapolis/

Update, 6/8/20: The Star Tribune has identified the officers puncturing tires as state troopers and deputies from the Anoka County Sheriff’s Office. The officers strategically deflated the tires to “stop behaviors such as vehicles driving dangerously and at high speeds in and around protesters and law enforcement,” said Minnesota Department of Public Safety spokesperson Bruce Gordon. The troopers reportedly targeted cars that “contained items used to cause harm during violent protests” such as rocks and concrete. The Anoka County Sheriff’s Lt. Andy Knotz said deputies were following directions from the state-led Multiagency Command Center.

After long nights of tear gas and rubber bullets, some protesters, news crews, and medics in Minneapolis last weekend found themselves stranded: The tires of their cars had been slashed.

In a city upended by protests about police brutality after the death of George Floyd, many assumed protesters were to blame. But videos reveal a different culprit: the police.

In the videos, officers puncture tires in a K-Mart parking lot on May 30 and a highway overpass on May 31. Both areas briefly turned into police staging grounds near protest hot spots.

The officers appear to be state troopers or county police, though it’s not clear from the videos. Neither the Minnesota State Patrol nor the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office responded to requests from Mother Jones. The Minneapolis Police Department and Minnesota National Guard denied involvement.

The gray car in the video above was the rental car of Luke Mogelson, a New Yorker writer who typically covers war zones and is now stationed in Minneapolis to write about the protests. As the protest on Sunday evening turned hairy, with law enforcement tear-gassing peaceful groups soon after curfew, Mogelson went to check on his car, showing his press pass to officers along the way. (Media were exempt from the curfew.) One officer took a picture of his press pass and said he would “radio it up the chain so everyone knew that car belonged to the press,” said Mogelson. When he came back later that evening to retrieve his car, officers informed him that the tires were punctured. “They were laughing,” Mogelson recalled. “They had grins on their faces.”

Mogelson was among many journalists who came back to flat tires after the protests.

Follow the link for the rest of the story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 09:37 PM

It will become an eternal symbol in the issue of racism, police abuse and police reform. The hard work is ahead.
As you know I am a strong believer in lasting symbols.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 09:32 PM

Raheem Sterling made some useful points about the representation of BAME footballers in the hierarchy of football. But maybe those in those positions rose there through their ability to do the job.
You cannot justify having quotas in every job at every level.

Raheem Sterling: “There’s something like 500 players in the Premier League and a third of them are black and we have no representation of us in the hierarchy, no representation of us in the coaching staffs. There’s not a lot of faces that we can relate to and have conversations with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 09:26 PM

Will the death of George Floyd at the hands of white police officer Derek Chauvin mark a
turning point in the US?


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 09:16 PM

If I might just be indulged for one more minute, here's the estimable John Crace in the Guardian:

"And yet you couldn’t miss the faint whiff of hypocrisy on both sides of the house. Almost all those who were appalled by Edward Colston being dumped in the river had cheered when the statue of Saddam Hussein had been torn down."

John did miss a trick, of course, by forgetting to put the word "appalled" in speech marks...


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 07:15 PM

I thought that Raheem Sterling was very impressive on Newsnight. A nice contrast with the horrendous smirker Priti-they-called-me-Paki-in-the-playground-so-I'll-take-no-lectures-from-you, you-black-woman-MP-Patel. Tens of thousands of nearly-all-peaceful demonstrators turned out this weekend. Both the detestable Patel and the even more detestable Johnson chose to come out and criticise the tiny minority whose frustrations came to the fore. Anything to divert from the shit that they've dropped on poorer communities for a decade, and which now exposes them for what they are as we see how much more vulnerable to Coronavirus black people are.

My friend Blair Peach was bludgeoned to death by a policeman forty-one years ago as he was making his way home from a demonstration opposing racism. Kevin Whately, a student from Warwick University, was bludgeoned to death on my birthday in 1974 in Red Lion Square during a protest against the fascist National Front. It was the first demo he'd ever been on. In neither case has anyone been brought to justice. The identity of Blair's killer has been known for decades. We're bloody sick of this stuff and I for one fully support and fully understand the protests about the murder by a policeman of George Floyd. I've hardly touched on this have I, with just those three examples. So I really don't want to hear the rank hypocrisy of the harrumphers who bemoan the abuse and the deserved, and long-overdue, demise of the cheap, shitty statue of a man who connived in the mass murder and the mass misery of black people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 06:23 PM

"BLM is a Marxist organisation that wants to overthrow all we hold dear. Don’t buy into this equalities and racism crap, it’s a cover."


Bonzo approved amendment to slogan - "Affluent Black Conservative Lives Matter"


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 03:30 PM

Racism is a multifaceted problem beyond who or what makes life matter.
It is also an INCREDIBLE amount of energy. E=MC2
America was built by black lives from the ground up especially in the south. When energy is restrained and constrained it will EXPLODE.
It doesn't take an Einstein or a genius to see white fear, fragility and domination at work. Doing the right thing has taken dozens if not thousands of years because we're not as smart as we think we are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 02:36 PM

HERE

Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 01:39 PM

In around 1970, when the Australian government were actively seeking UK immigrants, I went to an official government presentation in Kent. The main feature was a film which depicted all the tempting attractions of the Aussie lifestyle - sunshine, beaches, surfing, sports, barbies and the like. I was ready to sign on the dotted line. Then the mood changed, and the film proudly showed a camp for aboriginal Australians. Behind the wire fences, the camera showed a clearly dispirited group of people.The men were propped up against the hut walls, and clutching beer bottles, while the children were playing aimlessly in the dust, but the main impression I retain after 50 years is of the flies settled round their eyes and mouths, with none even finding the energy to brush them away.
This was an official film promoting the country, remember, and the commentary made it quite clear that this was an achievement to be admired.

So, I didn’t sign up, and I can’t help wondering if less than one lifetime has been enough to eradicate this way of thinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 01:10 PM

That's enough, Bonzo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 12:41 PM

Anybody mind if I swear NOW?


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 12:26 PM

BLM is a Marxist organisation that wants to overthrow all we hold dear. Don’t buy into this equalities and racism crap, it’s a cover.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:51 AM

It seems to me that the UK has so many CCTV cameras around that a decade ago or so when looters were part of a mix of rioters officials were able to tell them apart and make charges that stick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:47 AM

Yes - those people who were rioting! Of course I am not referring to the decent people who were there and you know it!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:40 AM

The vast majority of people out on the streets this weekend were not "rioting," Bonzo, and you know it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:37 AM

My post was directed to Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:36 AM

Perhaps, but that has been the response from a lot of GOP party members here also, so that argument is ongoing and is an impediment to finding solutions for people, not things. The economy does need to be restored, but in a way that doesn't just let the fat cats get fatter. As has already happened with the bills that have gone through Congress so far, in the wake of COVID-19.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:36 AM

So you're clearly fine with laws that uphold injustices. The thing about the law, Nigel, as any judge will tell you, is that the law is there for the people. All of us. The law is never infallible. The law that permitted hanging, drawing and quartering was a bad law. A law that permits hands to be chopped off for minor transgressions is a bad law. A law that allows you to be imprisoned for kissing your girlfriend in the street is a bad law. A law that protects the right of existence of the hated, celebratory image of a slave trader whose company was responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and for the misery of hundreds of thousands of others is....a bad law? Was the law that protected Saddam's statue a bad law? (You haven't answered). So what should we do about bad laws that the establishment, which laws are not supposed to be exclusively for, refuses to change? What about when People Power toppled the vicious Marcos dictatorship? Those "people" probably broke dozens of laws when they did that. Did you write a huffy letter to the Telegraph to complain?

By the way, the law that insists that Floyd, along with everyone else in the US, was entitled to due process in the judicial system is a good law. It doesn't matter how bad you think the chap was. Unlike Georgiansilver, I happen to think that even the worst people are entitled to that process. Like most people I was glad to see the back of Bin Laden. But the manner of his dispatch made me feel uncomfortable.   Just a few musings, y'know...


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:32 AM

"I'm wondering if this should now be considered a British politics thread.
So goes everything on Mudcat these days."
The 'Black lives' movement has become international Jeri - America can't always claim the best things for themselves

He's winding you up like the hall clock Maggie
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:30 AM

Yep, DMcG, it's all relevant. It just seem the thread was deteriorating into a fight about one particular statue being removed.
There's a Facebook Live news conference with Congressional Democrats at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:27 AM

Flag burning is legal in the US, though there are patriotic zealots who would suggest the flag is sacred. Your response, Bonzo, is exactly the kind of thing that is a problem; you appear to be more interested in the symbol or the real estate than in the human beings impacted by bad policies and bigotted governments and racist officials.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:25 AM

Those people weren't there to support anything. They were there to riot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:23 AM

I'm wondering if this should now be considered a British politics thread

I hope not, Jeri. It is being reported in the UK that

House speaker Nancy Pelosi reflected on the moment of silence that lawmakers observed for George Floyd in Emancipation Hall this morning.

Just before unveiling the Justice in Policing Act, congressional Democrats kneeled for eight minutes and 46 seconds, in observation of the length of time that a police officer had his knee on Floyd’s neck.

“My members will attest, it is a very long time,” Pelosi said.

The Democratic speaker said “the martyrdom of George Floyd” has sparked nationwide protests, which has now inspired this piece of legislation.

“This moment of national anguish is being transformed into a movement of national action,” Pelosi said.

After reading out the names of some of the people who have been killed in police custody, Pelosi said, “We cannot settle for anything less than transformative, structural change.”


That, and the bill, seem very significant to me, and I don't think it should get drowned out by the Bristol events.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:16 AM

I'm wondering if this should now be considered a British politics thread.
So goes everything on Mudcat these days.

We haven't had much violence in the USA protests recently. Tweet by @RoguePOTUSStaff:
Lafayette Square is closed to frustrate, deflect, and deter protesters, and to shield the President from exposure to them. No other reason. There are no riots. There is on security issue. It is solely an act suppress exercise of the first amendment.
I don't like that they've closed off the square, but I like that the protesters are getting to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:11 AM

You appear to be equating the removal of a hated statue which celebrated a slave trader whose company killed 20000 black people with the brutal killing of an unarmed, untried man

I realise that you read selectively. But I clearly stated:
The two are in no way equivalent, but belief in the rule of law applies to both. You can't choose to only support it when it matches your own beliefs, that way lies anarchy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:09 AM

I am not sure what is in 'the book' to be thrown for flag burning. Criminal damage, potentially. But I am uncertain what UK laws there are against anarchy and disrespect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:03 AM

yes, bonzo, we are tired of this crap. we are not all bigots in britain and many people do try to have respect for peace and humanity


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Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 11:02 AM

Best if you just speak for yourself really. Most of the BLM demonstrators on British streets were, er....British....


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