BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Aug 20 - 12:21 PM

Ah, Mrrzy,
The fellow who drove his car fatally into someone --
that was Charlottesville, wasn't it? --
was from Ohio, and from my native quadrant of Ohio at that.
I don't go back there.

My beloved, departed piano teacher
who prepared my audition for majoring in music at university,
also a native of Ohio, was African-American
and well acquainted with East Cleveland and its churches with their music directors and choirs,
significant population concentration of African-Americans there.

After raising his family, he got the heck out of Ohio
and never went back --
same with his brother, his cousins, and their families.
They headed for places like New Jersey instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Aug 20 - 03:43 PM

Yup.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 11:53 AM

A loophole in the 13th ammendmaent allows for college athlete slave labor. https://247sports.com/college/auburn/board/102332/Contents/College-Football-System-A-Form-Of-Modern-Slavery-71159540/

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Aug 20 - 08:13 AM

Nonsense. This is exactly the kind of Oh-slavery-wasn't-that-bad crap the BLM is trying to change. Not getting paid to *play a game* you could *quit anytime you wanted to* ain't slavery, bub.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 07:29 PM

of course old time slavery differs from modern slave owner tactics,
If you only knew the poverty and degradation of quitting for black athletes.

Since this thread last appeared 4 more police murders of blacks have been recorded and posted. The latest one was shot 7 times in the back but still clings to life. The policeman held the victim by the back of his T shirt as he fired all 7 shots.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 02:16 PM

Paralyzed from the waist down, that poor man.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 11:29 AM

The fact that you don't *want* to quit, even -or especially- for financial reasons, doesn't make the job you're *getting paid for* slavery.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 03:05 PM

There's alot more to the story about unpaid college football and basktball players.

Meanwhile the 3 little kids who watched their father shot in the back are asking why.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 04:56 PM

All NBA play off games are postponed due to Kenosha Wisconsin shooting.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 05:06 PM

Bully for the NBA.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 06:13 PM

The NBA is 70% black. The decision took 2.5 hours
I lost my disc jocky bf Roger McCall to a shooting.
I had a boss that was an ex DC cop who killed three black kids.
This open season massacre of blacks must have touched your life too.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 04:34 AM

Now we have the first blck woman in space going aboard the Boeing miss
ion to the space station.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 05:50 AM

"Now we have the first black woman in space".
What about Mae Jemison who orbited the Earth in Endeavour back in 1992?
Mae Jemison

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 06:02 AM

Same woman Nigel.

Pense doubles down on war against BLM

Now some would call this misinformation but it is only a matter of rhetoric. https://www.axios.com/pence-black-lives-matter-protests-98d1432d-135c-4707-abf4-ca5c6c99ace4.html

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 06:14 AM

Sorry, Donuel. When you said "Now we have the first black woman in space". I assumed that the 'now' related to some news, not something that happened almost 30 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 06:21 AM

DICKERSON: "So you won't say Black lives matter?"
PENCE: "John, I really believe that all lives matter. And that's where the heart of the American people lies."

Last night Pense played into the hands of the white nationalists who are instigating murder and arson blaming all violence on the blacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 06:40 AM

Thank you, to clear the confusion, https://people.com/human-interest/nasa-astronaut-jeanette-epps-become-first-black-woman-join-iss-crew/

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Penny S.
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 05:41 AM

There was a long piece on Channel 4 News last night about a July 4th incident in Indiana, showing videos taken by white people who had intervened to help a black man who had been attacked by a bunch of barely dressed inebriated tattoed white men who called him boy, repeatedly, told the white people to clear off and leave them to deal with him, and asked for a noose*. It took some time for the prime examples of supreme whites to be arrested, and they are now claiming that the black man started it, and was trespassing (apparently not) and ignoring the video evidence. The FBI is now involved.
When people have forgotten about lynching will be time for Pence to ignore the phrase "Black Lives Matter". He is only afraid of being attacked by a random woman who finds him irresistably attractive.
*Apparently they are exonerated by not having a noose, or even a rope only mentioning it. Comments under reports on line are sickening. But I am sure there are people over here just as bad.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 10:03 AM

Not in space but on the ISS.

Not the same woman, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 10:28 AM

So it's pretty much changed from "holier than thou" to "more woke than thou". The smart people are doing more listening than talking.

And "all lives matter" should be amended to say "all live matter, including black lives", which is pretty much what "black lives matter" means, anyway.


But Pence is a future former jerk of a VP.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 11:58 AM

Trump poses as anti establishment, but will probably use the latest killing as an excuse to poses as a law and order candidate.
Jeri, is what i say clear to you, this could be the event that gets Trump re.elected, your calling pence a jerk will achieve very little.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 12:02 PM

Michael Moore cautioned about Trump winning last time and was really sorry to be right. He's making that same warning again in 2020.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 12:27 PM

book makers odds Biden 5/6. on Trump evens, Very Close

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 07:47 PM

Why did police handcuff a paralyzed Jacob Blake to his hospital bed?
https://abc7.com/jacob-blake-handcuffed-kenosha-hospital-bed/6393621/

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 10:19 AM

Because he was under arrest. They released him when he made bail.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 12:19 AM

Tomorrow is another "listening session" for Charlottesville City Council. People get on Zoom and have 3mn to say their piece with no response from the Council. Last time I got quoted in the paper. This time, though, our amazingly racist mayor is supposed to be there. Betcha she bails.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 04:40 AM

The President commented on Rittenhouse as being viciously attacked.
He also said he didn't like the visual of the Jacob Blake video

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:49 AM

Looking back for decades there were laws passed that would ban black women from welfare if they co habitated with a male who could
potentially work. This resulted in banning many fathers from the household and leaving children without fathers.
This is practically a norm now. The next step by racists is to limit children born by black women and incarerate as many black men as possible. This is an old Nazi template.
This strategy can be heard by Sheriffs accross the country.
Perfected racism

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 02:36 PM

Mrrzy said the paralyzed Jacob was handcuffed to the hospital bed because he was arrested and needed to pay bail. Bail for what?
I have since learned it was for a 3rd degree class G felony for sexual assault that doesn't involve penetration. Was this an accusation by a girlfriend? Past or present charges? Is this a legitimate charge or trumped up charges? Was he involved in any argument before being shot?
There are missing details on purpose?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Sep 20 - 09:07 AM

I don't know what the bail [arrest charge] was for.

Our mayor didn't bail [on our listening session] but she talked for over an hour, when she was supposed to be listening, so I (and most others) did not get a chance to ask anything. Plus the one question I did hear, she rebutted, which she wasn't supposed to do. Sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Sep 20 - 05:04 PM

From: Donuel - PM
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:49 AM
Looking back for decades there were laws passed that would ban black women from welfare if they co habitated with a male who could
potentially work. This resulted in banning many fathers from the household and leaving children without fathers.

I don't know how it works in US, but in UK only one member of a 'household' can make a claim for that household. If there's a man living there then (historically) it was the man who made the claim. If a woman (with or without children) wants to claim benefits she needs to confirm that there is not a man capable of working living in the same household. And this would be the same irrespective of the colour of the woman. Isn't that also the case in the US?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Sep 20 - 04:28 PM

Yeah Nigel doesn't institutional racism suck?

By the way the nazi gun totting agents provocateur have a new name given them by media, 'Counter protester'.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 11:57 AM

In the US the isurrection/cold civil war is at the minimal shooting stage in which we can still name the victims.
After the Trump loss, the real domestic terrorism is being hyped on right wing sites. The left is considered the target. I don't know if the National Guard is considered the target or if Black killings will have a open season. Like a White Nationalist Taliban most attacks will be cowardly. Left wing demonstrations will dry up and the radicalized militants may have to take aim at American Women marches or go home.

Some violent rhetoric is still on Facebook but there are other sites. I don't know how much is Russian propoganda and how much is the unwashed American right wing. While this is my personal speculation, I believe many gun nuts believe Trump in that its all rigged against their voice. Some people will let thier ever lovin guns do their talking. Then you will no longer know the all the names of victims.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 12:29 PM

From: Donuel
Date: 05 Sep 20 - 04:28 PM
Yeah Nigel doesn't institutional racism suck?

I don't know what it was that you were incapable of understanding in my post:
I don't know how it works in US, but in UK only one member of a 'household' can make a claim for that household. If there's a man living there then (historically) it was the man who made the claim. If a woman (with or without children) wants to claim benefits she needs to confirm that there is not a man capable of working living in the same household. And this would be the same irrespective of the colour of the woman. Isn't that also the case in the US?
There is no 'institutional racism' either present, or implied, there.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 03:58 PM

If you lived in America for a lifetime you would possibly understand but I daresay you may be blind to why people have to jump through devised hoops, be it the economy, welfare, voting rights or criminal justice injustices based on color. The reason for your tone is not to see eye to eye or learn a thing imo.

back to my supposition

How Joe Biden responds to right wing terrorism will have to be opposite that of Trumpian Federal responses. The FBI reports the "right wing domestic violence extremists" are the most persistant threat to America.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 05:42 PM

The entire command staff, whatever that is, of the Rochester police department has now resigned.

Blicky.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 05:53 PM

Its a thankless job being whitey's errand boy.
It is best to step aside than learn a new reality overnight.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 07:54 PM

Nigel and I have many a difference, but I must say that your response to him is extremely insulting.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 08:16 AM

Yes it was a gutteral plain spoken response. I can only assume race relations in the UK are better than here and cannot be used comparitively with the US.
How much better, I honestly don't know.

More on a speculative right wing uprising over the election..
It will not be a full scale bloody insurrection but only a LOUDER right wing conspiratorial presence not just on the internet.
How loud? Probably louder than the Big Foot believers but if given enough rope they will eventually hang themselves with thier own nonsense and ammo.

The extreme right wing are currently reffered to as counter protestors but as time goes on there will be less respectful terms for them like 'terrorist'.

Remaking a national police force will drive the current racist elements underground but at least they won't have authorized 'star chambers' to use anymore.

Americans will again have to decide what kind of country we want and who we want to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 10:30 AM

One confederate monument removed in Charlottesville.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 20 - 05:05 PM

250 black women shot





Trump ties to KKK at Mt. Rushmore

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 08:33 AM

I don't want RBG, COVID or the election to knock this issue off our mental front page, so, refresh.

Wish I had something new to add, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Sep 20 - 10:40 AM

The protest continues in Seattle.

Unfortunately, the news media has all gone after fresher red meat. Currently, they'll be reporting on RBG...


...24/7

Consider that in the USA, it's the news media who determine what we focus on, and their main purpose is ratings, which = $.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 07:19 AM

The Breona killing was settled out of court for 12 milliom with no police being charged.

Rochester NY was the heart of women's equality and the Fredrick Douglas anti slavery movement. Not far from the Chautauqua which was an adult education and social movement in the United States, highly popular in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. ... The Chautauqua brought entertainment and culture for the whole community, with speakers, teachers, musicians, showmen, preachers, and specialists of the day.

Rochester today is suffering their own miniature civil war. In response to civil war statue removal, the Frederick Douglas statue was thrown in the Genesee River. Police resignations, killings and BLM protests grow as civilization seems to reverse course.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 08:06 AM

From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 20 - 07:19 AM

The Breona killing was settled out of court for 12 milliom with no police being charged.

Presumably this relates to the Breonna Taylor killing (New York Times)

The lack of any link, coupled with reducing the reference to a single, misspelt, forename doesn't help anyone understand what point you are trying to make.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Sep 20 - 08:13 AM

I think most people on this thread know what killing that referred to, Nigel Parsons.
And not charged *yet* - the grand jury is still out and a state of emergency has already been declared in case, I am assuming, they decide not to indict and the crowd goes wild.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 20 - 08:32 AM

My UK acquaintences never take into account that in America your household names are seldom in our house. Your compatriots seldom write with American audiences in mind. I used to try to accomodate for the differences but with a tone like yours why should I.
Take care of those feet of yours. Try Metformin.

With racist xenophobic fascist rallies and celebrations of Trump we are repeating 1933 Germany and have bigger fish to fry than your Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 20 - 05:42 PM

Oh, let's go
Steve walks warily down the street
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain't no sound but the sound of his feet
Police guns ready to go
Are you ready, hey, are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?
Through the car window the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat, yeah
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust
How do you think I'm going to get along
Without you when you're gone?
They took me for everything that I had
And kicked me out on my own
Are you happy, are you satisfied?
How long can we stand the heat?
Through the car window the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust
Hey
Oh, take it
Bite the dust
Kinda dusky
Hey
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust, ow
Another one bites the dust, hey-hey
Another one bites the dust, eh-eh
Ooh, shout out
There are plenty of ways that you can hurt a man
And bring him to the ground
You can beat him, you can cheat him
You can treat him bad and then leave him when he's down
But I'm ready, yes, I'm ready for you
I'm standing on my own two fee
Through the car window the bullets rip
Repeating to the sound of the beat, oh, yeah
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust, yeah
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust
Ooh, shoot out
Hey-hey
All right

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Helen
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 04:36 PM

Waiting for the verdict to be announced.

Floyd family 'calling for peace and tranquillity', says Biden, as
Chauvin jury reaches verdict

Subject: Derek Chauvin found guilty of all three charges
From: Helen
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 05:24 PM

Derek Chauvin found guilty of all three charges