BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 05:33 PM

Heh heh heh

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/business/racist-brands-aunt-jemima-chiquita/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 10:20 AM

Some wag suggested The Washington Ethnic Slurs for my "pre-Daniel Snyder" beloved Redskins.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 10:06 AM

Gigantic geriatric aromatic autocratic Nazis
Hate democratic diplomatic hispanics and Faucis.
Hatreds aren't few like blacks Jews and flus
But include the huge human zoo.

is a new day dawning
like old racists crawling
to suckle human kindness?
only the young will find it

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 10:00 AM

Is there now also hope for team name changes (*cough* redskins)?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 09:36 AM

The police reform protests are having a real impact:


The Marshall Project

Municipalities are also introducing reforms and some have already implemented them.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 09:14 AM

Happy Juneteenth, celebrated as long as I've lived in Virginia which will be 35 years come August.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 07:21 AM

Prez Bonespur has made Juneteenth "very famous" according to himself, which is not surprising since he's done more for blacks that Lincoln, also according to himself.

Rolling Stone


from the article:

Trump didn’t stop at bragging that he made Juneteenth famous. He then claimed that he polled people in his administration and no one had heard of the date that commemorates when a Union general told slaves in Galveston, Texas, that they were free — two-and-a-half years after the Emancipation Proclamation became law. Then, according to the WSJ, Trump interrupted the interview and asked an aide who was present if she had ever heard of Juneteenth, and she informed the president that a White House statement commemorating the day had gone out each year of his presidency.To which Trump said: “Oh really? We put out a statement? The Trump White House put out a statement? OK, OK. Good.”

Now he's got his redneck throngs converging on Tulsa for his rally that local officials are beseeching him not to hold in the interest of public health, with some coming from COVID19 hotspots in neighboring states.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 10:39 PM

'Drama hidin' Biden is leaning toward Kamala for a VP pick.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 10:31 PM

In the short term the flag of Mississippi is coming down, Louisiana is getting rid of Jefferson Davis Parkway with a name change. Its the route to the black college.
The long term changes are generational and are aimed at schools.

PS Helen they say early Alzheimers gets worse at the end of the day, while mornings can seem symptom free.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 06:43 PM

I know that footie doesn't appeal to everyone but I'm struck by the fact that all clubs and players for the first bunch of Premier League matches are unanimous in wearing Black Lives Matter shirts and are all, to a man, taking the knee at the start of games. We also have Raheem putting his head above the parapet to speak out against racism, and Marcus Rashford putting something back and forcing a Boris U-turn on meal vouchers for kids over summer. Good stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 06:34 PM

I think you may have misunderstood my 04.32pm post, pfr. There was a full stop after "thanks" before I then told you that I enjoyed no privileges...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 06:30 PM

Thank you for skipping past the Steve distraction while the rest of us are discussing actual means to implement BLM. He has engaged in that behavior for decades, particularly whenever I post.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 04:27 PM

History faded away in curriculum especially in subjects like the Civil War, or depending on what state wrote the textbooks, The war of Northern Aggression. Social studies changed as history classes faded and it was whatever the government decided what propoganda was of use.
More on this: https://www.historians.org/publications-and-directories/perspectives-on-history/summer-2019/what-changed-in-social-studies-educa

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 03:51 PM

After WWII the US used to teach that America is a cultural and racial melting pot. We used to teach Social Studies. Its time to do the minimum again. Although I suggest the maximum.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Helen
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 03:15 PM

Start another thread please, guys. This one is about Black Lives Matter.

Donuel said, "So, I am trying to establish that mental illness is seperate and apart from cultural racism. I do not excuse the learned hate but I do believe it is more curable than certain personality disorders."

I tend to agree that personality disorders are ingrained and cultural racism is learned, but I also think that it would take a lot of major cultural and social shifts combined with a major educational push to change some people's views on some other people in society.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 01:08 PM

"wokeness is one of those things that now only exists in the imagination"

well reasoned? Exactly what does not exist in imagination?
Competant leaders?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 11:37 AM

Boris Johnson does have a strategy on racism after all. It's called War on Woke

Ok, opinion piece but well reasoned. In my opinion. One snippet in there that I missed in the news. The arch-racist himself seems to have taken a pounding.

Nigel Farage, allegedly a teenage aficionado of the Hitler Youth, has lost his primetime broadcast platform after comparing the Black Lives Matter movement to the Taliban.

Definitely a step in the right direction.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 10:40 AM

So, I am trying to establish that mental illness is seperate and apart from cultural racism. I do not excuse the learned hate but I do believe it is more curable than certain personality disorders.
Without a doubt we are taking one step forward with BLM.

The ideas about a few bad apples is quaint and false.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 09:48 AM

Don, people want to keep this thread going, but don't have anything to say. That's how I see it. More about who is posting than the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 09:38 AM

?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 09:02 AM

Hannibal would eat someone else's heart out...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 08:30 AM

Yes I have personally known a serial killer cop

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 08:14 AM

" Is he murderously psychopathic? "
Several of the senior bobbies in both 'Between the Lines' and the eponymous 'Bancroft' were serial killers
Eat your heart out Norman Bates (or should that be Hannibal Lecter?)
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 08:02 AM

'Murderously Psychopathic' sounds terrible and dangerous'
Let me put this concept into one of normal and 'accepted' behavior:

Many white guys perform a ritual of going into the woods armed to the teeth to kill an animal, not for survival but for sport. If you ask me its not a fair fight. The hunters patiently track an animal after being alerted to its presence at long last. If the animal starts to run they may get off a shot or two and may only hit their prey in the back and exclaim "GOT HIM" . When the hunters come accross the carcass they may give it a kick to be sure it is dead and is not uncommon to even stand upon their prey. For a white guy who grew up hearing black people are animals and have that notion reinforced by others around him as well as incidents that further dehumanize black people in his eyes, the white guy actually comes to believe black people ARE animals. Is he murderously psychopathic? No he was culturally trained to kill.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 02:27 AM

British TV has a proud history of examining its forces of 'Law and Order' going back decades, from the early days of the ex- policeman, G F Newman's dramas, to the present 'Bancroft' and the terrifying 'Between the Lines'
'Dixon of Dock Green' and 'Z Cars' were somewhat quaintly bland, but the highly populer and long-running 'The Bill' took on corrupt and murderously psychopathic bobbies head on
Even our hospital soaps are now giving us killer doctors - what is the world coming to !!!!
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 12:01 AM

I'm hearing about various television fictional police procedurals being considered for cancellation, but so far I think it's just speculation. The "reality" program COPS was on the air for 30 years (and I never watched a single episode). It's toast.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Jun 20 - 08:42 PM

And, apparently, Mrs. Butterworth is not far behind.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Jun 20 - 03:40 PM

Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben are down, and out.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jun 20 - 07:40 PM

Trump is trying to cover his ass with a tissue of "executive order" that is meaningless. His orders can only apply to federal officials or agencies, and his suggestions are half-baked. His followers are getting exactly what they want.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 20 - 04:42 PM

Mitch McConolL says of the House bill that legislates against red lining, no chokeholds and institutional racism, "WE WILL HAVE NONE OF THAT !"

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 20 - 03:05 PM

A Presidential order today to reform the police makes no mention of race in word or concept.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 04:47 PM

My fav cartoon is of a ufo saucer jerkily bouncing off the road, trees,   and roofs.
captioned: Nooo Release the clutch s-l-o-w-l-y
off topic

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 02:58 PM

Cartoon in "Punch", c. 1975, showed two American policemen, armed with handguns (one of which was smoking) and arguing over a body in the gutter:
"That's not fair; it was my turn to over-react."
Not off-topic.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 01:55 PM

There are policemen who have anger problems and will kill with impunity when provoked. There are even people who seek to become police so that they can become legal serial killers. I've mentioned it before but I knew a former DC cop, psychopath and serial killer of young black men/children. He loved to intimidate by retelling his murders by mentioning the sounds his victims would make.

Yes there is cultural allowance and protection for killers in the PD but there is also the mentally abhorently ill. The cop I knew was kicked off the force after 3 murders as his only punishment.
(3 'known' murders)

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 12:52 PM

More hope with a slapdown of trump and his bible thumping constituents as the high court upholds LGBTQ rights under the law-

CNN

Off topic but so what.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 11:45 AM

I am having high hopes here.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 11:00 AM

Johnson has been forced into launching an enquiry into racial inequality in Britain
A start
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 10:27 AM

"Rayshard Brooks was shot twice in the back, according to a release by the Fulton County, Georgia, Medical Examiner's Office.

Brooks died from organ damage and blood loss from the two gunshot wounds, according to the office.
The autopsy, performed on Sunday, lists Brooks' cause of death as gunshot wounds to the back. The manner of death is listed as homicide.'

From CNN

Now, we wait to see if charges are filed.
Guilty of not driving drunk. Or being a pain in the ass in a parking lot. It was Bart Simson sort of stuff that, in no way, should have ended in someone's death. Opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 10:14 AM

Things seemed to be going along peacefully in that Wendy's parking lot in Atlanta until the cops tried to cuff Rayshard Brooks, to a black man in Georgia, or anywhere else in the U.S. these days, that act may have seemed like a death sentence on it's own.
The Fulton County D.A. has the officer crying out "I got him" after the shooting which pretty much negates any self-defense plea.

dailymail.co.uk

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 12:20 PM

Police officers in Georgia have killed another African American man, and residents in California question the death—suicide or murder—of a young man found hanging in a tree (hanged himself or drugged and lynched).

The man in Georgia, Rayshard Brooks, fought arrest and tried to flee. That shouldn't result in a death penalty. The man in California, Robert Fuller, was swiftly declared a suicide by officials, but toxicology tests may offer a different answer.

It feels safe to say that a broad swath of America, still in the confines of COVID-19 lock down on Memorial Day, was paying attention and awoke to the crisis of police officers murdering black men with impunity when George Floyd was murdered. They awoke to the fact that the punishment doesn't fit the perceived "crime" - it isn't about allegedly having a counterfeit $20 bill, or falling asleep in a drive-through line, it's about walking or driving while Black.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 11:50 AM

Geesh, don't stop at your coat, get your luggage and passport as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 11:41 AM

If you have a black liver, it matters. Death is on the way.
But I'm not worried since I've been Faucinated. Thats where Dr. Fauci spits on his hand and shakes yours.
Its Trumps birthday and he wants a massacre at his Tulsa Rally. He would love to have 72 lives blown out, one for each year old

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 01:16 PM

We took Traveller MIkeen McCarthy to see the Cutty Sark one evening when we were recording hem
He gazed down at the keel of the ship in the dock and said, "Jeez, that copper's worth a fortune"
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 11:58 AM

Apart from any debatable historic and sentimental value,
what's an average statue worth as scrap metal...???

Some in the UK have been stolen by criminal scrap salvage gangs,
but, obviously not as many as we'd like to see gone...

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 11:35 AM

Jim I wouldn't expect you to ever be happy. You know too much.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 10:37 AM

"up to the governments and citizens to decide. "
Aye - there's the rub
What if the Government want to keep them and the citizens think they should go ?
Not sure I wouldn't be happy to keep the statues if the government went
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 10:20 AM

There is a wealthy collector in the North Dallas enclave of Highland Park who intentionally grabs up these often rejected statues. History abounds inside Harlan Crow’s home - actually, inside and out, because many of them are too large for indoors. My university library has an organized "Friends of the Library" group that toured there a few years ago. Stalin is outside and is huge. Collecting Despots, Assassins And Such. Both of these are from the Dallas Morning News, so there may be a paywall if you try to view more than just a couple of articles. Here's a Google search on images of his museum's statues.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 09:01 AM

The reenactment of what happened on June 19th in TULSA OKLAHOMA is in the beggining of the movie 'Watchman'. A massacre of over 300 innocent black people by the KKK and others took place.
Come June 20th bodies laid in the streets and homes.
They say Covid 19 isn't political but this time there is an air of revenge in the air.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 08:41 AM

There are living statues and dead statues.
Living statues are of people we know.
Dead statues are unknown or of great antiquity.

To display Hitler, Stalin or confederates and rebels is up to the governments and citizens to decide. To kill living statues is up to them.

For the Taliban to destroy dead statues of great antiquity serves no will of the people or religious political motive imo.

America has no dead statues. That losers of the civil war had so many statues was to placate the people who suffered the loss at that time.
We don't have those people alive anymore except for the few who still want slavery.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Lives Matter - change on the way?
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 08:35 AM

Twit has moved his Tulsa rally to the 20th due to public outcry at the original Juneteenth date while Oklahoma is having a surge of COVID19 cases.
OKLA has largest single day number of COVID19 cases

They're going to pack in as many rednecks, sans masks no doubt, as they can but it's okay, because they have to agree not to sue trump or the venue if they get the virus.
btw, twit compared his advocacy for African Americans to that of Lincoln yesterday in a Fox News interview and Honest Abe came in second.