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Apache recorded 60 years ago!

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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Captain Swing
Date: 05 Jul 20 - 06:27 PM

Anyone remember this version?

Apache Dropout - Edgar Broughton Band

I'll get me coat!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Jul 20 - 05:42 PM

I've been trying to remember 60s groups whose guitarists used a DeArmond volume/tone pedal the ones that came to mind were The Hunters, Neil Christian & the Crusaders (Jimmy Page) and Tony Rivers & the Casterways.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Jun 20 - 03:21 PM

For a few months in the early 80s when I was a student,
my landlady was the ex-wife of one of Cliff Richard's live tour bass players..

I sneaked a look at his bass guitars once,
when he left them in the house overnight.
Amazing top quality session musician's instruments...

One of them might have been the bass guitar,
he played on the recording session of the theme for Postman Pat...


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: fat B****rd
Date: 30 Jun 20 - 03:05 PM

And in keeping with the 'sort of' Shadows theme Mr. Rivers sang back up with Cliff Richard for many years. And he's from Shildon.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jun 20 - 01:51 PM

Who remembers Tony Rivers & the Castaways - absolutely brilliant band!!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 02:44 PM

thats 30


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 01:09 PM

Over the years I've had my 'Joe Meek Produced' bands and solo artists phases..

I'm the only person I know who likes Heinz Burt...


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 12:52 PM

Or how it's performed!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 12:45 PM

btw.. I'm not having a dig at any of my mudcat folkie mates,
WE enjoy good music, irrespective of genre or vintage...


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 12:22 PM

Mods - sorry, i couldn't resist...

Maybe I should start a new thread

"So, how many self-identifying folkies actually enjoy music...???"


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 12:05 PM

Meanwhile, early 1960s pop and beat music still inspires far more serious musicians
than even the good acoustic folk music ever will...


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 06:06 AM

Trad Jazz night was Tuesdays for Barnet Jazz Club there - deafening banjo pumping trad !!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Banjo flower
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 05:50 AM

Try going to the Mother of all Bullsh*t thread then


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Banjo flower
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 05:30 AM

There was always loads of folks there Dave


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 03:29 AM

But was it a folk club? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jun 20 - 01:53 AM

It was the Union Hall in Barnet that housed band nights, where I first saw Sutch and others, not the Assembly Hall, which must have been somewhere else.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 09:31 PM

There is indeed, Gerry! Terry Sampson used to run Saturday night dances at all three venues - all the top bands.

I’ll wait for an email about the Malt Shovel sessions - Sunday’s not a great night for me but it would be good to get out and have a play/sing.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Banjo flower
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 05:59 PM

You've got me baffled now BWM "the one in between? Is there a drill hall in Gainsborough?
Don't know whats happening with the Malt Shovel session at the moment but it would be great to see you again
Gerry


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 04:53 PM

Neither! The one between those two.

I saw the Rolling Stones at Lincoln Drill Hall on New Year’s Eve, 1963 - stood front row dead centre, Jagger strutted his stuff about six feet in front of me. And I played in the support band for the Big Three there around that time. Never played Scunny Drill Hall, but I’ve played at The Baths Hall a few times, as well as the Café Dansante in Cleethorpes, and pretty much every club in Grimsby!

It’s been a grand life!

I’ll try to get to the Malt Shovel again when things are back to normal...


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Banjo flower
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 04:33 PM

Just googled Cafe Dansant Cleethorpes
Can't remember it but went to quite a few festivals and events at the Winter Gardens over the years

Bwm did you mean the Drill hall Scunthorpe or the Drill Hall Lincoln?


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 10:02 AM

Neil Christian & the Crusaders was another band on the same circuit as Sutch, which often included ex Savages or musicians who became Savages at one time or another. The only time I saw them had Jimmy Page on guitar!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 09:42 AM

Ah yes, I remember seeing Cyril Davies in London but his Savages line up had been changed, I think they fell out with him. Andy Wren was on piano when I saw the first Blackmore line up.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 09:19 AM

I saw Sutch at The Café Dansant, Cleethorpes in 1962. Bernie 'Strawberry' Watson on guitar, Carlo Little on drums, Ricky Fenson on bass and Nicky Hopkins on piano. As a curtain operator I was at the side of the stage as Lord Sutch came off wearing a pair of false breasts (him, not me) I bumped into him and accidentally cracked his costume "you'll ruin all the bladdy gear!" he said. The next time he came he must have forgotten as he was quite friendly. This time he had a whole new band as the original Savages had gone off to play with Cyril Davies.
Happy days.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 09:07 AM

I still have Sutch's first 6 singles. I first saw Sutch in September 1962 in I think The Assembly Hall in Barnet, with what I consider to be the best line up of the Savages which included a scrawny shy 17 year old Ritchie Blackmore on guitar. The following year The Savages included Geoff Mew on guitar and Freddie Fingers Lee on piano in the Territorial Army Hall in Barnet, a huge cavern of a place. By the next time I saw Sutch he had recruited most of Paul Dean & the Dreamers as Savages with original bass player Rick Brown - they were a good line up. Next was the 4 saxes Savages with Ritchie Blackmore once again who I saw at a cinema in Potters Bar, I never thought Sutch came over too well in a large venue. Final time in 60s was at a club in East London as Lord Caesar Sutch & the Roman Empire, Ritchie Blackmore had just left unfortunately and his replacement on guitar was not up to standard.

Never saw him again until early 1980s with Glen Stoner on guitar who was good but the others were forgettable.

Only Sutch could get away with performing on stage with a lavatory seat around his neck!!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 06:20 AM

Saw them a few times at the Drill Hall, BF. Back in the days when he was carried on to the stage in a coffin.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Banjo flower
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 06:08 AM

One of the best live acts back then was Screaming Lord Sutch and the Savages but you had to see them live what a fantastic showman he was


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 06:07 AM

Did he play on anything else memorable?


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 06:05 AM

I love "Move It" especially the guitar of Ernie Shear.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 04:47 AM

Fantastic! I played a couple of gigs with a rockabilly band in the 1980s but I was told off for bending strings - not something you stop doing easily!!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 05:20 PM

Good man!

My last electric band, which I was in from 1997 to 2005, played nothing but R&R from the years 1957 to 1961. We had the Teddy-Boy suits with drape-coats, bootlace ties, brothel-creepers, the lot. The only thing I didn’t have was the quiff and the DA (insufficient raw material!).

‘Move It’ was on the set list for every gig.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 04:50 PM

BWM - I could just have easily called myself prebeatlesbritrocknrollfolkrocker..

I have a seriously extensive CD collection..

It's addictive...!!!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 04:06 PM

Here ya go... ignore the naff video, it’s got sod all to do with the recording.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 03:58 PM

Try ‘Apron Strings’ pfr - another great rocker.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 03:56 PM

Rossey - sorry, I didn't check back well enough to make sure I wasn't duplicating another post..

I first heard the Cliff live in the studio LP with Move it around 1980,
when I was coming out of punk/ new wave,
and looking back on Brit rock history..

I immediately though it was surprisingly excellent, and needed to rethink my ingrained prejudice
regarding Cliff the smarmy born again god botherer...

The movie "Expresso Bongo" definitely helps...


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Rossey
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 03:29 PM

Hi Punkfolkrocker.. I posted the sloppy 1961 performance a couple of threads above as well. It was just Cliff playing in a spoof.. dropping notes etc. It was all live so no doubt he was a bit nervous. Proof that not everybody can play it well. A shame that Hank never got the honour of being the original guitar player on 'Move It'. No matter what we think of Cliff's later singing work and acquired cheesy image, that is one of the all time seminal British rock n'roll singles. The Beatles did a sloppy version of 'Move it' during the 'Let it Be' Sessions (where almost everything was sloppy!). The Beatles also threw in Apache during their long sets in Hamburg days c1960. (even if they were at times dismissive of the Shadows).


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 02:41 PM

GUEST POST, 12 20 was not me check the computer ips

    That may be correct, but you logged out and posted an anonymous troll message above - and I caught it and marked you as the sender. This is it. If you and Mr. Carroll cannot stop trolling threads at Mudcat, we will stop you. We don't want your complaints and excuses and threats any more. We are done with this. If you want to continue posting at Mudcat, then join in the discussion in a civil manner. Other people are having a good time, and you two keep dumping garbage on us. Stop it. Now.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 01:53 PM

That's classic!!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 01:33 PM

Bonz - apologies if this clip has already been posted here..

The Shadows "Apache" live 1961, complete with sloppy lead guitar bum notes..

Hank wasn't himself on that performance, that's for sure...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbYXqPIqHsE


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 01:08 PM

Aha it's disappeared!!

Hank plays gypsy jazz finger busting solo!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 01:05 PM

Gone. And still watching, Dick.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 20 - 01:00 PM

That guest at 12:20pm is Dick Miles again talking drivel on something he knows nothing about.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,bernieandred
Date: 26 Jun 20 - 11:38 PM

There's a great podcast called A History of Rock Music in 500 songs. This weeks episode is about Apache. Very good with lots of details you may not know.
If you're interested in the tune and not a bunch of off-topic squabbling, give the podcast a listen. https://www.500songs.com/


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Jun 20 - 03:28 PM

More than one player here has said that Apache proved hard to play. I can believe it. Is it that do do-du do do-du do do-du DUH part in the middle? I've been trying it on air guitar, and it takes real finger independence.


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Jun 20 - 06:25 PM

Quite heavy for that time!


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jun 20 - 02:17 PM

The Shadows Shadoogie ( live at the ABC Kingston 1962 )


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jun 20 - 01:54 PM

I bought a CD earlier this century of Cliff and the Shads live at the ABC..

It was intended for release back in the early 60s,
but shelved at the last moment for 'technical reasons'..

Maybe the Shads were a bit too rockin' and maybe distorted their amps ever so slightly too much
for early 60s EMI sound engineers..

I thought it was a good live album...

But eventually forgot I had it, or which box it is in,
and have not listened to it for too many years...


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Rossey
Date: 25 Jun 20 - 01:49 PM

Sorry the link didn't work! Cliff being a Shadow.. not totally successful, but nerves no doubt played a part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbYXqPIqHsE


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Rossey
Date: 25 Jun 20 - 01:45 PM

Guest, did say that Hank Marvin stuck with one sound.. this is actually not quite true. Though we have the stereotype signature sound of the Shadows.. they actually introduced one of the first acoustic guitar pieces of its type into the high ends of the UK charts with the simple, but effective 'Guitar Tango'.. and also later used various guitar effects with less success, before moving back into the more MOR market with covers using the old sound.   This is Cliff playing Apache live with three of the Shadows in a spoof... (slightly nervously, with stumbles and dropped notes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbYXqPIqHsE


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jun 20 - 11:47 AM

..and their tamer reverb drenched surf version back in the 60s...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7KkYSFCpJs


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Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jun 20 - 11:44 AM

I dictated "happily" but google voice input was obviously vibing too much on the flower power sunshine groove
and decided it was a "Happening"..

fair enough...


ahem...

DAVIE ALLAN + THE ARROWS - "APACHE '65"

still rockin' live in 2009...


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