Origins: Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally /Jaunting Car

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: (To) Pad the Road (With Me)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 25 May 21 - 07:47 PM

Andy M. Stewart – Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally -- lyrics

https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/andy_m_stewart/haud_your_tongue_dear_sally.html

https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/andy_m_stewart/haud_your_tongue_dear_sally.html

Subject: RE: ADD: Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 21 - 01:48 AM

# posted the message above in the "Pad the Road" thread, but I don't see the connection. Can anybody tell us about this disturbing song? Is it an Andy M. Stweard composition, or does it have earlier roots?

HAUD YOUR TONGUE DEAR SALLY
(trad, as sung by Andy M. Stewart)

"Oh, hold your tongue, dear Sally, as I gang tae the town
And I'll buy for you a jaunting car and a braw white muslin gown
I'll buy for you a jaunting car and a braw white muslin gown
And likewise a bonnie wee lap dog tae follow your jaunting car"

"Oh, the de'il gang wi' your lap dog, you jaunting cars and all
For I'd rather hae a young man tae row me fae the wall
Oh I'd rather hae a young man wi' no a penny at all
Before that I'd hae an old man tae row me fae the wall

"For your pipes they're never in order, your chanter's no in tune
And I wish that the devil would hae you and put a young man intae your room
I wish that the devil would hae you and put a young man intae your room
For I'd rather have a young man wi' no penny at all"

And now the old man's dead and gone, but he's left her a gey fee
He's left tae her ten thousand pounds and all of his lands sae free
He's left tae her ten thousand pounds and all of his lands sae free
And likewise a bonnie wee lap dog tae follow her jaunting car

Oh and now she's gotten her young man wi' no a penny at all
Aye now she's gotten her young man tae row her fae the wall
But he's smashed her china cups and saucers; aye he's gone and broke them all
And he's killed her bonnie wee lap dog that followed her jaunting car


https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/andy_m_stewart/haud_your_tongue_dear_sally.html

Andy M. Stewart recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-LulT22qrw

The melody sounds very much like "Tramps and Hawkers," Peter Emberley, Lakes of Pontchartrain, etc.

Subject: RE: ADD: Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 21 - 01:52 AM

The Traditional Ballad Index says it's traditional:

Sally's Love for a Young Husband

DESCRIPTION: The singer complains that her parents married her to a rich old man. She would prefer a "young man without a penny." When her old man dies she marries a young man who rolls her from the wall but kills her dog and breaks her china
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: before 1813 (broadside, Bodleian Harding B 25(955))
LONG DESCRIPTION: Although the singer would rather have a young man, she or her parents apparently find a marriage to the old suitor convenient when he offers Sally such things as a "jaunting car," muslin gowns, china or a lap dog. When her old man dies she marries a young man who rolls her from the wall but kills her lap dog and breaks her china.
KEYWORDS: age marriage sex money dog wife youth bargaining bequest husband youth
FOUND IN: Britain(England(North),Scotland(Aber))
REFERENCES (3 citations):
Greig/Duncan7 1362, "To Row Me frae the Wa" (2 texts)
Porter/Gower-Jeannie-Robertson-EmergentSingerTransformativeVoice #43, pp. 190-192, "O Haud Your Tongue, Dear Sally" (1 text, 1 tune)
Palmer-EnglishCountrySongbook, #99, "Oh, It Was My Cruel Parents" (1 text, 1 tune)
Roud #2897
BROADSIDES:
Bodleian, Harding B 25(955), "The Jaunting Cur" ("I have often heard of an old man"), J. Evans (London), 1780-1812; also Firth c.20(74)[some words illegible], Harding B 25(954), "The Jaunting Car"; Harding B 25(953), "The Jaunting Carr" or "Sally's Love for a Young Husband"
NOTES [284 words]: Among the identifying lines you may find in a version are: "It was my cruel parents, that first did me trepan" -- an apparent mangling of .".. as you may understand"; the title line that "I'll buy for you a lap-dog To follow your jaunting car"; and the complaint about an old man that "his pipes are out of order And his chanter ne'er in tune."
[The "trepan/trapan" line may be original -- one of the meanings of "trepan" is a trick. So the parents might have tricked the girl. However, this is a rare usage. - RBW]
The title of the earliest Bodleian broadside, "The Jaunting Cur," appears not to be a misprint. When the old man offers to buy her "a little lap-dog To follow you to the fair," she says "I do not value your lap-dog Nor you, you jaunting cur." The answer in later broadside becomes "To the Devil with your Lapdog, Your jauunting car also." In Greig/Duncan7 he buys her the dog and car but her young husband "killed my little wee lap dog and broke my jaunting car."
Greig/Duncan7 1362A tells the essential story. The broadsides may end with the singer's complaint about an old man (Bodleian Harding B 25(955) and Firth c.20(74)), or when she takes a young lover (Bodleian Harding B 25(953)), or with her old man's death and her marriage to a young man, or with her dissatisfaction, after all, with the young man she married (Bodleian Harding B 25(954)). The advice in the Greig/Duncan7 text is "Far better to be an auld man's pet with servants at my call For you can easily hire a young man to roll you from the wall." This solution to the problem is also in "The Whirley Wha." - BS
As Porter and Gower note, the song may have journeyed from Scotland to Ireland and then back (p. 192). - DGE
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Subject: ADD Version: To Row Me Frae the Wa
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 21 - 02:23 AM

Greig-Duncan 1362 A

TO ROW ME FRAE THE WA
To Roll Me From the Wall

My parents treated me cruelly as you may understand
They made me marry an old man for his riches and his land
But I’d rather marry a young man without a penny at all
For he could take me in his arms and he’d roll me from the wall.

At night when my old man comes to bed he’s as cold as any stone
His pipes are out of order and his gent is never in tune
I wish that death would seize him and take him at his call
And I’d easily get a young man to roll me from the wall.

Now my old man he’s dead and gone and his riches to me he’s left them all
Five thousand guineas bright and glittering without his houses and his lan
And it’s now I’ve got a young man for to roll me from the wall.

After the honeymoon was over he began to loose his charms
He’s killed my little dog that followed my jaunting car
And he’s broken all my china ware he’s broken and smashed it all
So I think I’m paying dear for a young man to roll me from the wall.

Come all ye young fair maids a warning take from me
To never marry a young man except he has the fee
Far better to be an auld man’s pet with servants at my call
For you can easily hire a young man to roll you from the wall.


Singer Miss ANNIE SHIRER — collected by Greig

#1362, page 156 in Volume 7 of the Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection

Subject: ADD Version: To Row Me Frae the Wa
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 21 - 02:29 AM

Greig-Duncan 1362 B

TO ROW ME FRAE THE WA

1. I wish that my auld man were dead and a young man in his room.

2.Oh hold your tongue pretty Nancy till I gae to the toon
I’ll buy to you some china dishes likewise a satin gown.
There’s nae a lady in a’ the land wi’ you that shall compare
I’ll buy a little wee lap dog to follow your jaunting car.

3. The devel gae wi’ your lap dog yer jaunting car likewise
For a’ that I want is a young man wi’ twa black rolling eyes
Wi’ twa black rolling eyes and without a penny ava
That will tak me in his arms and row me frae the wa.

4. Before six months had come and gone then he began to waur
He killed my little wee lap dog and broke my jaunting car
And he has broke my china dishes my . . . . . . and a’
And surely I’ve repented my rowin frae the wa’.


Singer - Miss BELL ROBERTSON — Collected by Greig


#1362, page 156 in Volume 7 of the Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection

Subject: RE: Origins: Haud Your Tongue Dear Sally /Jaunting Car
From: GUEST,#
Date: 02 Jun 21 - 10:42 AM

I have no idea why I posted that link. My apologies.

The melody also shares similarities with "Roddy McCorley".