BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 08:46 PM

I left out defenestrate but I didn't forget.
My advice to Donald is 'dehumanize not lest you be dehumanized'

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 08:02 PM

GOP has formally won control of the House of Representatives starting in 2023. The current congress is going to have to race to get some big things done to take ammo out of the hands of those who would bludgeon the nation to get their way.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 01:38 PM

The case against him by the January 6 Committee is that he said many times to people around him at the White House that he knew Biden had won. His motivation to perpetuating the lie goes to motive behind the insurrection.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 01:18 PM

Sandra, if I revealed my secret ex-librarian powers I'd have to ...

Nope, I copied a phrase you wrote and added Doonesbury to the beginning and Googled it:

Doonesbury Trump can't become President again as he has already been elected twice


MaJoC, I think that instead of "if he says it often enough, he'll start to believe it himself", it's more likely to be "the voters will believe it" because I think he believes everything he says about himself, at the time that he says it, even if he contradicts himself a couple of minutes later.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 08:03 AM

.... that gives the victim time to repent, but not to do anything about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 08:02 AM

> Arrest, poison or shoot all your opponents.

You left out "defenestrate", Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 07:46 AM

thanks, helen

I've been reading Doonesbury every day for decades. I've been collecting cartoons for even longer, & often screenshot them & have lots of doonesbury cartoons. Some of my zillions of cartoon are on my desktop, others filed under pictures, all captioned, but I couldn't find it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 07:25 AM

In politics and mind manipulation it is said until you say the same thing 500 times you haven't said anything at all. Denialism of elections has lost its edge and is dulled by the capital and family attacks among non-fanatics. The investigations only helped shape the minds of the left.
Denialism started up back during the W Bush election that Bush in reality lost. Bush's lawyers successfully blocked the initial count in Florida. The Supreme Court aided the sham.
Denialism is now over used and abused in America.

The Putin method is to win elections by the people who count votes, not the people who vote. Arrest, poison or shoot all your opponents.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 05:36 AM

as a cartoonist put it sometime earlier this year (or was it last year?), he can't become President again as he has already been elected twice ...
It was a Doonesbury cartoon, but I can't find it

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 02:45 AM

The thing is he reckons he did not lose last time. Maybe he genuinely believes that it is not possible for him to lose and therefore the system must be corrupt. When he loses again, he will still not believe it. Having a spoiled child in charge of the biggest superpower in the world is a very dangerous concept and I still cannot understand why so many people support him. Mind you, I don't understand why we in the UK voted to leave the EU. Politics seems to have become one big reality TV show :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 10:23 PM

As a champion of women everywhere, the lord of truth, justice and the American way of sharing similar hatreds, he stands a liars chance of losing again. A rational con man does not try the same con twice but runs a new con.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 10:08 PM

Two things: I'm praying to all the gods that he doesn't get to be the nominee, and a political analyst I saw on a TV show in Oz said that given Trump's personality, he wouldn't cope with being called a loser twice. Here's hoping he has to face that scenario, and that it is caught on camera.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 09:50 PM

The climate has shifted. I wasn't watching but I see on the news that Trump declared he is a candidate. He is hoping to prevent prosecutions by becoming a candidate two years before the election. Not. Gonna. Work.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 08:38 PM

So Trump's election deniers got their arses kicked all over the place and the Republicans failed to bag the Senate. And now Murdoch has almost certainly ditched him (we know on this side of the pond that Murdoch hates backing losers). All told, I can't see Trump back in the White House...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 11:15 AM

Darn.

The orange one is apparently going to make a really big announcement from Maralago tonight. Most say that despite the hits during the last campaign he's going to announce another presidential run. That doesn't mean he gets to be the nominee.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 11:09 AM

Mary Trump has lost her lawsuit against her uncle,
the lawsuit that was related to a 2001 settlement
in the wake of her father's death earlier.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 10:18 AM

There are still uncalled races. Nail-biters.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 06:17 AM

The election has made the Senate Democrat and the House barely R.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Nov 22 - 04:09 AM

I always imagined California was Democrat. Dunno why. Glad I was right though:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 09:53 PM

This is Pense getting angry? Pense's pregnant pause

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 09:18 PM

Arizona has turned in more results - the Democrat Katie Hobbs is projected to be the winner in the Governor's race. And in California the great explainer Katie Porter from the House of Representatives has won her race.

Mary Trump was interviewed, and she figures that if the GOP tries to cast The Donald out he'll burn their house down. I can't find the video that was making the rounds a few hours ago, she was interviewed but I couldn't tell who was doing the questioning to go to the source (it came through my Instagram feed.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 11:37 AM

I wasn't so much focusing on the result itself, any "how to do it," as his lack of interest in assisting the accomplishment. Stormy Daniels has given as much information as anyone, and she was underwhelmed.

Meanwhile, cataloging the troubles that Trump is facing, his VP Pence was interviewed recently. Pence: Trump ‘decided to be part of the problem’ on Jan. 6

Former Vice President Mike Pence said in a new interview that former President Trump’s tweet during the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot attacking Pence was “reckless.”

“It angered me,” Pence told ABC’s David Muir. “But I turned to my daughter who was standing nearby, and I said, ‘It doesn’t take courage to break the law, it takes courage to uphold the law.’ ”

“And the president’s words were reckless. It’s clear he decided to be part of the problem,” Pence added.

Pence’s remark came after Muir read Trump’s 2:24 p.m. tweet on Jan. 6 as rioters were storming the Capitol, with some threatening Pence. The tweet began, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 11:35 AM

Last Saturday Bill Mahre presented a mystery that has developed since Trump's Inauguration. Virtually everything has come out regarding every detail of DJT's life in hundreds of books, articles, witnesses, documents, and video. However, not one fact has been established regarding the question of who is giving Donald sex of any kind.
Melania will not even hold his hand so we're pretty sure it's not her.
Who if anyone is giving Trump a blowjob? Stormy Daniels was a one-time thing as many years ago as Baron is old.

All indications are that the pump is broken and, if the pump can be primed, he does it himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 11:12 AM

The book Trump never read.

"Explore the delicacies of a woman's orgasm"

Great book title. Chapter 1 excerpt;
"The orgasm at a tender age is physically explosive and visually eye-popping but as time goes on the event is less visual and more of a release of pent up heat in moaning pleasure. Of course different means to induce it will vary results such as the anticipatory sycopated raga rhythm and the rapid electric vibration methods. Penile induced orgasm usually requires additional stimulation but the orgasm is qualitatively different in nature. Some penises bump into the womb and others slide past it which changes the quality of the orgasm. But above all orgasm is not just a physical response but is a mental process that can be fed erotic thoughts to additional delight."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 10:54 AM

> Her point was that somehow all of the journalists picked up the GOP
> talking points and went with them as if they were fact.

We see that phenomenon in the English papers too. It's usually put down to Following the Party Line; but I've a sneaking suspicion that lazy journalism has a role in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 10:16 AM

From the same article:

Still, no one disputes that Mr. Trump’s pathetic candidates helped turn Pennsylvania a much bluer shade of purple this cycle. For now at least, the state’s Democrats may be feeling more fondly toward the former president than many in his own party — and perhaps even his wife.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 10:13 AM

I honestly don't know how Melania can stand to be around the guy, let alone occasionally share a bed with him. I'm pretty certain he has never learned to explore the delicacies of a woman's orgasm - he's all about objectifying them and their ability to be receptacles. And now he's blaming her for choosing Oz - Even Melania Must Know Trump Blew It (an opinion piece in the New York Times).

Marriage is hard. Even the happiest couples will occasionally bicker, nitpick or wear on each other’s nerves. So consider just how bumpy things could get if someone’s thin-skinned, emotionally erratic, accountability-averse husband started criticizing her for his high-profile screw-ups.

This apparently has been happening at Mar-a-Lago, where, postelection, Donald Trump is flipping out over his key role in the Republicans’ face plant in the Pennsylvania Senate race. Mr. Trump backed his old buddy Mehmet Oz, and the celebrity doctor turned out to be a loser. The former president has since been shifting the blame for his poor pick onto everyone else — including Melania Trump, according to The Times. (Mr. Trump, of course, hopped on Truth Social to denounce the “Fake Story” and insist he “was not at all ANGRY.”) . . . . Of all the places where Mr. Trump proved toxic, Pennsylvania may be where he did the most impressive damage — a state that will be key to any winning Republican presidential contender in 2024. The Trumpian fiasco there shows what happens when candidates make the race all about themselves, embracing MAGA and being out of step with the electorate.

In the high-stakes fight for control of the Senate, Pennsylvania was a hot spot, widely considered the Democrats’ best opportunity to flip a Republican-held seat and, by extension, a must-hold for the G.O.P. Dr. Oz’s high-profile flop was a particularly painful one for Mr. Trump’s party. But there’s more: The Democrats scored a huge win in the governor’s race as well, where Josh Shapiro had the good fortune of running against Doug Mastriano, a Trump-endorsed MAGA extremist so unsettling you have to wonder if he is secretly related to Marjorie Taylor Greene. The Democrats also triumphed in House races, holding onto vulnerable seats, including the hotly contested 8th and 17th Districts. And while a couple of tight races have yet to be called, party leaders are thrilled about already netting 11 seats and being this close to possibly flipping the state House, putting Democrats in control of the chamber for the first time in more than a decade. All of this was a step up for them from 2020, when voters went for Joe Biden over Donald Trump but picked Republicans in some other statewide races.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 06:29 AM

At least for now the elections showed normal Americans are normal.
Deniers were denied. And the polls that shouted "a red wave is coming" turned out to be another political device that can be purchased.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Nov 22 - 02:06 AM

I think Donuel, theres a very dangerous precedent. The German leaders of industry thought they could harness the power in the knuckleheads and nutjobs of the Nazi party. The point is.... bad things can happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 07:34 PM

Reverend Al Sharpton has an MSNBC show on Sunday afternoons and at about 45 minutes after the hour he had a guest who made perfect sense, something I've been saying all along. Don't listen to the pundits, don't pay attention to the polls. They aren't talking to everyone to get their data.

Her point was that somehow all of the journalists picked up the GOP talking points and went with them as if they were fact. Good things voters pushed back and did what they needed to do - vote, and keep in mind who wanted to cheat and not elect them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 06:51 PM

Evil lunatics unite. You have nothing to lose but your minds.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 01:42 PM

Well its a thought. You think he's trying to capture the lunatic vote. I hadn't considered that.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 12:47 PM

A hint for the broad-minded:

Bad guys win by playing both sides. Good guys can do the same to control every outcome.

This is a really behind the scenes strategy. Is it lying and cheating?
yes but only if the intent is evil.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 12:23 PM

Last night on TV, a lady American politician of the Republican party suggested the Donald Trump was sent by God. Opposition to him was treasonous and deserved the death penalty. Just how crazy does this man and his followers have to be before the party of Abraham Lincoln and Dwight Eisenhower chuck him and them out?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 11:07 AM

The CIA plot is stuff for cartoons.
One more D Senator does give a tiny bit of leverage but a Manchin Bobert alliance can still exist.

'Corporation United' does need to go. You will have to lead the fight for women's independence.

We got rid of DDT and leaded gas but climate change dwarfs those toxic issues.
The future vision of a successful response to climate change after 60 years of ignoring it belongs to the Democrats.
Ignoring climate change for another 50 years belongs to Republicans.
Its the life party against the death policy. The future is only slightly uncertain because it is amazing how much we can ignore !!!
We are already ignoring the million deaths from US Covid. 3 degrees rise means billions of lives lost. We have to take a cold hard look. Is a billion or two deaths a good thing or a bad thing for the Earth.
Can we ever avoid the runaway effect?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 10:26 AM

Don't put that CIA stuff out there - no one needs that kind of stealthy activity (and CIA isn't supposed to be dealing in domestic issues anyway.)

I am hoping that there will be a political or legal occasion in the near future that contributes to a national Schadenfreude celebration regarding the failure and final downfall of Donald John Trump.

If there are 51 Democratic senators then the VP doesn't need to vote except in tie-breakers - this could cancel out a "NO" vote from either Manchin or Sinema, but not both of them. It might mean they could turn off the filibuster at least long enough to vote through the voting rights legislation they've worked on (and watered down for Manchin, who still wouldn't vote for it - he is a Democrat in name only).

The congress and Biden need to overturn the situation created with the Citizens United decision from the Supreme Court - the big and dark money needs to come out of politics. And there need to be national voting standards, even though states run their own elections. And finally, they need to codify women's rights as far as access to abortion services without the meddling of politicians and religious groups and anyone else who has no business in people's personal private business.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 09:45 AM

As an irrelevant wounded animal, Trump will try to escalate his nonsense in his sphere to ruin his competitors and burn down reputations with repetition in a shrinking social media. Trials ironically will make him feel relevant. It will be as riveting as watching the OJ Simpson slow-motion car chase. the bigger they are the harder...

On the far side...
I am disappointed that simple solutions by the CIA have not been employed - not assassination - but dosing him with psilocybin, especially before a rally. It would quickly cause him to lose his peculiar addiction and create new questions. ;*/ but even worse he may become sane?!

So we say goodbye in a not-too-fond farewell. Bye bye Donald, we are done with your insane incompetence. Hello Desantis and your takeover of the KKK Nazi SS fake news segment of psycho society.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 09:45 AM

Well done for keeping the senate out of right wing clutches. Seems like the House of Representatives may go Republican but I guess that without the predicted landslide majority they will not have the power they hoped for. The icing on the cake would be to see the orange one behind bars but, for now, kicking him in the bollocks is fine :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 04:41 AM

Maybe. But the best hope right now is that the party will increasingly see him as a ballot box liability, especially after these "disappointing" results with his acolytes doing much worse than expected. Anyway, whichever way you find of keeping him off the ticket, you have a big next problem down there in Florida.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 22 - 12:14 AM

Trump is becoming more irrelevant every day. But he still needs to stand trial, several times over.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 05:26 PM

It might mean don't screw things up by deleting stuff.... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 03:41 PM

The three threads below this just had palindromic post counts!

BS: Brexit & other UK political topics        4334*
BS: Signs of Autumn        313*
MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]        3223*

It must mean something :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 02:16 PM

Table top Gnomes https://www.4seasonhome.com/products/garden-drunk-dwarfs-4pcs?spm=..collection_9baca251-4cd9-4eb2-85a8-b8c466fc103a.collection_d

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 02:05 PM

You won by intent.

Trump will not be able to succeed without the Murdoch empire support, which is no longer forthcoming!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 01:44 PM

Damn you Donuel!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 01:44 PM

1800!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 01:43 PM

I shall have a cup of tea

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 01:30 PM

The thing about Trump which I tend to believe he is unconsciously aware of, is his endless sucking of all the air in the room, even when there is no longer a room.

Years ago he was criticized with his backing of the 'Obama not born in the U.S.' meme. Now that it no longer was popular not believable, he flipped it and took credit for settling the issue that Obama WAS born in the U.S. The chutzpah of that gave me a smile. Now, he specifically has taken credit for the election results which gave his support victory, but explicitly not where it didn't. Who else can get away with that, like, EVER?

Meanwhile, the real world still exists, and in MOST of that, Trump has given victory away from Republicans and probably made the Senate go Democratic.

While it seems a solid prediction that the House of Reps. will go majority Republican, it may be such a slim minority in such contentious circumstances that the Republicans will find a new way to collapse.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 12:48 PM

Several of the previous bickering posts have been deleted. You two need to get a room. Stop following each other around on threads.

The conversation on Lawrence O'Donnell's show on MSNBC last night centered on how the GOP is "finished with Trump." Not because they are tired of his hyperbole - they are simply tired of losing. There have been candidates on his coattails for the last six years, and not that many of them lost until this most recent Nov. 8 race, and each only lost once, so it would seem to be a collective loss this time they are mourning. Many of the people who ran as Trumpian candidates have never run for office before, so they can't say they have an experience of losing. Again, it is just this time. So they presumably would be as obstructionist and objectionable as before, but would break from Trump as a sponsor.

Trump opened the Pandora's box of racism and bad behavior, and his acolytes refuse to be muted, keeping their antisocial attitudes to themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 22 - 04:02 AM

I don't rely on just one or two sources, particularly newspaper ones or their online iterations. Please don't try to guess where I get my news. Stick to the Trump topic or go home. After all, for at least six or seven years he's been the obsessive love of your life (e.g., see joke threads), so it shouldn't be hard. Looks like we can be optimistic about the Senate this morning...