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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 06:57 AM I read BWM's link to the WSJ after I typed that. The trouble is that he's done a complete volte-face this morning in a tactical move to distance himself from the riot that he himself incited, typical of the man. That will play well for him in any future hearing and will make impeachment attempts look like opportunism on the part of his opponents - they've already screwed up once - and I should think that even reluctant Republicans might still stand behind him. What a mess. I think that a resignation would be out of character but I hope I'm wrong. He's a very bad man but to label him stupid would be naive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:02 AM "I just read elsewhere an unconfirmed report that one of the deceased rioters had tasered himself - allegedly in the face. Please Dog, let it be true!" A bit reminiscent of today's story about the burglar who sat on his phone during the burglary and accidentally rang 999. The police responded accordingly, went round to the location of the burglary and caught two blokes red-handed... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Backwoodsman Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:07 AM Double Karma! <3 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:11 AM Trump's political career is over after the events of Wed. and last week's phone call to Georgia, and his disgraceful non-response to the current pandemic, (4000 COVID deaths in the U.S. yesterday). In 2024 he'll be 78 and 4 more years into his obvious cognitive decline while the American electorate will become more diverse and younger in that time. His shortcomings as a kingmaker were also evident in the GOP failures in the Georgia runoffs. He may still have some juice and in some solid red districts but the majority of Republican candidates won't have much use for him, assuming he's still alive and out of jail. Chao and DeVos resigned on principle but if they had any real principles they'd stick around and vote to invoke the 25th. As it is they're just rats exiting a sinking ship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:12 AM I could see that the Proud Boys were standing by to ignite violence but I did not know they had printed civil war II and rebellion T shirts for their Jan. 6 attack. I expected something but not the armed trashing of the Capitol. A second person has died from their injuries after being bludgeoned by a fire extinguisher. He was a Capitol policeman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:13 AM Apparently, the burglar's phone call ran and ran, and the cops heard everything that was going on right up to the moment they arrived on the scene... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:15 AM It's fine to surmise that his political career may be over, but you don't need a political career to do a lot of damage, and don't forget the 70-odd million people who voted for him. They won't all simply evaporate in a flash. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Backwoodsman Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:25 AM Unlike me, Mrs Backwoodsperson isn’t given to profanity but, on watching the riots unfold on TV and hearing the lunatic statements being made by some of the rioters - “This is the start of the Second Civil War”, “America wasn’t founded on democracy, it was founded on violent insurrection”, yadda yadda - she turned to me and said “The US is fucked for the next ten years at least”. I think she has a point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:32 AM It will certainly take awhile for the stench of trump to fade. Josh Hawley bought himself a peck of trouble for supporting trump, the 2 largest newspapers in Missouri, his home state, have called for him to resign (the Kansas City Star declaring that he had blood on his hands after the events of Wed. afternoon) and Simon and Schuster cancelled his book deal. He's earned this, let's hope Cruz gets his just desserts as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 08 Jan 21 - 08:26 AM Have a vomit receptacle close at hand for this one- trump and family waiting to go onstage and foment mob violence-Queensland Times |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 08 Jan 21 - 09:00 AM I got the chronology wrong, the video was shot after these "American Patriots" had addressed the mob and were watching the events unfold together on TV. None of these "American Patriots" actually had the cojones to accompany the mob they loosed on the Captiol. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Jan 21 - 10:11 AM gillymore, thanks for posting that article Ive been following the current situation on 2 of Australia's largest news sites & hadn't seen it. According to Wikipedia Queensland Times is a small local paper (circulation under 15,000, 40km from the state capital) but it has that story. did you notice the article was posted under the heading CRIME? sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 08 Jan 21 - 10:28 AM That is entirely appropriate, a massive criminal investigation is being undertaken, arrests have been made and trump, his family and his sleazy henchmen may be facing sedition charges. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: punkfolkrocker Date: 08 Jan 21 - 10:45 AM On the idea of "Exile"... "Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp... In January 2018, US President Donald Trump signed an executive order to keep the detention camp open indefinitely." It would be good karma... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Backwoodsman Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:07 AM The Trumpites in January 2021 are certainly proving Samuel Johnson’s words in April 1775 about ‘Patriotism’ absolutely correct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 21 - 12:30 PM We should not give into the fear that impeaching, or any other means of removal, of Trump will give him more martyr or victim status to his crazy base. Either way he will go away. As a martyr or as a pathetic selfish enemy of the US. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 08 Jan 21 - 12:55 PM I can get behind that post, Donuel. Even if it won't yield a conviction congress has a constitutional duty to act and a moral one to put forth the message that no one is above the law. Right, BW, and the scoundrels have been doing a lot of flag-waving (i.e. ass-covering) on social media since Wednesday afternoon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: punkfolkrocker Date: 08 Jan 21 - 12:56 PM No point worrying about trump becoming a martyr, when so many of his dangerously deranged acolytes have already elevated him to the status of god and saviour... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 08 Jan 21 - 01:05 PM Early Wednesday morning, prior to the Capitol violence, I woke up to a live youtube of Rudy Giuliani claiming that the just completed Georgia elections had been fraudulent, and with him was a "Professor" Eastman who acted as if he had facts (he hadn't) as to how the voting machines were rigged. You can still find this on youtube but I have not heard it in the news feeds as the later news of the day swamped it out. Meanwhile Steven Colbert last night was pretty spot on. First was a report, presumably news-based, that the Turkish government had issued the kind of alert to their citizens in the U.S. that is usually given to Americans in third world countries. Then a mock shot of Kim Jong-Un telling his citizens to avoid the dangers of America. Colbert was taking the events seriously which you could see in his face, but the ridiculousness of the domestic antagonists was highlighted. "I got maced because I was in the Capitol for the revolution!" And now I hear that Trump says he will not attend the inauguration. History is being made, people! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 21 - 01:25 PM I'm dizzy with so much truth here. Lets getim, Impeachment will take away his ability to all campaign contributions,,,kick him in the wallet. -even if McConell sits on his hands and stalls, a new Comgress can proceed ex post facto. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: The Sandman Date: 08 Jan 21 - 01:30 PM He will not be impeached even though he deserves it, wait and see |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 01:51 PM I hate to keep saying it, but unless the impeachment process progresses to a Senate trial it would be no more than symbolic, and, crucially, wouldn't prevent him from standing again. You have 12 days and counting, which appears to mean that you haven't got much chance. He's played a very canny and very cynical game today. If it ever comes to a criminal trial, he now has all today's astonishing capers in his defence armoury. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 21 - 02:24 PM correction = Crucially, Impeachment WOULD prevent him from 'standing' again. Perhaps the ransacking of the capitol has not dawned on some people yet. Laptops were carried away as well as entire lecterns and documents. Somehow secret Democratic Senator offices were found on the third floor. I do not know the status of safes. Some one had a Mauraders map.:^/ or informant? The first target was the Senate chamber where the state ballots were. Unless they have a ID card magnetic code our laptops can not be opened. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: punkfolkrocker Date: 08 Jan 21 - 02:25 PM Can we at least hope for one of his own family getting too impatient to hear his will read.. Great advances have been made in the development of easily targeted hard to detect lethal nerve agents... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 08 Jan 21 - 02:26 PM I suspect he is practicing pardoning himself in a mirror. Which is the best the stable genious can manage at self reflection. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 21 - 02:29 PM Are these your own zingers? They're great |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 21 - 03:14 PM The Capitol police have few leads,the DMP have less, Homeland Security is stumped and the CIA NSA and MI are clueless so I'm going to call Lt. Joe Kenda Homicide Hunter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 08 Jan 21 - 03:27 PM Actually authorities are identifying a lot of the rioters from the crowing they've done on social media. Arrests to follow. Some of those Id'ed have lost their jobs. We're talking about some real "stable geniuses" here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: punkfolkrocker Date: 08 Jan 21 - 03:37 PM During the UK anti mask protests.. Organizers of the anti mask protests advised the mob to wear masks whilst protesting against wearing masks...????? Reasoning being to avoid identification by law enforcement... Your yank far right crazies are obviously a lot stupider than ours...!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: leeneia Date: 08 Jan 21 - 04:26 PM Let's keep in mind that what started out looking like a namby-pamby assembly has resulted in two killings, two pipe bombs, some Molotov cocktails and three deaths from unknown causes. One killing was the shooting of a woman breaking into the Speaker's Lobby, one killing was caused by striking a Capitol policemen in the head with a fire extinguisher. Trump and Hawley have blood on their hands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 08 Jan 21 - 04:47 PM pfr: I take pride in the craziness of our crazies versus your crazies. Your crazies wearing masks to protest having to wear masks shows a lack of appreciation of irony. Our crazies self identifying shows their fearlessness before the law. Or maybe a lack of appreciation of cause and effect. Some youngster is gonna get a Masters Degree writing this stuff up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 05:27 PM Sorry to have to keep blathering on in the face of obstinacy, but impeachment doesn't find anyone guilty of anything. It's what FOLLOWS the impeachment stage - the Senate trial - that can do that. And the whole impeachment process is generally used to try to remove someone from office, something that's happening imminently anyway. It is next to impossible for the process to advance to the Senate trial stage in Trump's case. There isn't time, and, even if there was, he could avoid it by resigning. If by some miracle the whole impeachment/Senate trial process can go the whole way, it could stop Trump from standing again in four years' time. Good luck with that. Otherwise, the impeachment would be symbolic and have no clout. The other alternative would be for a court to convict him of criminal offences and chuck him in jail. Wow, a martyr with 70 million supporters... I told you, he's a very bad man, but he isn't the fool you might take him to be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Jan 21 - 05:40 PM Steve, you will just have to wait and see like the rest of us. Yes, we know the stages of impeachment, we went through it last year, it's still fresh. Even though he wasn't found guilty by the cowardly GOP in the senate, he still was impeached. This next one will be down and dirty, but there is a lot riding on it - those folks who want to run for president in four years - well, if Trump is still in the mix, they probably won't be able to, and they're minding the main chance. Maybe they'll finally throw Trump under the bus. If he is removed from office he can't run again. That would be a huge sigh of relief for a lot of people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 05:48 PM He's either found guilty by a Senate trial (and the charges are - what??) or he's thrown in jail. Anything else you do, he can run again. Hope doesn't trump the facts, Maggie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Helen Date: 08 Jan 21 - 06:00 PM Maggie, I guess we just have to wait and see. I read in a news article this morning that a decision can also be made after a conviction on the impeachment on whether Trump can run again for president. It's a separate decision to the impeachment decision: "Impeachment in the House has to come first (via a simple majority). Then the Senate has to vote to convict (via a two-thirds majority). Then the Senate can decide to ban the president from running for office again (a separate vote to conviction, and also a two thirds majority). It has to happen in that order." ABC News Australia blog And I had a lovely image of that big yellow-haired Trump-baby balloon being thrown under a bus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 06:28 PM Well that's right. It seems that articles of impeachment could be brought before the House by the middle of next week. That could be voted on quickly, and the process could be then taken to a Senate trial. I have no idea how quickly these things can be expedited in the US - but you will have one week from the vote in the House. One week, and he's going after that, at the latest, anyway. You have three hurdles: the timeline, the fact that he could scupper the whole thing by resigning (a good bet, I should say, if he sees the runes agin him), and the almost unassailable probability that the impeachers will not get the supermajority in the Senate. Another thing: the last impeachment, if anything, made him even more popular. And he has those seventy million behind him who are instantly going to see him as a martyr if you do anything precipitate. As I keep saying, good luck. And Maggie, I seriously want to be dead wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 06:50 PM I note that Ms Pelosi would rather have Mike Pence invoke the 25th Amendment. Well that's very interesting. She's a politician to her boot heels. If she got her way, it would mean that a right-wIng Republican had taken ownership of the ridding of Trump. His supporters would not then be able to blame leftie/liberals/commies for his demise. So Pence won't do that. He may well have distanced himself from Trump to an extent, but he'll have an army of advisers telling him not to do that deed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:14 PM best- resignation good- 25th ammendment fair- ex post facto impeachment comnviction in new Democratic Senate. ( he will suffer financially most with this ) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:27 PM I don't know your constitutional nuances at all well, but I can't see there being much appetite, even if it were possible, for a "post facto" impeachment. And the Senate is hardly a massive Democratic Party bastion, is it, so a two-thirds supermajority to convict him is pie in the sky, frankly. If Pence invokes the 25th Amendment, I'll happily eat my hat. But if Trump sees the force to be not with him any more, he may resign. But you seriously don't think he wants to go without trace, do you. As I was saying to Maggie, days of hope can end in bitter tears. As I also said to Maggie, I desperately want to be as wrong as wrong can be. It's not just your country. It's the bloody planet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:44 PM Steve, if he is found guilty and removed from office Trump cannot run again. That's the reason for a second impeachment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Raggytash Date: 08 Jan 21 - 08:22 PM I read that Twitter have now blocked his account. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 21 - 08:24 PM There is even a second route for the 25th ammendment that has never been used that bypasses Pense entirely and uses 8 MD's and reprsentatives of each party up to 17 members. It would be titled as a commission and not the cabinate. Impeachment takes a minimum of 3 days. Rats are leaving the ship even Lyndsy Graham who is now being called Donald Trump's 'fluffer' here in town. ( A fluffer is—or at least is said to be—someone on a pornographic film set that keeps a male performer's penis erect in between scenes.) Hypocrites like Ted Cruz and others are in jeopardy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 08 Jan 21 - 08:31 PM You can't remove him from office if he's not in office by natural means any more after the 20th. Fine, if you can get on with it before then. But removing him from office can be done only in one of two ways, via the 25th Amendment or via by conviction by the Senate after impeachment. The latter will not happen, Maggie. Even if it looks to Trump like it might, he will circumvent it by resigning. Please Lord, let me be wrong. We'll be having a very different conversation in a couple of weeks, but, in the meantime, don't underestimate Trump's potential for twists, turns, lies and trickery. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: punkfolkrocker Date: 08 Jan 21 - 09:27 PM According to BBC news interview just before 2 am UK time.. There are serious concerns trump still has access to nuclear codes...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: punkfolkrocker Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:19 PM Yanks and Brits, this US/UK comparative video shouldn't be a total waste of 15 mins of your time... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIol-QKTW4c |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:44 PM General Milley has been consulted regarding those nuclear codes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:48 PM Reddit bans subreddit group "r/DonaldTrump"
Why it matters: While not an official group or page hosted by the president, it's one of the company's largest political communities dedicated to support for President Trump. What they're saying: "Reddit's site-wide policies prohibit content that promotes hate, or encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence against groups of people or individuals. In accordance with this, we have been proactively reaching out to moderators to remind them of our policies and to offer support or resources as needed," a spokesperson tells Axios. Meanwhile, more rats are leaving that sinking ship. Trump must be awfully lonely in the White House. Hopefully he heads out to Mar A Lago before someone tells him he'll get attention if he burns the place down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:54 PM And more: The big picture: It's the latest in a string of platforms to take action against Trump's accounts following the historic pro-Trump riot at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday. Twitch and Snapchat disabled Trump's accounts. Shopify took down two online stores affiliated with the president. Facebook and Instagram banned Trump from posting for at least the next two weeks, and faced calls to boot him permanently, including from former First Lady Michelle Obama and high-ranking Hill Democrats. Twitter froze Trump out of his account Wednesday before reinstating him Thursday once he deleted problematic tweets. [He kept it up so now he's permanently blocked.] YouTube says it's accelerating its enforcement of voter fraud claims against President Trump and others based on Wednesday's events. TikTok is removing content violations and redirecting hashtags like #stormthecapitol and #patriotparty to its community guidelines. |
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Subject: BS: name for trumps new social media From: The Sandman Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:25 AM Trump is threatening to start a rival social media channel to twitter , any suitable names for it? , perhaps Twatter, or Clap trap |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:38 AM pfr that was an interesting video. I don't know enough of the British Constitution (unwritten) to judge the speaker's veracity and of course I don't have a personal take on Boris Johnson other than John Oliver's, but I'm always fascinated by Democracy in Olde Englande. It did make me reflect on the fact that Donald Trump is probably in a state of terror right now. In less than two weeks he'll be stripped of his shell like a hermit crab yanked from its protection. He probably feels just that vulnerable. So he IS pretty dangerous right now. |