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BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Aug 21 - 09:00 PM Bugger, I meant Saigon, not Hanoi! :-( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Helen Date: 17 Aug 21 - 08:41 PM I think that tRump is dying a slow "death" in losing so much of his fan base on social media and losing some of his hold over his Republican mates. He's becoming yesterday's news, a paper tiger. That's worse than death for a sociopath: to be whimpering in the background while others are making a big noise in the spotlight. Yvonne Fair - It Should Have Been Me |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Aug 21 - 08:29 PM Unfortunately, you will learn only when Trump is your next president. It's the American way, demonstrated perfectly by Biden in the last few days. When things bite you on the arse, you realise, too late, that you got it wrong (and, even now, he valiantly refuses to admit it). The whole of the western world outside your country knows that Biden has suffered a calamity at least as bad as the exit from Hanoi. The trick is to see it coming and do a swerve. Joe hasn't learned that lesson. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 17 Aug 21 - 06:49 PM Biden has a higher approval rating than trump ever had. He had a victory on his infrastructure bill, Standard and Poors stock market has doubled since March 2020, Covid relief put $ in everyone's pocket, the child tax benefit is mailing $250 minimum per month to parents, shots in arms is over 60%, Afghan refugees will number fewer than Viet Nam, Japanese, and Korean restaurants. Afghan food is not that appealing... Rent moritorium has been extended but we have to settle the voting rights bill to win the next election convincingly. Overall the real real political determinate in the US is "Its the Pandemic stupid". 70-80% are vaccinated in battlground states. FL and TX are killing their own base with anti mask laws. They could go purple since people tend to protect their kids over republican blowhards. Trump has NO lock on the election and fewer inside instigators. Listen and learn Steve. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 17 Aug 21 - 06:05 PM Normally Steve protests a trump death wish. Natural causes are dangerous. Death should leave no room for conspiracy or Martyrdom such as being shot by Steve Bannon or the Pillow Guy on live TV |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Aug 21 - 06:03 PM Incidentally, wishing death or ill-health on people fits the definition of going low. Trump did so many bad things but somehow you can't nail him. Somehow, that's what you have to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Aug 21 - 05:55 PM Most of your countrymen and women haven't even got a modest understanding of history. Trump got 75 million votes last time out, more than any other loser ever. Be very afraid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Aug 21 - 05:50 PM Steve, anyone with even a modest understanding of history knows that Afghanistan was going to do this the moment the US left no matter who was president. Though fool Trump really set up the Afghans to fail because he was negotiating retreat with the Taliban when he was in office - he wasn't including the government in his negotiations so they had all the more reason to buckle. It does seem odd that Biden didn't change the players, he left Trump's plan in place, pushing it back a few months. (He has been busy with other things.) The biggest puzzle is why his people didn't insist on continuing to use Bagram instead of the Kabul airport (and why they didn't plan way ahead to get the Afghan families who aided the US out?) These issues would face anyone trying to wrap this up: there have been four presidents with this on their dance cards and it would have been best all around if Dubya hadn't been trying to one-up his father and started this whole Afghan and then Iraq period of aggression to begin with. As it happened, when Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch, it was in Pakistan. Go figure. I vote for aneurism for Trump - brain, aorta, whatever. Just to be gone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Charmion Date: 16 Aug 21 - 08:39 AM I keep hoping that tRump will come down with something quickly fatal, such as a massive cerebral haemorrhage. Anyone with the brains God gave a goose saw the fall of Kabul coming from the start, nearly 20 years ago. I vividly remember looking at my husband across the breakfast table and the newspapers; as he lifted his eyes, we said in chorus, "What could possibly go wrong?" Of course, both of us were raised on Kipling. During the 2020 campaign, Mr Biden stated that he did not expect to serve more than one term. Honestly, I can't see any likely successor coming up behind him, do you? By "likely successor", I do not mean tRump. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Aug 21 - 08:28 AM Which doesn't change the message. Either you get Trump behind bars or else he's your next president. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 16 Aug 21 - 08:19 AM Afghanistan stuffed Alexander the Great, Russian leaders, USA leaders and Christianity. Its like the Crusades. It was all foreseeable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Aug 21 - 08:13 AM The Afghanistan withdrawal fiasco has absolutely stuffed Joe Biden. You'd better hurry up and get Trump in jail, otherwise he'll be back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 16 Aug 21 - 07:01 AM Red, There is such an increase of nationalism (Brexit-Germany neo nazis-Hungary-America 1st-Poland) that hearing your cosmopolitan viewpoint is practically rare. Its like a bridge cracking prior to a collapse. Allegheny is a region like the Catskills and geologically part of the most ancient mountain chain on Earth, now worn down to a stub, that stretches all the way to Scotland. I grew up in those olde hills. The trump withdrawl from Afghanistan has become a titanic ship of state sinking and only the crew is rescued. However for 1,000's of years defeat is always inevitable for invaders. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Mr Red Date: 16 Aug 21 - 04:21 AM Mr. Red I had always assumed you were a Brit Yeeeeeees Donuel, But more importantly English, and there is a higher nationalism - I am a Staffordshireman. To tell the truth, the cartoon that is the GOP currently holds entertainment that allows me to larf at the screen. Trumpeters like M T-G & Matt Gaetz cannot be real - please tell me it is a game show. I do it in preference to following the minutia of our own philandering, turncoat strawhead, where I would be yelling at the TV and unable to relax the rest of the day. But I can claim 2% American, from my Grandparents & family, (inc mother) who lived in Braddock, Allegheny County, PA for several years covering WW1. As a side note my grandfather found in discussion with his steelmen colleagues - he was the only one to NOT sleep with a gun under his pillow! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 16 Aug 21 - 03:01 AM Although I am a fervent non-believer is conspiracy theories but the turnip's prediction that he would be back in the Whitehouse by August and the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan is one pretty big coincidence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 13 Aug 21 - 07:25 PM "From: Donuel - PM Date: 11 Aug 21 - 06:46 AM ... If we assume the insurrectionists are coming on the 18th but they show up a week early on Sept 11 th , imagine the embarrassment. Imagine the mixed crowd on the 20th anniversity of 9-11." Now its official Home Land Security has issued a terror alert for 9-11 for the various reasons I noted above. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 13 Aug 21 - 05:51 PM Dennis Montgomery - con man cyber ninja data source con man for Trump PBS greatest hoax in history |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 12 Aug 21 - 08:30 PM Cartoon of 'Red State Covid testing' -image of 6 people rubbing nasal swabs on Magic 8 balls.- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Aug 21 - 09:09 AM A Mr. Red reprise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-WVPkRBgQ I am of two minds. One I believe Trumpism is a real ongoing threat and Two I believe a socialogical pendulum will find a sensible balance again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Aug 21 - 06:46 AM Mr. Red I had always assumed you were a Brit. Thats the failure of my assumptions minus facts. If we assume the insurrectionists are coming on the 18th but they show up a week early on Sept 11 th , imagine the embarrassment. Imagine the mixed crowd on the 20th anniversity of 9-11. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Mr Red Date: 11 Aug 21 - 03:17 AM Charmion. It's a national failure, and we're spending more media on the Governor of New York being all touchy Paraphrasing Woody Allen - "Workplace sexual harassment - is a touchy subject" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 10 Aug 21 - 04:18 PM New York Times says Cuomo is resigning. Another news cycle.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Mr Red Date: 10 Aug 21 - 08:00 AM SAVE THE TRUMP ANTIVAXERS vaccinate them in their sleep. I saw a quote recently : "We are increasing the collective IQ, one anti-vaxxer at a time" BTW A guy by the name of Matt Braynard is telling the Trumpeters to return to the Capitol on Sept 18th - Video before 5:30 - inset clip |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 10 Aug 21 - 07:07 AM Charmion. It's a national failure, and we're spending more media on the Governor of New York being all touchy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Charmion Date: 09 Aug 21 - 09:03 PM Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the disastrous intervention in Afghanistan. Bush II started it, Obama reinforced failure in the most wasteful way available to him, Trump ignored it except when he felt like meddling and ended up under-cutting diplomats and military commanders alike, and now Biden is cutting the country’s losses while he can. Anybody would think Vietnam had been erased from the national memory. Incidentally, I note that Gitmo is still operating. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 07 Aug 21 - 10:31 PM Most of his irrationalities are walked back as being his brand of humor, usually on the caustic or vitriolic side. If you have an example we could judge for ourselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 07 Aug 21 - 07:49 PM I expressed my concerns regarding Trump getting elected or reelected and my friends expressed their concerns that his recent twits and comments have been irrational, particularly regarding the Olympics. Unfortunately his irrationality has been a popular plus for him among his adherents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 07 Aug 21 - 06:06 PM SAVE THE TRUMP ANTIVAXERS vaccinate them in their sleep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 07 Aug 21 - 01:53 PM The most recent Trump rump effect is the apparent U.S. abandonment of a secular Afghanistan. After 20 years, this is nothing less than the loss of the U.S.s longest war. I am not arguing that Trump lost the War. It could be interpreted that Trump recognized that the War was unwinnable or not worth the cost of winning, so he instituted negotiations with the Taliban. Which has been continued under the current Biden administration either because there is a certain momentum to the events, or because they in fact agree that after 100s of billions of dollars and hundreds of American lives and tens of thousands of Afghan lives, the situation is not going to change in direction. This is politically interesting because I think the Trumpistas will argue that the Democrats lost the war during the coming elections. And of course the world will take notice of the events as a sign of American further loss of world dominance. Which Trump didn't cause but definitely symbolized. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 06 Aug 21 - 08:59 AM I can answer that. A political appointee is considered to be a Schedule C. The schedule C appointees are only for the duration of the president who did the appointment. They are having a hard time finding jobs since they usually go back into think tanks like Heritage, Patrick Henry, and other repub sanctuaries. Right now those places aren't hiring like they used to. Bannon and Miller are the new sanctuaries. They can 'burrow in' by trying to get a job by applying for a Fed job with an agency. They have a right to apply but no rights to automatically be hired. The Post Office position you know about is not a schedule C. People hired by advise and consent of the Senate are not immune from being fired and replaced unless they are part of the judiciary like a Supream Court Judge. Former lawyers appointed to the Justice Department by Trump are outta there unless they 'burrowed in'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Aug 21 - 11:41 PM I wonder what all of the Trump plants in federal agencies are doing these days? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 05 Aug 21 - 10:54 PM https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/05/heres-roadmap-justice-department-follow-investigating-trump/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 05 Aug 21 - 09:16 PM "We can't keep trying to outrun this thing or llo anyone to rewrite this thing; e've got to turn around and face it, defeat it once and for all. if all we do is turn away and hope it fades, it will just keep getting stronger until it kills us all." Capitol policeman Mike Fanome who survived Jan. 6 attack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 05 Aug 21 - 06:50 PM Here we are in August, the very month Trump says he is to be reinstated. (There's no constitutional mechanations to reinstate anybody) Did America come close to a Trump coup? Yes closer than one or two people intervening to not perform unlawful acts close. 100 million $ says Trump will win this time around, truth be damned again. Vaccination fears are waining but stupid arguements still arise such as Elvis got vaccinated in the Army and now he's dead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 05 Aug 21 - 06:15 PM I'm listening right now (Thursday 20210805) to Terry Gross of Fresh Air interviewing Jane Mayer of The New Yorker who wrote: New Yorker's "The Big Money Behind The Big Lie" The NPR site related is: Fresh Air - The Dark Money Effort to Win at All Costs |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 04 Aug 21 - 08:24 PM Trump, his loyalists and appointees are like the founding fathers in one key way. They know they have to hang together or they will certainly hang seperately. Begining with Jeffery Clark... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Aug 21 - 10:34 AM Remember Alexander Vindman? Testified in Trump's first impeachment hearing, then he and his twin brother were evicted from jobs in the White House and Trump tried to bring him up on charges? He as written a book. What I Heard in the White House Basement I knew the president had clear and straightforward talking points—I’d written them. By Alexander Vindman This article basically recounts the events of the Trump conversation with the newly-elected president of Ukraine, and how he and others responded to the shift in policy that was intended to get Trump re-elected. It covers the events discussed in the impeachment hearing. In my life, that quiet inner voice has been a real person: my brother. Our unique relationship was about to matter more than it ever had before. The walk that morning from the White House basement up to my brother’s office is pretty much a blur but I do remember looking around the conference room when the meeting broke up, knowing that others, including my boss, had heard what I’d heard. In that moment, I realized something right away. Nobody else was going to say anything about it. I was the person most knowledgeable about and officially responsible for the portfolio. If I didn’t report up the chain of command what I knew, no one might ever find out what the president was up to with Ukraine and the 2020 U.S. election. That’s why I went straight to Yevgeny’s office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 28 Jul 21 - 02:04 PM I think this may be appropriate for some of the legislation in regards to all this: "Laws are like sausages. It is better not to see them being made." Otto Von Bismarck |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Jul 21 - 04:59 PM Justice Department Clears Way For Trump Officials To Testify About Jan. 6 The Justice Department has notified former government officials that it has consulted with the White House counsel's office and that it "would not be appropriate to assert executive privilege with respect to communications with former President Trump and his advisers and staff on matters related to the committee's proposed interviews," according to a person who has read the letter from department official Bradley Weinsheimer. Bold emphasis mine. They will probably try to say that what they know is still exclusive and needs to be not spoken to protect Trump. This is saying "don't try it." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: keberoxu Date: 26 Jul 21 - 06:14 PM Philip Bump on Donald Trump (you can't make THAT up) and the audience for the fringe mass media. Washington Post: Donald Trump finally has what he always wanted |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 21 - 10:42 AM As for Trump and Mc Connel, they are not a Hitler and Goering war machine and his merry band of insurrectionists who rule by the anti democratic mob are not the SS trained from childhood in loyalty to a man god. We may lose voting democracy but failure is not fatal and success is not final. We the people will continue on. "We may learn to change our minds or the minds of others, for those who never change their minds, never change anything." quote Winston Churchill. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 21 - 08:43 AM Best not to double click submit. As a denominator to every post; I have faith in each and every one, more than a diety. Its kind of a Hindu concept that god is in everyone which is why they bow with prayer hands to each other in India. It just might take Trump 42 lifetimes to finally do the right thing, but even he could be redeemed given enough time. As for his followers who paid the ultimate price for believing his lies, I wish them and theirs get special dispensation. Flagellation won't help but sometimes it is tempting to whip the idiots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 21 - 08:23 AM Correct on both accounts gilly. I was too weary to double check. It turns out that Georgia was not the only state official he called to change votes prior to Jan. 6th. Its hard to say what was plan A or B since Jan 6 had been in the works for weeks or even months. Trump was ready to go big or go home. In the end he did both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 21 - 08:23 AM Correct on both accounts gilly. I was too weary to double check. It turns out that Georgia was not the only state official he called to change votes prior to Jan. 6th. Its hard to say what was plan A or B since Jan 6 had been in the works for weeks or even months. Trump was ready to go big or go home. In the end he did both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 24 Jul 21 - 04:53 AM correction: the call in question was to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, not the AG. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 24 Jul 21 - 04:48 AM If you're referring to the phone call to the Georgia A.G. in which he said “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,”,that took place on Jan. 2 of this year when he was still in office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 23 Jul 21 - 11:56 PM Thats why a recording of his phone calls have proved obstruction and lead to impeachments except in the eyes of Republican Senators. His call to Georgia's AG to change voting results was also impeachable but he was no longer president then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 23 Jul 21 - 08:19 PM Couple things I'm curious about: Regarding Kavanaugh, I recall that some of the Senators were willing to wait for an FBI report to be made prior to the confirmation vote. That sounded like a formal work product. Are these recent revelations indicating that that was a sham? Yeah, I know how naive that question might appear. Re: the slippery one presumably Trump. This is based on what I remember hearing over the last year. But it's that Trump does not do e-mail. He leaves precious little personal documentation out there. Interesting in comparison to his 'rule via twitter' practise when he was in office. There is plenty written about Trmp, including the aggressive use of lawyers and suits against his creditors ("Where's My Roy Cohn?"). He is a long time scrapper in a business environment that filters out a certain type of 'success'. But maybe not success as most of us expect. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 23 Jul 21 - 12:01 PM He's slippery as a frog. He's been flim-flamming government organizations, banks, contractors and individuals for about fifty years and has become adept at leaving someone else holding the bag. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 23 Jul 21 - 11:19 AM I know I don't know enough about US politics and I was probably expecting too much but can anyone explain to me why he has not been locked up yet? |