BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 08:19 AM

Psychologicaly when a person's emotions are broken, a secondary paranoia can overwhelm an individual. For example a black person in the US experiences many examples of law enforcement attacking and killing people like themselves and begin to generalize that all law enforcement are murdering bastards. Now after the attack on the capitol many white people have experienced for the first time that members of law enforcement among the mob were willing to put in jeopardy or kill them is a shock to their psyche. Learning the likelihood that the police can be the enemy is new to many white people who were not inclined to be criminals. Eventually a person can see personal attacks everywhere until physical health is also endangered.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 08:40 PM

Trmp resigns from Screen Actors Guild

He wrote a blatant letter in which the oprative phrase from his point of view is: "You have done nothing for me."

Pretty much sums up his attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Feb 21 - 12:30 AM

Tonight on the Rachel Maddow Show she's talking about how Trump refuses to call himself the former president. He has set up the office of the 45th President of the US, he's still using the presidential seal. I wonder how long he'll get away with that BS.

Pence has set up an office of the former Vice President, something like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 04:53 PM

Interesting you bring up Rachel Maddow. My hiking buddy is reading Bag Man and is getting me to read it, too. It's about Spiro Agnew and apparently has much to recommend it as an example of how things have NOT changed all that much.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 10:51 AM

I have that book in my tablet but haven't started it yet. It sounds fascinating (there was a blog on the same topic, which is why she expanded it into book form).

From The Guardian

"It was not just May who found Trump unsettling: to European diplomatic observers, he seemed a “strange creature”. And he also triggered alarm among some American officials in the room with him, with one defence official noting that the president’s notoriously short attention span suggested a “squirrel careening through the traffic”."

How Donald Trump's hand-holding led to panicky call home by Theresa May

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 07:52 PM

The feeling this end is that Trump is almost certain to be acquitted by the Senate. Whatever else happens, you have to find a way of preventing him from standing in 2024. I can't help feeling that the danger is far from over.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 08:29 PM

Oh sure... not enough Republicans are brave enough to vote to convict. It IS a useful way to make a point, though.
I am waiting for all the state indictments that will be filed after the show trial... I think Letitia James has over 60... and Georgia is working on some.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 09:01 PM

I can't find the damn thing now after 15 minutes' searching, and it's past my bedtime, but I hear that a poll concluded that only a narrow majority think that Trump should be convicted/punished (maybe you can find it). He still has masses of supporters, and that should worry us.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 01:43 AM

The Capitol Rioters Aren’t Like Other Extremists

We analyzed 193 people arrested in connection with the January 6 riot—and found a new kind of American radicalism.

On January 6, a mob of about 800 stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump, and many people made quick assumptions regarding who the insurrectionists were. Because a number of the rioters prominently displayed symbols of right-wing militias, for instance, some experts called for a crackdown on such groups. Violence organized and carried out by far-right militant organizations is disturbing, but it at least falls into a category familiar to law enforcement and the general public. However, a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more “normal” Trump supporters—middle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far right—joined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election.

To understand the events of January 6 and devise solutions to prevent their recurrence, Americans need a fine-grained comprehension of who attacked the Capitol. Understanding the ideology and beliefs of those who commit political violence is important, but so is knowing what kind of people they are and what their lives are like.

For the past decade and a half, our research team at the Chicago Project on Security and Threats has conducted demographic studies of international and domestic terrorists.

The rest is at the link.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Feb 21 - 06:26 AM

For me, how easily ordinary people are, and historically have been swept along by right wing extremism and other forms of radicalisation should be a cause for concern.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 01:25 PM

During the discussion of the presentations ahead they said they assume families will be watching these hearings together, and will try to give warnings ahead of time for any graphic content so parents can decide if their children should see it. It seems that blood and death and damage are going to be part of the evidence, which is appropriate in this. Maybe they can shame the GOP into voting their conscience and not acquitting Trump out of fear of his "base."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 02:36 PM

I just read an Oz ABC News article which mentioned that Trump is now facing criminal charges from New York and Georgia for attempting to influence the elections.

In answer to a reader's question, "What is Trump doing whilst all this is going on?" the journalist said:

"Trump was probably doing the same as yesterday and watching it unfold on TV, and that 'apparently he was none too pleased with his defence team's performance yesterday'.

"He was 'basically screaming,' according to CNN’s Kaitlan Collins.

" 'Trump was especially disappointed in the performance of his lawyer Bruce Castor, who gave a rambling argument, wore an ill-fitting suit and at one point praised the case presented by the Democratic House impeachment managers,' two people involved in the effort told the Washington Post."

Trump “had expected a swashbuckling lawyer and instead watched what was a confusing and disjointed performance".


I guess the suit his lawyer was wearing is of the ultimate importance??!!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 02:55 PM

"his lawyer Bruce Castor, who gave a rambling argument, wore an ill-fitting suit..."

Agent Orange should be flattered that his lawyer used him as his role-model.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 03:08 PM

Now that you mention it.....Yes! :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 04:31 PM

When trump dies, should his body be disposed of in a secret location,
like other notorious rogue leaders/dictators...???

Does America really need a grand monument to rally round in memory of him...???????

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 04:40 PM

Or should a statue be erected so that the pigeons have something to sh!t on?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 07:36 PM

Does the Senate's decision that the trial is constitutional carry constitutional weight? I'd was have thought that it does, and that in any future scenario it would be a pretty decisive precedent.

In which case there is no room for a Senator who voted for acquittal to argue that this was because they believed that it was unconstitutional, because this has already bee determined. The only thing they have any right to consider is guilt or inocence as charged.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Feb 21 - 06:05 PM

CPAC in Orlando Looks to Be the Saddest, Stupidest CPAC Yet

The annual GOP clusterfuck is underway and the Trump kids are having a ball. Their father will speak and there's also a golden statue that matches the toilets in his various homes.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 27 Feb 21 - 06:36 PM

I think the statue is a good representation of the Trumpster. Tacky, overdone, silly, unflattering, in-your-face and difficult to ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 07:59 AM

The statue's
small stature
of 4 feet tall
says it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 09:50 AM

It's a six-foot statue, but Trump argues that he's 6'4" (except of course you can compare him standing next to people who are that height and even his fluffed hair doesn't bring him to that measure.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Pamber
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 11:55 AM

It's been said many times but he is probably the only person on earth who could make our BoJo look competent (well fairly competent)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 06:07 PM

He is over an hour into his diatribe as I type this. His main newsmaking line to this point is that he's not "starting a new party, that was false news." He is re-hashing all his old lines and gaining energy as he goes. Not too much hand gesturing.

Now he's going over his Republican enemies by name.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:24 AM

I would like to advance into the Biden presidency with the former office-abuser being silent. No tweeting, no speaking. I turned off the radio today when they started to play some of the crap he is speaking.

Media are going to have to come to grips with the idea that as long as they highlight his antics they are giving his foolish followers energy and Trump himself oxygen. They need to resist covering him, and in particular stop letting him see his own visage on the television.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: JHW
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 05:46 AM

News today, 1st March (not April) Trump to run again in 4 years time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 05:55 AM

There's a calmness afoot these days that's very welcome. However, I'm disappointed with the indulgence that the US is affording the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. That disappointment extends to all the bootlicking that the West does with regard to that corrupt, anti-democratic, misogynistic and murderous regime, but a shot across the bows from the US would have at least sent a message.

It's still the oil, innit...and any friend of Israel is a friend of mine...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 08:07 AM

WE all would like to move on Maggie but in the Ubited States of Amnesia we would have forgotten about orange being the new white by now. BUT cult hypnotic programing takes a while longer than usual.

Steve should list his US indulgences like released classified intelligence regarding the Prince murder of Jamal or the effort for Saudi to normalize relations with Syria or Biden's refusal to speak to the prince but called his father instead.
Steve by posting well over 500 times in Feb. you are popping off without new learning. Take more time listening and we will all be better off.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 08:10 AM

The conspiritorial gutterlism and the engineered repeatative sloganism are the Republican post hypnotic uggestions of today, same as yesterday.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 08:16 AM

I would like to remind folks of the difficulty involved in making a psrody of a reality that is BEYOND parody. :^/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 04:01 PM

Don'l:

You are being unusually logical. It doesn't suit you. We are so far beyond parody in an age of golden fiberglass idols wearing stars'n stripes shorts that we are in an age of parody PARITY. We ALL know that we are in an outrageous face-off, thus we need to maintain a level of outrageousness that out-parodies the other guy's parody. That does leave open simply holding up a mirror to some fiberglass golden skinned figure wearing stars'n stripes shorts.

That is why despite your machinegun posts and mendacious moods and proclivities for Dontrumpuel - isms you have your uses. You remind us, whether or not we need the reminding, of the kind of tactics used by the oppressors.

That is why I have yet to get tired of you (though I hope to, someday).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 06:14 PM

"Steve should list his US indulgences like released classified intelligence regarding the Prince murder of Jamal or the effort for Saudi to normalize relations with Syria or Biden's refusal to speak to the prince but called his father instead.

Steve by posting well over 500 times in Feb. you are popping off without new learning. Take more time listening and we will all be better off."

I objected to this, and I object to the fact that some mod has deleted my objection. If you're going to delete my objection, mod, you should also consider deleting the post that I objected to. The last two lines of this are patronising and totally unjustified in their sentiment.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 06:16 PM

Thank you I never understood what you meant. Now I simply don't care.
I am like antimatter in a Trump universe I suppose. Watch the movie Tenet and see how matter moving backwards in time behaves. Richard Feynman had a point.
Get one! :^/
50 F today

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 07:16 PM

Never saw Tenet. Any good?

Matter or Anti-Matter forgodsake not a Trmp universe. I'm still adapting to the Tom Clancy universe which started 09/11/2001.

Have pity on Steve. He still thinks there's rules (that don't apply to him).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 07:26 PM

Well there should be a rule that says that a bloody idiot shouldn't be able to advise you in a condescending way how to learn things.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 07:51 PM

I feel remiss that I haven't given a link to one of the seminal art pieces of our time. Here is a slice of youtube showing the Trump golden statue creator wiping it down. I leave it to your imagination to figure out what he's cleaning it from, but I used the word 'seminal' purely in its metaphoric sense!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 02:39 PM

This past week, Republicans held a strategy where-are-we-now? meeting with their leader in exile, Donald 'the dumped' Trump.

This was at Mara Lago .

Trump's address departed prepared statements but as one might expect from, well, everything, was his attacks on Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence. The Republicans are not totally united, but the Republican party is still very much a party of Trump along with acolytes ready to steal, borrow, assume the mantle, with permission: current Florida Governor DeSantis and Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz.

I would love to say the plot 'sickens' but no, it's been pretty sick right along.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 03:46 PM

One does wish that the folks handling the prosecutorial end of things would move along a little faster. Now THAT'S the trial I want to see televised (whichever of them comes along first).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 02:56 PM

I have a Musselliniesque fictional account in my head of the Q internet conspiracy turning against their Mr. Big and litterally tearing him apart in the most savage ways possible.
It would take less than two years and involves a revenge tell all book by Ivanka.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 10:48 AM

Stilly River Sage, are you a constituent
in this North Texas special election?

Look who paid a visit.

Trump crashes final days of Texas special election

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 11:10 AM

Nope. Wright (who died of COVID-19 after ignoring all of the safety measures recommended) had a highly-gerrymandered district to the east and southeast of me. Mine is just as bad, though. Kay Granger has swallowed most of the GOP party line, with very few exceptions (she actually supported health care a couple of times, I think.)

I heard one of the stations play part of Trump's remarks following the speech to the joint house and senate group - the news folks really do need to stop referring to him so he can truly fade away and become irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 21 - 09:59 AM

The way to counter all the voting obstruction laws is to REQUIRE all voters to present a Vaccination card.
heh heh heh

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 01 May 21 - 03:03 PM

Not a good idea Donuel partly because of the Tuskegee experiment and the hesitancy it created among African Americans - which I just heard about this week on an Australian ABC TV show - so there would possibly be a tendency for your idea to discriminate against them unintentionally.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 21 - 12:17 PM

Tuskegee was a long time ago and is very well known here, and isn't a good reason to avoid offering the entire population some kind of proof-of-vaccination, passport or other. Instead, making sure that today's individuals from all ethnic and racial groups have equal access and good information. Transparency is called for. Before that happens, though, a couple of major federal laws have to pass that render toothless all of the GOP legislation popping up in states that is designed to exclude and disenfranchise voters. So the goal for all sorts of other fair laws coming into place is to get rid of the filibuster. And there are two senators who steadfastly want to hold their seats so are not agreeing to vote to remove the filibuster. Some things are larger than those jobs, but you need to convince them of that. There have been people who knew it would work against them who still voted to approve valuable legislation, but that kind of altruism is rare.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 21 - 01:31 PM

Republicans have long demanded special voter ID cards. The 25% who are shunning vaccination are Republicans, ergo my earlier suggestion.

Putin has long said that elections are not determined by who votes for you but instaed, who counts the votes. The Cyber Ninjas are a trump-Q based group who is actually doing a vote recount of the Arizona ballots.
This akin to allowing only Republcans to vote.

round&round the vote polling place a poket full of ballots
But when only republicans can vote
POP goes democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 May 21 - 09:05 AM

Facebook's paid "panel" is going to decide whether to let Trump back on his Facebook account. They don't have anyone on that panel who really understands about disinformation and how destructive it is, so I fear the worst. Meanwhile, Trump started some kind of Wordpress blog to add to his website. That's his new "platform."

Facebook oversight board to give verdict on Donald Trump ban – live

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 May 21 - 09:28 AM

So the panel/board says to let him stay off of the site (FB was Trump's most effective fundraiser site, why he wants back on so desperately) but that FB can't kick him off without some set of rules saying why or how long. Hmmmm. Private company, not bound by First Amendment . . . dicey.

Oversight Board upholds Trump's Facebook suspension

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 May 21 - 10:57 AM

As far as I am concerned, now that the turnip is no longer in a position of power, he has been reduced to the same, laughable position as those like David Icke. With apologies for those who are struggling to deal with mental health issues, reading the turnip's posts is like it was paying to watch the inmates in the Bedlam Asylum..

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 21 - 12:24 PM

We are so lucky that insurrectionists on January 6th did not fire upon Congress or burn down the building. It still serves as an opening of hostilities like Fort Sumter at the start of the civil war. There were no casualties during the Confederate bombardment of Fort Sumter at the start of the American Civil War. The only Union deaths came during the evacuation: One soldier was killed and another mortally wounded in an accidental explosion during a planned 100-gun salute. (so unlucky)
I am glad FB will not be a continual host of further hostilities.

The Supream Court has some monumental decisions to make. They could
propel a modern civil war over voting rights and new voter suppression laws that would insure minority rule.

I have long had the premonition of a civil war as a few of you know, I count our blessings that we are backing away from a Trump ivil war. After all we have already lost over half a million lives in the US. For perspectiv the bllodoest battle in the civilwar wa 23,000 at Shilo.
The total civil war deaths are 620,000 to 75o,000.

We continue to restore the capitol objects of art from their exspoure to feces and knives. I hope democracy itself can be restored.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 07 May 21 - 03:14 PM

I don't think Trmp is out of power at all. Far from it. He has established his own eponymic web site and we have yet to see if he will make it a go-to place in the increasingly crazy netiverse.

Meanwhile, if you've been paying attention to the case of Liz Cheney in trying to maintain veracity and a sense of decency in the Republican sphere of 'thought', Trmp has decreed that she be replaced as Republican House leader by a Trmptard Representative, Elise Stefanik. More interesting, in that Trmp as a leader in retirement could be a deep betrayer in that he leads so many so wrong, but if they are so many enought, they re-define what is right, as they have been doing for several years now including a while Trmp term of office. Also interesting, is that Elise Stefanick did not start out as a Trmpist, but as a fairly interesting moderate conservative.

This is not all due to Trmp. This is an accumulation of Zero Sum tactics going back as far as Reagan, but mostly due to the "Gingrich Revolution" sustained by Mitch Mcconnell. The rhetoric has been supplemented by elements of the 'press'.

Just to say, there is a right-wing juggernaut out there. It is a loose but persistent agglomeration of interwoven irrationality that won't dissolve all at once like the dead walkers in the final episode of GOT despite Trmp's likeness to the Night King (apologies to Richard Brake!)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 May 21 - 05:29 PM

I think it was you who said our institutions would prevent such a coup just about a year ago. I'm hoping you're right.