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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 10:31 PM We all get the Guardian. You don't get the WP or NYT. Figures. I'm surprised you don't post on MOAB where you give us all quite a laugh with your posts and mistakes. The official elevation of Denver is measured on the West steps outside the building, where the fifteenth step is engraved with the words "One Mile Above Sea Level." From this step, at 5,280 feet (1,609m), the sun can be seen setting behind the Rocky Mountains. A second mile high marker was set in the 18th step in 1969 when Colorado State University students resurveyed the elevation. In 2003, a more accurate measurement was made with modern means, and the 13th step was identified as being one mile (1.6km) high, where a third marker was installed. After this midterm you can get very high in Colorado now that magic mushrooms are legal for consumption and cultivation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Nov 22 - 08:05 PM Apropos of my earlier post, from the Guardian live feed: Some Republican senators have called for a delay in the party’s leadership elections scheduled to take place next week. While Mitch McConnell, the current minority leader, was expected to continue in his role, three GOP senators have been circulating a letter calling to postpone the vote scheduled for Wednesday morning, Politico reported. The letter, shared by Senators Ron Johnson, Mike Lee and Rick Scott, said: “We are all disappointed that a Red Wave failed to materialize, and there are multiple reasons it did not. We need to have serious discussions within our conference as to why and what we can do to improve our chances in 2024.” Senators Marco Rubio and Josh Hawley also have supported the calls for a delay, CNN reported. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 06:54 PM Similar to King Midas, everything King Trump touches with lies dies like allies, candidate tries, clean skies and the demise of freedom and the peaceful transfer of power. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Nov 22 - 06:22 PM Staying on topic, as demanded, I see that the kicked-in-the-bollocks GOP is now in disarray over their Senate leadership election. Days of hope. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Nov 22 - 04:54 PM You poor thing. Anyway... From Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian, commenting on Trump's "setback" in the midterms: "So no shortage of lessons from America. Of course, the differences between there and everywhere else are obvious and nothing reads across precisely. Except for one thing. What the US election proved once more is that the conventional wisdom is often wrong, that fatalism is always wrong – and that, every now and then, politics can turn out right." Well let's hope so. The usual suspect topics (abortion among them) didn't do it for Trump and his brain-dead acolytes. However, let's not pretend that that far-right tosser in Florida couldn't be just as bad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 04:36 PM My best friends work for Voice of America. They heroically worked against Trump's chaos and destruction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Nov 22 - 03:46 PM And I promise to stay on topic as long as we all keep it simple, accurate and well-researched. Stop hitting out at people who clearly work harder than you do on this stuff. You are not the Voice Of America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 11 Nov 22 - 03:35 PM If anyone does not understand anything I have said I do my best to explain. I don't always succeed but I do try. If I fail I put it down to a communication flaw on my part. The last thing I would do is blame my listener for not being bright enough to understand my humour. If you have a point, make it clear. If you tell a joke, make it funny. If you have a communication issue, try to fix it. I'm a simple soul with a little gnome brain. I don't understand subtle nuances, hidden meanings or dark hints. Sorry, that's just me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 02:28 PM Now stay on topic or go home. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 02:27 PM Like an autistic person, Steve can not differentiate between sarcasm, humor, and reporting on what is being said on a serious subject. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 02:24 PM Dave, Perhaps the 'crowd' is as many as 7 people who actually read or care about a subject here. I run into similar problems with British phraseology and especially unfamiliar names or your local events. I accept these gaps in communication. For example, If I say Betty White at the end of a mass shooting event post, you would not get it, but in America, it is a popular joke that Betty White stands for 'I bet he is white'. An excellent translator has to take factors into account most of us do not consider. I have done humorous stories about the high jinx that can ensue from poor translation between world leaders. Even Shakespear plots can turn on a mistaken word or idea. If you asked "Did she take it all down?", your folks know what you are saying. In America we would be confused or having X rated thoughts, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Nov 22 - 01:47 PM You dress up quite a lot of half-arsed ideas in obscure and ill-researched bullshit and you've been called out numerous times by several people for peddling misinformation. If that's your idea of "Yankee individualism," you are doing your fellow countryfolks a big disservice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 11 Nov 22 - 08:27 AM I don't understand a lot of your posts eother, Don. I thought it was just me but it seems I am part of an ever growing crowd. Don't get me wrong. I am not saying you should change or anything. Just that if you have something important to say, you are not reaching a lot of your target audience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 08:22 AM GIT LOST you hayseed. When people do not understand a language, its culture, humor, backstory, and its intricacies they cry obscurity. You do not influence my Yankee individualism no matter how much you rail over my culture, language, and creativity and you never will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Nov 22 - 07:14 AM On deliberate obscurantism: I really don't like art with a message, unless the message is crystal clear. If you have a message that really needs to be said, just fuckin' say it! Don't hide it in indecipherable lyrics... a sculpture, it's a play, the subtext... just fuckin' say it, 'cause the people who need to hear messages are dumb as shit--the masses of humanity are dumb as shit, and you're really just pandering to your friends. Say what the fuck you mean, just say it! Title the song 'eat more leafy greens'. 'Give a hoot, don't pollute' is as much message and art combined, 'cause I get that, it's a poem but I'm pretty sure you're saying 'don't pollute'. But if you have something... 'ooh, I have the cure for cancer...and I've hidden it in this Rubix cube!!' -- just fuckin' say it! - Before Turning the Gun on Himself [2012] Doug Stanhope |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 07:01 AM Following the cowboy meme; The hay is in the barn but a leak in the roof can still cause mold. What the women folk are cooking up in the kitchen is still in a battle of recipes of rights. Meanwhile back in the pass, Trump is in a box canyon shoot out. He is still shooting from the hip which is far less accurate than aiming. It looks like he has been winged. They say a wounded animal is more dangerous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 11 Nov 22 - 06:38 AM Lawless and corrupt Trump still has a 33% MAGA base which has grown slightly. The Paradox of Republicans is that they can't win with the donald and can't win without him. It is too late in the day for Republicans to significantly change course. Wannabe De Santis has a glass jaw and could cower as easily as Cruz when facing the blowtorch of Col. Slanders. Ron won't be able to assume all of the Maga base. Besides he is no prize. So we are not out of the woods yet. Until the control of Congress is settled, the negative Trump blowback is still in question. The winds of change are still in a cone of uncertainty. It is still dark and dusky but there are signs of dawn's early light. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Nov 22 - 08:32 PM Call me a skeptic, but when abduction is involved, can rape be far behind? The musical Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is wonderful and is incredibly dated and non-PC. I still watch it when it comes on TV. It's not quite as horribly non-PC as Kismet (another great musical otherwise). I don't know if there is a musical that portrays how awful Trump is. The closest film representation would be the Star Wars films that have Jabba the Hut as a character. Trump to a T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 10 Nov 22 - 05:20 PM Let's leave out "Those Sobbin' sobbin' sobbin' women!" I won't hear a word agin' "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" When the avalanche blocks the valley, you're on your own! (And don't go challenging my PCness until you see the movie) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 10 Nov 22 - 10:11 AM In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million. Since 1993, the Post has been owned by Murdoch's News Corp. Its distribution ranked 4th in the US in 2019. Owner: NYP Holdings, Inc. (News Corp) Founder: Alexander Hamilton November 16, 1801; 220 years ago .. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Nov 22 - 09:42 AM NPR had a story this morning about how some of the GOP candidates have decided, since the election, that they can disentangle themselves from the orange one. The story noted that Humpty Dumpty remark (not that the NY Post is anything other than yellow journalism, but they have a point.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 10 Nov 22 - 06:41 AM The NY Poat is now calling Trump, Humpty Trumpty instead of Col. Slanders. Having a State Military force composed of militia types, paid for by taxpayers, answerable only to the Governor is a very ominous move. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Nov 22 - 05:02 AM Quite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Ebbie Date: 10 Nov 22 - 04:27 AM Donuel, sometimes -often?- your comments lead to skepticism. For instance: Pretorian? Are you saying that DeSantis formed a "Praetorian Guard"? Please expand on that thought. Also, the last I knew, DeSantis' middle name is 'Dion'. Where did 'Poindexter' come from? I'm trying to be polite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 22 - 07:03 PM Ronald Poindexter De Santis formed 'Pretorian' troops under the direct orders of the Governor. The National Guard was too federal for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Nov 22 - 04:51 PM No. He's a zealot like Trump, an awful human being. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Nov 22 - 02:20 PM Is DeSantis any better than Trump? If he spoils the orange one's chances it would be good but could he become president and, if so, will it benefit the US and the rest of us? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 22 - 02:02 PM Trump had 25 public accusations of rape and some additional nonpublic disclosures. Whoever dared rape Medussa must have had a paper bag. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Nov 22 - 01:20 PM Not sure what the point of that was, Don. All that needs be done is E. Jean Carroll win her civil suit. The consensus this morning on Twitter (I tend to follow more central and liberal twitter members) is that "Trump was castrated." Trump wants to try to stop the Tsunami if criminal charges headed his way and thinks running for office is what it takes. We need the Justice Department to act at a less-glacial pace to take care of finishing off Trump. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 22 - 01:19 PM According to Wiki, Trump out-raped Zeus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Nov 22 - 01:17 PM Hmm. Sabine women raped? When I saw Giambologna's amazing sculpture of the Rape of the Sabine Women in the Loggia dei Lanzi in Piazza della Signoria, Florence, four or five years ago, I was moved to look up the story for myself. For one thing, the historicity of the story is disputed. Secondly, even if the story has any truth in it, the women were not abducted for sexual motives. Abducted, yes, raped, no. Comment is free but facts are sacred. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 22 - 12:59 PM ALLEGED CRIMINAL RAPES: 32 American women claimed to be raped by Trump. Greek mythology Atalanta; raped by Hippomenes when they married. Alcippe a daughter of Ares; raped by Halirrhothius, the son of Poseidon. Alcmene; raped by Zeus in form of her husband Amphitryon. Apemosyne; raped by Hermes, after slipping on skinned hides that Hermes placed on her path. Auge; raped by Heracles. Aura; raped by Dionysus while she was drunk. Callisto; raped by Zeus in the form of Artemis or Apollo. Cassandra; raped by Ajax the Lesser during the Sack of Troy. Chione; raped by Hermes in her sleep. Cassiopeia; raped by Zeus in the form of her husband Phoenix. Cyrene; raped by Apollo, in the form of a wolf. Demeter; according to an Arcadian myth, Demeter was being pursued by her younger brother, Poseidon, and she changed into a horse to escape him. Poseidon, however, transformed himself into a horse and, after cornering Demeter, raped his older sister, resulting in her giving birth to Despoina, a maiden goddess, and Arion, a divine horse. Dryope; raped by Apollo in the form of a snake. Europa; abducted by Zeus in the form of a white bull, then raped. Halie; a Rhodian woman raped by her own sons. Harpalyce; raped by her own father. Io; pursued and eventually raped by Zeus, transformed into a heifer. Leda, raped by Zeus in the form of a swan. Liriope; raped by the river god Cephissus. Metis; pursued and eventually raped by her cousin Zeus. Nemesis; raped by Zeus, who relentlessly pursued her, changing many forms. In some versions, Nemesis is the mother of Helen of Troy rather than Leda. Nicaea; raped by Dionysus while she was unconscious. Persephone; raped by her uncle Hades and in Orphic tradition by her father Zeus disguised as a snake or as Hades himself. Philomela; raped by her brother-in-law Tereus. Procris; raped by Minos. Rhea; raped by her son Zeus. Tyro; raped by Poseidon in the form of her beloved, the river-god Enipeus. Male Hermaphroditos; raped by (and later merged with) the nymph Salmacis. Bellerophon; raped by (and later accused of doing the same by) Anteia. Odysseus; in some versions, raped by Calypso on the island of Ogygia in his seven year stay. Silenus; raped by the cyclops Polyphemus. Chrysippus of Elis; raped by King Laius of Thebes, father of Oedipus by Jocasta, and author of the Laius complex in psychodynamic theory. Ganymedes raped by Zeus Cinyras raped by his daughter, Myrrha, by deception and alcohol. Endymion raped by Selene as he slept. Hylas raped by naiads. Adonis; in some versions, raped by Aphrodite. Caeneus raped when he was biologically female by Poseidon. Hebrew Bible Noah; mocked by Ham, in some interpretations he is either raped by him or by Canaan, his son and grandson respectively. Dinah; raped by a Canaanite prince and avenged by her brothers. Lot; seduced by his daughters by means of alcohol Tamar; raped by her half-brother Amnon and avenged by her brother Absalom. Norse mythology Rindr; raped by Odin in Saxo Grammaticus' version of the engendering of Baldr's avenger Roman mythology Lucretia; raped by a prince, Sextus Tarquinius. The Sabine women; raped by the founders of Rome Rhea Silvia, raped by Mars. Medusa; raped by Neptune in Minerva's temple Lara; raped by Mercury as he escorted her to the Underworld. Caeneus; formerly known as Caenis raped by Neptune in Ovid's version. Knights of the Round Table Lancelot; Elaine of Corbenic posed as Guinevere to perform a rape by deception upon him. Medieval Folklore Eve raped by Lilith, in the form of snake Adam raped by Lilith in the form of Eve Hindu Mythology Ahalya seduced by Indra, the king of gods Rambha raped by Ravana Araja raped by Danda Wikipedia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Nov 22 - 12:43 PM A criminal tries to steal an election by stirring up violence at the Capitol. Instead of prosecuting him and throwing him in jail where he clearly belongs, we have a weak Democrat party who haven't got what looks anything like a credible candidate next time round, and the only way that the criminal can apparently be stopped from running again, and likely winning again, is via some bloke from the extreme right in Florida thinking of putting himself forward instead. What a bloody mess. Welcome to the Land of the Free. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 22 - 12:05 PM https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-mar-lago-threatened-looming-hurricane-nicole-1758037 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Nov 22 - 10:36 AM Here's the first chunk of it, Dave: Trump Hoped for a Celebration but Did Not Have Much to Cheer The former president endorsed roughly 300 candidates in the midterm elections. With votes still being counted, those in competitive races appeared to have mixed results.
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Nov 22 - 09:40 AM NYT is paywalled for me Don. Can you give us the gist? I heard the orange one saying that if they win he should get the credit but if they lose it is not his fault. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 22 - 08:53 AM NYT Trump said I should get all the credit... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 22 - 07:59 AM Against all historic norms, the Democrats held their own against an expected Republican tidal wave. The biggest loser Donald Trump was probably the catalyst for the re-emergence of reason along with a rejection of violent politics. Zuckerberg has lost a hundred billion dollars and Musk had to sell Tesla stock to manage his Twitter debt. The gravity of reason is pulling America back from the cliff. In recent years money has been given citizenship and free speech but now it's time to pay the piper. Money and some Republican losers have conceded, one said "The People Have Spoken...The Bastards". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 22 - 06:25 AM AMERICA BE PROUD! You voted against mandatory incest across the country and preferred abortion rights. Pretty low bar huh. Control of Congress is still uncertain but a couple of insurrection candidates won. The New Hampshire dude was at the January 6th attack. At least Oz, the Trump snake oil 'doctor' and the football hero lost. California will be the last crucial puzzle piece. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Nov 22 - 04:57 AM From yesterday's Guardian. The future of American democracy is at stake in the midterm elections (Andrew Gawthorpe) The majority of the Republican candidates for the House of Representatives are election-deniers – and a Republican-controlled Congress might attempt to sabotage the certification of the next presidential vote. Midterm elections are generally seen as less important than presidential elections. The stakes seem lower, which means fewer people turn out to vote. Most of the time the party controlling the White House takes losses, and this predictability can make midterms seem less important too: what can one voter do against the strength of the political tides? But occasionally there are midterms whose stakes rise beyond whether or not the president’s party will be able to pass new laws, and instead concern the whole future of the American republic. This year is one of them. That’s because this year, the majority of Republican candidates running for Congress, governor’s mansions, and other key statewide offices have denied or questioned the results of the 2020 presidential election. Donald Trump’s attempted coup failed in 2020 because officeholders at the federal and state level refused to go along with it. This year’s midterm elections could change all of that, producing a set of Republican officials willing to extinguish American democracy. [Andrew Gawthorpe is a historian of the United States at Leiden University and host of the podcast America Explained] This is a day out of date, admittedly, and it's just a short extract from quite a long read. It isn't just American democracy that's in peril... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Nov 22 - 04:32 AM So Ron DeSantis may now be enthused to staunch any bid by Trump for the White House. Not exactly progress, is it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Nov 22 - 03:51 AM Will the Democrats retain the senate? Fingers crossed! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 22 - 09:28 PM More important than elected officials were Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 22 - 09:02 PM How did we get here? OR How to deform a more Perfect Union, Establish Injustice, Ensure Domestic Riots, Provide for the Uncommon Defense, Demote the General Welfare, and Secure the Blessings of Liberty to 'ourselves' and our prosperity, to Ordain and Establish our own Hedgemony Constitution for the rich in America... I will only go back to the time of my own first hand experience although the historic roots can go back to ancient times. In 1958 the John Birch Society put on a suit and tie and represented a new image for the conservative right which had formerly been KKK values. In 1971 a guy named Powell created a memo for the Republican Party that outlined the long term steps needed to gain power forever. It included things they called think tanks and quickly outnumbered Democratic think tanks 100 to 1. Powell also made strategies to undo the New Deal and change education to shape young minds. By calling government big and evil the cracks became wider to elect big government corruptors. The only thing that trickled down was meanness. Changing definitions and the narrative was crucial. For example, journalism was based on the premise of objectivity and reason to reveal the truth. Republicans changed that from objectivity to 'balance' so if 99% believed in climate science the 1 percent deniers have an equal voice due to 'balance'. This strategy was most apparent in the Bush Jr. years. Also, vote tampering with computers was introduced and using the Court to decide elections. THE DEATH OF THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE The news had always been required to be a public service in the public interest but that was stopped by Reagan. New talk radio was now sanctioned to become pure demagoguery rife with racism. Enter the Internet and later the ultimate King of Mean... and we are here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 22 - 02:21 PM As if it's not punishment enough being poor, punishing the poor politics is bookended by creating and continuing poverty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Charmion Date: 08 Nov 22 - 10:24 AM In my opinion, the new right wing's problem with government is that it can, and will, level the playing field if permitted to do so. They don't want public money used to intervene in the nasty, brutish process of separating and disposing of society's losers. Of course, they believe that they are or should be winners, and that the government should spend its money on them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Nov 22 - 09:50 AM What, Her Worry? Iowa’s Kim Reynolds Is Running a Dishonest and Nasty Campaign But the Republican governor’s punch-down politics are no bar to reelection. While Trump is dishonest and greedy and wants to see his name everywhere, there are the standard-issue GOP politicians who just want to make life miserable for everyone they dislike. The poor. The unemployed. Those with health issues. She goes back to Reagan and before in her churlish treatment of most of her state's population. I think it was Tommy Thompson (of Wisconsin) during the Clinton era who made it so difficult for families with dependent children to get benefits, etc. They just plain don't think the government has a role in leveling the playing field. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 22 - 07:15 AM I have seen mob mentality do/allow horrible things but individuals or small groups act heroically. I have also seen the opposite. Human nature is in charge this election day. We will see which version will be on display |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 07 Nov 22 - 02:46 PM It will be hard to find another 80 year old gaff machine, or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Nov 22 - 08:15 AM Will Biden be standing for re-election in 2 years time or will the Democrats be fielding another candidate? |