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BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 07 Nov 22 - 07:49 AM 8+% is not hyperinflation but it affects everyone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Nov 22 - 08:32 PM We haven't got that kind of inflation and you know it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 06 Nov 22 - 08:09 PM There is hope that within two years the toxic nature of social media (Tik Tok, Facebook, Twitter) will be understood by most people and treated like tobacco. The gladiatorial nature of the most toxic remarks and claims of the utmost evil will still be spread but will be seen for the swill it is. BUT... We will have a candidate, Trump. Inflation will be the steroid that inflates a revolutionary spirit. Inflation almost always precedes political revolution despite good policies and reason. Hmmm Germany comes to mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Nov 22 - 07:19 PM He thinks it will prevent his prosecution. We all know that isn't likely to be an effective shield this time. Attorney General Garland has made that clear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Nov 22 - 06:16 PM We're going to get candidate Trump, aren't we? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 06 Nov 22 - 01:06 PM politics of all shades sounds shady. Yes I am deliberately fascist adverse and don't sweat the small stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Nov 22 - 12:32 PM Trump visited Pennsylvania to forecast doom and gloom if anyone but his candidate is elected. Here's hoping they see their own shadows next Tuesday and go away - forever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Oct 22 - 10:01 PM I was asking because you had a lot of fairly specific information and I'd like to know where it came from. Morning Joe isn't specific enough - where did they read it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Oct 22 - 09:41 PM Well we'll see about that. Lula has been lauded by most decent democratic leaders in the last few days and I feel that that will bear fruit. He will have to deliver, but he's done it before and we need to give him a fair wind. As for your other point, you do obsess over Trump in joke threads and just about every thread, and I am far from the only person who thinks that. As for me, I have lots of interests in politics of all shades. In recent months I've been appalled by the paralysis in the US when it comes to doing something about him, not least in the matter of the urgent need to stop him from standing again. I post more frequently about him these days because I think that he is a severe threat to all of us. Your first paragraph is incredibly patronising and is replete with the kind of hubris that is not justified by your rather limited intellect and your penchant for ill-informed comment, not to speak of your inability to express yourself in clear and simple English. In view of this, I'd advise you to take a humble pill and try to express whatever opinions you harbour in far more measured terms than you currently do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 09:34 PM The Washington post article goes back to explain what Britain did in 1934 to defeat the fascist party in their midst. Our problem is that fascists are going by the established name Republican party. Its not the Grand Old Party anymore |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 09:23 PM Before a year ago you refused to believe my take on Trump cultism and its dangers Steve. You called it my Trump obsession. That you are coming around shows that you are slow to learn beyond your personal prior beliefs, but you do learn. That is more than many folks. I do not think it was me who earned the term 'the usual suspects. I have pushed back against negativity and schoolmaster cruelty many here were subjected to. You claim you are being attacked. I do not attack you but respect you for being a survivor. Aren't we all? We quip we all have our 'quarks'. Mine is to return to my editorial cartooning days which are now either misunderstood or dangerous because of the fake news idiocy. In opposition to your observation, I believe that Brazil is bracing for turmoil and war brought on by the losing president. We shall see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Oct 22 - 08:53 PM Hmm. I rarely click on unsupported links, but this one can't be accessed. You can't beat giving your informed opinion. The URL was chopped off. Fixed. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 07:40 PM https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/16/how-the-british-defeated-homegrown-fascism-and-how-americans-can-do-the-same/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Oct 22 - 07:24 PM Anyway, back to the substantive, hopefully. Trump has seriously damaged the concept of democracy, not just in his own country but in the world in general. Bolsonaro, Johnson and Orbán have been his henchmen and we see neofascists sniffing around in Italy. The danger has far from gone away. In the UK we currently have a regime that plays fast and loose with both the law and with the ministerial code (the rules which constrain the behaviour of senior politicians). Over our shoulders we have Xi, Putin, Modi, Erdogan. The election of Trump would be the pivot point beyond which the world may become unimaginably brutal. He needs to be stopped. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 07:18 PM Turning down the volume of Republican Congressmen who say the quickest way to fire Pelosi is to shoot her in the head may not be possible. Its not possible on Amazon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Oct 22 - 06:15 PM That's all fine. But just check your facts before you post, then everybody's happy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 04:13 PM I got a hammer And I've got a bell And I've got a song to sing All over this land It's the hammer of justice It's the bell of freedom It's the song about love between My brothers and my sisters All over this land |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Oct 22 - 03:23 PM Unfortunately, you have all too often been a stranger to the truth, and that's twice as bad when it rubs off adversely on the people you don't agree with and who you attack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 03:11 PM One can deny facts and the truth-teller may respond to the fear-mongering lies, but when facts are called lies there is no hope. Its a dark of the moon halloween ~ 6 days 6 hours and 6 minutes before our Congressional elections. The only reliable prediction is that it will be close, with the most tension in decades. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Oct 22 - 02:12 PM "My whistle blower sacrifices on this Mudpuddle consist of conservative forces here sending the FBI to my house over claims of inciting violence and the efforts of Steve and cooperative mods to delete my message." Of all the ludicrous things you've said here, fella, this one absolutely takes the biscuit. |
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Subject: RE: my post was not sarcasm From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 01:38 PM Yes I do. Why do you ask at this time? New orders or suggestions? If so by who? Morning Joe 10 31 2022. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Oct 22 - 01:19 PM Do you have a source for that, Don? Or several sources? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 10:06 AM Until you have heard and seen the conspiracies and conspirators from inside the belly of the beast in the US you do not have a reliable concept of the dark danger. Extreme right wing murders now number 122. The left has one political murder. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 31 Oct 22 - 08:03 AM For generations, the credo of the CIA was "Perception IS Reality" Trump and the violent right have adopted and nurtured this mind-control credo for themselves. While there is new thinking in the CIA and past failures like missing the dissolution of the USSR have taught new lessons, old beliefs remain. Rupert, Donald, and Elon celebrate their ability to divide for their own purpose, to prosper by their message and pay less tax. I include Elon because of his wealth and his first tweet on his Twitter saying John Pelosi was in his underwear with his homosexual lover and was having a domestic quarrel. Despite deleting his tweet the echo chamber expanded the divisive lie. My whistle blower sacrifices on this Mudpuddle consist of conservative forces here sending the FBI to my house over claims of inciting violence and the efforts of Steve and cooperative mods to delete my message. When good people go silent for whatever reason, bad things happen to good countries. Bad things are happening and the wild pendulum of events is in free fall as denialism and what aboutism lies grow. Beware of right wing fanatics in sheep's clothing and wisdom from unearned sources. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Oct 22 - 05:09 AM Well I was a bit harsh there. I was thinking of the historical serial undermining by the CIA of left-wing regimes in times gone by, and admittedly that isn't going to happen under Biden. But Bolsonaro and Trump are bedfellows, and therein lies the danger if Trump returns. That danger threatens the whole planet, not only via the dismantling of democracy but also via destruction of the Amazon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Oct 22 - 11:45 PM Why would they undermine him? Trump might, and he's not the left. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Oct 22 - 09:04 PM Lula In his speech this evening: President-elect Lula invited international cooperation to preserve the Amazon rainforest and said he will seek fair global trade rather than trade deals that “condemn our country to be an eternal exporter of raw materials.” [Guardian] Let's hope that he can achieve these things. And America (I really don't want to be provocative here...): OK, he's a leftie. But he's a leftie who has done good things and who could do more good things. Please, CIA, do not undermine him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Oct 22 - 08:24 PM I heard about that election just now and had the same thought. Trump really has poisoned democracy around the world with his self-centered sociopathic behavior. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Oct 22 - 07:21 PM Slightly off-topic, but Lula has just beaten Bolsonaro by the slimmest of margins. It remains to be seen whether Bolsonaro will cry fraud and stolen election, Trump-style (they're bedfellows). Bolsonaro's son has already said as much, several days ago, in what might be called a preemptive strike... This is actually incredibly important for the whole planet. The next 24 hours are going to be interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 28 Oct 22 - 03:49 PM The perp is a 42 year old OG conspiracist https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/28/politics/paul-pelosi-attack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 28 Oct 22 - 01:35 PM Water for Steve's fire: I most often speculate on the direction of future science because the past believed its mistakes until new insights were discovered. Instead of attacking the messenger, you are allowed to ask questions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 28 Oct 22 - 01:08 PM For Steve: forgive my sticky comma key and fyi Nancy Pelosi Democrat is the speaker of the house and third in line for the Presidency of the United States. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Oct 22 - 01:07 PM Thanks for making my case. By the way, I'll have to think about whether science denialism is just as bad, though in a different way, as your science perversion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 28 Oct 22 - 12:55 PM Here comes more violence* again Last night an assassin broke into the San Francisco home of the Pelosi's yelling where's Nancy and in her absence violently attacked her husband with a hammer. He is hospitalized. *MLK, the Kennedy brothers, Lincoln, Jan. 6th etc. With 1 in three election workers quitting due to violent intimidation the template is struck to jeopardize elections with replacement thugs. For 25 years I have warned of the descent into pandemics and climate change and civil war that adjudicates with the gun, sword and hammer instead of laws. If you really think that all your problems are because of somebody else here is the good news, you can do something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 28 Oct 22 - 12:26 PM I agree with my curmudgeon and troll. Mask denialism, vaccine denialism, election denialism, science denialism, climate denialism even communication denialism are destroying rational reality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Oct 22 - 09:33 AM We can go a long way towards making our posts self-explanatory if we express ourselves in clear, simple English and try to avoid over-clever attempts at being as obscure as possible. Language is about the art of communication, and obscurantism and strange, meandering attempts at "poetry" merely serve to pervert that. Anyway... From the Guardian today: "Fears are growing that Jair Bolsonaro could refuse to accept defeat in Brazil’s crunch election this Sunday after his politician son claimed Brazil’s far-right president was the victim of “the greatest electoral fraud ever seen” amid unproven allegations of foul play. The assertion from the president’s senator son, Flávio Bolsonaro, was almost identical to language used by Donald Trump – Bolsonaro’s most prominent international backer – after he lost the 2020 US election to Joe Biden." Looks like another potential attack on democracy coming up. We all need to wake up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 28 Oct 22 - 08:39 AM We all assume that what we say is self-explanatory but it's not. We have to tell a better story about our nation, heritage, and principles than our divisive opponents. We have to saturate every media with a positive story than let the hateful own the internet and other media with lies. We have to fight fire with water. Lots of water. Facts are never enough, we have to instill deeply held feelings as we tell our story. The Democratic party is slowly catching on. The Republican playbook is basically 'divide and conquer'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 27 Oct 22 - 11:39 AM eh, thats just the coffee talkin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 27 Oct 22 - 10:54 AM I had a grand overview epiphany that the Republicans have had hundreds of ideas from their think tanks to dismantle the NEW DEAL. Any one or two of those ideas to turn back the clock would have worked, BUT in an embarrassment of riches, the Republicans will try all the hundreds of their kooky ideas to gain and keep power all at once. OVERKILL! We will no longer be a nation of E Pluribus Unum but instead a country of; Money Talks-drives-sails-flys, but we the people walk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Oct 22 - 11:14 AM Bob Woodward has a new audio book out, and it is again scaring the bejeezus out of people. In a taped conversation with Bob Woodward, Donald Trump boasted about US nuclear weapons development. Trump bragged about new US nuclear weapons, Woodward tape shows Maybe this is a strategic news release, intended to scare Putin into backing off in Ukraine? Not likely, but maybe something good can come from Trump's braggadocio stupidity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 26 Oct 22 - 08:53 AM I'm no advocate for Lindbergh but there are a number of sources that cite 50 combat missions he flew as a civilian against the Japanese. Now back to trump (barf). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: gillymor Date: 26 Oct 22 - 08:06 AM Lower case g please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 26 Oct 22 - 07:41 AM Declaring that Democrats will have done a great job if they hold their current Senate margin, but a terrible job with a net loss of one seat (or lose four House seats vs. five) would seem like over-interpretation. If America has Gillymors I will accept democracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: robomatic Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:41 PM Re: Lindbergh he qualified in his own time as an aviation hero and he could definitely write. He married well, his wife Anne Morrow was personality wise worth two of him, read her book as well as his. I've seen part of her recorded interviews and I believe she shared some of his racist views pre-War. I believe she may well have lived to learn about his unpublicized German family. Got to keep those good Northern European genes in the mix. During WW2 he was not allowed to serve in combat, but he consulted for the Army Air Force in developing guidelines for extending the range of military aircraft for long water overflights, something we can all agree he knew about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:06 PM Remember Hope Hicks? She is talking to the committee today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Donuel Date: 25 Oct 22 - 03:54 PM You have to be masculine to be immasculated but the immaculated are usually gay. I've known a UK chap to never be polite and others who are consistently polite. Since we're not talking Trump anymore but going ad hominem since a recent gillyswipe, I noticed an opal that has the fractal fantasy of the clouds of Jupiter as seen from its orbit. Most opals are like nature's original acrylic pour art where colors seep into cracks in ancient sediment. Highly magnified, opal art is fractally pleasing to the mind. This has been a week of opal photography. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Lighter Date: 25 Oct 22 - 12:35 PM The reason we didn't hear about Lindbergh's politics in school is that he was a minor historical personage who only figures in history books because he was first to fly the Atlantic alone and nonstop. The only reasons to mention him are that it was a big deal in 1927 and he represented American knowhow and daring. I don't think it's worth anyone's time to tell schoolkids, "But he later admired Hitler as a national leader." Even in a college course on the Depression, it's no more than disappointing (though possibly disillusioning) trivia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 11:57 AM I did correct my "poison chalice" yesterday. Trivial, eh? Your spelling always seems immaculate to me. I agree that we shouldn't make a Big Thing of this, but I think we should be very careful to get names right even if we think that the named person doesn't deserve our courtesy. But this isn't in the same league as the need to get rid of Trump, that's for sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Oct 22 - 11:49 AM You have to first know you misspelled it to correct it. Spelling and grammar are a form of manners, according to one of my favorite English professors. When we manage to get the meaning across the basic work of language has been accomplished. In most instances I try to use the correct spelling, but some words and names are so commonplace in one particular form that the common form is what is written, regardless of some idiosyncrasy of the actual spelling. You will recall your umbrage over Moseley/Mosely. Big deal (not), you knew who I was talking about. Going through therapy for dealing with dyslexia as a kid meant having spelling rules hammered into my head. The rules don't dictate how to spell the anomalous names. Let's move on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 11:36 AM I think it's polite to review your posts before sending. It's particularly polite to spell names correctly. |